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Shannon
05-28-2008, 11:11 PM
I just really, really wanted to say that.:D Y'all can discuss if you like.

jendf
05-29-2008, 12:05 AM
Now that's a bitchy thing to say! Oh, wait. I forgot who I was talking to. ;)

megimoo
05-29-2008, 12:31 AM
Now that's a bitchy thing to say! Oh, wait. I forgot who I was talking to. ;)
She hates yankees especially big, fat, crooked, liberal,socialistic,baby killing,scum sucking,pig faced,fagot loving,Harvard Yankees.There, I think I hit everything ?

du freeper
05-29-2008, 12:33 AM
She hates yankees especially big, fat, crooked, liberal,socialistic,baby killing,scum sucking,pig faced,fagot loving,Harvard Yankees.There, I think I hit everything ?

Man, she's intolerant!! :p

LibraryLady
05-29-2008, 12:43 AM
She hates yankees especially big, fat, crooked, liberal,socialistic,baby killing,scum sucking,pig faced,fagot loving,Harvard Yankees.There, I think I hit everything ?

He cheated on his Spanish final, too.:D

I keep expecting that nut-case TR to start screaming "Why do you hate all Liberals??"

Aklover
05-29-2008, 12:45 AM
I just really, really wanted to say that.:D Y'all can discuss if you like.



I'm sure his replacement will be every bit as detestable a scumbag. Probably another Kennedy come to think of it, which cousins are not in prison?

LibraryLady
05-29-2008, 12:52 AM
He said he wants his wife to replace him. Oh joy.

Aklover
05-29-2008, 12:55 AM
He said he wants his wife to replace him. Oh joy.


Well I guess she will be driving under the influence and crashing soon. Seems to run in the family.

Ron Paul
05-29-2008, 01:10 AM
I think you guys would probably condemn the liberals at DU if they said this kind of thing, basically an empty vulgar insult, at a leader of the GOP who came down with a terrible cancer.

You'd say that it was cold hearted, proof of some kind of mental deficiency, disrespectful to a spirit of patriotic civil debate in democracy, and just crude.

You would be right.

Kennedy has done a great job representing his point of view. He's been influential, and his constituents love him. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that a major duty of his was to represent the interests of his people to the best of his ability. That's what democracy is all about in America. Kennedy has shown passion for his causes that is to be praised. Republicans can only dream of having as long a running and successful a leader in the Senate for as long with as many results. Bob Dole would be an apt comparison.

Instead of respectfully explaining how his legislation and public views are wrong, you just call this man, who is just now entering his deathbed, dirty names.

Like chimps flinging waste.

This man has influences so many lives. Have you had a fed insured student loan? Minimum wage? Whether you like it or not, this man is American history. He's spent his life in public service. He has shaped your lives.

LibraryLady
05-29-2008, 01:18 AM
and Mary Jo Kopechne had no comment.


Oh, I prayed for his recovery - but that doesn't change my opinion of him.


The Kennedys leave a wake of dead and injured when they crash through life.

Aklover
05-29-2008, 01:19 AM
Hes a scumbag who routinely seeks to raise taxes, make more government dependents, ban guns, push amnesty bills that would mean millions more democrat voters(rewarded for breaking existing laws) and various other things. Other than net neutrality I cannot think of any view I hold that he shares.

Ron Paul
05-29-2008, 01:30 AM
and Mary Jo Kopechne had no comment.


Oh, I prayed for his recovery - but that doesn't change my opinion of him.


The Kennedys leave a wake of dead and injured when they crash through life.

I've always wondered: is there a difference between the paranoid rantings of a truther saying that Laura Bush got away with drunken driving murder, and the same kinda of knowledge-free rant about Kopechne?

I mean, if the first thing you have to say about this guy is that you think he got away with a murder you probably don't have any first-hand knowledge off, I start to wonder if you're a conspiracy theorist.

No jury found him guilty of anything. And the evidence points to a likely accident. Yet so many weirdos are convinced Ted murdered this girl. Why? The answer is clear: because he's a powerful democrat. Now that he's dying of a horrible cancer, people feel free to call him a piece of shit, and cite this "crime" they are certain was committed. It's paranoid fantasy of the first order. It's political bigotry of the first order.

I'm reminded of Rosie talking about how no steel building ever melted or whatever idiotic thing she said about 9/11. It's amazing how kooks always find these crimes on the other side of the aisle, isn't it?

Ted is like you or me. He doesn't want to be evil. He has opinions, you have opinions, I have opinions. Al different. Ted believes in high taxation, gun control, no war in Iraq. He doesn't believe that because he hates you or this nation. He thinks these policies are good and wants to help. You guys disagree with him, but that's no reason to hate him. And indeed, calling him a vile piece of shit as he painfully loses his life is a particularly strong breed of hatred, no matter what the man has done.

Ron Paul
05-29-2008, 01:32 AM
Hes a scumbag who routinely seeks to raise taxes, make more government dependents, ban guns, push amnesty bills that would mean millions more democrat voters(rewarded for breaking existing laws) and various other things. Other than net neutrality I cannot think of any view I hold that he shares.

OK, you and he share few opinions. That's enough to make him scum? He's a human being, he's losing his life in an awful way, and the only kind word you can spare is that at least you agree with him on ISP regulations?

Aklover
05-29-2008, 01:36 AM
So the effect of their idiotic and provably failed and failing policies should have no bearing on our opinions because he had the best of intentions?

Aklover
05-29-2008, 01:39 AM
OK, you and he share few opinions. That's enough to make him scum? He's a human being, he's losing his life in an awful way, and the only kind word you can spare is that at least you agree with him on ISP regulations?


Not a big censorship fan.

Ron Paul
05-29-2008, 01:47 AM
Not a big censorship fan.

Me neither. I happen to disagree with Ted on many things, and agree with him and you insofar as I think the internet should be the same for all adult users.

I'm just saying... it's wasn't good when DU laughed about pissing on Reagan's grave, and it's not good when CU takes this opportunity to call Ted something senseless.

If Bush were diagnosed with Ted's illness, I would hope to see people be a bit more courteous towards him. I know that's a hopeless wish, and DU would throw a party about how the true villian of 9/11, that bastard President, was getting his due. It would be disgusting.

That's just my reaction to people bringing up Ted just to be vulgar. Let's rise above our policy disagreements, and respect each other's basic humanity. Even if it's just to the point where we don't get called a piece of shit as we breath our last.

Aklover
05-29-2008, 02:04 AM
Me neither. I happen to disagree with Ted on many things, and agree with him and you insofar as I think the internet should be the same for all adult users.

I'm just saying... it's wasn't good when DU laughed about pissing on Reagan's grave, and it's not good when CU takes this opportunity to call Ted something senseless.

If Bush were diagnosed with Ted's illness, I would hope to see people be a bit more courteous towards him. I know that's a hopeless wish, and DU would throw a party about how the true villian of 9/11, that bastard President, was getting his due. It would be disgusting.

That's just my reaction to people bringing up Ted just to be vulgar. Let's rise above our policy disagreements, and respect each other's basic humanity. Even if it's just to the point where we don't get called a piece of shit as we breath our last.



Teds policies and actions effect millions many of whom did not vote for him. If it were me voting in the Senate i'd consider my duty to make as light a footprint as possible in the lives of the people. Ted's line of thinking like those in his party, lets the use the weight of government to extort those who do not vote for us and give it to those who do so we can have a lock on power.

Tragicly most Americans are too stupid to see that it is that simple.

When I breathe my last I'm sure I will be able to say I was not a parasite on others.

du freeper
05-29-2008, 05:30 AM
He's spent his life in public service.

He spent his life sucking at the taxpayers teat trying to spread socialism.

aka:PBS
05-29-2008, 06:41 AM
Shannon, is gone I heard
She's drifting out to sea
She always loved to swim away
Maybe she'll find an island with a shaded tree
Just like the one in our backyard

3rd-try
05-29-2008, 07:16 AM
I think you guys would probably condemn the liberals at DU if they said this kind of thing, basically an empty vulgar insult, at a leader of the GOP who came down with a terrible cancer.

You'd say that it was cold hearted, proof of some kind of mental deficiency, disrespectful to a spirit of patriotic civil debate in democracy, and just crude.

You would be right.

Kennedy has done a great job representing his point of view. He's been influential, and his constituents love him. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that a major duty of his was to represent the interests of his people to the best of his ability. That's what democracy is all about in America. Kennedy has shown passion for his causes that is to be praised. Republicans can only dream of having as long a running and successful a leader in the Senate for as long with as many results. Bob Dole would be an apt comparison.

Instead of respectfully explaining how his legislation and public views are wrong, you just call this man, who is just now entering his deathbed, dirty names.

Like chimps flinging waste.

This man has influences so many lives. Have you had a fed insured student loan? Minimum wage? Whether you like it or not, this man is American history. He's spent his life in public service. He has shaped your lives.


Sir, It's a frequent word-for-word parody of DU about any sick or dying conservative.

Shannon, ease up to speed. Some are lagging at the moment.

gator
05-29-2008, 08:10 AM
I just really, really wanted to say that.:D Y'all can discuss if you like.

You got that right, Babe.

He is one of the most despicable figures in American politics. The friggin asshole has done more damage to this country with his commie agenda than almost anybody else. He is squarely in the back pocket of some very filthy special interest groups.

The headaches he gets from his affliction will be scant payback for the pain he has caused many Americans. Because of that asshole I have had to pay more taxes in my lifetime and have been denied some of my Constitutional rights to keep and bear arms. I for one hope the sonofabitch rots in Hell, as he surely will for the chickenshit actions on the bridge.

Sonnabend
05-29-2008, 08:15 AM
He has shaped your lives.

He certainly changed...er..ended..Mary Jo Kopechne's

FDK
05-29-2008, 09:08 AM
I've always wondered: is there a difference between the paranoid rantings of a truther saying that Laura Bush got away with drunken driving murder, and the same kinda of knowledge-free rant about Kopechne?

I mean, if the first thing you have to say about this guy is that you think he got away with a murder you probably don't have any first-hand knowledge off, I start to wonder if you're a conspiracy theorist.

No jury found him guilty of anything. And the evidence points to a likely accident. Yet so many weirdos are convinced Ted murdered this girl. Why? The answer is clear: because he's a powerful democrat. Now that he's dying of a horrible cancer, people feel free to call him a piece of shit, and cite this "crime" they are certain was committed. It's paranoid fantasy of the first order. It's political bigotry of the first order.

I'm reminded of Rosie talking about how no steel building ever melted or whatever idiotic thing she said about 9/11. It's amazing how kooks always find these crimes on the other side of the aisle, isn't it?

Ted is like you or me. He doesn't want to be evil. He has opinions, you have opinions, I have opinions. Al different. Ted believes in high taxation, gun control, no war in Iraq. He doesn't believe that because he hates you or this nation. He thinks these policies are good and wants to help. You guys disagree with him, but that's no reason to hate him. And indeed, calling him a vile piece of shit as he painfully loses his life is a particularly strong breed of hatred, no matter what the man has done.

Use of the term murderer does not necessarily imply intent nor does it imply premeditation. For example, many would call someone who killed someone else while drunk driving (like Ted did) a murderer even though we all know that drunk drivers don't kill people with intent. Therefore, your comparison of those who call Ted a murderer to truthers simply does not hold water.

It's pretty obvious that Vast Teddy let her die while seeking to cover his own ass. And chances are, had he been an ordinary citizen, not a Kennedy, that he would've faced charges and been convicted.

Space Gravy
05-29-2008, 10:34 AM
In Pittsburgh, the late Myron Cope was universally beloved as a sports commentator. Over the past several years, Mark Madden has become Cope’s heir from a profile standpoint. The difference, however, is that to the extent Madden was going for a Cosellian love-hate shtick, more people seemed to hate Madden than love him. (If Madden’s goal was to be loved, picking a fight with a beloved local figure like Steelers receiver Hines Ward didn’t help.)

Folks in the ‘Burgh have the opportunity to neither hate nor love Madden, at least for now.

Madden has been permanently removed from his ESPN Radio show in Pittsburgh, due to inflammatory (and unfunny) remarks he made last week about Senator Ted Kennedy. Said Madden: “I’m very disappointed to hear Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts is near death because of a brain tumor. I always hoped Senator Kennedy would live long enough to be assassinated.”

“We’ve taken Mark off the air pursuant to our contractual rights,” said ESPN spokesman Josh Krulewitz.

Madden most likely will resurface with a lower-profile radio station in Pittsburgh that is angling for ratings points and all the good things that go along with hanging a “for sale by owner” sign on one’s soul.



Never heard this guy before but he sure stirred pot by saying this.

Link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/28/demise-of-the-anti-cope/)

LogansPapa
05-29-2008, 10:53 AM
Some of you do realize it’s cowardly to kick someone when they’re down, right?:cool:

gator
05-29-2008, 11:13 AM
Some of you do realize it’s cowardly to kick someone when they’re down, right?:cool:

Do you know how cowardly it was for the sonofabitch to run away from the drowing girl just because he didn't want to explain what the hell he was doing there?

I have been kicking the sorry asshole for a long time and I am not going to let up now. He is such a vile person that he doesn't deserve to be given a break just because he is sick. He and others will be using his aliment to further the Left Wing agenda one way or another so piss on him.

megimoo
05-29-2008, 11:19 AM
He said he wants his wife to replace him. Oh joy.

She's from your neck of the woods originally.Her daddy was about to go to jail and Kennedy saved him.I always thought she was his reward !

"Judge Edmund M. Reggie, Former Tulane Board Member
Milestones in Politics

Winfield, Louisiana is the hometown of former Louisiana governors Huey and Earl Long and the site of the Louisiana Political Museum and Hall of Fame, where on January 31, 2004 Edmund M. Reggie was inducted alongside other notables that include the former governor of Louisiana, Edwin W. Edwards [1]. The museum honors "sinners and saints alike" and recognizes individuals on the basis of their political impact. Reggie, an attorney, judge, businessman, banker, real estate investor, civic leader, and convicted felon was also an important political operative [2].
IPSO FACTO:
Among the considerations that may have influenced Reggie's relatively light sentence were his close ties to prominent political figures that included Louisiana Governors Earl K. Long, Jimmie Davis, and Edwin W. Edwards, President and Mrs. John Kennedy, President and Mrs. Bill Clinton, and Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy [7]. In 1992, Senator Kennedy and Reggie's daughter, Victoria, a Washington, DC attorney specializing in banking law, were married on the 3rd of July at Kennedy's home in McLean, Virginia, both for the second time [28,29].http://www.tulanelink.com/tulanelink/reggie_box.htm

LogansPapa
05-29-2008, 11:24 AM
He and others will be using his aliment to further the Left Wing agenda one way or another so piss on him.

So you’re saying that it wouldn’t be more honorable, more human, to let the man pass in peace. Better to hound him into the grave - just because you can? Sorry, I find that rather low.

megimoo
05-29-2008, 11:27 AM
I've always wondered: is there a difference between the paranoid rantings of a truther saying that Laura Bush got away with drunken driving murder, and the same kinda of knowledge-free rant about Kopechne?

I mean, if the first thing you have to say about this guy is that you think he got away with a murder you probably don't have any first-hand knowledge off, I start to wonder if you're a conspiracy theorist.

No jury found him guilty of anything. And the evidence points to a likely accident. Yet so many weirdos are convinced Ted murdered this girl. Why? The answer is clear: because he's a powerful democrat. Now that he's dying of a horrible cancer, people feel free to call him a piece of shit, and cite this "crime" they are certain was committed. It's paranoid fantasy of the first order. It's political bigotry of the first order.

I'm reminded of Rosie talking about how no steel building ever melted or whatever idiotic thing she said about 9/11. It's amazing how kooks always find these crimes on the other side of the aisle, isn't it?

Ted is like you or me. He doesn't want to be evil. He has opinions, you have opinions, I have opinions. Al different. Ted believes in high taxation, gun control, no war in Iraq. He doesn't believe that because he hates you or this nation. He thinks these policies are good and wants to help. You guys disagree with him, but that's no reason to hate him. And indeed, calling him a vile piece of shit as he painfully loses his life is a particularly strong breed of hatred, no matter what the man has done.

Speaking of ranting
I can see you are going to enjoy it here .Most here are very conservative and you will be challanged with great gusto !

Shannon
05-29-2008, 11:31 AM
So you’re saying that it wouldn’t be more honorable, more human, to let the man pass in peace. Better to hound him into the grave - just because you can? Sorry, I find that rather low.

Damn. You found us.

Full-Auto
05-29-2008, 11:33 AM
I just really, really wanted to say that.:D Y'all can discuss if you like.

All politics aside, I wish him and his family the best. I wouldn't wish his illness on anyone.

BSR
05-29-2008, 11:54 AM
I got kicked around by people on NU for making a "liberalism is a mental disease" joke at Teddy's expense. Wont be returning there anytime soon.

Rebel Yell
05-29-2008, 11:54 AM
I don't wish cancer on anyone. I am truly sorry for Ted and his family, but that doesn't change the way I feel about Ted Kennedy. The way I feel about a pefson who is alive and in good health is the same way I'll feel about that person once they die or become ill. I'll pray for them and their family, but that's as far as it'll go.

I see this all the time on a local level. A person will die in a tragic accident, and all of a sudden everyone was their friend. If I don't like you when you're alive, I'm not gonna pretend to like you when you die. Ron Paul, that is not being a hypocrit.

LogansPapa
05-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Damn. You found us.

:D Yes, Ms. Stone - I did.

LibraryLady
05-29-2008, 12:11 PM
I got kicked around by people on NU for making a "liberalism is a mental disease" joke at Teddy's expense. Wont be returning there anytime soon.


J.T.?

NU seems happy to have CUers leave. SDJ put up a snide remark

BSR
05-29-2008, 12:20 PM
J.T.?

NU seems happy to have CUers leave. SDJ put up a snide remark

yeah, that was me.

They hunt the new people like a pack of wolves.

gator
05-29-2008, 12:32 PM
So you’re saying that it wouldn’t be more honorable, more human, to let the man pass in peace. Better to hound him into the grave - just because you can? Sorry, I find that rather low.

The sonofabitch supports the killing of American children on demand. Anybody that justifies the killing of children does not deserve any peace.

Rebel Yell
05-29-2008, 12:36 PM
The sonofabitch supports the killing of American children on demand. Anybody that justifies the killing of children does not deserve any peace. You and him can both kiss my redneck ass.


fixed. Now CU is back online.:D

GreatDanish
05-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Teddie's fate at the pearly gates is one I am glad I don't have to defend. I hope he is spending this time well and wisely, in prayer.

Has he stayed in power because he craves power? Or is he truly a person deeply committed to serving the public? Or a bit of both. I have no idea. I do think his family believes they all ***t ice cream. There was a Kennedy entitlement back there that was untouchable. The Kennedy "curse" was just natural law catching up with folks who thought they would never die. But they die just like the rest of us do. And they will each have to answer for their lives, just as (I personally believe) we all will have to.

Odysseus
05-29-2008, 12:53 PM
So you’re saying that it wouldn’t be more honorable, more human, to let the man pass in peace. Better to hound him into the grave - just because you can? Sorry, I find that rather low.

God help us when LogansPapa is the voice of reason (although if Teddy were Jewish, I suspect that LP would be singing a different tune).

I detest Teddy Kennedy as a politician and, based on everything that I've read about him personally, as a man, but I don't want to descend to the level of the DUmp by being unable to feel compassion for a political adversary when he is laid low. I won't be mourning his passing, but I'm not going to dance on his grave, either. His next few months will be extremely ugly for him and his family. Let's demonstrate the decency that the DUmmies are incapable of and at least wish them the best in a bad situation.

Shannon
05-29-2008, 12:58 PM
My disgust with Teddy is about Mary Jo not his politics. I don't care when somebody that I consider a murderer dies or finds out they are dying. If he were just a liberal politician I would have sympathy for him.

Eyelids
05-29-2008, 03:37 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.

stickyboot
05-29-2008, 03:47 PM
and Mary Jo Kopechne had no comment.


Mary Jo will continue to have no comment. As will I, until Kennedy passes and the liberals start lionizing him beyond all reason.

everyman68
05-29-2008, 03:49 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.

That's just mean as are the remarks about Ted Kennedy...

Phillygirl
05-29-2008, 03:54 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.

Really? What was so vile about him?

BSR
05-29-2008, 03:55 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.

Last time I checked, Charleton Heston didn't murder a woman like Teddy. But to each there own I guess.

Rebel Yell
05-29-2008, 04:07 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.

If that's the way you felt when he was alive, I have no problem with you feeling that way. It's all about consistency, but don't get upset when I say Teddy is a piece of shit. I don't wish cancer on anyone, but I don't dislike him any les because he has it.

daddy2three
05-29-2008, 04:23 PM
and Mary Jo Kopechne had no comment.


Oh, I prayed for his recovery - but that doesn't change my opinion of him.


The Kennedys leave a wake of dead and injured when they crash through life.

very well said

Eyelids
05-29-2008, 04:37 PM
Of course I dont mean that about Heston, but thats exactly what you guys sound like when you say these things about Ted.

megimoo
05-29-2008, 05:17 PM
Charleton Heston is a vile POS who deserved to die.Hey Eyeball don't speak Ill of your dead betters !You must be another of those twelve year old school girls who skipped and are playing with daddys computer !

Jumpy
05-29-2008, 05:44 PM
My disgust with Teddy is about Mary Jo not his politics. I don't care when somebody that I consider a murderer dies or finds out they are dying. If he were just a liberal politician I would have sympathy for him. Same here. He might be a nice guy now, but he has never owned up to being responsible for that woman's death. At the most, his actions that night were murder. At the least, involuntary manslaughter. And with the help of his powerful family, he comes out smelling like a rose. Never could figure that one out.

Same with his cheating in college.. the times he was caught. His anger issues on sports teams. Cheating on his wife.. etc etc.

Frankly, the way he has lived his life, it is surprising that he has lived as long as he has. We should all be so lucky to be powerful, filthy rich.. have houses filled with riches.. vacation at the best spots in the world.. etc.

Everybody has to die sometime, and he is fortunate to have the time to put his things in order, and say his goodbyes while he is well into his 70's. I doubt many of us will be so lucky. I lost a dear friend to cancer at age 58. It would've been so wonderful to have her around for nearly another 20 years, as is the case with Ted Kennedy.

My sympathies are for his family and those who love him.

Bubba Dawg
05-29-2008, 08:40 PM
I tried to say something like that in...another place..and was chastized. Thanks Shannon for keepin it real.

megimoo
05-30-2008, 12:12 AM
I think you guys would probably condemn the liberals at DU if they said this kind of thing, basically an empty vulgar insult, at a leader of the GOP who came down with a terrible cancer.

You'd say that it was cold hearted, proof of some kind of mental deficiency, disrespectful to a spirit of patriotic civil debate in democracy, and just crude.

You would be right.

Kennedy has done a great job representing his point of view. He's been influential, and his constituents love him. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that a major duty of his was to represent the interests of his people to the best of his ability. That's what democracy is all about in America. Kennedy has shown passion for his causes that is to be praised. Republicans can only dream of having as long a running and successful a leader in the Senate for as long with as many results. Bob Dole would be an apt comparison.

Instead of respectfully explaining how his legislation and public views are wrong, you just call this man, who is just now entering his deathbed, dirty names.

Like chimps flinging waste.

This man has influences so many lives. Have you had a fed insured student loan? Minimum wage? Whether you like it or not, this man is American history. He's spent his life in public service. He has shaped your lives.


"Kennedy has done a great job representing his point of view. He's been influential, and his constituents love him. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that a major duty of his was to represent the interests of his people to the best of his ability. That's what democracy is all about in America. Kennedy has shown passion for his causes that is to be praised. Republicans can only dream of having as long a running and successful a leader in the Senate for as long with as many results. Bob Dole would be an apt comparison."...Your words!!

You are possibly correct but he was elected to represent the people who elected him originally's point of view.He has passed through a major political evolution from how the true democrats of his brother Jacks day behaved .

He has evolved over the years into an odd mixture of the new Liberalism going much beyond the Viet Nam era hippy style liberalism.

He has gone beyound just Socialism/Abortion rights champion,(A so called Catholic)/anti-American(advising the Russians on how to undermine Regan,the American President,during a time of possible war, aka Treason)/Further aiding the Chinese Army, with Clintons help, in fixing their missile launching problems .

As a reward for that help they,The Chinese Military, had a Hong Cong invester pay him six million dollars, twice the asking price for his Washington D.C. Home.can you say payoff for treason ?

The Democrats of old from Roosevelt ,Trueman and a few others wouldn't spit on the best part of the Democrat party of today.Harry and FDR were more like todays real conservatives and todays Democrats are more like the old Soviet style Joseph Stalin Communists/Maoist's .

As for representing those who elected him (and his constituents love him.) I don't think so.

John McCain
05-30-2008, 02:08 AM
"Kennedy has done a great job representing his point of view. He's been influential, and his constituents love him. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that a major duty of his was to represent the interests of his people to the best of his ability. That's what democracy is all about in America. Kennedy has shown passion for his causes that is to be praised. Republicans can only dream of having as long a running and successful a leader in the Senate for as long with as many results. Bob Dole would be an apt comparison."...Your words!!

You are possibly correct but he was elected to represent the people who elected him originally's point of view.He has passed through a major political evolution from how the true democrats of his brother Jacks day behaved .

He has evolved over the years into an odd mixture of the new Liberalism going much beyond the Viet Nam era hippy style liberalism.

He has gone beyound just Socialism/Abortion rights champion,(A so called Catholic)/anti-American(advising the Russians on how to undermine Regan,the American President,during a time of possible war, aka Treason)/Further aiding the Chinese Army, with Clintons help, in fixing their missile launching problems .

As a reward for that help they,The Chinese Military, had a Hong Cong invester pay him six million dollars, twice the asking price for his Washington D.C. Home.can you say payoff for treason ?

The Democrats of old from Roosevelt ,Trueman and a few others wouldn't spit on the best part of the Democrat party of today.Harry and FDR were more like todays real conservatives and todays Democrats are more like the old Soviet style Joseph Stalin Communists/Maoist's .

As for representing those who elected him (and his constituents love him.) I don't think so.

oh yea, Franklin(who called himself a "Democratic socialist") Delano Roosevelt was a real conservative.

megimoo
05-30-2008, 11:15 AM
oh yea, Franklin(who called himself a "Democratic socialist") Delano Roosevelt was a real conservative.
I feel a draft,the winds of liberalism are seeping in,you must be another of those little kids who skipped school today with woodsy the night owl .

Re_read the op Brutus ,The operative phrase is 'compared to',find it ?

America was just recovering from the worst depression/recession we had ever experienced and people in droves were out of work and angry .Roosereldt was pushing a hostile congress to pass some measures,any measure that would help and re_start the economy.He needed to be creative to make us more optimistic and so he started many programs just to give people a paycheck and enable them to put some food on their tables.

Things like the WPA,"Until closed down by Congress and the war boom in 1943, the various programs of the WPA added up to the largest employment base in the country — indeed, the largest cluster of government employment opportunities in most states. Anyone who needed a job could become eligible for most of its jobs."

You know you liberal critters should read a little American history .
It isn't hard.Just put down your copy of Liberal talking points from the DNC
and actually read about America and find out what we are all about .

John McCain
05-30-2008, 01:02 PM
I feel a draft,the winds of liberalism are seeping in,you must be another of those little kids who skipped school today with woodsy the night owl .

Re_read the op Brutus ,The operative phrase is 'compared to',find it ?

America was just recovering from the worst depression/recession we had ever experienced and people in droves were out of work and angry .Roosereldt was pushing a hostile congress to pass some measures,any measure that would help and re_start the economy.He needed to be creative to make us more optimistic and so he started many programs just to give people a paycheck and enable them to put some food on their tables.

Things like the WPA,"Until closed down by Congress and the war boom in 1943, the various programs of the WPA added up to the largest employment base in the country — indeed, the largest cluster of government employment opportunities in most states. Anyone who needed a job could become eligible for most of its jobs."

You know you liberal critters should read a little American history .
It isn't hard.Just put down your copy of Liberal talking points from the DNC
and actually read about America and find out what we are all about .

LOL your the one defending FDR's socialism and you call me a liberal? LOLOL

right, FDR didn't care as long as he did what he wanted. He wanted to pack the court with younger, more liberal justices so he could pass his socialist agenda. Its just very funny to see you defending a guy that "started many programs just to give people a paycheck." I thought "conservatives" like you were against social programs like that.

megimoo
05-30-2008, 01:28 PM
LOL your the one defending FDR's socialism and you call me a liberal? LOLOL

right, FDR didn't care as long as he did what he wanted. He wanted to pack the court with younger, more liberal justices so he could pass his socialist agenda. Its just very funny to see you defending a guy that "started many programs just to give people a paycheck." I thought "conservatives" like you were against social programs like that. Do you Read much history kid.All things change but history is telling .Todays socialist was yesterdays Joseph Stalin style Communist .And after you have grown some and learn how to read history it may suddenly 'lite 'on you !

John McCain
05-30-2008, 02:05 PM
Do you Read much history kid.All things change but history is telling .Todays socialist was yesterdays Joseph Stalin style Communist .And after you have grown some and learn how to read history it may suddenly 'lite 'on you !


continue to defend socialists. Your hypocrisy is telling. FDR=more government involvment in the people's affairs, more handouts to people, regulation of banks, etc.=socialism.

His policies made the actual economic situation worse. Only WW2 got us out of it. Maybe you should read your history instead of just blindly worshiping the "savior" FDR.

megimoo
05-30-2008, 02:32 PM
continue to defend socialists. Your hypocrisy is telling. FDR=more government involvment in the people's affairs, more handouts to people, regulation of banks, etc.=socialism.

His policies made the actual economic situation worse. Only WW2 got us out of it. Maybe you should read your history instead of just blindly worshiping the "savior" FDR.
No 'worship' of FDR was implied but he was the right man for the times,most government types of the time refused to help the common man in his quest for survival during the depression and if you chose to call putting a man to work socialism have at it .

If your grandparents/great grandparents are alive ask them about the times just before WW2 and what they had to do to survive.Socialists of today are just interested in expanding their power base through more government spending and bringing America to its knees.

Kennedy was the topic of the original post and no finer example of government control through federal giveaways exists in America today.Everything from the infamous Boston' big dig' to expanding the Democratic voter base through amnesty for those who infiltrated America en mass to the expansion of 'hate crimes'to protect some of his biggest doners.

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 03:01 PM
Kennedy was the topic of the original post and no finer example of government control through federal giveaways exists in America today.Everything from the infamous Boston' big dig' to expanding the Democratic voter base through amnesty for those who infiltrated America en mass to the expansion of 'hate crimes'to protect some of his biggest doners.

That nails it. LBJ would be jealous of Teddy. But still no reason to kick him when he's down.:cool:

John McCain
05-30-2008, 04:39 PM
No 'worship' of FDR was implied but he was the right man for the times,most government types of the time refused to help the common man in his quest for survival during the depression and if you chose to call putting a man to work socialism have at it .

If your grandparents/great grandparents are alive ask them about the times just before WW2 and what they had to do to survive.Socialists of today are just interested in expanding their power base through more government spending and bringing America to its knees.

Kennedy was the topic of the original post and no finer example of government control through federal giveaways exists in America today.Everything from the infamous Boston' big dig' to expanding the Democratic voter base through amnesty for those who infiltrated America en mass to the expansion of 'hate crimes'to protect some of his biggest doners.


My grandfather worked for Dupont from 1934 to 1980. My other grandfather had his own farm and was a carpenter on the side. Neither of them ever got any kind of new deal handout. The depression, contrary to popular belief, didn't cause everyone to get in the bread line.

Shannon
05-30-2008, 07:12 PM
That nails it. LBJ would be jealous of Teddy. But still no reason to kick him when he's down.:cool:

You are right. I suppose I should change my ways and wish all murderers well.

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 07:14 PM
You are right. I suppose I should change my ways and wish all murderers well.

He may have been a coward - but I don’t think he was convicted of anything. But that’s just the law.

Phillygirl
05-30-2008, 07:15 PM
He may have been a coward - but I don’t think he was convicted of anything. But that’s just politics.
Fixed... .

LogansPapa
05-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Fixed... .

:D Yes, well - there is that.;)

Verbosus
05-30-2008, 07:57 PM
She hates yankees especially big, fat, crooked, liberal,socialistic,baby killing,scum sucking,pig faced,fagot loving,Harvard Yankees.There, I think I hit everything ?
You did leave out 'cheating'.
Remember he was kicked out of Harvard for cheating, and until Papa Joe Kennedy donated a ton of
money they always had a life long rule of never being able to return.
Papa Joe's money made them change that rule to a one-year expulsion.

Besides that I think you pretty much described the POS in question.

Sadie5
05-30-2008, 09:58 PM
will soon be going to visit Mary Jo Kopechne and I hope she is kinder to old Teddy than that drunken douchbage Ted was to her.He won't need to hone his swimming skills but his firefighting skills.:rolleyes:

Shannon
05-30-2008, 09:59 PM
will soon be going to visit Mary Jo Kopechne and I hope she is kinder to old Teddy than that drunken douchbage Ted was to her.He won't need to hone his swimming skills but his firefighting skills.:rolleyes:


I'm in love!:p

Odysseus
06-01-2008, 12:49 AM
He may have been a coward - but I don’t think he was convicted of anything. But that’s just the law.
Not entirely correct. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after causing injury. He was sentenced two months in jail, suspended. He also lost his license for one year. This constituted the mildest possible slap on the wrist by a state government that was all but a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Kennedy family.

As for the rest of Teddy's character, I recommend The Senator (http://www.amazon.com/Senator-Ten-Years-Ted-Kennedy/dp/0312304668/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212295424&sr=8-1), which was written by his former chief of staff. It's a memoir of ten years spent working for Kennedy and chronicles some truly repulsive conduct.

BTW, OJ wasn't convicted of anything. In the eyes of the law, he's not a murderer. In the eyes of anyone whose optic nerves are connected to their brains, he is. Poor prosecution doesn't free the rest of us from having to make moral judgements.

megimoo
06-01-2008, 12:53 AM
You did leave out 'cheating'.
Remember he was kicked out of Harvard for cheating, and until Papa Joe Kennedy donated a ton of
money they always had a life long rule of never being able to return.
Papa Joe's money made them change that rule to a one-year expulsion.

Besides that I think you pretty much described the POS in question.I could have kept on but I was late for dinner !

LogansPapa
06-01-2008, 12:56 AM
As for the rest of Teddy's character, I recommend The Senator (http://www.amazon.com/Senator-Ten-Years-Ted-Kennedy/dp/0312304668/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212295424&sr=8-1), which was written by his former chief of staff. It's a memoir of ten years spent working for Kennedy and chronicles some truly repulsive conduct.

Why would that book have any more validity than Scotts?:confused:

megimoo
06-01-2008, 01:05 AM
Not entirely correct. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after causing injury. He was sentenced two months in jail, suspended. He also lost his license for one year. This constituted the mildest possible slap on the wrist by a state government that was all but a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Kennedy family.

As for the rest of Teddy's character, I recommend The Senator (http://www.amazon.com/Senator-Ten-Years-Ted-Kennedy/dp/0312304668/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212295424&sr=8-1), which was written by his former chief of staff. It's a memoir of ten years spent working for Kennedy and chronicles some truly repulsive conduct.

BTW, OJ wasn't convicted of anything. In the eyes of the law, he's not a murderer. In the eyes of anyone whose optic nerves are connected to their brains, he is. Poor prosecution doesn't free the rest of us from having to make moral judgements.Perhaps You forgot that at the time of the accident Kennedys mass. licence to drive had been expired for several months .

Driving with an expired license is a crime in most states especially where a death has occured.The Massachusetts Registrar of motor Vehicles personally typed one in his office and hand delivered it to Kennedy thus aiding and abetting a felon !

megimoo
06-01-2008, 01:08 AM
I'm in love!:pYou can't be she's a girl !

Odysseus
06-02-2008, 04:15 PM
Why would that book have any more validity than Scotts?:confused:

Read the book and make up your own mind.

megimoo
06-02-2008, 04:44 PM
Read the book and make up your own mind.

The kid who wrote it was an unpaid college summer staffer in Kennedys Washington group who came back the next year to work for them again.

The first year they put him in the mail room opening and reading any letters to Kennedy that were from the 'little people'. He describes some of the mail as death threats and was instructed to forward those to a special bag they sent to the FBI .They would receive packages with dead rats and other little stinkey bodies that Kennedys 'fans' would send him .

The second year he was better known to the staff so they used him as a gopher and one night he had to drive Kennedy to National Airport at the last minute.

Kennedy was always late for the suttle to Boston and the kid was instructed to drive through red lights and over sidewalks to make the flight.The DC cops knew Kennedys car and never stopped it.

The following year he became Kennedys Jack of all trades and driver.He describes in the book Kennedys drinking and meetings where he was to make sure Joan Kennedy never left her bedroom while Kennedy entertained political critters at the house.She was at that time far gone into alcholism and drank at all hours and was a constand source of embarrasment to the family when they had guests .

The kid describes a party with a private dancer amoung a number of Kennedys political DC hacks and
where they were all over the dancer when they were all drunk, Kennedy and the dancer 'got it on' in the next room while his wife was right next door.When the kid published the book Kennedys agents threatened legal action and even tried to buy the kid off.

LogansPapa
06-02-2008, 04:48 PM
"The Senator, which was written by his former chief of staff. "

megimoo
06-02-2008, 06:17 PM
"The Senator, which was written by his former chief of staff. "

Sure doesn't sound like his chief of staff to me.More like his butler .

Plot Summary of The Senator: My Ten Years With Ted Kennedy

" In the 1970s, an idealistic Georgetown student named Richard Burke went to work for his political hero, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts. Richard Burke shared Senator Kennedy's dream of a better America, but together the two men would have a falling out, a young man led into the fast lane by a hero who was crumbling before his very eyes. Richard Burke came to know Ted Kennedy better than anyone outside the Kennedy clan itself. He was a witness to all of the private excess which the media could only guess at.

Ted Kennedy is a complicated, and often contradictory man. A family man who saw his son through the ordeal of cancer, and then snorted cocaine with his three kids, at least according to Richard Burke. Also, Ted Kennedy's numerous affairs supposedly include the seduction of a 17-year-old intern.

Ted Kennedy was also one of the most respected members of congress, but he used his Washington office as a drop-off for his personal drug supply. Richard Burke saw it all, he was a willing participant in Ted Kennedy's adventures, he openly admits his own participation. Burke loved life in fast lane, the women, the drugs, and the special privileges, but he managed to escape before burning out completely."
Nathaniel Ford, Resident Scholar

Odysseus
06-02-2008, 07:22 PM
Sure doesn't sound like his chief of staff to me.More like his butler .

He was a lot more than that. The NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3DD1F3BF932A35753C1A9649582 60)refered to Burke as a "top aide to Mr. Kennedy." It's been several years since I read the book, and I remember that he had managerial responsibilities. I'll pull it off of the shelf tonight and confirm his title.

LogansPapa
06-02-2008, 07:31 PM
So, ‘The Ol’ Grey Lady’ isn’t worth a damn as a source the other 364 days a year, but when this story runs it’s gold? Interesting.

megimoo
06-02-2008, 07:48 PM
So, ‘The Ol’ Grey Lady’ isn’t worth a damn as a source the other 364 days a year, but when this story runs it’s gold? Interesting. You are very much like the Apostle Thomas .Unless I put my finger into his side I will not believe !

If the author were to testify face to face with you and show pictures of Kennedy in action even then you would call them forgerys !A liberal to the bitter end of the rope !

LogansPapa
06-02-2008, 09:36 PM
You are very much like the Apostle Thomas .Unless I put my finger into his side I will not believe !

If the author were to testify face to face with you and show pictures of Kennedy in action even then you would call them forgerys !A liberal to the bitter end of the rope !


;)Very good - but not my point. I believe I was addressing why Scott's claims were rejected, out-of-hand, instantly?

megimoo
06-02-2008, 10:38 PM
;)Very good - but not my point. I believe I was addressing why Scott's claims were rejected, out-of-hand, instantly?You are out of touch.Scott didn't write the book his publisher did and he is an all time liberal operator funded by George Soros .

"An English professor at Dartmouth used to say, "I don't really know what I think until I write it." He was referring to the fact that thoughts crystallize when subjected to the rigors of the English language and its rules of usage and grammar. And he was paying homage to the magic of the lonely, and in his mind sacred, encounter between author and (in those days) paper.

Scott McClellan seems to be relying on the same point. He claims that he did not set out to write a memoir sharply critical of the administration but that in the process of actually writing the book, the scales dropped from eyes. This would explain, I suppose, why McClellan's book so flatly contradicts many of his public (and to colleagues, private) pronouncements. He never really knew what he thought until he wrote it.

There are a few problems with this defense, however. First. my English professor wasn't making the absurd claim that facts change when you write them. Second, McClellan's book is not the product of a lonely encounter with his keyboard; he had help. The help came from, among others, Peter Osnos, a former Washington Post writer. Osnos is the head of the liberal publishing company that published McClellan's book. It is he who helped transform McClellan's early concept -- a "not very interesting , typical press secretary book" -- into a vitriolic attack on the Bush White House.

Osnos denies that he ghost-wrote or heavily edited McClellan's book. However, he does take credit for making sure that the book "pass[ed] our test for independence, integrity, and candor.""

The question then becomes, what would that test look like as applied by Osnos. Here, we encounter the fact that, according to Brett Baker of Newsbusters, Osnos' publishing house is affiliated with the far-left The Nation magazine and is the publisher of books by George Soros. It also published The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. Since that book apparently passed Osnos' test for integrity and candor, one can infer that McClellan's original account of his time in the Bush administration did not, and that a major shift in tone and content was required of him before the book could see the light of day. In this regard, Osnos admits to having worked very closely with McClellan and the book's official editor, Lisa Kaufman.

Peter Osnos is the Founder and Editor-at-Large of PublicAffairs books. Previously, he was Publisher of Random House's Times Books Division from 1991 to 1996 and before that was a Vice President and Associate Publisher of the Random House imprint. Authors he has worked with include President Bill Clinton, former President Jimmy Carter, Rosalyn Carter, Nancy Reagan, former Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill, Boris Yeltsin, Paul Volcker, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Donald Trump, Clark Clifford, Sam Donaldson, Morley Safer, Peggy Noonan, Molly Ivins, Stanley Karnow, Jim Lehrer, William Novak, Vassily Aksyonov, and journalists from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, Newsweek, and The Economist.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/print/020639.php




The original book was a denounciation of the Media but his publisher convinced him it wouldn't produce as much money as an expose of the Bush Administration.Scott sold his soul for for a few hundred thousand more

Odysseus
06-03-2008, 10:05 AM
So, ‘The Ol’ Grey Lady’ isn’t worth a damn as a source the other 364 days a year, but when this story runs it’s gold? Interesting.

It is generally worthless, but if they identify someone who attacked one of their cherished icons as a "top aide" rather than as a minor staffer or gofer, you can be sure that he had some standing in the staff.

As for the discussion of McClellan's book, I'll defer to Megimoo.

LogansPapa
06-03-2008, 10:15 AM
So it’s all just a fabrication, not by McClellan - but by the hand of someone with a true axe to grind? Interesting. So when Powell has the class to wait until the current president is out of office and writes his perspective of what kind of impressions the White House’s tire tracks made on the back of his skull, more than once, that will be a fabrication too?

The Emperor’s clothes are truly beautiful, are they not? :rolleyes:

Odysseus
06-03-2008, 12:42 PM
So it’s all just a fabrication, not by McClellan - but by the hand of someone with a true axe to grind? Interesting. So when Powell has the class to wait until the current president is out of office and writes his perspective of what kind of impressions the White House’s tire tracks made on the back of his skull, more than once, that will be a fabrication too?

The Emperor’s clothes are truly beautiful, are they not? :rolleyes:

Sounds like you've already written his book.

megimoo
06-03-2008, 02:17 PM
Sounds like you've already written his book.He supplied the DNC talking points !Look why don't you just try very hard and follow and read the link .This knee jerk liberalism has a tendance to destroy your credability with your every post.

Again it's all very simple.Scott was writing a book his publisher told him it wouldn't generate enough interest
to sell.The Publisher ,being a big time liberal apologist convinced Judas/Scott to re_write the book and blast Bush therby making more sales and more sales mean more money in little Scotts pocket .Got it ??

LogansPapa
06-03-2008, 02:23 PM
Got it. So what will your BS/Denial diatribe be when Powell releases his book in 2009?

AmPat
06-03-2008, 02:44 PM
Me neither. I happen to disagree with Ted on many things, and agree with him and you insofar as I think the internet should be the same for all adult users.

I'm just saying... it's wasn't good when DU laughed about pissing on Reagan's grave, and it's not good when CU takes this opportunity to call Ted something senseless.

If Bush were diagnosed with Ted's illness, I would hope to see people be a bit more courteous towards him. I know that's a hopeless wish, and DU would throw a party about how the true villian of 9/11, that bastard President, was getting his due. It would be disgusting.

That's just my reaction to people bringing up Ted just to be vulgar. Let's rise above our policy disagreements, and respect each other's basic humanity. Even if it's just to the point where we don't get called a piece of shit as we breath our last.

I agree with you on most of your post, we should respect his humanity. I wish him well and a speedy recovery. I disagree with some of your opinion about Ted. I don't trust some of his political "opinions." I find that he is predictable to a fault in that if Republicans or Conservatives are FOR IT, Ted is surely AGAINST IT. Sometimes he seems to form his opinion for political leverage.

Hard to believe that we have so many Tax and Spend DimoRATs in the state that hosted the Boston Tea Party.

He LEFT the scene of an accident. At that point IMO, it should have been "leaving the scene of a crime."

LogansPapa
06-03-2008, 02:53 PM
This brings me to the question as to why, if the former Press Secretary’s book is full of nothing but lies - White House counsel isn’t drawing up law suit documents for slander at this very moment? If somebody was throwing crap around about me - in public - I’d sue him blind!

biccat
06-03-2008, 03:02 PM
This brings me to the question as to why, if the former Press Secretary’s book is full of nothing but lies - White House counsel isn’t drawing up law suit documents for slander at this very moment? If somebody was throwing crap around about me - in public - I’d sue him blind!
Because the standard of proof for public officials is significantly higher than that for ordinary citizens.

Vepr
06-03-2008, 08:19 PM
I do not like him at all but at the same time I will not attack him at this time. People always attack DU for doing the same thing when it comes to sickly or dead conservatives and rightly so. Why is it any different when conservatives do the same thing regarding liberals. Better to just not say anything at all.

Shannon
06-03-2008, 08:22 PM
I do not like him at all but at the same time I will not attack him at this time. People always attack DU for doing the same thing when it comes to sickly or dead conservatives and rightly so. Why is it any different when conservatives do the same thing regarding liberals. Better to just not say anything at all.

This thread took an entirely different turn but I will still address your post. I stated earlier that the fact that he is liberal has nothing to do with it. I believe he is a murderer and he gets no more sympathy from me than any other murderer would.

Vepr
06-03-2008, 08:41 PM
I don't disagree with you about respect and Ted Kennedy. I just think when it comes to things like this it is better to take the high road.

Odysseus
06-03-2008, 08:53 PM
This brings me to the question as to why, if the former Press Secretary’s book is full of nothing but lies - White House counsel isn’t drawing up law suit documents for slander at this very moment? If somebody was throwing crap around about me - in public - I’d sue him blind!

Oh please. We insult you on a daily basis and you've never sued. You just keep coming back for more.

Radix
06-03-2008, 09:09 PM
Do you know how cowardly it was for the sonofabitch to run away from the drowing girl just because he didn't want to explain what the hell he was doing there?

I have been kicking the sorry asshole for a long time and I am not going to let up now. He is such a vile person that he doesn't deserve to be given a break just because he is sick. He and others will be using his aliment to further the Left Wing agenda one way or another so piss on him.


Other than that, you probably have no strong feelings towards the asshole.

LogansPapa
06-04-2008, 10:32 AM
Oh please. We insult you on a daily basis and you've never sued. You just keep coming back for more.

Well............um........SO?!

megimoo
06-04-2008, 10:39 AM
Well............um........SO?!
OMG that was an outstanding defensive reply but you forgot the preamble ....Duh, ..SO ?...!!

LogansPapa
06-04-2008, 10:43 AM
OMG that was an outstanding defensive reply but you forgot the preamble ....Duh, ..SO ?...!!

Meh. :cool: