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NJCardFan
09-14-2012, 12:22 PM
I honestly and truly believe this. If Romney was anything but a Mormon, his lead would be insurmountable. There is no other way to explain how Obama, with the disaster that is the economy and how shitty his foreign policy is could be anywhere near a lead. No one can dispute this.

linda22003
09-14-2012, 12:25 PM
I don't think so. There are a lot of Americans who truly don't care about denominations. I think being effectively characterized as "evil, clueless rich" is hurting him, plus some of the things he's saying, himself.

TVDOC
09-14-2012, 12:37 PM
I seem to remember hearing the same lament about JFK (the first Catholic), and Richard Nixon (a Quaker, and at least by association, a pacifist, during a time of war).......

Didn't turn out to really be a factor.

doc

noonwitch
09-14-2012, 12:44 PM
I don't think his religion has any effect on swing voters/independents. It would have more of an effect on his base, and they tend to look at his anti-abortion belief (among other conservative issues) before his actual religion.


If black voters were going to vote republican, I think Mormonism would be more of an issue, because of the LDS history regarding race. But that hasn't really been an issue since around 1964.

Molon Labe
09-14-2012, 12:49 PM
I think it has more to do with him being a left wing New England Republican who as governor voted for any and all Liberal tripe he could and no middle class average voter can relate to

He's our very own John Kerry.

NJCardFan
09-14-2012, 12:50 PM
I think it has more to do with him being a left wing New England Republican who as governor voted for any and all Liberal tripe he could and no middle class average voter can relate to

He's our very own John Kerry.

However, watching this country crumble under Obama, a shoe should be able to run against him and win.

Molon Labe
09-14-2012, 01:02 PM
However, watching this country crumble under Obama, a shoe should be able to run against him and win.

I pretty much agree, but Romney is beating himself.

When we are meeting at my local GOP, many aren't usually talking about his Mormonism. It usually has to do with if it's better for the country to have a liberal in office when the house of cards falls or a terrible RINO so conservatism takes the blame in 2016, since a good many of us do not see any significant policy change that reverses our mess.

I sometimes wonder if some of those people don't have a point.

Could it be having an idiot like Romney win and everyone goes back to sleep is worse than having the enemy you know right in front of you.

I've always said the POTUS is overated. Congress is where it's at. I have a fairly good GOP congressman. In 2016 I will have an even better option if he screws up, because a stronger conservative gave him a run for his money this year.

Rockntractor
09-14-2012, 01:51 PM
I think it has more to do with him being a left wing New England Republican who as governor voted for any and all Liberal tripe he could and no middle class average voter can relate to

He's our very own John Kerry.

Left wing my ass, there is no Republican that is going to satisfy your isolationism.

Bailey
09-14-2012, 02:03 PM
I really think Obama is going to lose in Nov, I just have this gut feeling, no matter what the MSM is saying.

Rockntractor
09-14-2012, 02:11 PM
I honestly and truly believe this. If Romney was anything but a Mormon, his lead would be insurmountable. There is no other way to explain how Obama, with the disaster that is the economy and how shitty his foreign policy is could be anywhere near a lead. No one can dispute this.

If he were any other main stream Christian group he would be ahead by 10 points at least.

Molon Labe
09-14-2012, 02:21 PM
Left wing my ass, there is no Republican that is going to satisfy your isolationism.

Chillax Rock..

My standards are just a little more strict than yours after watching turds tear the party apart for the last 20 years. I could've seen me maybe casting a ballot for Perry or even Bachman....but sorry I am not voting for a Liberal just because the GOP was stupid enough to nominate one.

There's plenty of good Republicans. They just don't cow to the estab.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Paul_Broun_Congressional_Portrait.jpg/220px-Paul_Broun_Congressional_Portrait.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Congressman_Justin_Amash.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Rep_Virgil_Goode.jpg/220px-Rep_Virgil_Goode.jpg

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/kurtbadenhausen/files/2012/02/PaulLePage.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Jim_DeMint.jpg/220px-Jim_DeMint.jpg

Gina
09-14-2012, 05:45 PM
Justin Amash yay!

Sorry to nitpick but Mormanism is not a 'denomination' (implying a type of Christianity). Romney is not a Christian.

Even that isn't enough to NOT vote for him. Small steps are better than no steps.

LukeEDay
09-14-2012, 09:59 PM
I am an independent, who is als a Baptist; and the fact that Romney is a Mormon means nothing to me. My mission is to get the disaster known as 'Barry Big Ears' out of office...And replacing him with someone who is actually successful (with proof to show it) and not a fabrication of lies (obama still refuses to release his records) will be good for this country.

SaintLouieWoman
09-15-2012, 12:10 AM
I am an independent, who is als a Baptist; and the fact that Romney is a Mormon means nothing to me. My mission is to get the disaster known as 'Barry Big Ears' out of office...And replacing him with someone who is actually successful (with proof to show it) and not a fabrication of lies (obama still refuses to release his records) will be good for this country.
Well said.

Janice
09-15-2012, 12:23 AM
If the media and the pollsters didnt so intensely lie and over sample dims, Romney would be ahead double digits.

If the American media actually did their jobs and werent just stenographers for the left in general and Big Ears specifically, Romney would be ahead double digits.

And finally if Romney wasnt a GOP drone and was willing to stand unabashedly on conservative principles he would be ahead double digits.

What an unimaginable mess we have here. Tyranny is pounding on the door and roughly half of the country are all "wee-wee'd up" to open the door and let it in. Who would have ever guessed the triumph of Statism via pop culture, secularism and the ignorance of the American citizen would be so proliferate?

No matter what else happens... BO.. has got to go. Or we are finished.

Rockntractor
09-15-2012, 01:16 AM
Chillax Rock..



I hate to tell you this but part of the reason God allowed Romney to be the nominee was to get back at you, at some time in your past you did something that really chapped his hide so buck up and take your medicine. The rest of us know this but we know it isn't our fault so were okay with it.http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/disdain/disdain008.gif (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)

Molon Labe
09-15-2012, 10:12 AM
I hate to tell you this but part of the reason God allowed Romney to be the nominee was to get back at you, at some time in your past you did something that really chapped his hide so buck up and take your medicine. The rest of us know this but we know it isn't our fault so were okay with it.http://gfxlovers.com/smilies/imgs/disdain/disdain008.gif (http://gfxlovers.com/smilies)

If God allowed it, he's probably saying. "Ok..you aksed for it. Here's that stupid Obumble for another 4 years.".

If you didn't get involved in the process to choose a real conservative, then it's everyones fault.

Novaheart
09-15-2012, 10:52 AM
I honestly and truly believe this. If Romney was anything but a Mormon, his lead would be insurmountable. There is no other way to explain how Obama, with the disaster that is the economy and how shitty his foreign policy is could be anywhere near a lead. No one can dispute this.

You're probably correct , except for the "anything but a Mormon" part. As I have said before, I don't think America would warm up to a Scientologist, a Muslim, or a North Korean.

Rockntractor
09-15-2012, 11:04 AM
Scientologist, a Muslim, or a North Korean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtXUr17-JEA

NJCardFan
09-15-2012, 11:24 AM
If God allowed it, he's probably saying. "Ok..you aksed for it. Here's that stupid Obumble for another 4 years.".

If you didn't get involved in the process to choose a real conservative, then it's everyones fault.

Translation: "I'm not voting for Romney and if this means another 4 years of Obama then meh."

Molon Labe
09-15-2012, 11:32 AM
Translation: "I'm not voting for Romney and if this means another 4 years of Obama then meh."

Yeah because my one vote in November means as much as my voting in my states convention for delegates at the regional meeting last April. If people think Willard's going to completely reverse trajectory on major policy issues they are deluded.

Give me the "substantitive" difference between these two morons. For Cripes sake Willard just admitted he was in favor or Obamacare. He'd just change a few things about it. :rolleyes:

LukeEDay
09-16-2012, 12:26 AM
obama is a Muslim. I don't trust him...

AmPat
09-16-2012, 11:19 AM
Yeah because my one vote in November means as much as my voting in my states convention for delegates at the regional meeting last April. If people think Willard's going to completely reverse trajectory on major policy issues they are deluded.

Give me the "substantitive" difference between these two morons. For Cripes sake Willard just admitted he was in favor or Obamacare. He'd just change a few things about it. :rolleyes:

O Blowhard begins every one of his decisions from the premise that EVERYTHING about the USA is flawed and needs "fundamental change." or in his mind, a complete makeover to a weakened nation with a Communist populace.

Romney has a view of the USA much more in tune with those racist Americans who have clung to their guns and religion for over two hundred years.

A somewhat stark difference if you ask me.

txradioguy
09-16-2012, 12:10 PM
I think it has more to do with him being a left wing New England Republican who as governor voted for any and all Liberal tripe he could and no middle class average voter can relate to

He's our very own John Kerry.

Wow...talk about a complete and utter line of bullshit.

Go take some Midol and calm down Lube.

txradioguy
09-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Yeah because my one vote in November means as much as my voting in my states convention for delegates at the regional meeting last April. If people think Willard's going to completely reverse trajectory on major policy issues they are deluded.

Give me the "substantitive" difference between these two morons. For Cripes sake Willard just admitted he was in favor or Obamacare. He'd just change a few things about it. :rolleyes:

Mike...is that you?

Molon Labe
09-18-2012, 10:32 AM
Wow...talk about a complete and utter line of bullshit.

Go take some Midol and calm down Lube.


You are either a Conservative or you just want to beat Obama. You can't be both. You go ahead and swallow that coolaide that Romney is a great conservative. I'll pass.

If you're conservative, then voting for Romney means you will lose because if a "fake" is holding office and it all goes to hell, then True "Conservatism" gets the blame. You can't fix the problems by being a "fake".

Sorry if you can't handle the truth, so you can stop your bitching when you get that asshole Obama for four more years and you might find you need to take a couple pills yourself.

I've got myself preped for the crap that will follow...Do you?

txradioguy
09-18-2012, 02:41 PM
You are either a Conservative or you just want to beat Obama. You can't be both. You go ahead and swallow that coolaide that Romney is a great conservative. I'll pass.

That's horse shit and you know it. I AM a Conservative...and I DO want to beat Obama.

I never said Romney was Conservative. You make that up and put it in other people's mouth when they don't agree with your Ronulan/John Birch Society retard view of America.


If you're conservative, then voting for Romney means you will lose because if a "fake" is holding office and it all goes to hell, then True "Conservatism" gets the blame. You can't fix the problems by being a "fake".

And YOU can't fix the problem by being a retarded 100%'er jackass. You and Mike the Dead Horse Beater can go sit at home in your two man circle jerk and lament how you're the only two "real" conservatives left.

Romney's not the Conservative choice by a long shot...but he's what we've got and he's so much fucking better than what we've got now that I shouldn't have to explain it to anyone with a brain.

But then I guess that's why it has to be explained to you...repeatedly.


Sorry if you can't handle the truth, so you can stop your bitching when you get that asshole Obama for four more years and you might find you need to take a couple pills yourself.

Ignoring the truth? You're the one with your head jammed so far up your ass you've lost touch with reality.

You're doing more to insure that Obama wins than anyone here. And the Obama 2012 re-election campaign thanks you for your support.


I've got myself preped for the crap that will follow...Do you?

Sorry Lube I live in reality. And the reality is that Romney will beat Obama in about 50 days.

And then I'm gonna have fun sitting back and laughing at you.

The question you should be asking yourself is how will you keep from busting a blood vessel when you're wrong?

Maybe you can sign up over at DU and cry and wail with the DUmmies and console each other over the fact that Obama lost.

Molon Labe
09-18-2012, 03:18 PM
Sorry Lube I live in reality. And the reality is that Romney will beat Obama in about 50 days.

And then I'm gonna have fun sitting back and laughing at you.


And then I guess when Romney wins all our country's problems are solved? YAY!

You lost during the primaries when you settled.

Look, I know your a Republican "Team Player", so have fun with the team and forget holding anyone accountable cause poltics is just a game of "us" vs "them" anyways.

I don't care that you and I don't agree on every conservative view, but I do care when someone says I have to vote for the guy who's going to screw me a little less.

Cause if that rat bastard beats Obama, and starts working his own bomb diddily Massachussetts socialism, and the entire thing comes crashing down, I hope it was worth it to you. I won't be laughing at you, I'll be scrambling trying to explain how it wasn't "conservatism" fault. Deep down you know I have a point because you can't even bring yourself to defend Willard's sucktastic record.


On second thought....I actually say "Thank God for Romeny". His abysmal record and non conservatism will hopefully bring this party back to it's Goldwater and Russell Kirk roots.

Gina
09-18-2012, 10:20 PM
Deep down you know I have a point because you can't even bring yourself to defend Willard's sucktastic record.

Defend him? Just because you're attacking him doesn't mean that the rest of us have to defend him. If you've read this forum at all you would know no one is a Romney cheerleader. If that's what you're looking for then you will be disappointed, or holier than thou, not sure which.

Molon Labe
09-19-2012, 08:14 AM
Defend him? Just because you're attacking him doesn't mean that the rest of us have to defend him. If you've read this forum at all you would know no one is a Romney cheerleader. If that's what you're looking for then you will be disappointed, or holier than thou, not sure which.

I'd call it being principled. I've watched the Republican party nominate two men over the last 4 years that were further to the left than Walter Mondale. I grew up a staunch Republican and have always towed the party line. Not anymore. What people have their shorts in bunches about is that there is actually someone who's watching the country go over a cliff and understands it's both parties fault.

I'm an individual first, and I'm not taking one for the "team" anymore. Republican party is not greater than Conservative. That's called Collectivism. That's what Liberals are all about. NO thanks.

I don't believe in this "Us or Them" stuff anymore, because this country needs a strong conservative, a radical, who will actually buck the system and cut cut cut. Settling for "John Kerry lite" isn't going to work. People are screaming for a real conservative to fix this mess. Why do you think the GOP is in complete dissaray?

I mean that still IS the goal isn't it? To fix the country? To return to smaller federal government, states rights and fiscal responsibility?

Or is it just to beat Obama?

Gina
09-19-2012, 08:27 AM
The GOP is in disarray because as you said, the last 2 election cycles have brought us milquetoast candidates who say they're conservative but they aren't. The fight is between moderates and conservatives. The reality though is that republican voters brought us those candidates. You're bucking the whole system which is fine, but yes I have to say beating Obama is pretty important considering the damage he has done and would do. Carter brought us Reagan. Obama could bring us ruin. That's why I'll vote for Romney/Ryan, even though my primary choice was Santorum. But Santorum didn't win so what to do. Just sit back and watch the country I love be destroyed by Obama? NO thanks.

txradioguy
09-19-2012, 08:34 AM
Defend him? Just because you're attacking him doesn't mean that the rest of us have to defend him. If you've read this forum at all you would know no one is a Romney cheerleader. If that's what you're looking for then you will be disappointed, or holier than thou, not sure which.

Bingo!

NJCardFan
09-19-2012, 12:01 PM
Yeah because my one vote in November means as much as my voting in my states convention for delegates at the regional meeting last April. If people think Willard's going to completely reverse trajectory on major policy issues they are deluded.

Give me the "substantitive" difference between these two morons. For Cripes sake Willard just admitted he was in favor or Obamacare. He'd just change a few things about it. :rolleyes:

Then you're fine with another 4 years of Obama so you can stand by your "principles". Just admit that and move on. Also, show me, when it comes to foreign policy, where Romney and Obama are similar. I'll wait.

Molon Labe
09-19-2012, 01:06 PM
Then you're fine with another 4 years of Obama so you can stand by your "principles". Just admit that and move on. Also, show me, when it comes to foreign policy, where Romney and Obama are similar. I'll wait.


Hmm. Hard to pin down anyone who's never held federal office on what they would actually do in FP as oppossed to what they "say". Even Obama has been almost 180 on what he said he would do.

You are voting for Romney and you trust him, so maybe you should explain how he will vastly change it.


I can only surmise that since today Bill Kristol, jumped off the train, then it can't be good news for Romney. That's one of my first clues.....that Romney doesn't even meet the Kristol standard and PNAC has figured out he's not a good match for the stuff they are pushing

I haven't really heard anything Romney has said that represents changing FP to much....and another thing.....I know that I don't care to much for a guy who's excuse during Vietnam was he needed to get 4 deferments to be in charge my brothers in arms and tell them what to do.

Rockntractor
09-19-2012, 01:20 PM
Hmm. Hard to pin down anyone who's never held federal office on what they would actually do in FP as oppossed to what they "say". Even Obama has been almost 180 on what he said he would do.

You are voting for Romney and you trust him, so maybe you should explain how he will vastly change it.


I can only surmise that since today Bill Kristol, jumped off the train, then it can't be good news for Romney. That's one of my first clues.....that Romney doesn't even meet the Kristol standard and PNAC has figured out he's not a good match for the stuff they are pushing

I haven't really heard anything Romney has said that represents changing FP to much....and another thing.....I know that I don't care to much for a guy who's excuse during Vietnam was he needed to get 4 deferments to be in charge my brothers in arms and tell them what to do.

There is only one thing left for you, get your Obama bumper sticker and commie down with the rest of the libtards.

Molon Labe
09-19-2012, 01:27 PM
There is only one thing left for you, get your Obama bumper sticker and commie down with the rest of the libtards.

Yeeeaaaaaaa.....I don't see that happening. but I do have this on my vehicle.


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTJYMzMx/$T2eC16hHJGYE9nookQUwBQLFOOILPQ~~60_1.JPG?set_id=8 800005007

SaintLouieWoman
09-19-2012, 02:35 PM
Yeeeaaaaaaa.....I don't see that happening. but I do have this on my vehicle.


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTJYMzMx/$T2eC16hHJGYE9nookQUwBQLFOOILPQ~~60_1.JPG?set_id=8 800005007

You sound so much like a former poster, Gator. I didn't think there was another person who so closely paralleled his thinking.

txradioguy
09-19-2012, 03:04 PM
You sound so much like a former poster, Gator. I didn't think there was another person who so closely paralleled his thinking.

Same thought crossed my mind too.

NJCardFan
09-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Hmm. Hard to pin down anyone who's never held federal office on what they would actually do in FP as oppossed to what they "say". Even Obama has been almost 180 on what he said he would do.

You are voting for Romney and you trust him, so maybe you should explain how he will vastly change it.


I can only surmise that since today Bill Kristol, jumped off the train, then it can't be good news for Romney. That's one of my first clues.....that Romney doesn't even meet the Kristol standard and PNAC has figured out he's not a good match for the stuff they are pushing

I haven't really heard anything Romney has said that represents changing FP to much....and another thing.....I know that I don't care to much for a guy who's excuse during Vietnam was he needed to get 4 deferments to be in charge my brothers in arms and tell them what to do.

But you're content with a guy who has nothing but disdain for the military? Nice logic there. While we're at it, kindly list the military record of Gary Johnson. Again, I'll wait.

Molon Labe
09-19-2012, 03:43 PM
You sound so much like a former poster, Gator. I didn't think there was another person who so closely paralleled his thinking.

Yeah, I remember him having a falling out of sorts. Was an Admin at one time I think too. Hate it that the relationship had to go sour. Thought when he wasn't going on a tirade he could be quite interesting. I think some like Ampat felt the same way. Could be wrong though.

Alot of people are tired of the Republican party doing thier business as usual thing, just not too many here I guess.
A message board isn't always the best gauge of what's going on. Just go to a couple local GOP meetings and I think you'll be surprised what's going to happen over the next 4 years.


I hate Obama as much as any of you. But I don't like Romney enough to think that anything is going to change. That's all there is too it

I'm done talking about Romney. People will vote for who they wish, I just wish people would try to sell me he's a conservative.

Molon Labe
09-19-2012, 03:46 PM
But you're content with a guy who has nothing but disdain for the military? Nice logic there. While we're at it, kindly list the military record of Gary Johnson. Again, I'll wait.

And you would replace him with a draft dodger...nice logic.

I'm not content with either. And who said anything about that Gary Johnson? Not voting for him.

NJCardFan
09-19-2012, 03:50 PM
And you would replace him with a draft dodger...nice logic.

I'm not content with either. And who said anything about that Gary Johnson? Not voting for him.

No, you're voting for Obama, you've made that clear.

LAPhil
09-19-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't think it makes any difference to most people that Romney's a Mormon. At the end of the day the voters look at the things that really matter to them, e.g., jobs, the economy most of all. Romney's religion won't be any more a factor in his (hopeful) election than Obama's race was in the last one.

LAPhil
09-19-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeeeaaaaaaa.....I don't see that happening. but I do have this on my vehicle.


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTJYMzMx/$T2eC16hHJGYE9nookQUwBQLFOOILPQ~~60_1.JPG?set_id=8 800005007

That's awesome! Where can I get one of those?

Gina
09-19-2012, 06:11 PM
So this is different..

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/528473_406391196081718_1698340049_n.jpg

NJCardFan
09-19-2012, 08:38 PM
I don't think it makes any difference to most people that Romney's a Mormon. At the end of the day the voters look at the things that really matter to them, e.g., jobs, the economy most of all. Romney's religion won't be any more a factor in his (hopeful) election than Obama's race was in the last one.

Which is baffling to me so the only reason why Obama's numbers are still so high is because of those who want a nanny state and will keep 0 in power to protect their goodies.

LAPhil
09-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Which is baffling to me so the only reason why Obama's numbers are still so high is because of those who want a nanny state and will keep 0 in power to protect their goodies.
I think you've got it.

JB
09-19-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm done talking about Romney. People will vote for who they wish, I just wish people would try to sell me he's a conservative.I'm not going to try and sell you anything. You're not the first person to post on here that you can't vote for Romney for whatever reason. Every fucking Paulbot idiot that's ever posted in here has already said (a hundred times over) what you are currently saying.

I don't care if your guy didn't win. A lot of folks in here didn't have their guy win. The difference is they are not taking their ball, crying like a bitch and going home. They are showing loyalty. Maybe it's loyalty to the party, maybe it's loyalty to getting 0bama out of office. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't care.

So go vote for Obama or Johnson or write your own name in. Just stop posting about how you can't vote for Romney because he doesn't meet what you want in a candidate. It's been done. It's tired. It's lame.

NJCardFan
09-19-2012, 11:01 PM
I'm not going to try and sell you anything. You're not the first person to post on here that you can't vote for Romney for whatever reason. Every fucking Paulbot idiot that's ever posted in here has already said (a hundred times over) what you are currently saying.

I don't care if your guy didn't win. A lot of folks in here didn't have their guy win. The difference is they are not taking their ball, crying like a bitch and going home. They are showing loyalty. Maybe it's loyalty to the party, maybe it's loyalty to getting 0bama out of office. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't care.

So go vote for Obama or Johnson or write your own name in. Just stop posting about how you can't vote for Romney because he doesn't meet what you want in a candidate. It's been done. It's tired. It's lame.

My choice was Cain and when he was eliminated, Santorum but once Romney got the nod, I swallowed my pride and decided to support him. To be truthful, I'd vote for a shoe if it meant getting rid of Obama.

Bailey
09-20-2012, 05:10 AM
I'm not going to try and sell you anything. You're not the first person to post on here that you can't vote for Romney for whatever reason. Every fucking Paulbot idiot that's ever posted in here has already said (a hundred times over) what you are currently saying.

I don't care if your guy didn't win. A lot of folks in here didn't have their guy win. The difference is they are not taking their ball, crying like a bitch and going home. They are showing loyalty. Maybe it's loyalty to the party, maybe it's loyalty to getting 0bama out of office. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't care.

So go vote for Obama or Johnson or write your own name in. Just stop posting about how you can't vote for Romney because he doesn't meet what you want in a candidate. It's been done. It's tired. It's lame.

What he said^^^

txradioguy
09-20-2012, 07:00 AM
Which is baffling to me so the only reason why Obama's numbers are still so high is because of those who want a nanny state and will keep 0 in power to protect their goodies.

It doesn't help either when the pollsters are oversampling Dems by up to 13% to get the result they want.

txradioguy
09-20-2012, 07:01 AM
I'm not going to try and sell you anything. You're not the first person to post on here that you can't vote for Romney for whatever reason. Every fucking Paulbot idiot that's ever posted in here has already said (a hundred times over) what you are currently saying.

I don't care if your guy didn't win. A lot of folks in here didn't have their guy win. The difference is they are not taking their ball, crying like a bitch and going home. They are showing loyalty. Maybe it's loyalty to the party, maybe it's loyalty to getting 0bama out of office. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't care.

So go vote for Obama or Johnson or write your own name in. Just stop posting about how you can't vote for Romney because he doesn't meet what you want in a candidate. It's been done. It's tired. It's lame.

QFT. Well said.

Molon Labe
09-20-2012, 08:52 AM
The difference is they are not taking their ball, crying like a bitch and going home. They are showing loyalty. Maybe it's loyalty to the party, maybe it's loyalty to getting 0bama out of office. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't care.

Loyalty to what? Loyalty to the principles of what you believe in or loyalty to a brand name?

This isn't a football game. This is your children's and mines future. This is 13 million people out of work and 2 trillion in debt, and Obama not doing anything to change it. And you don't need me to remind you who it was before him that instituted the bailouts and increased the deficit and went haywire with wreckless welfare spending.
Hint: It was a guy with an R


If you're telling me your "conservatism" is brand loyalty that trumps actual results or even if that person follows anything remotely resembling the party platform, then what is the difference?

Bailey
09-20-2012, 09:36 AM
Loyalty to what? Loyalty to the principles of what you believe in or loyalty to a brand name?

This isn't a football game. This is your children's and mines future. This is 13 million people out of work and 2 trillion in debt, and Obama not doing anything to change it. And you don't need me to remind you who it was before him that instituted the bailouts and increased the deficit and went haywire with wreckless welfare spending.
Hint: It was a guy with an R


If you're telling me your "conservatism" is brand loyalty that trumps actual results or even if that person follows anything remotely resembling the party platform, then what is the difference?

I will type it out slowly for you melon lube, Romney is better then obama, no Ron Paul to vote for, so either not voting or a vote for a third party is as good as voting for Obama. Now is your principals worth 4 more years of obama? if so then there is nothing more to talk about.

LukeEDay
09-20-2012, 11:13 AM
The Dr. Nutz followers have to learn that he is done. If they are going to write him in, they might as well vote for obama because that is essentially what they are doing.

NJCardFan
09-20-2012, 11:29 AM
Loyalty to what? Loyalty to the principles of what you believe in or loyalty to a brand name?

This isn't a football game. This is your children's and mines future. This is 13 million people out of work and 2 trillion in debt, and Obama not doing anything to change it. And you don't need me to remind you who it was before him that instituted the bailouts and increased the deficit and went haywire with wreckless welfare spending.
Hint: It was a guy with an R


If you're telling me your "conservatism" is brand loyalty that trumps actual results or even if that person follows anything remotely resembling the party platform, then what is the difference?

Simply put, if Obama is given another 4 years, you, me, and your children won't have a future to build on. If you think standing up for your principles is worth another 4 years of this yutz, then I beg you to go see 2016. Believe me, I agree with you in principle, however, this election time we have 2 choices only. sorry to break it to you but it's reality. You want to stay home and not vote or vote for some crackpot then fine, however, if Obama wins and in the next 4 years our nuclear stockpile is dwindled down to nothing, the deficit balloons up to $20 trillion, our national sovereignty is all but eliminated, the welfare roles expand to a third of the population, Islamsism spreads to our hemisphere, gas prices skyrocket to $8 per gallon, then you should just shut up because you were part of the problem. As I said, Romney wasn't my candidate however he's all we have right now and if you listen to him speak lately, even in that "secret video" popping around, he's been 100% spot on and even though he isn't what I wanted, he's night and day better than the chucklehead and his cast of useless idiots that is running the country right now. So, go ahead and stand up for your principles but when making near $70K a year isn't going to be enough to live on thanks to Obama, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

txradioguy
09-20-2012, 12:43 PM
Simply put, if Obama is given another 4 years, you, me, and your children won't have a future to build on. If you think standing up for your principles is worth another 4 years of this yutz, then I beg you to go see 2016. Believe me, I agree with you in principle, however, this election time we have 2 choices only. sorry to break it to you but it's reality. You want to stay home and not vote or vote for some crackpot then fine, however, if Obama wins and in the next 4 years our nuclear stockpile is dwindled down to nothing, the deficit balloons up to $20 trillion, our national sovereignty is all but eliminated, the welfare roles expand to a third of the population, Islamsism spreads to our hemisphere, gas prices skyrocket to $8 per gallon, then you should just shut up because you were part of the problem. As I said, Romney wasn't my candidate however he's all we have right now and if you listen to him speak lately, even in that "secret video" popping around, he's been 100% spot on and even though he isn't what I wanted, he's night and day better than the chucklehead and his cast of useless idiots that is running the country right now. So, go ahead and stand up for your principles but when making near $70K a year isn't going to be enough to live on thanks to Obama, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

^^

This.

Molon Labe
09-20-2012, 02:42 PM
As I said, Romney wasn't my candidate however he's all we have right now and if you listen to him speak lately, even in that "secret video" popping around, he's been 100% spot on and even though he isn't what I wanted, he's night and day better than the chucklehead and his cast of useless idiots that is running the country right now. So, go ahead and stand up for your principles but when making near $70K a year isn't going to be enough to live on thanks to Obama, then if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.



But the if you don't vote then you are part of the problem is a fallacy. Not voting is rejecting the choices you've been given. I'd argue that if you weren't doing your part last year during the caucusing to make sure a strong conservative was nominated, I think it's you who may have to do the soul check. When you let the establishment pick the candidate, then you get what you deserve.

I reject the notion that my most highest civic duty is to go to a poll one Tuesday in November and vote against the other team, or for the lesser of the two evils.

You know...we've beat this to death. There are plenty of areas that we can agree on. So I'll end with this:

That Romney speech was the first and only thing I've ever heard the man say that I thought was genuine. He may actually "get it" after all. Time will tell. I will personally admit I'm wrong if he is fiscally conservative.

SaintLouieWoman
09-20-2012, 09:36 PM
But the if you don't vote then you are part of the problem is a fallacy. Not voting is rejecting the choices you've been given. I'd argue that if you weren't doing your part last year during the caucusing to make sure a strong conservative was nominated, I think it's you who may have to do the soul check. When you let the establishment pick the candidate, then you get what you deserve.

I reject the notion that my most highest civic duty is to go to a poll one Tuesday in November and vote against the other team, or for the lesser of the two evils.

You know...we've beat this to death. There are plenty of areas that we can agree on. So I'll end with this:

That Romney speech was the first and only thing I've ever heard the man say that I thought was genuine. He may actually "get it" after all. Time will tell. I will personally admit I'm wrong if he is fiscally conservative.

SR and I weren't for Romney. He donated a little bit to Newt: I supported Santorum. But when our candidates lost, as I've said before, I'd vote for my greyhound dawg Darlene before I'd vote for Obama. I have two little grandkids, 3 and not quite 2. I don't want them to have the future that Obama would lay out for them. Damned right I'm supporting Romney now and make no apologies.

Besides, after listening to his speech today, he seemed more genuine than most of them I've heard. I was at rallies for both Bush's, McCain, and Bob Dole. I think he had as good a speech as I've ever heard from them. And it was short and to the point. He apologized to the people who had been waiting for hours out in the hot Florida sun. Apparently, he had insisted that there be water stations around for all the people there. It's little things like that which made me appreciate him more.

What really impressed me was the huge (for Sarasota) turnout. There were several thousand that stood in the heat from about 1:30 til the speech at 4. There was a show of hands, and there were a large number of vets there. People of all ages were there. I heard people talking in the crowd, many conservatives who on the way out said that they were very impressed and would absolutely vote for him.

I held my nose and voted for McCain last time, even though my heart wasn't in it. I don't feel that I'm holding my nose to vote for Mitt. Do what you want, but hope that you can live with your conscience if our country suffers further disasters with Obama. And believe me, they will come.

Vote for Mitt if you want our military protected, not left out to dry by a president who doesn't give a damn for them. Sorry, will get off my soapbox now. :smile-new:

NJCardFan
09-20-2012, 11:49 PM
But the if you don't vote then you are part of the problem is a fallacy. Not voting is rejecting the choices you've been given. I'd argue that if you weren't doing your part last year during the caucusing to make sure a strong conservative was nominated, I think it's you who may have to do the soul check. When you let the establishment pick the candidate, then you get what you deserve.

I reject the notion that my most highest civic duty is to go to a poll one Tuesday in November and vote against the other team, or for the lesser of the two evils.

You know...we've beat this to death. There are plenty of areas that we can agree on. So I'll end with this:

That Romney speech was the first and only thing I've ever heard the man say that I thought was genuine. He may actually "get it" after all. Time will tell. I will personally admit I'm wrong if he is fiscally conservative.

The establishment didn't pick the candidate you knucklehead. He was one of many candidates and he's the one the Republican voters wanted and saw as their best shot to win. I, like you, am a conservative, however, if you want to stay home and allow another 4 years of Obama, then you have nothing to complain about until 2016.

Zathras
09-21-2012, 12:08 AM
The establishment didn't pick the candidate you knucklehead. He was one of many candidates and he's the one the Republican voters wanted and saw as their best shot to win. I, like you, am a conservative, however, if you want to stay home and allow another 4 years of Obama, then you have nothing to complain about until 2016.

And if you stay at home because you don't mind if Obama does get reelected because the only candidate that can beat him is not to your liking then you're a faux conservative in the first place.

NJCardFan
09-21-2012, 01:07 AM
And if you stay at home because you don't mind if Obama does get reelected because the only candidate that can beat him is not to your liking then you're a faux conservative in the first place.

Really? Huh. So in other words in order to be a true conservative you have to be staunch and not budge an inch? Now you guys are starting to sound like DUmmies in that you have to think and do 1 way and no other way or else. Listen to yourselves. You guys are starting to sound like Mike128. Like I said, if your little "standing for my principles" tantrum pans out, it means 4 more years of Obama. If you're content with that, fine, but personally I'd vote for the 8" section of Q-Tip laden bowel from my dog than have to endure and watch the destruction of the country I love for some silly imagined unrealistic principles.

Zathras
09-21-2012, 09:00 AM
Really? Huh. So in other words in order to be a true conservative you have to be staunch and not budge an inch? Now you guys are starting to sound like DUmmies in that you have to think and do 1 way and no other way or else. Listen to yourselves. You guys are starting to sound like Mike128. Like I said, if your little "standing for my principles" tantrum pans out, it means 4 more years of Obama. If you're content with that, fine, but personally I'd vote for the 8" section of Q-Tip laden bowel from my dog than have to endure and watch the destruction of the country I love for some silly imagined unrealistic principles.

Hmmm, don't know why you quoted me because the people you describe are the ones my post is directed at.

NJCardFan
09-21-2012, 12:35 PM
Hmmm, don't know why you quoted me because the people you describe are the ones my post is directed at.

I think I misunderstood your meaning. Waddya want. It was late. :livid:

Bailey
09-21-2012, 12:39 PM
Two words on why he doesn't have a double digit lead: Bradley Effect.

m00
09-21-2012, 01:47 PM
Everytime I read this thread title, I see "Moron" instead of "Mormon" :smile-new:

But seriously. It has nothing to do with him being Mormon. I don't think anybody cares. It's because he keeps saying things that make people really nervous about what a Romney presidency would look like. It should be sooooooo easy.

This should be his message imo:

"I'm a wealthy businessman. My parents are wealthy. I gave away my inheritance, but granted I still had a massive leg up in life. I want everybody to have a leg up in life, and we accomplish this by creating an environment where entrepreneurship (and the people whom they hire to start their business) can thrive.

Some people criticize me for making hundreds of millions of dollars from leveraged buyouts. I was driven to be successful in business, and due to government regulations leveraged buyouts are a highly profitable business. You can't blame a driven individual to make their money within the framework of what is essentially a stupid bureaucracy. If you don't like how I made my money, or think I'm too rich, then consider that Obama wants more regulations on finance, not less. Regulations create a fixed game, and actually makes it easier for connected individuals or financially driven individuals like me to greatly profit. So if you want less 1%er Mitt Romneys in the world, voting for Obama is the last thing you should be doing."

JB
09-21-2012, 07:55 PM
This isn't a football game.It's a zero-sum game. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. Romney wins. Obama loses. It's that simple.

Trying to make some kind of stand on principles when it's time to cast your vote is a bit late to the game. If you want change in the Republican party, where were you the last four years, or if you didn't like Bush, the eight years before that? Better yet, stay Libertarian and go 0 for the-rest-of-your-life when it comes to elections. Hey, you stood your ground but no one from your party ever made it above dogcatcher. Well done. :rolleyes:


When you let the establishment pick the candidate, then you get what you deserve.I keep seeing this line repeated by the Paulcult but they never explain what they are talking about. And if you're talking about some delegates from Maine that didn't get seated, please, don't even reply.

Scratchy
09-21-2012, 08:27 PM
romney is behind because (a) he sucks as a candidate, (b) his campaign is being run by retards, and (c) the combination of the obama/central government propaganda machine added to the MSM fluffers is very, very difficult to overcome.

it has zero to do with the fact that he is Mormon.

AmPat
09-23-2012, 11:20 AM
And then I guess when Romney wins all our country's problems are solved? YAY!

On second thought....I actually say "Thank God for Romeny". His abysmal record and non conservatism will hopefully bring this party back to it's Goldwater and Russell Kirk roots.
No, the flip side is if that current Communist SOB wins, this country is finished as we Knew it. The Conservatives don't have a horse in this race and pretending that Johnson or some other Johnny come lately has a chance is willfully stupid.

txradioguy
09-23-2012, 11:24 AM
romney is behind because (a) he sucks as a candidate, (b) his campaign is being run by retards, and (c) the combination of the obama/central government propaganda machine added to the MSM fluffers is very, very difficult to overcome.

it has zero to do with the fact that he is Mormon.

Romney's not behind.