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Janice
10-04-2012, 08:57 PM
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Was Obama rattled by developing donor scandal story?

President Obama reelection campaign, rattled by his Wednesday night debate performance, could be in for even worse news. According to knowlegable sources, a national magazine and a national web site are preparing a blockbuster donor scandal story.

Sources told Secrets that the Obama campaign has been trying to block the story. But a key source said it plans to publish the story Friday or, more likely, Monday.

According to the sources, a taxpayer watchdog group conducted a nine-month investigation into presidential and congressional fundraising and has uncovered thousands of cases of credit card solicitations and donations to Obama and Capitol Hill, allegedly from unsecure accounts, and many from overseas. That might be a violation of federal election laws.

The Obama campaign has received hundreds of millions in small dollar donations, many via credit card donations through their website. On Thursday, the campaign announced a record September donor haul of $150 million.

At the end of the 2008 presidential campaign, the Obama-Biden effort was hit with a similar scandal. At the time, the Washington Post reported that the Obama campaign let donors use "largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity."

WashingtonExaminer (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2509895/#.UG4npkY_i32)
Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations (2008) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102803413.html?sub=AR)

Hawkgirl
10-04-2012, 11:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the donations came from Lebanon and Palestine (Hamas and Hezbollah). It would explain Obama's snub of Netanyahu. Nothing really surprises me anymore when it comes to Obama and his team.

Novaheart
10-05-2012, 10:32 AM
If Citizen United liberated corporations to spend as much money as they want, then how exactly do you differentiate between Exxon money that is domestic and Exxon money that is foreign?

There should be no foreign money in US politics. I think we can all agree on that. Speaking of foreign money, when people such as Romney hide money overseas, is it still American money?

djones520
10-05-2012, 10:35 AM
If Citizen United liberated corporations to spend as much money as they want, then how exactly do you differentiate between Exxon money that is domestic and Exxon money that is foreign?

There should be no foreign money in US politics. I think we can all agree on that. Speaking of foreign money, when people such as Romney hide money overseas, is it still American money?

Come on Nova, stop with the stupid... you knows it's gotta mean something when I'm saying it.


As for the story, wasn't this pretty big in the last election as well, and nothing at all came of it?

m00
10-05-2012, 10:36 AM
There should be no foreign money in US politics. I think we can all agree on that. Speaking of foreign money, when people such as Romney hide money overseas, is it still American money?

Is Romney an American?

Novaheart
10-05-2012, 11:30 AM
Come on Nova, stop with the stupid... you knows it's gotta mean something when I'm saying it.


As for the story, wasn't this pretty big in the last election as well, and nothing at all came of it?

OK, so the Romney offshore bank thing is a little over the top. But I don't think it's "stupid" to question what protections are in place to keep foreign money from being spent in US elections (not to mention lobbying) when you have multinational corporations whose loyaties are more than suspect, as well as foreign corporations masquerading as US corporations behind " ... America" shells.

The other day I spent some time on the internet trying to figure out if Vallero is a US corporation. People swearing up and down that it was or it wasn't. Vallero itself claiming to be a US corporation, but at the same time not quite saying, "American owned and operated."

Novaheart
10-05-2012, 11:31 AM
Is Romney an American?

IS George Soros?

m00
10-05-2012, 11:35 AM
IS George Soros?

My point is this. Even though I live abroad and I'm paid in a foreign currency by a foreign company and held in a foreign bank and pay foreign income tax (although Obama wants to take an additional 5%), I can still contribute to political campaigns in the US because this is my right as an American citizen. Whether or not the money is American is immaterial.

I'm really curious about Romney's stance on making US citizens abroad pay US income tax in addition to the income tax in the place they live/work. Because I have no US assets/property/address, I pay no US income tax (I pay about 40% to the Canadian + Quebec governments :p). But it's one of those things that the Democrats have been talking about for ages.

Gina
10-05-2012, 09:25 PM
"Hiding money". Not very well hidden since everyone knows about it.

Kennedy, Clinton and many others both D and R I'm sure. If you don't like it then demand the law change, so that people can't "hide" their money. Smacking Romney about it is stupid, he's NOT BREAKING THE LAW.

Rockntractor
10-05-2012, 09:35 PM
"Hiding money". Not very well hidden since everyone knows about it.

Kennedy, Clinton and many others both D and R I'm sure. If you don't like it then demand the law change, so that people can't "hide" their money. Smacking Romney about it is stupid, he's NOT BREAKING THE LAW.

He seems incapable of remaining on topic lately, must be medication of some sort.

Janice
10-08-2012, 09:19 PM
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How Much of Obama's $181 Million September Haul Was Illegal?

The Obama campaign released news on Saturday morning of a holiday weekend, that it had raised a massive $181 million in September. It's a staggering sum heading into the final month of campaigning. It almost equals his fundraising for July and August combined. But details about Obama's fundraising windfall and a new report this morning from the Government Accountability Institute (GAI) raise troubling questions. Specifically, how much of this fundraising was illegal?

GAI found that Obama's donation page doesn't use any industry-standard credit card security measures. It doesn't even use the basic Card Verification Value (CVV), the security number on the back of a card, that most other campaigns use. Not using this basic security measure makes it much easier for phantom donations or even foreigners to contribute illegally to the Obama campaign.

In 2008, persons named "Doodad Pro", "Test Person" and "Good Will," for example, made donations to the Obama campaign. "Doodad Pro" made an amazing 791 separate donations to the campaign, totaling almost $20k -- far above the donation limits. Some of this came to light four years ago, yet the campaign hasn't put in place any kind of security measures.

It isn't an oversight but a conscious decision to not use CVV security. In fact, credit card companies charge the campaign higher fees because it doesn't use this. So, the campaign is paying millions of dollars more in fees than it would not to have basic security.

Tellingly, the Obama campaign does use CVV security in its merchandise store. They utilize higher standards of security to purchase a coffee mug than making an on-line donation. Thus, the campaign has chosen to use two different payment systems on its site. Odd, eh?

It certainly adds important context to the campaign's announcement that it raised over $180 million in September. >>>

Shockingly, almost half the traffic to the Obama campaign website is from foreign sources. More amazingly, Obama.com, which simply redirects to the Obama donation page, gets almost 70% of its traffic from foreign sources.

And, although the Obama campaign owns hundreds of domain names with various iterations on Obama's name, it doesn't own Obama.com. That site is owned by an American businessman living in China with close ties to the Chinese government. The businessman, Peter Roche, has been to the White House 19 times since Obama took office and even snagged a seat at the head table for the State Dinner for the Chinese premier. >>>

The Obama campaign gets enormous traffic to its site from overseas. Its donation page, unlike its merchandise store, is explicitly set up to not have any basic security or verification systems. It even pays extra money to not have the security features. It obviously feels it derives some benefit from this, but why and how?

Obviously, some portion of the $90 million the campaign raised from small donors is probably illegal. The question is, how much?

Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/08/how-much-of-obamas-181-million-haul-is-illegal)

Rockntractor
10-08-2012, 09:27 PM
Campaign donation laws only pertain to white people, at least that's what the department of social justice will tell you.

If we somehow pull a win out of all this illegal bullshit most of the DOJ and FBI will have to be fired and many jailed and we will have to start over.

ABC in Georgia
10-09-2012, 12:51 PM
Wow!

I love this news story, I really do!

Please, please pray that both, Ryan brings this up with Biden on Thursday, and Romney beats Obama over the head with it on the 16th.

Millions of O's supporters will be watching for sure ... hoping to see their "Come-back Kid" work his magic! Hah! ... :evil-grin:

The closer we get to this election, the better I am finally beginning to feel. This report will surely "grow legs" ... as you guys in here say ... and have some impact. Perhaps even some brave soul in the MSM will finally grow a spine and speak out against it.

I am feeling hopeful at least, that someone *will!*

Janice
10-09-2012, 04:12 PM
Obama Raises $181 Million In September As ‘Foreign-Donor-Gate’ Heats Up

The election of 2012 apparently has a “gate” of its own now that the scandal is finally making its way to some headlines from coast to coast – and probably even in the “foreign” press as well. Despite reported efforts on the part of the Obama White House to stop the story from spreading, it is now becoming common knowledge that there are improprieties in the massive donations being given to President Barack Obama regarding his reelection efforts in 2012.

As Obama and his campaign boast a $181-million month in September 2012 in fundraising, the story has now broken during the first week of this month which says that there is a scandal regarding the Obama campaign’s foreign donor situation. There is a lengthy report which says there is an incredibly huge amount of campaign donations coming from overseas. >>>

Besides the pathetically poor economy, the 7.8% unemployment rate which was promised to be closer to 5% by now via Obama’s stimulus jobs, foreign affairs and policies that have led to the horrendous anti-American stance throughout the Middle East, and the poor debate performance last Wednesday night in Denver against GOP presidential challenger Mitt Romney, President Obama now has a “gate” of his own of which he must contend.

The Washington Examiner news source was the first to report last week that the story would come to a head on Monday via a major magazine and national website. Allegedly, the details which Team Obama has unsuccessfully tried to block were covered-up, gate-style, last week, but are going being revealed this week. At the time this article is being written, all that is nearly-certain is that taxes as well as unsecured credit card transactions are involved with the foreign donation scandal. >>>

“Gate”-incidences have obviously not lost elections for presidents, but they have definitely destroyed presidencies. Thus far, this scandal is being swept under the political rug by the bulk of the media during the initial stages of the story. History has clearly dictated that such stories need to come out immediately – as the corruption is found.

CBSlocalnews (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/09/opinion-obama-raises-181-million-in-september-as-foreign-donor-gate-heats-up/)

m00
10-09-2012, 04:21 PM
Doesn't fit media narrative. I also guarantee you anyone who brings this up will be labelled a "birther" "conspiracy nut" etc.

Media narrative for over a year had Romney winning the convention, matching up against Obama, and Obama stomping him in a landslide. They were understandably annoyed when the 1st presidential debate didn't go according to the script.

Janice
10-09-2012, 10:03 PM
An interesting take on how they pulled it off in 2008 and may be doing it now:

http://i.imgur.com/Qa6b8.jpg

BLUE STATE DIGITAL: Is it the linchpin of the Obama campaign's foreign donor scandal?
Monday, October 08, 2012

On 30 October 2008, I wrote about a bizarre idiosyncrasy I discovered in the Obama fundraising website, which was designed by a company named Blue State Digital.


Will the innovations never cease? Yesterday I described several, eh, unique capabilities pioneered by the Obama campaign in the area of campaign contributions.

Among them, failure to do even basic credit-card validation; accepting untraceable prepaid credit cards... [etc.]

Anyhow, an anonymous tipster mentioned that checking out the source code of the Obama donation website... would reveal some interesting logic. Specifically that IP addresses of the donors can be easily spoofed through a hidden field in the form. The tipster's guess was (and I concur) that the Obama campaign is recording the spoofable IP address... not the real IP address as delivered by the web server.

It's web security 101, folks. Because IP addresses map back to the original source network (your ISP, your company, etc.), the web server's log-file records the actual source IP address of the request. They certainly don't record anything that the requester provides as the genuine address.

Put simply, there's no reason to include a hidden form field for IP address. It is there for one reason alone: IP forgery -- forging the computer addresses of donations to disguise their true sources.

The net result is that IP addresses recorded in this manner can't truly be resolved to a real location. Genius!

Just chalk it up to yet another startling innovation from the minds of the most creative geniuses on Earth. When it comes to accepting money from all comers, that is.




Ace of Spades reminded me of this outfit today when it noted a strange cleanup performed by the Obama campaign >>>

Continued (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/10/blue-state-digital-is-it-key-to-obama.html)

AmPat
10-10-2012, 07:56 PM
Speaking of foreign money, when people such as Romney hide money overseas, is it still American money?

Why don't you ask some of those rich libertards, they do it too?:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
10-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Media narrative for over a year had Romney winning the convention, matching up against Obama, and Obama stomping him in a landslide. They were understandably annoyed when the 1st presidential debate didn't go according to the script.

Do you think the media forced Rooney's nomination and that somehow voters didn't choose him in the primaries, that some how conservatives only vote for who the liberal media chooses for us?

Adam Wood
10-10-2012, 09:35 PM
Do you think the media forced Rooney's nomination and that somehow voters didn't choose him in the primaries, that some how conservatives only vote for who the liberal media chooses for us?Well they sure as hell helped matters along, mainly because they thought that Romney would be a walkover for Obama. They were definitely willing accomplices in the slander of Herman Cain, for example. And they definitely did a number on Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachmann, at the very least.

Rockntractor
10-10-2012, 09:53 PM
Well they sure as hell helped matters along, mainly because they thought that Romney would be a walkover for Obama. They were definitely willing accomplices in the slander of Herman Cain, for example. And they definitely did a number on Gingrich, Santorum, and Bachmann, at the very least.

They pretty much went after whoever was at the top of the heap in turn, they don't like any conservatives.
I voted for Cain, Oklahoma voted for Cain, unfortunately there were more people in more states that wanted Romney.

Janice
10-21-2012, 10:13 AM
Obama campaign accepted foreign Web donation -- and may be hiding more

The Obama re-election campaign has accepted at least one foreign donation in violation of the law — and does nothing to check on the provenance of millions of dollars in other contributions, a watchdog group alleges.

Chris Walker, a British citizen who lives outside London, told The Post he was able to make two $5 donations to President Obama’s campaign this month through its Web site while a similar attempt to give Mitt Romney cash was rejected. It is illegal to knowingly solicit or accept money from foreign citizens.

Walker said he used his actual street address in England but entered Arkansas as his state with the Schenectady, NY, ZIP code of 12345.

“When I did Romney’s, the payment got rejected on the grounds that the address on the card did not match the address that I entered,” he said. “Romney’s Web site wanted the code from the back of card. Barack Obama’s didn’t.”

In September, Obama’s campaign took in more than $2 million from donors who provided no ZIP code or incomplete ZIP codes, according to data posted on the Federal Election Commission Web site. >>>

The Obama campaign’s apparent lack of safeguards makes it possible to violate the law, says a report released by the Government Accountability Institute, a Florida-based watchdog group.

The report found that one Obama site — Obama.com — gets almost half of its traffic from foreign computer addresses. The site directs users to an Obama donation page.

“We are not suggesting that just foreign traffic by itself is a problem,” said Peter Schweizer, president of the GAI. “But for a campaign that is very sophisticated in its fund-raising capabilities, they do not make one effort to try to even see or ask somebody to check a box that says they are a US citizen.”

Obama’s re-election campaign took in $130,867 from donors who provided no ZIP codes and $2 million from those with incomplete ZIPs in September.

That same month, Romney’s campaign recorded $2,450 from donors without ZIP codes and $2,500 from those with incomplete ZIPs.

Walker said it should have been clear to the Obama campaign’s computers that his donations came from a computer with a foreign IP address. >>>

The Obama campaign says it “screens all credit-card contributions that originate from a foreign IP address” and requests proof of citizenship if questions arise.

But not only did Walker’s Obama donations go through, but he said he began receiving two to three e-mail solicitations a day to give more. The e-mails asked for $188 or more.

If Walker gave $188, his total contribution to Obama would be $198 — less than the $200 threshold at which campaigns have to identify the donor to the FEC.

“I have not had any e-mails asking for proof of identity,” Walker said.

The GAI report found the Obama campaign Web sites do not ask donors to provide their three-digit card-verification value, or CVV, numbers to ensure they are the legitimate holders of the card. Romney’s campaign asks for such information, which is considered a standard security measure.

One conduit for Obama donations is Obama.com, which was registered in 2008 to Robert Roche, an American who lives and works in China, where he owns an infomercial company.

Roche is also a bundler for the Obama campaign and was given a seat at the head table for a 2011 state dinner with the Chinese president

The GAI report said that the site registration was changed in 2010 to make it anonymous and that it was unclear whether Roche still owns it.

Roche’s mother in Chicago referred calls to the Obama campaign. The campaign declined to comment.

NYPost (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_blind_eye_to_illegal_donors_8SWotytr1RvbhyDCRy yrEL)

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