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Odysseus
10-19-2012, 04:15 PM
BREAKING: IBD: Romney Leads 44-40 Among Likely Jewish Voters!October 11, 2012 3:38 PM by Jacob Kornbluh (http://gestetnerupdates.com/author/jacob-kornbluh/)
http://gestetnerupdates.com/2012/10/11/breaking-ibd-romney-leads-44-40-among-likely-jewish-voters/



http://gestetnerupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Capture3-552x360.jpg (http://gestetnerupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Capture3.jpg) Partial Screenshot of the IBD Poll
*Small sample size. Interpret with caution

Despite losing some ground to Obama in the TIPP/IBD’s Daily tracking poll of Oct. 11, the poll of likely votes shows a dramatic, unprecedented shift among likely Jewish voters, with Romney overtaking the lead from President Obama for the first time.

According to the 5 day polling sample, taken after the denver debate, Mitt Romney garners support from 44 percent to Obama’s 40 percent. 16 percent remain undecided.


American Thinker's analysis follows. All I can say is, "Let my people vote!"



October 18, 2012
Obama, Oy Vey! American Jews Finally Have Had Enough
By Stella Paul

"Two Jews, three opinions" goes the famous joke. And every day, more of those opinions turn pro-Romney, as American Jews increasingly reject the collapsing presidency of Barack Hussein Obama.

Romney's surging poll numbers in the crucial state of Florida reflect his growing success with Bubbie Molly and her unemployed grandson Adam, who both thought their right hand would wither if it ever pulled the lever for a Republican.

The signs and portents are everywhere, beginning with the special election of a Republican in Anthony Weiner's heavily Jewish, New York congressional district one year ago. Now a startling new poll even has Romney performing the ultimate miracle: the parting of the blue states, winning the Jewish vote by a healthy 44% to 40%!

Florida activist Alan Bergstein described his recent experience advocating for Romney in the Jewish stronghold of Delray Beach. "Of about 100 entering and leaving the Bagel Tree eatery in that plaza, we ran into only two Democrats and loads and loads of Romney supporters. They stopped to talk to us, to congratulate us and to support us with their views of the Ryan/Biden debate. They were militant and fearless."

What's driving the Jewish exodus from the Democratic Party? Like everyone else, Jews are singing the bad economy blues. But they're also increasingly acknowledging the uncomfortable facts about Obama's hostility towards Israel and its Jewish supporters.

"Absolutely Uncertain," a 20-minute YouTube video starring 23-year-old Irina, a disillusioned Obama voter who analyzes the president's harsh treatment of Israel, racked up an astonishing 650,000 views in just three days. The Republican Jewish Coalition's video, "Perilous Times," is closing in on a million views, as anxious Jewish voters seek information outside the mainstream media to understand the accelerating nuclear threat to Israel from Iran.

And a new boldness is entering the Jewish conversation. The Simon Wiesenthal Center just publicly requested that Obama cut off all contact with the Muslim Brotherhood and condemn its anti-Semitic calls for jihad against Israel. "[Supreme Guide Mohammed] Badie's rant confirms our long held view that Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood is the most dangerous anti-Semitic organization in the world today," said Rabbis Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper, the Center's founder and dean and associate dean.

"We are not dealing with a YouTube video or a lone extremist Imam, but a call to anti-Semitic violence by a man who has tens of millions of followers and leads the organization that controls Egypt's future. It cannot be business as usual in Washington when such an assault is launched against the Jewish people," they added.

Since Obama's foreign policy centers on courting the Muslim Brotherhood, he's more likely to leave Michelle and run off with Sarah Palin than he is to honor Wiesenthal's request. Nevertheless, a leading Jewish organization, founded by a survivor of the Nazi death camps to combat global anti-Semitism, has now publicly challenged the president on his dangerous foreign policies.

Because American Jews take huge pride in their role in the civil rights movement, rejecting Obama feels especially painful. Obama seemed to embody their dream of expanding opportunity to oppressed racial minorities, a goal for which two American Jews sacrificed their lives in the violent Freedom Summer of 1964.

But Obama's failures grow too blatant to ignore, and so does his public antagonism to the only Jewish state. As Jews enter the sacred privacy of the voting booth, here are some images that will influence their choice:

The Democratic Party booing God and Jerusalem: At their national convention, Democratic leaders attempted to do undo the political damage of stripping all mention of God and Jerusalem as Israel's capital from their party platform. But when they asked for a floor vote to add God and Jerusalem to the platform, the delegates loudly booed - three times. As the cameras revealed the hate-filled faces of the jeering delegates, some Jews felt frightened by the ugly scene.

Obama's open contempt for Prime Minister Netanyahu: From the beginning of his presidency, Obama has seemed to enjoy humiliating Israel's elected leader. He walked out on Netanyahu in the White House, claiming he had to eat dinner, and refused to pose for an official photograph with him. Now, as Iran races to complete a nuclear weapon, Obama rejected Netanyahu's request for a meeting in New York, choosing to appear on The View instead. And when Netanyahu spoke at the United Nations, Obama instructed both Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Ambassador Susan Rice not to attend.

Fawning over the Jewish people's enemies: Obama bowed to the Saudi king, gave a high-profile speech in Cairo, apologizing to the Muslim world, and ordered NASA to make "Muslim outreach" its foremost priority. Over the objections of Congress, he gave at least $1.5 billion to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which advocates for "holy jihad" against Israel. And when Muslim terrorists murdered our Libyan ambassador, Obama responded with a speech at the UN, in which he stated, "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

Appointment of anti-Semites to high government positions: Obama just appointed a Muslim leader who blames Israel for the 9/11 attacks to serve as US delegate to a Warsaw human rights conference. Salam al-Marayati, president of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), openly supports Hizbollah and Hamas. Al-Marayati is only the latest of Obama officials hostile to Israel, including foreign policy advisor Samantha Power and UN Ambassador Susan Rice.

Obama's long association with anti-Semites: Obama spent 20 years in the Chicago church of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who maintains, "The state of Israel is an illegal, genocidal...place." Obama's biggest contributor is George Soros, who is a prime funder of anti-Israel NGOs. And Obama's close association with Palestinian activist Rashid Khalidi is still being kept under wraps by the Los Angeles Times, which refuses to release a video of a reportedly inflammatory toast to Khalidi by Obama at a 2003 dinner. Breitbart News is offering a $100,000 reward to anyone with a copy of the tape.

Iran's Growing Nuclear Capabilities: Obama has seemed more interested in deterring Israel from defending itself than in stopping Iran. His Chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff explicitly stated he doesn't want to be "complicit" in an Israeli attack on Iran, implying such an attack would be criminal. Now counter-terrorism expert Reza Kahlili is reporting that Obama's emissaries have struck a secret "October surprise" deal with Iran, in which Iran will announce a halt to their uranium enrichment, in order to enhance Obama's presidential prospects. The deal reportedly was negotiated in Qatar with former Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Velyati, who's wanted by Argentina for the Jewish community center bombing in Buenos Aires in 1994 that killed 85 people. If Obama has lost the trust of Jewish voters, they may not dismiss these reports as completely impossible.

As every day brings another "Oy vey!," American Jews are finally fed up. It takes a lot or Democrats to lose their iron-grip on the Jewish vote, but this is one challenge Obama seems capable of meeting.

Stella Paul's new ebook is What I Miss About America: Reflections from the Golden Age of Hope and Change, available at Amazon for just $1.99. You can find out more information at www.WeMissAmerica.com. Write Stella at Stellapundit@aol.com.


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Hawkgirl
10-19-2012, 04:23 PM
But 16 percent are undecided.

There is a big effort going on down here in the Boca Raton area aimed at the Jewish people. "oy vey, had enough?" billboards by mybuyersremorse.com; Catering to the Jewish people from the Jewish people.

Starbuck
10-19-2012, 04:39 PM
Interesting that the Catholics, who would never-ever-ever-ever under any circumstances condone an abortion, are standing with Obama. Perhaps it is because, as he explained to the naive Notre Dame students, he is willing to "compromise".:smile-new:

Odysseus
10-20-2012, 02:45 PM
But 16 percent are undecided.

There is a big effort going on down here in the Boca Raton area aimed at the Jewish people. "oy vey, had enough?" billboards by mybuyersremorse.com; Catering to the Jewish people from the Jewish people.

That's still an astonishing margin. No Republican has ever led among Jews nationally before. Obama may have actually broken the Democratic lock on Jews.

djones520
10-20-2012, 02:50 PM
How are Catholics for this guy? He's voted for some of the most disgusting abortion stuff out there...

Elspeth
10-20-2012, 03:07 PM
How are Catholics for this guy? He's voted for some of the most disgusting abortion stuff out there...

Many Catholics are Joe Biden Catholics: they show up but don't really buy anything.

Novaheart
10-20-2012, 05:21 PM
How are Catholics for this guy? He's voted for some of the most disgusting abortion stuff out there...

According to videos, Romney isn't against abortion.

Rockntractor
10-20-2012, 05:27 PM
According to videos, Romney isn't against abortion.

I wasn't against abortion 30 years ago either, this will come as a shock to you Nancy but some peoples views change as they mature.

Novaheart
10-20-2012, 05:28 PM
There are 6,588,000 American citizens identified as Jewish.
74% are over 18 years of age.

That's 195,000 votes we're talking about, if my math is correct and assuming that everyone over 18 who is Jewish votes.

djones520
10-20-2012, 06:32 PM
There are 6,588,000 American citizens identified as Jewish.
74% are over 18 years of age.

That's 195,000 votes we're talking about, if my math is correct and assuming that everyone over 18 who is Jewish votes.

6588000 x .74 = 4875120
4875120 x .44 = 2145052

So if we assume that everyone over 18 is jewish, that would equate to 2.14 million votes. No clue where the hell your 195k came from. I'd recheck your math.

Odysseus
10-20-2012, 06:33 PM
There are 6,588,000 American citizens identified as Jewish.
74% are over 18 years of age.

That's 195,000 votes we're talking about, if my math is correct and assuming that everyone over 18 who is Jewish votes.

Three points. First, Jews are disproportionately represented in a handful of states, such as Florida, where we are 3.40% of the population. Second, Jews tend to be disproportionately active in politics, and we give time and money to campaigns in far greater amounts, per capita, than most other ethnic groups (84% of American Jews are registered to vote, while barely 60% of the general population is (http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-chapter-2.pdf)) . Third, Jews are among the most loyal Democratic constituencies. Jews are more likely to vote Democratic than any other group, with the exception of blacks and Latinos. The alienation of Jewish voters by Democrats means that Democrats are alienating a core constituency which is strategically placed in swing states and which gives more time and money to them than other groups. Alienating your most active and loyal supporters is a recipe for failure.

Novaheart
10-20-2012, 07:22 PM
6588000 x .74 = 4875120
4875120 x .44 = 2145052

So if we assume that everyone over 18 is jewish, that would equate to 2.14 million votes. No clue where the hell your 195k came from. I'd recheck your math.

44% of 4875120 = 2145052
40% of 4875120 = 1950048

2145052 - 1950048 = 195004

SaintLouieWoman
10-20-2012, 08:02 PM
That's still an astonishing margin. No Republican has ever led among Jews nationally before. Obama may have actually broken the Democratic lock on Jews.

At least Obama has one talent---accomplishing what no other Democrat has done. I never could understand how such an educated voting block could ever support the Democrats despite the issues. The other imponderable is how the Catholics are supporting Obama, although narrowly, despite what the priests are saying from the pulpit. They truly aren't following the core beliefs of their faith.

And have you noticed the disproportionate number of Obama support among people who align with no relgion at all? Amazing.

Novaheart
10-20-2012, 10:26 PM
At least Obama has one talent---accomplishing what no other Democrat has done. I never could understand how such an educated voting block could ever support the Democrats despite the issues. The other imponderable is how the Catholics are supporting Obama, although narrowly, despite what the priests are saying from the pulpit. They truly aren't following the core beliefs of their faith.

And have you noticed the disproportionate number of Obama support among people who align with no relgion at all? Amazing.

I would guess that if Romney were to clearly state that he has no designs on further restricting abortion and would endorse gay rights, he would inarguably clear the 50% mark. By the same token, if Obama were to clearly state that he intends to enforce existing immigration laws, has no designs on amnesty, and supports an absolute read of the Second Amendment then he would sail past an unbeatable majority.

Both parties are allowing their extremes to run the platform, which makes moderates of both parties look like simpleminded party loyalists, when in fact they are give unacceptable choices.

Rockntractor
10-20-2012, 10:32 PM
Both parties are allowing their extremes to run the platform, which makes moderates of both parties look like simpleminded party loyalists, when in fact they are give unacceptable choices.

There is nothing extreme about Romney you idiot, you are such a leftist you don't even know what common sense or normal is.

Hawkgirl
10-20-2012, 11:27 PM
How are Catholics for this guy? He's voted for some of the most disgusting abortion stuff out there...

There are Catholics in name only. I'm not a perfect Catholic, I don't attend Mass every single Sunday, but I am a firm believer in the beliefs of the Catholic Church.

Odysseus
10-22-2012, 10:28 AM
I would guess that if Romney were to clearly state that he has no designs on further restricting abortion and would endorse gay rights, he would inarguably clear the 50% mark. By the same token, if Obama were to clearly state that he intends to enforce existing immigration laws, has no designs on amnesty, and supports an absolute read of the Second Amendment then he would sail past an unbeatable majority.

Both parties are allowing their extremes to run the platform, which makes moderates of both parties look like simpleminded party loyalists, when in fact they are give unacceptable choices.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "further" restrictions on abortion? At this point, abortion is permitted on demand, virtually unrestricted for the first and second trimesters. It's only in the third trimester that some states impose restrictions. Meanwhile, the Americans that have been aborted will not grow up, pay taxes or support the social programs that liberals demand, necessitating increased immigration in order to maintain unsustainable programs that were developed under the demographics of the previous century. What is extreme is aborting your future for the convenience of the moment.

Novaheart
10-22-2012, 03:41 PM
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "further" restrictions on abortion? At this point, abortion is permitted on demand, virtually unrestricted for the first and second trimesters. It's only in the third trimester that some states impose restrictions. Meanwhile, the Americans that have been aborted will not grow up, pay taxes or support the social programs that liberals demand, necessitating increased immigration in order to maintain unsustainable programs that were developed under the demographics of the previous century. What is extreme is aborting your future for the convenience of the moment.

Jesus, now you're OK with amnesty and open borders. But then you always were, weren't you?

Rockntractor
10-22-2012, 05:19 PM
Jesus, now you're OK with amnesty and open borders. But then you always were, weren't you?

Ody is a nice Jewish guy but he's not Jesus!http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-954910.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

Odysseus
10-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Jesus, now you're OK with amnesty and open borders. But then you always were, weren't you?

Hardly. Pointing out that this is the argument made by people that I emphatically disagree with doesn't make me an advocate for it. Advocates for amnesty and open borders claim that the alleged necessity of increasing the tax base to maintain benefits for Social Security and Medicare requires increased immigration. This was also the rationale behind the EU's open borders policy, which resulted in massive Islamic immigration, in the hope that they would take up the slack for the children that the Europeans couldn't be bothered to have. Of course, the Islamic immigrants ended up sucking down more social services than they would pay for in taxes, so that was not a viable course of action.


Ody is a nice Jewish guy but he's not Jesus!http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/confused/smileys-confused-954910.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I've had a couple of walk-on-water Officer Evaluations, though. :friendly_wink:

Novaheart
10-24-2012, 09:59 PM
Hardly. Pointing out that this is the argument made by people that I emphatically disagree with doesn't make me an advocate for it. Advocates for amnesty and open borders claim that the alleged necessity of increasing the tax base to maintain benefits for Social Security and Medicare requires increased immigration. This was also the rationale behind the EU's open borders policy, which resulted in massive Islamic immigration, in the hope that they would take up the slack for the children that the Europeans couldn't be bothered to have. Of course, the Islamic immigrants ended up sucking down more social services than they would pay for in taxes, so that was not a viable course of action.



I've had a couple of walk-on-water Officer Evaluations, though. :friendly_wink:

I take issue with the idea that people couldn't be bothered to have children. In reality it was a decision on the part of most people who thought they could give a better life to one or two than they could to four or more, or they saw it as socially irresponsible in light of the demands on the Earth's resources and it never occurred to them that all the wrong people were going to keep having uncontrolled reproduction.

There is no reason why we can't have a static population and the highest standard of living on the planet. We simply need to rid ourselves of domestic enemies, close our borders, and have some really hot military technology which allows us to fight large numbers of peasants at our gates with torches.

Odysseus
10-25-2012, 12:29 PM
I take issue with the idea that people couldn't be bothered to have children. In reality it was a decision on the part of most people who thought they could give a better life to one or two than they could to four or more, or they saw it as socially irresponsible in light of the demands on the Earth's resources and it never occurred to them that all the wrong people were going to keep having uncontrolled reproduction.

Take exception all you like, but it's true. The vast majority of abortions occur among single women, not married couples who are planning their families (and, btw, who tend not to abort unexpected children, unless the family is under other stresses, such as a separation).



Eighty percent of women having abortions are single; 60 percent are white; 35 percent are black.
Eighty-two percent of the women having abortions are unmarried or separated.
Almost half of American women (43 percent) will have an abortion sometime in their lifetime.


Sources: Planned Parenthood, National Center for Health Statistics
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html#ixzz2AKQE8jAb

Those single women are choosing death for their genes, rather than be "punished" with a baby (Barack Obama's term, not mine). They see children as an inconvenience, rather than an opportunity. They don't want to be restricted in their life choices, so they abort the inconvenient fetus. There is nothing "socially irresponsible" about having children that carry your values into the future. Not having children, and inculcating your values in them, and ensuring that they will have a future is the epitome of irresponsibility. It is the abrogation of the responsibility to shape the future.


There is no reason why we can't have a static population and the highest standard of living on the planet. We simply need to rid ourselves of domestic enemies, close our borders, and have some really hot military technology which allows us to fight large numbers of peasants at our gates with torches.

There is every reason why a static population cannot have a high standard of living. At our current ratio of workers to retirees, our entitlement programs are not sustainable. In order to make them sustainable, we need to increase the number of workers relative to the number of retirees. If we overhaul our retirement programs to allow for individual accounts, we will still need population growth the sustain the economic growth that makes it possible for those accounts to accrue interest. Static population = static economic performance and declining standards of living, as new products and services are less in demand than adjustments to existing products and services. We don't need new housing to accommodate a static population. Bandwidth for internet and cell phone apps doesn't increase exponentially if users don't. Eventually, static populations result in static markets, which then begin to decline.

Closing the borders is certainly the first step in reducing illegal immigration, but there is no reason why we should not be welcoming legal immigrants who bring skills and attitudes that serve America. The real solution is to eliminate the need for low-skilled, black market laborers, by eliminating our artificial rationing of labor via price supports and cartels.

m00
10-25-2012, 01:18 PM
But 16 percent are undecided.

There is a big effort going on down here in the Boca Raton area aimed at the Jewish people. "oy vey, had enough?" billboards by mybuyersremorse.com; Catering to the Jewish people from the Jewish people.

Unfortunately, I don't see this slogan as being very persuasive to Jewish voters.

Odysseus
10-25-2012, 02:06 PM
Unfortunately, I don't see this slogan as being very persuasive to Jewish voters.

Actually, it's pretty clever. Most American Jews are pretty secular, but we all know what Oy vey means, and it's a direct appeal to us that will get attention, and shows that other Jews have already made the leap. It provides sanction to break with a voting habit.

Even if the Jewish vote cuts 55/45 for Obama, that's a huge drop among Jews. If Romney gets a majority, which is possible, it's a slap in Obama's face.

m00
10-25-2012, 02:16 PM
Actually, it's pretty clever. Most American Jews are pretty secular, but we all know what Oy vey means, and it's a direct appeal to us that will get attention, and shows that other Jews have already made the leap. It provides sanction to break with a voting habit.

Even if the Jewish vote cuts 55/45 for Obama, that's a huge drop among Jews. If Romney gets a majority, which is possible, it's a slap in Obama's face.

I personally find it to be a bit stereotypical/clumsy/pandering, but maybe that's just me. I'd prefer a pro-Romney sign aimed at Jews would say something like (and it's obvious why I'm not a campaign slogan writer)... Want real Reform in government? Put on your tallit, it's time to vote Conservative.

Odysseus
10-25-2012, 04:10 PM
I personally find it to be a bit stereotypical/clumsy/pandering, but maybe that's just me. I'd prefer a pro-Romney sign aimed at Jews would say something like (and it's obvious why I'm not a campaign slogan writer)... Want real Reform in government? Put on your tallit, it's time to vote Conservative.

Nope. Wrong message. Too many Jews don't feel comfortable with religious trappings, and making it an overtly religious appeal will defeat the intent. Making a religious argument for conservatism doesn't work. Secular Jews already feel alienated from the religious ones, and they like it that way. You have to appeal to their cultural Judaism. That means that you have to hit the trappings of Judaism, not the core concepts, because the core concepts evoke unhip orthodox Jews.