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marv
11-07-2012, 01:04 AM
.......and the Senate.

...and hopefully the Libertarians and Paulbots will have learned their lesson...maybe.

Rockntractor
11-07-2012, 01:15 AM
.......and the Senate.

...and hopefully the Libertarians and Paulbots will have learned their lesson...maybe.

The future of American politics, we didn't make it over the shark.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/07/report-exit-polls-show-hugo-chavez-lost-venezuelan-election/

Zathras
11-07-2012, 01:20 AM
.......and the Senate.

...and hopefully the Libertarians and Paulbots will have learned their lesson...maybe.

Why bother....the country is heading down the crapper and there's nothing we can do about it thanks to the braindead zombies who reelected this disgrace of a President.

Rockntractor
11-07-2012, 01:27 AM
Honestly, politics have been taken from us. Perhaps the most notable thing about the election was the voting machines that came up Obama when a Romney vote was cast, the only malfunction or miscalibration as they call it was that it showed the voter the mistake and did not hide it from them, these errors will be corrected before next election.

marinejcksn
11-07-2012, 01:29 AM
I seriously can't believe this.

As a Libertarian who voted for Romney, I never thought it would go this way. Where the F*&^ is the Tea Party?

At this point, he's our President. But life is gonna suck seeing his ass and Biden's mug for another 4 years

marv
11-07-2012, 02:32 AM
I seriously can't believe this.

As a Libertarian who voted for Romney, I never thought it would go this way. Where the F*&^ is the Tea Party?

Where were the Libertarians who voted for Johnson?

Elspeth
11-07-2012, 02:51 AM
Where were the Libertarians who voted for Johnson?

I think we lost more to voter fraud than to Gary Johnson.

txradioguy
11-07-2012, 05:41 AM
We played the beltway RINO RNC game...got behind the candidate (very late in my case) that all the "experts" said was the only guy who could beat Obama.

And look what it got us.

Ok "experts"...we played your game and lost.

Next time we play by OUR rules and elect OUR candidate.

Bailey
11-07-2012, 06:05 AM
I am sorry if the GOP couldn't beat this asshole with everything going for the GOP, I doubt we shall see another Republican President ever again. Sorry people wanting hand outs are not going to vote for the person wanting to take them away. I am kind of glad this happened, when the crash comes it will come on obama's watch.

txradioguy
11-07-2012, 06:29 AM
I am sorry if the GOP couldn't beat this asshole with everything going for the GOP, I doubt we shall see another Republican President ever again. Sorry people wanting hand outs are not going to vote for the person wanting to take them away. I am kind of glad this happened, when the crash comes it will come on obama's watch.

QFT

Molon Labe
11-07-2012, 11:22 AM
.......and the Senate.

...and hopefully the Libertarians and Paulbots will have learned their lesson...maybe.

If you're thinking about "waiting" till 2014, then you haven't learned yours.

m00
11-07-2012, 12:36 PM
I am sorry if the GOP couldn't beat this asshole with everything going for the GOP....

Except a conservative candidate, or a candidate who ran a good election, or a candidate that didnt seem out-of-touch.


I doubt we shall see another Republican President ever again. Sorry people wanting hand outs are not going to vote for the person wanting to take them away.

I personally know plenty of liberal democrats that were very unhappy with Obama. These are people who I know at work, or in my family, or close family friends, and they are all doing quite well for themselves. They were begging for the Republican Party to put up someone that was a normal, intelligent, authentic, consistent individual who meant what he said and cared about people, and cared about the country. Note these are qualities of a human being, not qualities of a political stripe. Mitt Romney did not run a campaign that presented him as this person (whether or not he is, I don't know). Romney came across as a phony, pandering, aloof, and completely out-of-touch. Since I've seen "off air" comments where he is not this person, so I'll presume he got some really bad campaign advice. Romney failed not because he was a conservative (he wasn't) but because he ran an awful campaign that alienated pretty much everyone.

To think Obama won because of handouts, while I'm sure is easier than soul-searching, completely misses the point.

Bailey
11-07-2012, 02:25 PM
Except a conservative candidate, or a candidate who ran a good election, or a candidate that didnt seem out-of-touch.



I personally know plenty of liberal democrats that were very unhappy with Obama. These are people who I know at work, or in my family, or close family friends, and they are all doing quite well for themselves. They were begging for the Republican Party to put up someone that was a normal, intelligent, authentic, consistent individual who meant what he said and cared about people, and cared about the country. Note these are qualities of a human being, not qualities of a political stripe. Mitt Romney did not run a campaign that presented him as this person (whether or not he is, I don't know). Romney came across as a phony, pandering, aloof, and completely out-of-touch. Since I've seen "off air" comments where he is not this person, so I'll presume he got some really bad campaign advice. Romney failed not because he was a conservative (he wasn't) but because he ran an awful campaign that alienated pretty much everyone.

To think Obama won because of handouts, while I'm sure is easier than soul-searching, completely misses the point.

No he ran a good enough election, just ronbots like you were't satisfied with a glass that was half full.

m00
11-07-2012, 02:33 PM
No he ran a good enough election, just ronbots like you were't satisfied with a glass that was half full.

So, it had nothing to do with the fact that Romney got only 20% of the hispanic vote, while George W Bush got 40% of the hispanic vote (for example)? No, No... it was... the "ronbots."

So if all the "ronbots" left the Republican Party, as you clearly want... then who would you blame when your next beltway RINO in the queue loses in 2016?

Molon Labe
11-07-2012, 02:39 PM
No he ran a good enough election.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

Bailey
11-07-2012, 02:40 PM
So, it had nothing to do with the fact that Romney got only 20% of the hispanic vote, while George W Bush got 40% of the hispanic vote (for example)? No, No... it was... the "ronbots."

So if all the "ronbots" left the Republican Party, as you clearly want... then who would you blame when your next beltway RINO in the queue loses in 2016?

He didn't get the hispanics not because he was too liberal but because he didn't give the freebies away and amnesty. Hate to break it to you sunshine, the GOP could have run the most conservative person out there to your liking, but since someone like that won't be for giving out free stuff he/she will of course lose

Molon Labe
11-07-2012, 02:40 PM
So, it had nothing to do with the fact that Romney got only 20% of the hispanic vote, while George W Bush got 40% of the hispanic vote (for example)? No, No... it was... the "ronbots."

So if all the "ronbots" left the Republican Party, as you clearly want... then who would you blame when your next beltway RINO in the queue loses in 2016?

No.....Couldn't have anything to do with a guy who ran TO THE LEFT of TED F'N KENNEDY.

Bailey
11-07-2012, 02:42 PM
No.....Couldn't have anything to do with a guy who ran TO THE LEFT of TED F'N KENNEDY.

DONT YOU GET IT YET? IF you dont give out the goodies you AINT getting in. If last night didn't prove that to you nothing will.

Molon Labe
11-07-2012, 02:59 PM
DONT YOU GET IT YET? IF you dont give out the goodies you AINT getting in. If last night didn't prove that to you nothing will.


What the hell are you arguing about then?

If what you say is true then your fight is futile. And NO conservative will ever win again. Pack it in and head for the showers but please get the heck out of my way while some us try to fix this ship.

Bailey
11-07-2012, 03:02 PM
What the hell are you arguing about then?

If what you say is true then your fight is futile. And NO conservative will ever win again. Pack it in and head for the showers but please get the heck out of my way while some us try to fix this ship.

Thats what I am saying, no conservative (true conservative) ie cutting entitlements, protecting the border is ever going to win again. Keep trying to run your Ron pauls, johnsons etc. I doubt even if Reagan could win today.

aerojarod
11-07-2012, 03:19 PM
We're going to have to frame out arguments differently somehow. Nobody cares whether something's Constitutional anymore. References to God and Country don't seem to be working for the masses. People want to be reassured that you won't be taking anything from them, or better yet- giving more away.

Maybe there's a better way to say, "You won't be getting any more freebies if we don't fix this economy."

Maybe we can concede that, "Yes, the rich should be paying more. They ARE paying more, and we're going to keep it that way."

How about we state that, "Government has no place telling you who you can love, how you live, or what you do with your body. That being said, we owe it to each other as good neighbors to not take from others what we cannot provide for ourselves."

Just some ideas... we need to reframe our platform to be more populist, yet still conservative.

Unreconstructed Reb
11-07-2012, 04:47 PM
I am sorry if the GOP couldn't beat this asshole with everything going for the GOP, I doubt we shall see another Republican President ever again. Sorry people wanting hand outs are not going to vote for the person wanting to take them away. I am kind of glad this happened, when the crash comes it will come on obama's watch.

That's precisely what Bronco Bama wants. Bronco Bama doesn't have to run for re-election and he will be emboldened by this victory and will run roughshod over the congress and the courts in order to accomplish the main goal that he set out to do and told us that he would do back in '08: the fundamental transformation of the country. And what better way than with the crisis of a major crash.

And the spineless, sniveling republican turds in DC aren't trying to stop Bronco Bama and the liberal freight train at all, they're just hanging on to the last car giving a half hearted effort to slow it down. For example, if the DC libs were to say "let's burn down all the buildings in town!" the repub response would be, "well, can we just do a couple a year for the next few years, please? sniff, sniff....."

It's game over.

Start thinking about 2014? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Rockntractor
11-07-2012, 04:50 PM
That's precisely what Bronco Bama wants. Bronco Bama doesn't have to run for re-election and he will be emboldened by this victory and will run roughshod over the congress and the courts in order to accomplish the main goal that he set out to do and told us that he would do back in '08: the fundamental transformation of the country. And what better way than with the crisis of a major crash.

And the spineless, sniveling republican turds in DC aren't trying to stop Bronco Bama and the liberal freight train at all, they're just hanging on to the last car giving a half hearted effort to slow it down. For example, if the DC libs were to say "let's burn down all the buildings in town!" the repub response would be, "well, can we just do a couple a year for the next few years, please? sniff, sniff....."

It's game over.

Start thinking about 2014? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
Cloward–Piven strategy overload the system and rebuild from the ruins.

Lager
11-07-2012, 05:39 PM
I think we lost more to voter fraud than to Gary Johnson. It's possible we lost more due to the "birthers" as well. Plenty of little scapegoats to find, but we need to focus on the bigger picture, which isn't quite clear yet.

Zeus
11-07-2012, 05:45 PM
We played the beltway RINO RNC game...got behind the candidate (very late in my case) that all the "experts" said was the only guy who could beat Obama.

And look what it got us.

Ok "experts"...we played your game and lost.

Next time we play by OUR rules and elect OUR candidate.

Oh Please You are better than that to play an old canard. Romney lost because the Unicorns & skittles crowd outnumbered the God & Country crowd. Like Rush said this morning "You can't fight Santa Claus".

Lager
11-07-2012, 05:51 PM
Except a conservative candidate, or a candidate who ran a good election, or a candidate that didnt seem out-of-touch.



I personally know plenty of liberal democrats that were very unhappy with Obama. These are people who I know at work, or in my family, or close family friends, and they are all doing quite well for themselves. They were begging for the Republican Party to put up someone that was a normal, intelligent, authentic, consistent individual who meant what he said and cared about people, and cared about the country. Note these are qualities of a human being, not qualities of a political stripe. Mitt Romney did not run a campaign that presented him as this person (whether or not he is, I don't know). Romney came across as a phony, pandering, aloof, and completely out-of-touch. Since I've seen "off air" comments where he is not this person, so I'll presume he got some really bad campaign advice. Romney failed not because he was a conservative (he wasn't) but because he ran an awful campaign that alienated pretty much everyone.

To think Obama won because of handouts, while I'm sure is easier than soul-searching, completely misses the point.You're not describing the campaign Romney actually ran, you're describing the description of the campaign as painted by the media and Obama camp. I think he ran a better campaign than McCain did. Picked a better VP as well. How can you expect to get to know someone's true nature on the TV or in little sound bytes in ads? It's impossible. You admitted you were surprised when you saw Romney in a candid moment, and you were most likely surprised because you began to believe the picture the media was painting of him. When people think they know the truth of some celebrity they've never met in person, beware. The two political people who have come across as the best on stage in recent times, are probably Clinton and Obama. Two narcissists, if ever any existed. They are awfully good at appearing to have some substance. Edwards was considered "thoughtful" and "caring" and "genuine" as well.

In the past, before mass media, the measure of a candidate was taken by the words they wrote or spoke and were written down. Today that's hard to do, because they all speak in the same trite platitudes and cliches.

m00
11-07-2012, 06:12 PM
You're not describing the campaign Romney actually ran, you're describing the description of the campaign as painted by the media and Obama camp.

I didn't know the Obama camp had access to my personal anecdotes. :cool:


I think he ran a better campaign than McCain did.

Maybe. I think it's hard to tell because Obama's public persona is so much different now (he used to be all hope-and-change-y).


Picked a better VP as well.

Agreed.


How can you expect to get to know someone's true nature on the TV or in little sound bytes in ads? It's impossible.

Reagan managed. Clinton managed (people knew he was a pervert who smoked pot and tried to hide it... this helped to popularize him as a "lovable rogue"). Kerry managed, but not to his credit (if he wanted to win, he should have done a better job of hiding his true nature). Chris Christie also manages. Bush too -- love or hate Bush, when you watched Bush on TV you were watching George W Bush. He was a real guy.


You admitted you were surprised when you saw Romney in a candid moment, and you were most likely surprised because you began to believe the picture the media was painting of him.

Dude, the media has a liberal bias, but Romney dug his own grave here. I'm going to go off the top of my head here from memory so these will be slightly paraphrased...

Pandering Phony Mitt:

"Strange things are happening to me down south... I love grits"
"I love Detroit, my wife owns a couple of Cadillacs."
"I love this state, the trees are the right height."
"I'm a huge fan of NASCAR. I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners.

Crazy Mr Burns Mitt:

"Corporations are people"
"I'm not concerned about the very poor"
"Middle income is $250,000 and less"
"I'm also unemployed."

Every-time I heard one of these, in the original context, I /facepalmed.


Today that's hard to do, because they all speak in the same trite platitudes and cliches.

Completely agree here.

Veritas Aequitas
11-08-2012, 04:01 AM
That's precisely what Bronco Bama wants. Bronco Bama doesn't have to run for re-election and he will be emboldened by this victory and will run roughshod over the congress and the courts in order to accomplish the main goal that he set out to do and told us that he would do back in '08: the fundamental transformation of the country. And what better way than with the crisis of a major crash.

And the spineless, sniveling republican turds in DC aren't trying to stop Bronco Bama and the liberal freight train at all, they're just hanging on to the last car giving a half hearted effort to slow it down. For example, if the DC libs were to say "let's burn down all the buildings in town!" the repub response would be, "well, can we just do a couple a year for the next few years, please? sniff, sniff....."

It's game over.

Start thinking about 2014? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!



I personally would be entertained by watching the idiots who voted for him not knowing his true agenda should this happen. Has the writing ever been on the wall in such big, bold letters that said "THIS GUY HATES AMERICA. THIS GUY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT CREATING JOBS. THIS GUY IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY AND PROBABLY GET US ALL KILLED".

It was obvious to me in 2007. And these guys voted him in twice, LOL.

Unreconstructed Reb
11-08-2012, 09:56 AM
I personally would be entertained by watching the idiots who voted for him not knowing his true agenda should this happen. Has the writing ever been on the wall in such big, bold letters that said "THIS GUY HATES AMERICA. THIS GUY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT CREATING JOBS. THIS GUY IS GOING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY AND PROBABLY GET US ALL KILLED".

It was obvious to me in 2007. And these guys voted him in twice, LOL.

I would find it quite entertaining, also, except for the fact that the useful idiots are going to take us down with them. There was a line from Full Metal Jacket that is appropriate in this situation: "It's a huge shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite."

The red states seriously need to consider severing ties with the Bronco Bama regime if any semblance of the republic is to remain and let the blue states have their communist utopia.

txradioguy
11-08-2012, 10:27 AM
Oh Please You are better than that to play an old canard. Romney lost because the Unicorns & skittles crowd outnumbered the God & Country crowd. Like Rush said this morning "You can't fight Santa Claus".

That's true and I agree with him. (I didn't hear it til this morning).

Maybe I just don't know how to express it right...but it just seems like America bought into the "only Romney can beat Obama" meme pushed by the establishment.

Ok...we did that...and look what it got us.

Next time (hopefully) we'll stick with a true Conservative...someone like Reagan and not get scared off by the so called "experts".

Because like Rush also said...and I'm paraphrasing full throated Conservatism has yet to be tried yet in an election.

m00
11-08-2012, 10:35 AM
Next time (hopefully) we'll stick with a true Conservative...someone like Reagan and not get scared off by the so called "experts".

Because like Rush also said...and I'm paraphrasing full throated Conservatism has yet to be tried yet in an election.

Yeah, I think you need a good message and a good messenger. Reagan had both.

I think the Republican party's biggest hurdle at this point is agreeing what Conservatism is. Or maybe the voters who actually have the values convincing the politicians what it is. Cuz right now, I get the feeling that the RNC elites think Conservatism means bailouts, corporate cronyism, big government, and reduction of civil liberties for every case except guns & religion.

Rockntractor
11-08-2012, 10:37 AM
That's true and I agree with him. (I didn't hear it til this morning).

Maybe I just don't know how to express it right...but it just seems like America bought into the "only Romney can beat Obama" meme pushed by the establishment.

Ok...we did that...and look what it got us.

Next time (hopefully) we'll stick with a true Conservative...someone like Reagan and not get scared off by the so called "experts".

Because like Rush also said...and I'm paraphrasing full throated Conservatism has yet to be tried yet in an election.
Romney was fine, there is no perfect candidate, blame he who could have stopped hurricane sandy, it is his fault why we have 4 more of Obama. Now we are left with why he caused it to happen and what can be done to receive his blessing once more.

m00
11-08-2012, 10:43 AM
Romney was fine, there is no perfect candidate, blame he who could have stopped hurricane sandy, it is his fault why we have 4 more of Obama. Now we are left with why he caused it to happen and what can be done to receive his blessing once more.

There is no perfect candidate, but we still need a good candidate. Maybe we just disagree here, but I think Romney put on a public persona for most of the campaign and it really didn't fit him. There is also the campaign organization... Obama's campaign was very organized, and very metrics-driven. They knew who to target in what area, and how to target them.

txradioguy
11-08-2012, 10:49 AM
Romney was fine, there is no perfect candidate, blame he who could have stopped hurricane sandy, it is his fault why we have 4 more of Obama. Now we are left with why he caused it to happen and what can be done to receive his blessing once more.

There aren't perfect candidates that is true...but there were better candidates we (the GOP/Republicans/Conservatives as a whole) could have supported.

Unreconstructed Reb
11-08-2012, 02:10 PM
There is no perfect candidate, but we still need a good candidate. Maybe we just disagree here, but I think Romney put on a public persona for most of the campaign and it really didn't fit him. There is also the campaign organization... Obama's campaign was very organized, and very metrics-driven. They knew who to target in what area, and how to target them.

Bronco's campaign also had the enormous benefit of having the media as 24/7 advocates.

SaintLouieWoman
11-10-2012, 01:12 AM
I had an uneasy feeling throughout the whole process. Whenever the Republicans think they're going to win by telling the truth about the opponents, when talk radio gets all fired up by the excesses of Obama, we lose. There has to be a way that we get candidates who somehow walk that magic line between being too accusatory and being a doormat.

Who would have thought that Clinton would win after being caught "not having sex with that woman"? The problem is that we're playing with different standards, When the dems get caught with their pants around their knees, they say "So what." We look like the church lady. We need a street fighter, a wily street fighter. Chris Christie might have a big mouth, but he's emasculated himself to Obama, become that door mat.

It's tough to beat people who don't care, are ruthless, don't have the same sense of morals. It's going to take bigger brains than us to figure out how to do it.

Elite Republican rich guys who come across as out of touch aren't going to make it. We need someone who will stand up and tell the truth, sort of like Newt. Now if only we can find someone who won't take the crap who also wasn't caught with his pants around his knees, we'll be doing better.

Laura Ingraham gave a real sad statistic tonight while subbing for O'Reilly. She said that Romney got less of the Mormon vote than McCain. Now that's truly sad.

m00
11-10-2012, 01:25 AM
Bronco's campaign also had the enormous benefit of having the media as 24/7 advocates.

It's funny how evil the media is. I remember when they basically crowned Romney as the nominee before any state had its primary. It's like... Republicans let the leftwing media pick the candidate, because the media was telling everybody he was the only one who could beat Obama. But this is surmountable... we just can't let the media lay the trap and then lead the Republicans straight into that trap.

JB
11-11-2012, 06:11 PM
I am sorry if the GOP couldn't beat this asshole with everything going for the GOP, I doubt we shall see another Republican President ever again. Sorry people wanting hand outs are not going to vote for the person wanting to take them away. I am kind of glad this happened, when the crash comes it will come on obama's watch.Going to quote your post but let's everyone just take a breath.

Don't believe the hype that these Demopukes are trying to sell that the GOP is dead, we can't win, etc. Nothing is farther from the truth. The same thing was said about the Dem party in 2004 when Bush was reelected. Said the Dems would be dead for a generation. Well, that didn't happen.

I'm only going to comment on demographics and the future:
The young vote (less than 25 years old)...forget them. We never had them. No sense getting worked up about them.

The black vote. Forget this too. Let's look at this. We've been told that the black community came out incredibly strong for Barry in both elections. Unlike in any other election. What conclusions can we draw? 1) Blacks are racists and only voted by skin color? If this is true then don't expect a huge turnout when the Dems run a non-black candidate. 2) Dems, like we already know, don't give a damn about black people. Only their vote. If blacks never came out in force before 2008 they were disenfranchised. As soon as they become disenfranchised again, we win in a walk.

Single women. We need them. I don't think it's critical but we need them. The whole contraception/abortion message was a mess this election. It needs help. Women who I don't believe are stupid fell for the "Republicans want to outlaw contraception" nonsense. I have empirical evidence on this. It was quite unbelievable.

Hispanic community. We need them. These folks don't want to be Democrats. No way, no how. They are family oriented, religious folks that believe in personal responsibility. This should be an R demographic and it very easily can be. GW proved it.

Moderates. Forget them. If someone tells you they are a moderate, they're lying. They're Leftists. Independents we can go after and get.

Ronbots, Paulbots, bawling Libertarians. Forget them. Don't want them. I don't need to listen to the ramblings of people that voted for a guy that only got 0.9% of the vote. I'll find their million votes somewhere else. And that million was a fluke. They never pull numbers like that.