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bijou
10-26-2012, 12:05 PM
Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack several hours later was denied by officials in the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Interna l+-+Politics+-+Text%29#ixzz2AQCy5rJ7)

djones520
10-26-2012, 12:27 PM
This is just getting uglier and uglier...

m00
10-26-2012, 12:34 PM
This is sad, tragic, and embarrassing. Not only did we needlessly sacrifice the lives of Americans in service to their county, but we also needlessly sacrificed our geopolitical credibility.

NJCardFan
10-26-2012, 01:08 PM
And sadder yet, with the help of his dog washing media myrmidons, no one outside of Fox News is calling Obama out for this. The MSM is going out of their way to sweep this under the rug. Politics once again is being put ahead of the truth. This is why I'm thankful there is a network like Fox News because if there wasn't, in this election cycle, we wouldn't be hearing nearly a 10th of the real truth.

FlaGator
10-26-2012, 01:13 PM
This is sad, tragic, and embarrassing. Not only did we needlessly sacrifice the lives of Americans in service to their county, but we also needlessly sacrificed our geopolitical credibility.

With the apparent orders for CIA operatives to stand down, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps this was a literal sacrifice to appease Obama's Muslim overlords.

m00
10-26-2012, 01:17 PM
With the apparent orders for CIA operatives to stand down, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps this was a literal sacrifice to appease Obama's Muslim overlords.

I'm not yet ready to attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. But maybe the evidence will prove me wrong here... if we ever get to see it.

SaintLouieWoman
10-26-2012, 01:26 PM
I'm not yet ready to attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. But maybe the evidence will prove me wrong here... if we ever get to see it.

I wouldn't count on ever seeing everything. I'm so disgusted with the road our country is taking that can't understand how anyone with any intelligence would vote for someone as vile as Obama and his crew. I think it's more than "mere" incompetence. There's that element there, but there's also a definite dark, evil component at work.

marv
10-26-2012, 01:40 PM
Saw that over at LegalInsurrection.com (http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/10/no-the-cia-is-not-going-to-take-the-fall-for-obama-on-libya-gate-part-2/).
My post there....

Marv | October 26, 2012 at 12:39 pm

Hmmm, was this “sacrifice” of an American ambassador a classic “quid pro quo” in the old Arabic tradition for UBL in order to “buy” some peace? I dunno, but the possibility exists.

In any event, the coverup was as amateurish as could be imagined.

SaintLouieWoman
10-26-2012, 01:49 PM
I couldn't finish reading the entire piece. It has me sick. How can the American people not call to question an administration guilty of such behavior?

If orders to stand down are disobeyed, the administration can punish them. But remember the Nuremburg trials, when the Germans were finally brought to trial for not standing up to commands that were clearly wrong?

There obviously are some involved who realize the evil of this cover up and refusal to stand by our people in harms' way. I guess Fox is one of the few to get these leaks. I'm sure if some of the MSM media outlets got this information, they'd call the evil administration and rat out the leaks. I never, ever thought that I'd see things going on like this in our country,

SarasotaRepub
10-26-2012, 01:50 PM
My disgust for this Administration just keeps growing. Thank God we have a Fox News or this shit would never have seen the light of day.

Lord oBAMA is to be protected and re-elected at any cost.

marv
10-26-2012, 02:30 PM
If orders to stand down are disobeyed, the administration can punish them. But remember the Nuremburg trials, when the Germans were finally brought to trial for not standing up to commands that were clearly wrong?
That's an excellent observation. Liberals have no past memory, and have no ability to estimate the future. They only see what gratifies them in the present.

Translating that into politics mean that they never learn from the mistakes of them or others. Then conservatives have to come along and fix the mess.



There obviously are some involved who realize the evil of this cover up and refusal to stand by our people in harms' way. I guess Fox is one of the few to get these leaks. I'm sure if some of the MSM media outlets got this information, they'd call the evil administration and rat out the leaks. I never, ever thought that I'd see things going on like this in our country,

I'm sure that the MSM had the same information. But since the MSM is in bed with this adminisration, well`, y'know..........

Hawkgirl
10-26-2012, 06:35 PM
Is Hillary still willing to take the fall for this?

SarasotaRepub
10-26-2012, 06:49 PM
Is Hillary still willing to take the fall for this?

She already did. The problam is, there is apparently no "fall". Can you imagine if this happened with President Bush???
The Libs would be storming the White House. With oBAMA...nothing. Except for Fox.

SaintLouieWoman
10-26-2012, 07:37 PM
I hope that they get Charles Wood on one of the MSM programs or on Fox, the only network with any guts. He is the father of one of the Seals killed in Benghazi.

A guy named Schnitz, who has a syndicated show out of Tampa, said today that another radio guy, I believe in the NW, had the father on today. He revealed that when Obama was standing with the families, as the coffins were being unloaded, Obama wouldn't look him in the eyes, muttered "sorry" and didn't seem to mean it. The father commented on how cold and unfeeling he was. He then said that Hillary was the same, only she used that damned tape excuse, "We'll arrest the guy who made that tape."

I don't care who gets thrown under the bus---both lousy Obama and Hillary are two of a kind. They're totally disgusting.

Hawkgirl
10-26-2012, 07:39 PM
She already did. The problam is, there is apparently no "fall". Can you imagine if this happened with President Bush???


The MSM don't even try to hide their bias anymore. They are comfortable with the support level they receive from their followers and don't care to report news the ethical way anymore.

Elspeth
10-26-2012, 07:44 PM
Upper level CIA told lower levels to stand down? Sent no help?

Smells like "false flag" to me. I know I said this before. More reason than ever to believe it.

SaintLouieWoman
10-26-2012, 09:19 PM
I hope that they get Charles Wood on one of the MSM programs or on Fox, the only network with any guts. He is the father of one of the Seals killed in Benghazi.

A guy named Schnitz, who has a syndicated show out of Tampa, said today that another radio guy, I believe in the NW, had the father on today. He revealed that when Obama was standing with the families, as the coffins were being unloaded, Obama wouldn't look him in the eyes, muttered "sorry" and didn't seem to mean it. The father commented on how cold and unfeeling he was. He then said that Hillary was the same, only she used that damned tape excuse, "We'll arrest the guy who made that tape."

I don't care who gets thrown under the bus---both lousy Obama and Hillary are two of a kind. They're totally disgusting.

Hannity had the father, Charles Wood, on his show. The dad repeated his feeling that something was fishy from the very beginning. He said that shaking Obama's hand was like shaking a dead fish. He said that he won't rest til he gets to the bottom of it. The father is a retired attorney.

I'm still shaking from the concept of those POS's watching in real time our people being killed. I just can't understand how any American could vote for Obama. He's an abomination.

Glad that Hannity got to this story and is hearing from the whistle blowers who can't live with themselves with the lies coming out and the cover up.

Rockntractor
10-26-2012, 09:20 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

Rockntractor
10-26-2012, 09:23 PM
President Obama Begs Off Answering Whether Americans in Benghazi Were Denied Requests for Help


In an interview with a Denver TV reporter Friday, President Obama twice refused to answer questions as to whether the Americans under siege in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012, were denied requests for help, saying he’s waiting for the results of investigations before making any conclusions about what went wrong.

After being asked about possible denials of requests for aid, and whether it’s fair to tell Americans that what happened is under investigation and won’t be released until after the election, the president said, “the election has nothing to do with four brave Americans getting killed and us wanting to find out exactly what happened. These are folks who served under me who I had sent to some very dangerous places. Nobody wants to find out more what happened than I do.”

President Obama told KUSA-TV’s Kyle Clarke large that “we want to make sure we get it right, particularly because I have made a commitment to the families impacted as well as to the American people, we’re going to bring those folks to justice. So, we’re going to gather all the facts, find out exactly what happened, and make sure that it doesn’t happen again but we’re also going to make sure that we bring to justice those who carried out these attacks.”

Clark pressed again.

“Were they denied requests for help during the attack?” he asked.

“Well, we are finding out exactly what happened,” the president again said. “I can tell you, as I’ve said over the last couple of months since this happened, the minute I found out what was happening, I gave three very clear directives. Number one, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. Number two, we’re going to investigate exactly what happened so that it doesn’t happen again. Number three, find out who did this so we can bring them to justice. And I guarantee you that everyone in the state department, our military, the CIA, you name it, had number one priority making sure that people were safe. These were our folks and we’re going to find out exactly what happened, but what we’re also going to do it make sure that we are identifying those who carried out these terrible attacks.”

Earlier today, Fox News’ Jennifer Griffin reported that CIA agents in the second U.S. compound in Benghazi were denied requests for help.

In response, CIA spokesperson Jennifer Youngblood said, “We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.”

-Jake Tapper
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/president-obama-begs-off-answering-whether-americans-in-benghazi-were-denied-requests-for-help/

SaintLouieWoman
10-26-2012, 09:41 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

Thanks, Rock. SR says to thank you, too, Both of us were disturbed that Petreaus would be involved with this. It looks like that floating finger of blame is pointing more and more toward the annointed one. Maybe he tried throwing the wrong people under that bus of his.

SarasotaRepub
10-26-2012, 09:46 PM
This smells more and more like either Hillary or oBAMA made this call, probably both.

Whoever is leaking this information deserves a medal...

Rockntractor
10-26-2012, 09:50 PM
Thanks, Rock. SR says to thank you, too, Both of us were disturbed that Petreaus would be involved with this. It looks like that floating finger of blame is pointing more and more toward the annointed one. Maybe he tried throwing the wrong people under that bus of his.

All of his people need to stop falling on their swords for Obama, I may think a lot of things about Hillary and it is no secret I do not like her, but I know if it was her decision she would not have stood and watched our ambassador being homosexually raped and murdered and not have done anything to stop it or in retaliation, if it had been up to her I don't think anything would have been left living for a 10 mile radius around where he was killed.

Hawkgirl
10-27-2012, 12:28 AM
All of his people need to stop falling on their swords for Obama, I may think a lot of things about Hillary and it is no secret I do not like her, but I know if it was her decision she would not have stood and watched our ambassador being homosexually raped and murdered and not have done anything to stop it or in retaliation, if it had been up to her I don't think anything would have been left living for a 10 mile radius around where he was killed.


I have to agree. Hillary does not strike me as the type that would idly watch a US ambassador and Navy Seals be killed at the hands of Al Quaeda. I just don't/can't believe it. I think she has more hawkish views than her own husband. I can, however, believe Obama would make such a call. I can see him appease the very animals that most Americans hate. I think Obama was the biggest assault on American people, after 911.

Yes, I said it.

Odysseus
10-27-2012, 01:00 AM
Hannity had the father, Charles Wood, on his show. The dad repeated his feeling that something was fishy from the very beginning. He said that shaking Obama's hand was like shaking a dead fish. He said that he won't rest til he gets to the bottom of it. The father is a retired attorney.

Funny, but when Cindy Sheehan went off the deep end, the media couldn't get enough of her (until Bush was out of the White House, at which point she became very inconvenient), but let someone demand justice for a son killed on Obama's watch (and apparently as a result of his neglect) and they are nowhere to be seen.


I have to agree. Hillary does not strike me as the type that would idly watch a US ambassador and Navy Seals be killed at the hands of Al Quaeda. I just don't/can't believe it. I think she has more hawkish views than her own husband. I can, however, believe Obama would make such a call. I can see him appease the very animals that most Americans hate. I think Obama was the biggest assault on American people, after 911.

Yes, I said it.

Hillary is indifferent to what happens to other people unless it will reflect badly on her, so she'd have probably taken action if she could have, but in this case, I don't know that she could have done anything. The Secretary of State doesn't control the DOD, the Commander-In-Chief does. If the White House held back the relief effort, then nobody else could have done anything.

Rockntractor
10-27-2012, 01:17 AM
I don't know that she could have done anything. The Secretary of State doesn't control the DOD, the Commander-In-Chief does. If the White House held back the relief effort, then nobody else could have done anything.

This is why it makes no sense for her to be taking responsibility for this. To any thinking person she could not be responsible on any level, it just doesn't work.

JB
10-27-2012, 01:45 AM
Ty Woods and anyone else that ran into that shit that day deserve the MOH.

I can't believe what the pukes in this administration tried to sell us.

txradioguy
10-27-2012, 04:39 AM
She already did. The problam is, there is apparently no "fall". Can you imagine if this happened with President Bush???
The Libs would be storming the White House. With oBAMA...nothing. Except for Fox.

We don't have to imagine SR. All we have to do is look back at how the Libtards...en masse...claimed "Bush knew" about 9/11 and let it happen.

Remember the "what did he know and when did he know it" meme that was running around?

I find myself asking the same question...which seems more relevant to this situation...about President Obama.

txradioguy
10-27-2012, 04:42 AM
Ty Woods and anyone else that ran into that shit that day deserve the MOH.

I can't believe what the pukes in this administration tried to sell us.

The two former SEALS were on a rooftop returning fire and were targeted by a mortar round.

I read something a couple days ago that said given the amount of blood found on the weapons they were firing...they continued to defend the compound after they were wounded.

I agree with your assertion about what needs to be awarded to those two men.

Odysseus
10-27-2012, 09:09 AM
This is why it makes no sense for her to be taking responsibility for this. To any thinking person she could not be responsible on any level, it just doesn't work.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks that the Joint Staff wasn't watching that in real time is clueless. CENTCOM had to be in the loop, and the White House couldn't have been out of it. They knew what was up in real time, and the buck stopped where it was supposed to stop, at the Commander in Chief.


The two former SEALS were on a rooftop returning fire and were targeted by a mortar round.

I read something a couple days ago that said given the amount of blood found on the weapons they were firing...they continued to defend the compound after they were wounded.

I agree with your assertion about what needs to be awarded to those two men.

If it can be awarded to civilians, then they have certainly earned it.

djones520
10-27-2012, 09:27 AM
Exactly. Anyone who thinks that the Joint Staff wasn't watching that in real time is clueless. CENTCOM had to be in the loop, and the White House couldn't have been out of it. They knew what was up in real time, and the buck stopped where it was supposed to stop, at the Commander in Chief.



If it can be awarded to civilians, then they have certainly earned it.

It can't be, but there is a civilian equivalent. Can't remember what it's called off the top of my head.

Zathras
10-27-2012, 09:37 AM
Ty Woods and anyone else that ran into that shit that day deserve the MOH.

Agreed....and civilians have been given the MoH before. It's very rare (only 7 so far) but if they're employed by the US Government they can get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Civilian_recipients_of_the_Medal_of_Honor


I can't believe what the pukes in this administration tried to sell us.

Sadly nothinhg this administration does surprises me anymore.

Hawkgirl
10-27-2012, 12:46 PM
Funny, but when Cindy Sheehan went off the deep end, the media couldn't get enough of her (until Bush was out of the White House, at which point she became very inconvenient), but let someone demand justice for a son killed on Obama's watch (and apparently as a result of his neglect) and they are nowhere to be seen.



.

Rosie O'Donnell and Cindy Sheehan are choices on the Florida ballot. :rolleyes:

djones520
10-27-2012, 12:48 PM
Rosie O'Donnell and Cindy Sheehan are choices on the Florida ballot. :rolleyes:

Good, it'll be easier for Romney to win the state. :evil-grin:

txradioguy
10-27-2012, 02:03 PM
Exactly. Anyone who thinks that the Joint Staff wasn't watching that in real time is clueless. CENTCOM had to be in the loop, and the White House couldn't have been out of it. They knew what was up in real time, and the buck stopped where it was supposed to stop, at the Commander in Chief.



If it can be awarded to civilians, then they have certainly earned it.

It's been done a couple times back in the 1800's.

ABC in Georgia
10-27-2012, 02:17 PM
Yes, there is a civilian equivalent.

Is called "The Medal of Freedom."

No time to google back up info on this to post for you ... but am pretty sure that I am correct.

bijou
10-27-2012, 03:04 PM
I followed a link from hotair.com to this post on another board, make of it what you will ...
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2012/10/27/reagan-official-if-obama-gave-the-order-to-secure-benghazi-there-must-be-a-paper-trail/

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:
"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon. ...http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx

djones520
10-27-2012, 03:12 PM
It's been more then a month and Gen. Ham is still in command of AFRICOM, so I'm going to call this a pipe dream.

Rockntractor
10-27-2012, 03:18 PM
It's been more then a month and Gen. Ham is still in command of AFRICOM, so I'm going to call this a pipe dream.

Would it look good for Obama to remove him this soon after the attack and this close to the election?

djones520
10-27-2012, 03:21 PM
Would it look good for Obama to remove him this soon after the attack and this close to the election?

If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.

Rockntractor
10-27-2012, 03:22 PM
If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.

Probably so.

Odysseus
10-27-2012, 03:57 PM
Yes, there is a civilian equivalent.

Is called "The Medal of Freedom."

No time to google back up info on this to post for you ... but am pretty sure that I am correct.




If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.

It would have taken longer than described to relieve him, and he'd have been extremely vocal about it after the fact. Meanwhile, a Mark Steyn at NRO has a number of great observations on the subject, and points out a few things that ought to disgust anyone with a conscience. Many of these have been recounted here, but this is an excellent summary. The highlighted text requires special attention:

NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE www.nationalreview.com

The Incredible Shrinking President
By Mark Steyn

October 26, 2012 7:30 P.M.

‘We’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video,” said Hillary Clinton. No, not the person who made the video saying that voting for Barack Obama is like losing your virginity to a really cool guy. I’ll get to that in a moment. But Secretary Clinton was talking about the fellow who made the supposedly Islamophobic video that supposedly set off the sacking of the Benghazi consulate. And, indeed, she did “have that person arrested.” By happy coincidence, his bail hearing has been set for three days after the election, by which time he will have served his purpose. These two videos — the Islamophobic one and the Obamosexual one — bookend the remarkable but wholly deserved collapse of the president’s reelection campaign.

You’ll recall that a near-month-long attempt to blame an obscure YouTube video for the murder of four Americans and the destruction of U.S. sovereign territory climaxed in the vice-presidential debate with Joe Biden’s bald assertion that the administration had been going on the best intelligence it had at the time. By then, it had been confirmed that there never had been any protest against the video, and that the Obama line that Benghazi had been a spontaneous movie review that just got a little out of hand was utterly false. The only remaining question was whether the administration had knowingly lied or was merely innocently stupid. The innocent-stupidity line became harder to maintain this week after Fox News obtained State Department e-mails revealing that shortly after 4 p.m. Eastern, less than a half hour after the assault in Benghazi began, the White House situation room knew the exact nature of it.

We also learned that, in those first moments of the attack, a request for military back-up was made by U.S. staff on the ground but was denied by Washington. It had planes and special forces less than 500 miles away in southern Italy — or about the same distance as Washington to Boston. They could have been there in less than two hours. Yet the commander-in-chief declined to give the order. So Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods fought all night against overwhelming odds, and died on a rooftop in a benighted jihadist hellhole while Obama retired early to rest up before his big Vegas campaign stop. “Within minutes of the first bullet being fired the White House knew these heroes would be slaughtered if immediate air support was denied,” said Ty Woods’s father, Charles. “In less than an hour, the perimeters could have been secured and American lives could have been saved. After seven hours fighting numerically superior forces, my son’s life was sacrificed because of the White House’s decision.”

Why would Obama and Biden do such a thing? Because to launch a military operation against an al-Qaeda affiliate on the anniversary of 9/11 would have exposed the hollowness of their boast through convention week and the days thereafter — that Osama was dead and al-Qaeda was finished. And so Ty Woods, Glen Doherty, Sean Smith, and Chris Stevens were left to die, and a decision taken to blame an entirely irrelevant video and, as Secretary Clinton threatened, “have that person arrested.” And, in the weeks that followed, the government of the United States lied to its own citizens as thoroughly and energetically as any totalitarian state, complete with the midnight knock on the door from not-so-secret policemen sent to haul the designated fall-guy into custody.

This goes far beyond the instinctive secretiveness to which even democratic governments are prone. The Obama administration created a wholly fictional story line, and devoted its full resources to maintaining it. I understand why Mitt Romney chose not to pursue this line of argument in the final debate. The voters who will determine this election are those who voted for Obama four years ago and this time round either switch to the other fellow or sit on their hands. In electoral terms, it’s probably prudent of Mitt not to rub their faces in their 2008 votes. Nevertheless, when the president and other prominent officials stand by as four Americans die and then abuse their sacrifice as contemptuously as this administration did, decency requires that they be voted out of office as an act of urgent political hygiene.

At the photo-op staged for the returning caskets, Obama et al. seem to have been too focused on their campaign needs to observe even the minimal courtesies. Charles Woods says that at the ceremony Joe Biden strolled over to him and by way of condolence said in a “loud and boisterous” voice, “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?” One assumes charitably that the vice president is acknowledging in his own inept and blundering way the remarkable courage of a man called upon to die for his country on some worthless sod halfway across the planet. But the near-parodic locker-room coarseness is grotesque both in its inaptness and in its lack of basic human feeling for a bereaved family forced to grieve in public and as crowd-scene extras to the political bigshot. Just about the only formal responsibility a vice president has is to attend funerals without embarrassing his country. And this preening buffoon of pseudo-blue-collar faux-machismo couldn’t even manage that.

But a funny thing happened over the next six weeks: Obama’s own cue balls shriveled. Biden had offered up a deft campaign slogan encompassing both domestic and foreign policy: “Osama’s dead and General Motors is alive.” But, as the al-Qaeda connections to Benghazi dribbled out leak by leak, the “Osama’s dead” became a problematic boast and, left to stand alone, the General Motors line was even less credible. Avoiding the economy and foreign affairs, Obama fell back on Big Bird, and binders, and bayonets, just to name the “B”s in his bonnet. At the second presidential debate, he name-checked Planned Parenthood, the General Motors of the American abortion industry, half a dozen times, desperate to preserve his so-called gender gap. Yet oddly enough, the more furiously Obama and Biden have waved their binders and talked up Sandra Fluke, the more his supposed lead among women has withered away. So now he needs to enthuse the young, who turned out in such numbers for him last time. Hence, the official campaign video (plagiarized from Vladimir Putin of all people) explaining that voting for Obama is like having sex. The saddest thing about that claim is that, for liberals, it may well be true.

Both videos — the one faking Obamagasm and the one faking a Benghazi pretext — exemplify the wretched shrinkage that befalls those unable to conceive of anything except in the most self-servingly political terms. Both, in different ways, exemplify why Obama and Biden are unfit for office. One video testifies to a horrible murderous lie at the heart of a head of state’s most solemn responsibility, the other to the glib shallow narcissism of a pop-culture presidency, right down to the numbing relentless peer pressure: C’mon, all the cool kids are doing it; why be the last hold-out?

If voting for Obama is like the first time you have sex, it’s very difficult to lose your virginity twice. A flailing, pitiful campaign has now adopted Queen Victoria’s supposed wedding advice to her daughter: “Lie back and think of England.” Lie back and think of America. And then get up and get dressed. Who wants to sleep with a $16 trillion broke loser twice?

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txradioguy
10-27-2012, 04:11 PM
If a four star General was forcibly "relieved of command" I'd place damn good money that we'd have heard of it from reliable sources long ago. Especially considering how much Fox has been digging on this story.

I'd also wager he would have long ago been before Congress explaining what had happened.


Funny that you mention General Ham. His replacement was just announced last week.

General David Rodriguez...the FORSCOM CG and former CG of IJC in Afghanistan will be taking Gen. Ham's place at AFRICOM.

SaintLouieWoman
10-27-2012, 04:24 PM
Funny that you mention General Ham. His replacement was just announced last week.

General David Rodriguez...the FORSCOM CG and former CG of IJC in Afghanistan will be taking Gen. Ham's place at AFRICOM.
Do you have a link? I guess Obama is inept enough to replace Gen Ham with a yes man that quickly.

This whole thing gets me sick to my stomach. It makes one wonder what would have been Ty Woods fate had me managed to survive his heroic defense. I guess he would have lost his job.

txradioguy
10-27-2012, 04:27 PM
Do you have a link? I guess Obama is inept enough to replace Gen Ham with a yes man that quickly.

This whole thing gets me sick to my stomach. It makes one wonder what would have been Ty Woods fate had me managed to survive his heroic defense. I guess he would have lost his job.

Obama to nominate Army Gen. Rodriguez to lead AFRICOM

http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-to-nominate-army-gen-rodriguez-to-lead-africom-1.193564

JB
10-28-2012, 02:00 AM
The two former SEALS were on a rooftop returning fire and were targeted by a mortar round...

I agree with your assertion about what needs to be awarded to those two men.The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.

I actually didn't even think civilians could receive the MoH. Apparently it's been done. This January the second thing President Romney will do is repeal 0bamacare. The first is award by executive order the MoH to those involved.

txradioguy
10-28-2012, 05:34 AM
The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.

It apparently worked on the parents right up to the point where the email traffic was leaked to the public.

AmPat
10-28-2012, 10:13 AM
The nonsense we've been fed about this is reprehensible. They could have bought me off a while with "we're investigating and we continue to do so". That video-spur-of-the-moment-America-loves-Mohammed-too nonsense they tried to sell us is deplorable. The audicity of this guy. Did he actually think that shit would work? He must think the entire nation is as stupid as his constituency.

I actually didn't even think civilians could receive the MoH. Apparently it's been done. This January the second thing President Romney will do is repeal 0bamacare. The first is award by executive order the MoH to those involved.
I hope you're right. I know it is a Congressional award but I would prefer Presdent Romney nominate the men and not that Vile Pile occupying the office now. It's bad enough I have O Blowhard's signature on my retirement paperwork.

txradioguy
10-28-2012, 11:08 AM
Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus has emphatically denied that he or anyone else at the CIA refused assistance to the former Navy SEALs who requested it three times as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on the night of Sep. 11. The Weekly Standard and ABC News report that Petraeus's denial effectively implicates President Barack Obama, since a refusal to assist "would have been a presidential decision."

<snip>

Jake Tapper quoted Petraeus this afternoon denying that the CIA was responsible for the refusal: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."

As William Kristol of the Weekly Standard notes, that leaves only President Obama himself to blame:


So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/26/Petraeus-on-Benghazi-It-Wasnt-Me

m00
10-28-2012, 11:14 AM
I want to be like...

"Hey guys, I was in a cabin in a woods for a few weeks. Did they ever catch that guy who made the anti-islamic video that triggered the spontaneous protests in Libya?"

SaintLouieWoman
10-28-2012, 11:15 AM
Central Intelligence Agency director David Petraeus has emphatically denied that he or anyone else at the CIA refused assistance to the former Navy SEALs who requested it three times as terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on the night of Sep. 11. The Weekly Standard and ABC News report that Petraeus's denial effectively implicates President Barack Obama, since a refusal to assist "would have been a presidential decision."

<snip>

Jake Tapper quoted Petraeus this afternoon denying that the CIA was responsible for the refusal: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."

As William Kristol of the Weekly Standard notes, that leaves only President Obama himself to blame:



http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/26/Petraeus-on-Benghazi-It-Wasnt-Me

This probably explains the desperate attempt by the Dems to get in those early votes. They probably don't know how much longer they can hold their fingers in the dike before the dirty rotten truth eventually gets out. I still don't know how they can live with their conscience. I guess the answer is they don't have one,

txradioguy
10-28-2012, 11:19 AM
This probably explains the desperate attempt by the Dems to get in those early votes. They probably don't know how much longer they can hold their fingers in the dike before the dirty rotten truth eventually gets out.

Well that would explain the mad rush of non-English speaking Somalis heading to the polls in Ohio.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/



I still don't know how they can live with their conscience. I guess the answer is they don't have one,

Like I said before...those four were an "acceptable loss" to this Administration in their goal to retain power.