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Rockntractor
10-04-2012, 08:32 PM
Posted on October 4, 2012 at 6:42pm by Mytheos Holt


“The white man was a good shot and the bullet from his Winchester passed through the body of Yaholar.”

This simple sentence, describing Massachusetts Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren’s great-grandfather, John Crawford, may finally put a bullet not simply in the long dead corpse of Native American Louis Yaholar, but also of Warren’s supposed family mythology. It comes from a turn-of-the-20th-century news story uncovered by William Jacobi at Legal Insurrection, who explains the genealogical connection between this random incident of White-on-Native-American violence and Warren’s campaign:

But, while Warren thinks she has found a safe place in her family lore, it’s still worth pointing out that she is not Cherokee. The Cherokee line supposedly was through her maternal grandparents, the Crawfords.

But just to put another piece of evidence on the table, real Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes has come up a newspaper clipping from the Muskogee Times Democrat on August 17, 1906.

The newspaper clipping relates to a story about how Warren’s great grandfather, John H. Crawford, shot a real Indian and was identified in the newspaper as white.

You can view a photo of the 1906 story below. Note that the Crawfords are identified not as Cherokee (as Warren would have it), but as white:
Elizabeth Warrens Great Grandfather Shot an Indian in Self Defense, Says 1906 News Story



There is no evidence that anything particularly improper was involved with century plus old shooting, and indeed, it may cast Warren’s great grandfather in a positive light for some people. However, what it most unequivocally does cast doubt on is Warren’s reliability as a narrator of her family history. To that end, it is likely to be used by the Scott Brown campaign as another piece of evidence that Warren has been falsifying her history, and is generally untrustworthy.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/elizabeth-warrens-great-grandfather-killed-a-native-american/


http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/crying2Bindian.jpg

Gina
10-05-2012, 09:27 PM
I feel ashamed that I laughed at the title of this thread. I feel sorry someone was killed but dayum Warren is a weenie.

NJCardFan
10-05-2012, 10:53 PM
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/crying2Bindian.jpg

Funnier yet, this guy is Italian.

Novaheart
10-05-2012, 11:30 PM
My best friend since junior high school is half Filipino. His birth certificate and official documents have him listed as "white". His mother, who most closely resembles Bloody Mary (who was actually a negro) , is also officially white presumably by virtue of her maiden name being Spanish rather than Filipino.

If you will look through the Florida Department of Corrections database, you will see that race appears to be recorded according to the stated identity of the inmate rather than a visual standard.

Unreconstructed Reb
10-09-2012, 12:07 PM
My best friend since junior high school is half Filipino. His birth certificate and official documents have him listed as "white". His mother, who most closely resembles Bloody Mary (who was actually a negro) , is also officially white presumably by virtue of her maiden name being Spanish rather than Filipino.

If you will look through the Florida Department of Corrections database, you will see that race appears to be recorded according to the stated identity of the inmate rather than a visual standard.

I looked up 0blowme's (fake) birth certificate and only the race of the alleged father and mother are shown. Then I looked at my (real) birth certificate and only the race of my mother and father are shown. Are you sure that your Flip boyfriends race is shown on his birth certificate or is this another case of liberal lies?

Novaheart
10-09-2012, 01:17 PM
I looked up 0blowme's (fake) birth certificate and only the race of the alleged father and mother are shown. Then I looked at my (real) birth certificate and only the race of my mother and father are shown. Are you sure that your Flip boyfriends race is shown on his birth certificate or is this another case of liberal lies?

I never asked to see his birth certificate, but I did see his drivers license and you had to present your birth certificate to get your drivers license. I know he identified himself as white in school and work, he and I mocked his sister for claiming to be a minority when she applied to the CIA.

I'm not sure what your point is. My point was that just because someone identifies as "white" doesn't mean he is, and God knows these days declaring yourself to be a "Native American" could mean almost anything. Personally, I'm not sure that "Native American" is a racial classification. The drawings and paintings of Eastern Seaboard Indians at the time of colonization suggest to be that they are significantly European in ancestry compared with Plains Indians and the rather Cambodian looking Indians of the Southwest and points South. Many Virginians are quite proud of their descent from Powhatan. As in all things genealogical, however, it simply requires a slip of the pen or an illicit affair to change the complexion as it were of the discussion.

Oh, and fuck you.

Bailey
10-09-2012, 01:25 PM
I never asked to see his birth certificate, but I did see his drivers license and you had to present your birth certificate to get your drivers license. I know he identified himself as white in school and work, he and I mocked his sister for claiming to be a minority when she applied to the CIA.

I'm not sure what your point is. My point was that just because someone identifies as "white" doesn't mean he is, and God knows these days declaring yourself to be a "Native American" could mean almost anything. Personally, I'm not sure that "Native American" is a racial classification. The drawings and paintings of Eastern Seaboard Indians at the time of colonization suggest to be that they are significantly European in ancestry compared with Plains Indians and the rather Cambodian looking Indians of the Southwest and points South. Many Virginians are quite proud of their descent from Powhatan. As in all things genealogical, however, it simply requires a slip of the pen or an illicit affair to change the complexion as it were of the discussion.

Oh, and fuck you.

I saw what you did in this post and the last one, you are trying to make an excuse for Warren, she has yet to prove either in a BC or any official document that she is a Indian. Just face it she lied like obama did to get into college. I would pay real money to see obama's transcripts.

Eupher
10-09-2012, 01:38 PM
I never asked to see his birth certificate, but I did see his drivers license and you had to present your birth certificate to get your drivers license. I know he identified himself as white in school and work, he and I mocked his sister for claiming to be a minority when she applied to the CIA.

I'm not sure what your point is. My point was that just because someone identifies as "white" doesn't mean he is, and God knows these days declaring yourself to be a "Native American" could mean almost anything. Personally, I'm not sure that "Native American" is a racial classification. The drawings and paintings of Eastern Seaboard Indians at the time of colonization suggest to be that they are significantly European in ancestry compared with Plains Indians and the rather Cambodian looking Indians of the Southwest and points South. Many Virginians are quite proud of their descent from Powhatan. As in all things genealogical, however, it simply requires a slip of the pen or an illicit affair to change the complexion as it were of the discussion.

Oh, and fuck you.

Wow. The hostility. :frown-new:

The article does say:


But just to put another piece of evidence on the table, real Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes (http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/) has come up a newspaper clipping from the Muskogee Times Democrat on August 17, 1906.

Poking holes in stories that exceed 100 years old must be fun for you. I actually agree with you that the precision in journalism wasn't then what it is now.

Or is it?

I guess that's why there are journalistic mea culpas that are commonly called "retractions" and "corrections."

Even in 1906.

m00
10-09-2012, 05:44 PM
The drawings and paintings of Eastern Seaboard Indians at the time of colonization suggest to be that they are significantly European in ancestry compared with Plains Indians and the rather Cambodian looking Indians of the Southwest and points South. Many Virginians are quite proud of their descent from Powhatan. As in all things genealogical, however, it simply requires a slip of the pen or an illicit affair to change the complexion as it were of the discussion.

So, don't take this the wrong way... but I'm not sure if it's sound methodology to base your racial theories on how a given indigenous tribe appears in drawings and paintings done by different colonial Europeans at different times.

Based on that logic I guess Africans living here:

http://www.diaspora.uiuc.edu/news1206/HandlerFig4.jpg

have far more significant European ancestry than Africans living here:

http://thefoodiebugle.com/uploads/files/african_18th_century_women.jpg

Novaheart
10-10-2012, 12:30 AM
I saw what you did in this post and the last one, you are trying to make an excuse for Warren, she has yet to prove either in a BC or any official document that she is a Indian. Just face it she lied like obama did to get into college. I would pay real money to see obama's transcripts.

Both before and after it became fashionable to have Amerindian ancestry, many people have been raised in the belief that they are in some part Amerindian. Few of these people can actually prove it to my satisfaction, and even fewer can establish it with certainty.

You talk about this like it's some sort of concrete. It's not. There are Indian tribes which are not recognized. Most place didn't issue birth certificates until the late 19th or early 20th century. Prior to that, the most reliable record of race that we have is the US Census, which recorded the race of the person counted, and the birthplace of his parents. If his parents were living, their race was recorded as well.

I'm saying that I don't find it surprising that someone who could pass for white, passed for white. We know for a fact that some of the descendants of Sally Heming have been passing for white for generations. There was a high price to be paid for being nonwhite in the past. No one in his right mind would identify himself as all or part Indian if it meant that his children couldn't go to school or that his family would suffer.

Again, if you think this is concrete then I encourage you to go to the Florida Department of Corrections database, offender search, and do a search for white male hair color black eye color black.

Examples:

Thien N Ho

Ivan Menendez

PHAPHONEXAY, MARK L

SON, LE V

NJCardFan
10-10-2012, 02:24 AM
Oh, and fuck you.

http://whitsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/u-mad-1.jpg

Novaheart
10-10-2012, 10:19 AM
http://whitsblog.com............. 2/02/u-mad-1.jpg

Of course not. Do you never read what is being responded to? If you had, you wouldn't have started that stupid thread in the Thunderdome. Returning a gratuitous insult is mockery. Some idiot with a psychology degree would call it mirroring.

Rockntractor
10-10-2012, 11:10 AM
Last poll Warren 45, Brown 48


Sad Indian cautiously optimistic.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/crying2Bindiancopy.jpg

NJCardFan
10-10-2012, 12:35 PM
Of course not. Do you never read what is being responded to? If you had, you wouldn't have started that stupid thread in the Thunderdome. Returning a gratuitous insult is mockery. Some idiot with a psychology degree would call it mirroring.

http://whitsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/u-mad-1.jpg

NJCardFan
10-10-2012, 12:36 PM
Last poll Warren 45, Brown 48


Sad Indian cautiously optimistic.
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/crying2Bindiancopy.jpg

Except that particular "Indian" is Italian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody

Novaheart
10-10-2012, 01:01 PM
I looked up 0blowme's (fake) birth certificate and only the race of the alleged father and mother are shown. Then I looked at my (real) birth certificate and only the race of my mother and father are shown. Are you sure that your Flip boyfriends race is shown on his birth certificate or is this another case of liberal lies?

It's my understanding that while many Filipinos use the term "flip" affectionately, it remains an offensive term.

Rockntractor
10-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Except that particular "Indian" is Italian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody

Yes I know that NJ.

Unreconstructed Reb
10-11-2012, 12:20 PM
It's my understanding that while many Filipinos use the term "flip" affectionately, it remains an offensive term.

Red herring. Address the birth certificate issue, twinkletoes.