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Apocalypse
11-11-2012, 03:01 PM
FROM CONGRESSMAN WEST'S CAMPAIGN:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 11, 2012
Contact: Michele Hickford


ST. LUCIE COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS ATTEMPTS TO STEAL ELECTION

Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker clearly runs most corrupt
elections office in the state of Florida

Stuart, FL - Today West for Congress campaign manager Tim Edson released the following statement in response to the sham recount underway in St. Lucie County this morning:

"Late yesterday, the St. Lucie County Board of Elections had agreed to recount all early ballots to address concerns stemming from their acknowledgement of technical errors late on Election Night in the counting of the first three days of early voting, as posted on their website.

However this morning, when observers arrived at the elections office for the 7:00 a.m. recount, they were told by the Supervisor of Elections only the final three days of early voting would be recounted, when in fact the data in question relates to the first three days of voting. During discussions about the recount, the canvassing board repeatedly tried to shoo away observers and prevent them from listening in on discussions. Apparently they have never heard of Florida sunshine laws.

When questioned about counting the wrong three days of voting, the Supervisor of Elections and the canvassing board claimed the errors were in fact on the final three days, despite the record from Thursday's canvassing board meeting showing otherwise. In addition, the Supervisor has said transcripts from the earlier canvassing board meeting will not be released until the day before the votes are certified.

What was originally viewed as dangerous incompetence on the part of Gertrude Walker now appears more and more like a willful attempt to steal the election for Patrick Murphy. Nothing about this story adds up. If there is truly nothing wrong with the data from the first three days of voting, why will it not be released?

West for Congress will pursue every legal means necessary to ensure a fair election, not only to ensure Gertrude Walker is held accountable, but also ultimately replaced, so the citizens of St Lucie County will be ensured fair and accurate elections

Novaheart
11-11-2012, 06:06 PM
Obama won that county by about 9,000 votes. West losing is not a surprise.

Rockntractor
11-11-2012, 06:08 PM
Obama won that county by about 9,000 votes. West losing is not a surprise.

If the west votes are not legitimate I'm sure they cheated across the board for Democrats on the same ballots.

SaintLouieWoman
11-11-2012, 08:37 PM
West was being criticized in today's Sarasota Herald Tribune, a disgusting liberal rag. They gave that fair and unbiased headline "West refuses to concede." If I knew that there was a lot of cheating going on, I wouldn't concede either.

Nova says won by 9,000 votes? Depends on who's tabulating those votes.

Novaheart
11-11-2012, 09:06 PM
If the west votes are not legitimate I'm sure they cheated across the board for Democrats on the same ballots.

Speculation.

Rockntractor
11-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Speculation.

More like investigation pending.

Apocalypse
11-11-2012, 09:46 PM
Update.

Allen West for Congress – Actions of St. Lucie County SOE Result in More Questions than Answers Posted by allenwestrepublic (http://allenwestrepublic.com/author/allenwestrepublic/) on November 11, 2012

(http://allenwestrepublic.com/2012/11/11/allen-west-for-congress-actions-of-st-lucie-county-soe-result-in-more-questions-than-answers/)

Stuart, FL – Today West for Congress released the following statement in response to today’s questionable conduct by St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker and the St. Lucie County Canvassing Board:


“We are after the truth of what votes were cast by voters in St. Lucie County, and the conduct of the canvassing board today casts doubt on their reported numbers.



The St. Lucie Canvassing Board’s abrupt action today was reached entirely without explanation or justification. The Campaign was informed on Saturday afternoon, while the Board met in an apparently private and unannounced session, that a decision was reached to recount all ballots cast during early voting. There was absolutely no explanation of what events or evidence before the Board triggered this voluntary recount. The Supervisor’s website still includes its last-minute public notice of a full recount of early votes:
http://allenwestrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/230.jpg?w=549&h=112 (http://allenwestrepublic.com/2012/11/11/allen-west-for-congress-actions-of-st-lucie-county-soe-result-in-more-questions-than-answers/attachment/230/)

That is not what happened today. Again without any warning or notice, the Board announced this morning that it would count only the early votes cast on Nov. 1, 2, and 3. The explanation given at this point was that the four data cards in use on those three days of early voting did not upload properly on Election Night. However, the Supervisor and the Board said on Election Night and at Thursday’s canvassing board meeting that the four “compromised” data cards were actually taken from vote counting machines in use during the first three days of early voting. By the close of today’s meeting, the Board again changed its position to explain that the decision to recount only early vote ballots cast on Nov. 1, 2, and 3 was at the direction of “Tallahassee.”



Adding to this confusion is the Supervisor and Canvassing Board’s continued refusal to produce any means of verifying their count. The records of poll book data for early voting requested of the Supervisor and the Board would allow anyone to match the number of votes and number of voters. The candidates and the public have no way of knowing that the number of persons who voted in this election is equal to the number of ballots counted. The critical information contained in early voting poll book records is as necessary to certification of results as it is simple to produce. The Supervisor and the Board continue their attempts to hide the facts and after today’s events, their conduct and inconsistent behavior cast even more doubt on the St. Lucie County’s election returns.”

Apocalypse
11-13-2012, 05:46 PM
State ‘concerned’ about St. Lucie County results in West-Murphy race, sending staff to assess by George Bennett | November 13th, 2012 The Florida Division of Elections is sending three employees to St. Lucie County on Wednesday to try to figure out how 799 votes disappeared in Sunday’s partial recount (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/west-still-trails-murphy-after-st-lucie-county-par/nS4Rf/) of the close, nationally watched congressional race between U.S. Rep. Allen West and Democrat Patrick Murphy.


“We are concerned whenever there is a question about the accuracy of results,” Florida Department of State spokesman Chris Cate said in an e-mail this afternoon. “We are sending three employees, including the bureau chief, from the Bureau of Voting Systems Certifications, to assess the tabulation process in St. Lucie County.”


St. Lucie, Martin and northern Palm Beach counties make up congressional District 18, where unofficial returns (http://enight.elections.myflorida.com/CompareCounties/?ContestId=140180) since election night have shown Murphy leading West by less than 1 percent. But St. Lucie County Elections Supervisor Gertrude Walker acknowledged that her office had problems uploading some electronic memory cartridges from early voting on election night.



This is only a partial recount of the first 3 days of early voting, and already West has erased 799 votes. Its looking more and more like it was clearly stolen. Thou Walker will get off claiming those problems were the cause.

Bailey
11-13-2012, 06:18 PM
This is only a partial recount of the first 3 days of early voting, and already West has erased 799 votes. Its looking more and more like it was clearly stolen. Thou Walker will get off claiming those problems were the cause.

I really want to kick the shit out of any liberal in FL complaining about vote counting after what happened in 2000

Elspeth
11-13-2012, 06:43 PM
This is only a partial recount of the first 3 days of early voting, and already West has erased 799 votes. Its looking more and more like it was clearly stolen. Thou Walker will get off claiming those problems were the cause.

If only Mitt had been this tenacious. For starters, they could have gone through Philly's impossible totals and turned PA.

SaintLouieWoman
11-13-2012, 08:10 PM
I really want to kick the shit out of any liberal in FL complaining about vote counting after what happened in 2000

Amen. I'm really losing patience with this and applaud West for not giving in to the corrupt system. Indeed, Romney and the Republicans should have contested Pa and Florida. What makes anyone think the votes in St Lucie County were any more honest for Romney as for West?

Rockntractor
11-13-2012, 08:13 PM
What makes anyone think the votes in St Lucie County were any more honest for Romney as for West?

That's what Nova tried to tell us.

Novaheart
11-13-2012, 08:13 PM
Amen. I'm really losing patience with this and applaud West for not giving in to the corrupt system. Indeed, Romney and the Republicans should have contested Pa and Florida. What makes anyone think the votes in St Lucie County were any more honest for Romney as for West?

Because Democrats outnumber Republicans in PA and FL?

obx
11-13-2012, 08:56 PM
Dems outnumber Reps in Dare Co. NC by more than 2-1 and Romney got over 57% of the vote here.

FlaGator
11-13-2012, 09:31 PM
Because Democrats outnumber Republicans in PA and FL?

Because Allen was up by 2000 votes and then the "St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker inexplicably 'recounted' thousands of early ballots " for no apparent reason and magically found about 4,000 votes for his opponent.

Then during a partial recount on Sunday this same Supervisor of Elections called off the recount after finding about 600+ votes for west.

It smells fishy. A judge should order a full recount with unbiased witnesses to verify the count.

The store his here (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/)

Novaheart
11-13-2012, 09:48 PM
Dems outnumber Reps in Dare Co. NC by more than 2-1 and Romney got over 57% of the vote here.

So clearly there was cheating?

NJCardFan
11-13-2012, 09:55 PM
West was on Greta last night and he said that at midnight of election night, he had a substantial lead then for some strange reason a recount was done at 1:30am and that's where there was a 4,000 vote swing in Murphy's favor. Plainly put, the Democrats put their voter fraud scheme on full steam and people like Nova doesn't see any problem with it. IMO all this is doing is strengthening the need for voter ID laws around the country. Doing that would eliminate any fraud problems. In fact, they should start getting these so called people who have no photo ID one now so every registered voter has a photo ID by the time the mid-terms roll around. The GOP if they had the brains would organize this movement themselves.

NJCardFan
11-13-2012, 10:09 PM
So clearly there was cheating?

How do you account for out of 19,000+ votes not one going for Romney. Not one mistake. Not one slip of the finger. Not one accidentally marked ballot. Not 1 person who would be a Romney supporter. Obama likes to use the term "simple math". Well, simple math, simple statistics, would state that there would at least be 1 vote for Romney. Hell, even if Romney got 1% of the vote would mean that at least 150 votes but he got none. If that doesn't raise any red flags either nothing will or that you don't have a problem of fraud as long as it further's your agenda. And just to let you know, I'd be equally as jazzed if it had gone the way I wanted. No matter how an election goes down, all I ask is that it is done fair and without fraud. Doing this turns us into Cuba or Venezuela.

SaintLouieWoman
11-14-2012, 12:12 AM
Sadly the judge refused to have a complete recount. I'm hoping they keep up the pressure and get to the bottom of this. They did require picture ID here, but nothing seems to stop a crooked election official with messing around with the figures. I'm glad that West is holding their feet to the fire.

Novaheart
11-14-2012, 12:27 AM
How do you account for out of 19,000+ votes not one going for Romney. Not one mistake. Not one slip of the finger. Not one accidentally marked ballot. Not 1 person who would be a Romney supporter. Obama likes to use the term "simple math". Well, simple math, simple statistics, would state that there would at least be 1 vote for Romney. Hell, even if Romney got 1% of the vote would mean that at least 150 votes but he got none. If that doesn't raise any red flags either nothing will or that you don't have a problem of fraud as long as it further's your agenda. And just to let you know, I'd be equally as jazzed if it had gone the way I wanted. No matter how an election goes down, all I ask is that it is done fair and without fraud. Doing this turns us into Cuba or Venezuela.

There were black precincts in St Pete where Romney only got 2 votes. But we don't have inner city pitch black no white people at all precincts in St Pete. Philadelphia might.

It's curious, for sure, but absent any actual evidence that there was cheating, it just sounds like whining. And no, I didn't whine when we had the Bush and Gore thing in Florida.

Rockntractor
11-14-2012, 12:33 AM
And no, I didn't whine when we had the Bush and Gore thing in Florida.

Seriously, you did not vote fore Gore? I thought you were.... I thought you were................never mind.

NJCardFan
11-14-2012, 01:00 AM
There were black precincts in St Pete where Romney only got 2 votes. But we don't have inner city pitch black no white people at all precincts in St Pete. Philadelphia might.

It's curious, for sure, but absent any actual evidence that there was cheating, it just sounds like whining. And no, I didn't whine when we had the Bush and Gore thing in Florida.

Simple math. Simple statistics.

Apocalypse
11-18-2012, 12:05 PM
Update for those not keeping up.

West went to the judge, he said it wasn't up to him, turned it back to the canvasing board with full discretion. It could have ended West there, but the board being under pressure from every one and the media pouring in, accepted not just a 3 day recount, or partial, but a full recount of all 8 days of early voting.

It is now down to the wire, by noon the recount must be finished, or by law the original tabulation must stand. Meaning all of West's efforts were for nothing and he lost.

But just got this.


#AllenWestRecount - ONE HOUR 15 MINUTES - THE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE MADE - THEN TAKEN TO TALLAHASSEE and CERTIFIED TUESDAY. This can change FYI but this is what they are being told at this moment!!!

That means the recount is done, or near done. And they will make the deadline.

Apocalypse
11-18-2012, 12:08 PM
#AllenWestRecount ON THE PHONE with Gary Angelo Galiano we just had the final meeting, the man in charge was very upbeat, he said ALL VOTES have now been counted. All the memory cards from yesterday have all been uploaded except for the 6 today. That is all we have left to do, be patient, we will have no problem with the noon deadline for noon certification. All numbers have jived, everything is matching up and now we wait for a small period. THEY WILL BE MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT when they all meet again, it should be soon. They expect 1/2 hour. The supervisor IS VERY upbeat! "Happy Days" was used.

FYI, a Republican Commissioner took over last night. So that should end the hijinks.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/video-epublican-commissioner-now-in-charge-of-west-murphy-vote-tabulation8637/

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 12:30 PM
Part of the fuel for this fire is a crock of crap being spread in right wing circles, ie that St Lucie County had some astronomical turnout in excess of registered voters. It's not true, of course. But carry on.

http://www.examiner.com/article/st-lucie-co-fl-announces-141-voter-turnout

Note: After this article was originally published, the St. Lucia County Board of Election published a clarification on their website. They state that the figure of 247,383 is the sum of total ballot cards submitted. The total ballot was spread across two cards. The final total of cards, as well as many of the ward totals, are odd numbers. This means some voters did complete the second half of the ballot. Yes, and I don't find this surprising at all. I watched it here in Pinellas. some people appeared to take much less time to vote than others, walked in and voted for President perhaps and skipped the second card with the legislatively promoted referendum items.

Based on this clarification, actual voter turnout would be a figure greater than 70.46%. The board also published a much longer version of their report online . It still initially lists voter turnout as 140.92%. However, it follows with figures that yield a 70.49% turnout. This means their new voter turnout figure is 13 points higher, or 22.6% higher, than the national average. This also is not surprising, and is very poor journalism, ie editorial masquerading as news. The figure to compare it to would be Florida counties of similar demographics. Florida has very high turn out. In Pinellas, our turn out was something like 73% and yet no one is alleging that there was fraud here.

This still supports speculation that their could be more votes counted than the total number of votes cast.

It wouldn't take much to "support speculation" of that sort in that crowd. What supported speculation was GOP party hacks promoting a lie to the willingly led.

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 12:31 PM
FYI, a Republican Commissioner took over last night. So that should end the hijinks.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/video-epublican-commissioner-now-in-charge-of-west-murphy-vote-tabulation8637/

What hijinks?

Bailey
11-18-2012, 12:45 PM
Part of the fuel for this fire is a crock of crap being spread in right wing circles, ie that St Lucie County had some astronomical turnout in excess of registered voters. It's not true, of course. But carry on.

http://www.examiner.com/article/st-lucie-co-fl-announces-141-voter-turnout

Note: After this article was originally published, the St. Lucia County Board of Election published a clarification on their website. They state that the figure of 247,383 is the sum of total ballot cards submitted. The total ballot was spread across two cards. The final total of cards, as well as many of the ward totals, are odd numbers. This means some voters did complete the second half of the ballot. Yes, and I don't find this surprising at all. I watched it here in Pinellas. some people appeared to take much less time to vote than others, walked in and voted for President perhaps and skipped the second card with the legislatively promoted referendum items.

Based on this clarification, actual voter turnout would be a figure greater than 70.46%. The board also published a much longer version of their report online . It still initially lists voter turnout as 140.92%. However, it follows with figures that yield a 70.49% turnout. This means their new voter turnout figure is 13 points higher, or 22.6% higher, than the national average. This also is not surprising, and is very poor journalism, ie editorial masquerading as news. The figure to compare it to would be Florida counties of similar demographics. Florida has very high turn out. In Pinellas, our turn out was something like 73% and yet no one is alleging that there was fraud here.

This still supports speculation that their could be more votes counted than the total number of votes cast.

It wouldn't take much to "support speculation" of that sort in that crowd. What supported speculation was GOP party hacks promoting a lie to the willingly led.


So then recount the votes, what do you have to worry about?

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 12:58 PM
So then recount the votes, what do you have to worry about?

I sincerely doubt that the fans of Alan West or Paul Penzone will ever be satisfied and accept that their candidate lost the election.

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 01:24 PM
PRESS: Patrick Murphy Certified As Winner Of Congressional Race

Palm Beach Gardens, Fla. – The Murphy for Congress campaign released the following statement in regards to Patrick being certified as the winner of the race for Florida’s 18th Congressional district:

“As expected, the Election Night results have been confirmed,” said Murphy. “It is now time to put the campaign behind us. I am honored that the voters of the Treasure Coast and Palm Beaches have chosen me to be their voice in Congress. Regardless of whether they voted for me or my opponent, I am committed to representing the interests of all residents of Florida’s 18th Congressional district in Washington.”

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 01:26 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BWnBUg9Kxns/UEn_Zq33BbI/AAAAAAAACDs/SPFSX8Yu9l4/s1600/black_baby_crying.jpg

Apocalypse
11-18-2012, 01:26 PM
What hijinks?

You tell me if any of this seems funny.


St. Lucie voting system noted for errors By Pat Beall (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/staff/pat-beall/)

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

However you add it up, vote counts in the bruising battle between Republican U.S. Rep. Allen West and political newcomer Patrick Murphy are disturbing.


Bolstered by St. Lucie County returns, election night math gave Murphy a razor’s edge victory of less than 1 percentage point.


But the outcome raised questions, with 1,950 early votes uncounted and nearly double that number counted twice.



http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/st-lucie-voting-system-noted-for-errors/nS9CQ/


The Florida Division of Elections is sending three employees to St. Lucie County on Wednesday to try to figure out how 799 votes disappeared in Sunday’s partial recount of the close, nationally watched congressional race between U.S. Rep. Allen West and Democrat Patrick Murphy.

“We are concerned whenever there is a question about the accuracy of results,” Florida Department of State spokesman Chris Cate said in an e-mail this afternoon. “We are sending three employees, including the bureau chief, from the Bureau of Voting Systems Certifications, to assess the tabulation process in St. Lucie County.”

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/11/state-concerned-about-st-lucie-county-results-in-west-murphy-race-sending-staff-to-assess/


ST LUCIE ELECTIONS SUPERVISOR ADMITS ERRORS


ST. LUCIE COUNTY — Elections Supervisor Gertrude Walker Tuesday admitted mistakes were made election night when uploading results from the last three days of early voting, blaming human and machine errors.

"I'm not perfect, neither is my staff," Walker said during a Tuesday evening press conference.

Out of 94 precincts, the first 40 — most of them in Fort Pierce — weren't counted at all and the last 54 — mostly in Port St. Lucie and the county — were counted twice, which explains why city votes increased and county votes decreased after the Nov. 11 retabulation of the votes from Nov. 1-3.

There were 3,635 counted twice and 1,953 not scanned at all.

The Nov. 11 retabulation corrected the error, Walker said.

"I'm confident that every vote has been counted accurately," Walker said.


http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/nov/14/st-lucie-elections-supervisor-admits-errors/




"The facts are beginning to emerge about Election Night in St. Lucie County: "They’re painting a very chaotic scene, we’ve heard that before, but we’re learning more details about the chaos. She said they had trouble with 5 disks that they couldn’t upload the information. It’s not that they weren’t uploadable, they were actually blank, so what they did on election night, they got the ballots out, they got the ballot reader out and started stuffing 26,000 ballots into the reader to try to make sure they got some results out in an expedient manner. "

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151134464811733




From Florida: THEY FOUND A BOX OF BALLOTS UNCOUNTED!!!!

ALLEN WEST BEST ON THE GROUND: On the phone with Gary Angelo Galiano - 304 Ballots they found in a box somewhere PLUS AT LEAST another 304 more now. The public is going on, back and forth, attorneys, etc, there is still a box of over a 1000 ballots still missing they are "trying to find" EVERYONE IS SCREAMING and YELLING AND ARGUING, it is flawed and out of control. The state representative has recommended a FULL RECOUNT but the canvassing authority has to approve that.


Stuart, FL – West for Congress campaign manager Tim Edson released the following statement regarding Patrick Murphy’s lawyers’ attempt to get the 19th Circuit Court Judge to disallow the retabulation of early votes agreed to by the St. Lucie County Canvassing Board:

“In a last-ditch effort to suppress the vote, Murphy’s lawyers submitted sloppy and incomplete papers to the Court this morning to try to strong-arm the judge into preventing today’s retabulation already underway. The Murphy team’s motion is procedurally and substantively lacking. With every action attempted, Murphy demonstrates a complete lack of respect and utter disregard for the voters of St. Lucie County.

Murphy’s efforts bring to mind the dark times in our nation’s history when politicians tried to manipulate the law to suppress the votes, and we are appalled by Murphy’s apparent contempt for the voting rights of citizens to have their ballots accurately and fairly tabulated.

Murphy knows there are votes that have not been counted, but he’s taking legal action to ensure the results are certified anyway. Perhaps the Justice Department should investigate Murphy’s attempt to steal himself a seat in Congress at the expense of the voters in St. Lucie County.”





with only 304 votes left to count, the operation has been ordered to "shut down". Apparently the mall where the re-count is taking place has ordered everyone out because the alarm will go off! (What...there is no one there who is SMART ENOUGH to re-set the time on the alarm?) In any case, they are asking everyone to come back tomorrow to count the remaining votes!

UPDATE ALLEN WEST - I asked, how is the alarm being automaticity set, when you guys were here until 2 am on election night? Their response to me.. "We are closing." Sheriff then asked me leave...

Gary Angelo Galiano - I think I figured it out State law says by 12 it has to be certified Murphy tried in court today to get the previous account certified he failed. State law says if you do not make the deadline you must certify the previous count!!!!!!

THEY ARE TRYING TO STALL THIS PROCESS TO GIVE THE RACE BACK TO MURPHY!!!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KX4cubIzSI

Best of all

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 01:31 PM
You tell me if any of this seems funny.








Hearing all the same kind of stuff in Maricopa County, except it's the Mecha and La Raza people making the noise.

Apocalypse
11-18-2012, 01:33 PM
Answer this Nova as to no Hijinks.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-r... (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/)

Allen West’s campaign is ready to “go to war” over a recount as new numbers reveal more ballots cast than voters.

The race for Florida’s 18th Congressional district has taken an ugly turn, with charges of incompetence, illegal activity and possible fraud on the part of local election officials. Democratic challenger Patrick Murphy has declared victory with an apparent 160,328 votes to West's 157,872. However, serious questions arose immediately about the integrity of the vote count, especially in St. Lucie County. On election night incumbent Republican Allen West had maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2000 votes until St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker inexplicably “recounted” thousands of early ballots, resulting in 4,400 vote shift to the challenger. Observers on the scene say the process is biased and the election results are fatally compromised. Mr. West is asking a court to impound the ballots and order a recount.

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a volunteer lawyer for the West campaign, told the Washington Times he is “starting have serious concerns about what is going on.” Mr. Shapiro noted that he is not speaking officially on behalf of the campaign but as a first hand witness seeking to get the facts on the record.

“We are not getting to observe the vote count,” he said. Mr. Shapiro has been overseeing the process at the Riveria Beach vote tabulation center. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines, and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present but they are being blocked from making sure the ballots are marked accurately.




Jeffrey Scott Shapiro, a volunteer lawyer for the West campaign, told the Washington Times he is “starting have serious concerns about what is going on.” Mr. Shapiro noted that he is not speaking officially on behalf of the campaign but as a first hand witness seeking to get the facts on the record.
“We are not getting to observe the vote count,” he said. Mr. Shapiro has been overseeing the process at the Riveria Beach vote tabulation center. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines, and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present but they are being blocked from making sure the ballots are marked accurately.


A physical barrier had been erected making it impossible for the observers to see what was going on. After repeated objections, the observers were allowed to stand behind the people reproducing the ballots. But then the ballot workers blocked their view.“Half of the people reproducing the ballots are crowding together,” Mr. Shapiro said,“to make it impossible for anyone to see what they are doing.” He added that “there is a sense that since they spend so much time obstructing our view they are not reproducing [the ballots] correctly.”

An elderly man who stood up to try to get a better look at the ballots was ordered to sit down. When he asked why, Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher called a sheriff’s deputy to have him escorted out of the building. Team West volunteer Ellen Snyder has also faced the wrath of the supervisory staff.“They screamed at me twice” for asking questions she said, and threatened to have her removed.

Critical questions are also being raised about the estimated 8,000 military absentee ballots, These ballots could decide the election but were only picked up on Wednesday. They are being counted in an area that is off-limits to observers, but no explanation has been given why. Unlike the damaged ballots, the military ballots are not being reproduced but only counted. Yet from a distance Ms. Snyder saw a worker marking them. When she tried to bring this to the attention Mrs. Bucher’s assistant she was ignored. Another observer saw four military ballots in a row being peremptorily invalidated with no explanation. When Ms. Snyder tried to ask Mrs. Bucher a question about what was happening “she looked like she wanted to spit she was so mad. She is very hostile.”

Mrs. Bucher has been a problem throughout the process. When responding to a court order to open polls to early voters on the Sunday before the election, she only informed local Democrats. Republicans only heard about it later, and not from her. During the week she told Republican observers that the vote count was going to be ended and they did not have to show up. But when Mrs. Snyder came anyway she found the counting had continued. On Friday she ordered ballot workers to reproduce some ballots that were already reproduced. No clear explanation for this was given. An online video shows Mrs. Bucher rudely refusing to answer questions posed by local reporter Michele Kirk about the propriety of the vote count.

Read more: TRR: Allen West Seeks Recount Amid Growing Vote Count Scandal - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-r... (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/9/allen-west-asks-recount-amid-growing-vote-count-sc/#ixzz2C391LF3e)
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Novaheart
11-18-2012, 01:41 PM
[COLOR=#000000]Answer this Nova

Gee, with all that you would think a judge would have sided with the people you quoted from the West campaign.

Novaheart
11-18-2012, 01:44 PM
12:35 p.m. EST, November 18, 2012

FORT PIERCE—
A noon deadline has passed to report new returns in the race between Democrat Patrick Murphy and Republican U.S. Rep. Allen West.

Officials in St. Lucie County, where a recount was being conducted, made no announcement of their findings.

Under state law, unless they have received an emergency exemption from the state, unofficial results filed last week will be certified.

Those results showed Murphy the winner in the race by about 1,900 votes.

The 18th Congressional District includes the northern part of Palm Beach County and part of Martin County.

djones520
11-18-2012, 02:53 PM
Don't toot your horn to hard Nova, it's not done yet. He will not be officially certified until Tuesday, which leaves plenty of time to get a challenge in.