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Carol
10-16-2012, 11:19 PM
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Atman (24,829 posts)

I'm watching Fox News for debate follow-up.

Not too many cheerleaders for Romney. Their biggest concern is that Obama might have been too mean.

Read: Obama nailed this if that's all they can come up with!


Meaning that FOX gave both the good and poor points of BOTH candidated instead of cheerleading for one like the alphabet soup networks, CNN and MSNBC.

On DU they are crowing about how well Obama did, Romney lost, blah, blah, blah.

But they were making their plans all afternoon....and crowing about it....if Obama simply showed up they were going to cheer, yell and scream that he had won, so DU claiming Obama won has no meaning.

A psychology major could do a facinating research project on DU about group think, peer pressure and intimidation of peers. It wouldn't speak well of them, that's for sure.

Note that the OP is our delusional "friend" atman.

SaintLouieWoman
10-16-2012, 11:32 PM
Unfortunately, Obama lied too much. I'm sure there will be many ads coming up featuring the Prince of Liar's whoppers.

Fox News is about the only fair network around. That moderator was a disgrace, but she at least attempted to contain Obama's rudeness. He's a bully. I hope that the women of America noticed it. He was rude and obnoxious, not liking that someone called him on his lies.

I was surprised the wimp tried to play big man and confront Romney. He minded me of a spoiled little kid having a hissy fit.

Elspeth
10-17-2012, 12:28 AM
Do people who are undecided voters at this late date even KNOW what lies passed under the radar tonight? I hate the fact that the election may come down to a group of people who are too stupid to read a newspaper.

Rockntractor
10-17-2012, 12:46 AM
Do people who are undecided voters at this late date even KNOW what lies passed under the radar tonight? I hate the fact that the election may come down to a group of people who are too stupid to read a newspaper.

You are probably right, with as close as this election is it will probably come down to who's physical appearence is the most pleasing this last month and have no bearing on what is true or false.

Elspeth
10-17-2012, 12:50 AM
You are probably right, with as close as this election is it will probably come down to who's physical appearence is the most pleasing this last month and have no bearing on what is true or false.

I think if you're undecided 3 weeks before the election, after 2 years of a campaign, you should have to abstain from voting.

Odysseus
10-17-2012, 08:33 AM
I think if you're undecided 3 weeks before the election, after 2 years of a campaign, you should have to abstain from voting.

Most of the undecideds at this point, a least in NY, where they filld the town hall crowd, are former Obama voters who ae feeling buyer's remorse, but haven't quite made the leap to abandon him. The African American man who asked Obama what he'd done to deserve his vote again should have been a slap in the face to Obama, since this was his core demographic basically telling him that he was on the verge of quitting him. That guy was demonstrating to whites that it's okay to question supporting Obama a second time. The one thing that Obama cannot win without are guilty whites who voted for him because they thought that he would heal the national racial divide. If a black man gives them sanction to vote against him, many of them will.

Elspeth
10-17-2012, 11:51 AM
The African American man who asked Obama what he'd done to deserve his vote again should have been a slap in the face to Obama, since this was his core demographic basically telling him that he was on the verge of quitting him. That guy was demonstrating to whites that it's okay to question supporting Obama a second time. The one thing that Obama cannot win without are guilty whites who voted for him because they thought that he would heal the national racial divide. If a black man gives them sanction to vote against him, many of them will.

You have to understand that Obama has done very little for blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus has been very upset with him. The large scale poverty of 2/3 of black America needs to be addressed and the CBC thought a black president might, naturally, care about this. The surest sign that Oblahblah and Mooshelle come from privilege is indicated by their complete lack of concern for the African American poor. Was it Romney who pointed out that black unemployment was more exacerbated by the economic problems these past four years than white unemployment? I'm fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember him pointing out something in this regard.

AmPat
10-17-2012, 01:17 PM
You have to understand that Obama has done very little for blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus has been very upset with him. The large scale poverty of 2/3 of black America needs to be addressed and the CBC thought a black president might, naturally, care about this. The surest sign that Oblahblah and Mooshelle come from privilege is indicated by their complete lack of concern for the African American poor. Was it Romney who pointed out that black unemployment was more exacerbated by the economic problems these past four years than white unemployment? I'm fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember him pointing out something in this regard.

I predict O Blather will win the Black (and Jewish) vote by huge majorities. Facts don't matter with the typical DIMoRAT demographic.

SarasotaRepub
10-17-2012, 03:53 PM
I predict O Blather will win the Black (and Jewish) vote by huge majorities. Facts don't matter with the typical DIMoRAT demographic.


So very sad but probably true. oBAMA could spit in their faces and they'd still vote for him. And the white guilt excuse is really stupid but I know a few dimwits that fit this category.

Odysseus
10-17-2012, 05:03 PM
I predict O Blather will win the Black (and Jewish) vote by huge majorities. Facts don't matter with the typical DIMoRAT demographic.

He will, but the real question is how many of those voters will turn out? Black and Jewish enthusiasm for Obama is dropping. Those who can be bothered to vote will vote for him, but those who are as discouraged as the guy who asked him the question are going to stay home.


You have to understand that Obama has done very little for blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus has been very upset with him. The large scale poverty of 2/3 of black America needs to be addressed and the CBC thought a black president might, naturally, care about this. The surest sign that Oblahblah and Mooshelle come from privilege is indicated by their complete lack of concern for the African American poor. Was it Romney who pointed out that black unemployment was more exacerbated by the economic problems these past four years than white unemployment? I'm fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember him pointing out something in this regard.

No argument. This is why I think that he's in trouble.

Elspeth
10-17-2012, 05:34 PM
No argument. This is why I think that he's in trouble.

"Voter ID" will be used as cover for his loss in minority neighborhoods.

AmPat
10-17-2012, 05:39 PM
He will, but the real question is how many of those voters will turn out? Black and Jewish enthusiasm for Obama is dropping. Those who can be bothered to vote will vote for him, but those who are as discouraged as the guy who asked him the question are going to stay home.
No argument. This is why I think that he's in trouble.

I believe this to be true. The really sad thing is they won't go the extra mile and vote for Romney. Staying home is much better than voting for OBlather.

Elspeth
10-17-2012, 08:09 PM
He will, but the real question is how many of those voters will turn out? Black and Jewish enthusiasm for Obama is dropping. Those who can be bothered to vote will vote for him, but those who are as discouraged as the guy who asked him the question are going to stay home.

No argument. This is why I think that he's in trouble.


Well lookie here: Black Americans Feel Less Empowered Under Obama Than They Once Did (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/10/17/study-black-americans-feel-less-empowered-under-obama-than-they-once-did)

A new study from Washington University in St. Louis finds that under Obama, many black Americans feel less free than whites when it comes to political participation....

The study found that while the election of Obama initially boosted feelings of political empowerment among black Americans, those sentiments significantly faded in the years that followed—especially among conservative and religious blacks.

These two groups make up a large segment of the black population, with 56 percent of blacks identifying as "born again," and 39 percent of blacks as "somewhat conservative," according to the study.

"First we saw the 'empowerment effect,' the boost that happens when a member of your group gets elected to an important political position," says study author James L. Gibson, a professor of government and African-American studies at Washington University. Gibson's findings are based on national surveys conducted between 2005 and 2011.

In 2009, the year after Obama was elected, 71 percent of blacks reported feeling as free to speak one's mind as they used to.

"But then perceptions of political freedom deteriorated among conservative and religious blacks," says Gibson. By 2011, the percentage of blacks who felt as free to speak their mind had dropped to 56 percent, back to pre-Obama levels. (White Americans also reported feeling less free to speak one's mind under Obama, but the decline was far less than among blacks).

In part, says Gibson, this can be attributed to "ideological polarization." That split may have begun when Obama dismissed Pennsylvania voters in 2008 who "cling to guns or religion." But Gibson says many conservative and religions blacks likely believed when Obama was first elected that he would protect their interests as president. "Race produces a level of trust and confidence that one is on your side," he says.

Over time, that confidence eroded. Gibson cites the contraception debate between the White House and some religious leaders that erupted last year. Black Americans, he notes, are traditionally conservative on social issues.


Another schism may have centered on gay marriage. The Democratic-leaning Coalition of African-American Pastors, for example, recently said they felt "marginalized" and "ignored" by Obama's seemingly sudden support for same-sex marriage.

Religious fundamentalists and conservative blacks, Gibson says, "have seen their efforts to participate in public life [under Obama] being thwarted over and over and over again."

Adam Wood
10-18-2012, 01:50 AM
You have to understand that Obama has done very little for blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus has been very upset with him. The large scale poverty of 2/3 of black America needs to be addressed and the CBC thought a black president might, naturally, care about this. The surest sign that Oblahblah and Mooshelle come from privilege is indicated by their complete lack of concern for the African American poor. Was it Romney who pointed out that black unemployment was more exacerbated by the economic problems these past four years than white unemployment? I'm fuzzy on this, but I seem to remember him pointing out something in this regard.I tell every Black person I can find that Obama personally raised the price of a pack of Newports by a dollar. That tends to stop them dead in their tracks.