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Zathras
11-16-2012, 09:53 AM
Greedy union idiots kill another iconic company of my youth...


Twinkie Maker Hostess to Close

By RACHEL FEINTZEIG

Hostess Brands Inc., the maker of iconic treats such as Twinkies and traditional pantry staple Wonder Bread, is shuttering its plants and liquidating its 82-year-old business.

A victim of changing consumer tastes, high commodity costs and, most importantly, strained labor relations, Hostess ultimately was brought to its knees by a national strike orchestrated by its second-largest union.

The work stoppage, launched Nov. 9 by the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers Union to protest a fresh labor contract, affected about two-thirds of Hostess's 36 plants. The strike was making it impossible for the Irving, Tex., company to continue producing its baked goods, Chief Executive Gregory Rayburn said.

The CEO, a restructuring professional who ascended to the top of the company after its former leader abruptly resigned earlier this year, said the liquidation will take months but require few workers.

link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324556304578122632560842670.html)

Thanks to the greed of union workers, the snacks I grew up with are gone forever.....along with their 18,000 jobs.

Odysseus
11-16-2012, 10:36 AM
Greedy union idiots kill another iconic company of my youth...



link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324556304578122632560842670.html)

Thanks to the greed of union workers, the snacks I grew up with are gone forever.....along with their 18,000 jobs.

Another victory for organized labor! The workers have forced the bosses to quit! The factories are closed! ...uh oh.

SarasotaRepub
11-16-2012, 11:18 AM
And the DUmmies don't care!! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021830337)

Novaheart
11-16-2012, 12:55 PM
And the DUmmies don't care!! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021830337)

Hostess is the poster child of garbage food. It's not surprising that some would see its passing as inevitable. People are demanding higher quality food these days. Few people want their kids eating stuff which ingredients they can't pronounce, high fructose corn syrup, and a shelf life of 12 years.

Novaheart
11-16-2012, 12:56 PM
Another victory for organized labor! The workers have forced the bosses to quit! The factories are closed! ...uh oh.

Did hostess adapt to a changing market?

patriot45
11-16-2012, 01:07 PM
Hostess is the poster child of garbage food. It's not surprising that some would see its passing as inevitable. People are demanding higher quality food these days. Few people want their kids eating stuff which ingredients they can't pronounce, high fructose corn syrup, and a shelf life of 12 years.

Now that was stupid.

noonwitch
11-16-2012, 01:32 PM
My dad used to hide Ding Dongs for me in his closet whenever my mom put me on a diet when I was a kid. I haven't bought any in a long time, but they are so good. It's too bad. Hostess bought out Dolly Madison a while back, so Zingers will also be gone.


It's also a sad day for the defense attorney who represented Dan White. No more Twinkie defense!

SarasotaRepub
11-16-2012, 01:37 PM
I love Twinkies & Ding Dongs. Will have to buy a few cases...

They are excellent survival food as they stay fresh for decades!!!! :biggrin-new:

Bailey
11-16-2012, 01:48 PM
Lets not forget they make wonder bread as well, not just junk food. What saddens me is that only about a third of the workforce of hostess forced a strike, most didn't want to go. They didn't want a 8% cut in pay, how do they feel now to a 100% cut in pay?

Adam Wood
11-16-2012, 02:45 PM
Lets not forget they make wonder bread as well, not just junk food. What saddens me is that only about a third of the workforce of hostess forced a strike, most didn't want to go. They didn't want a 8% cut in pay, how do they feel now to a 100% cut in pay?Not even a third: less than 5000 of the 18.5K Hostess workers are represented by this union, who just crashed the school bus into a tree on purpose. The Teamsters were begging these guys to go back to work, and they just stubbornly refused to even consider it.

Now, out here in the real world, without union representation (I am in one of the very few businesses in existence that is federally barred from unionizing), the rest of us have to take pay cuts in hard times all the time. I'd damn sure rather have an 8% pay cut instead of a 100% pay cut.




I'm pretty sure it isn't in the law anywhere, but it should be: if you strike yourself out of a job, you get NOTHING. No unemployment. No food stamps. No welfare. No Section 8. NOTHING. You did this entirely to yourself, so fuck you very much. Go flip burgers instead, you leech.

Rockntractor
11-16-2012, 02:58 PM
Meaningless to the real issue here, but the Twinkies and Hostess cakes patent's, trademarks and recipes will be bought and Twinkies will probably live on as a snack.

noonwitch
11-16-2012, 03:12 PM
Meaningless to the real issue here, but the Twinkies and Hostess cakes patent's, trademarks and recipes will be bought and Twinkies will probably live on as a snack.



They should publish a cookbook with the recipes, so that they ensure copyrights and all.

Odysseus
11-16-2012, 03:15 PM
Did hostess adapt to a changing market?

Yes, but the union didn't. Hostess has a number of brands which accommodated changing tastes (Wonder Bread has whole grain and whole wheat variants, for example). They've tried to keep their place in the market, but the unions have refused to budge from their model. Labor is a commodity, just like bread. If the demand for labor increases, then wages (i.e., the price of labor) will increase. If demand decreases, wages will decrease, or the number of persons employed will decrease. If the union refuses to accept that wages must float with demand, then they are implicitly accepting lower employment, but that has consequences as well. Eventually, globalization forces a nation's most expensive commodities to compete with nations where they are cheaper. Labor is one of our most heavily subsidized commodities (through mandates such as minimum wage laws, just to give one obvious example), and it is far cheaper elsewhere in the world. If you price yourself out of the market through coercive policies, the market will seek to meet demand elsewhere, whether through outsourcing of jobs or importation of black market labor. These are the consequences of artificial price supports, and they have occurred so often throughout history that they should come as no surprise to anyone, but the lesson of history is that people refuse to learn the lessons of history.

The union refused to adapt, and it has destroyed its source of revenue. The intellectual properties (brands, recipes, etc.,) can be sold, and will end up being produced outside of the US. Don't blame Hostess for outsourcing those jobs. The union did it to themselves.

FlaGator
11-16-2012, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xRA0Ty2zSo

JB
11-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Did hostess adapt to a changing market?Yes, you just witnessed it. They adapted by not caving to outdated union demands. Now there are 18,500 less union pukes out there. The Hostess brands have name value and should get picked up by someone else. Management will more than likely parachute out of there and/or be hired by the company that buys the Hostess names and the new company will make Twinkies in China or some non-union friendly state and all will be right in the world again. ;)

I still can't figure out why the gubmint daddy didn't save these poor union folks. Oh wait, the election is over. And I imagine Michele was against it too.

Madisonian
11-16-2012, 09:07 PM
Lets not forget they make wonder bread as well, not just junk food. What saddens me is that only about a third of the workforce of hostess forced a strike, most didn't want to go. They didn't want a 8% cut in pay, how do they feel now to a 100% cut in pay?

One of my first jobs as an industrial electrician (and my only union employment) was in a commercial bakery in Michigan in the early 70's.
Wonder bread (and similar low cost white breads) are made by a continuous mix process which is basically not a dough process but a mixture of a "sponge" (bleached white flour, water, yeast, sugar, shortening and various chemicals) mixed with more bleached white flour that plops into the pans with the consistency of McDonald's milkshake.

Like sausage and hot dogs, if you have ever seen it made, you would never want to eat it again.

My brother worked at the Hostess (Wagner) Bakery in Detroit (now the sight of the Motor City Casino) as a supervisor for a few years in the late 70's and I remember class trips to the bakery when I was in grade school in the area.

Novaheart
11-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Lets not forget they make wonder bread as well, not just junk food. What saddens me is that only about a third of the workforce of hostess forced a strike, most didn't want to go. They didn't want a 8% cut in pay, how do they feel now to a 100% cut in pay?



Wonder Bread ingredients

Whole wheat flour, water, wheat gluten, high fructose corn syrup, contains 2% of less of: soybean oil, salt, molasses, yeast, mono and diglycerides, exthoxylated mono and diglycerides, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium iodate, calcium dioxide), datem, calcium sulfate, vinegar, yeast nutrient (ammonium sulfate), extracts of malted barley and corn, dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, calcium propionate (to retain freshness).


Alvarado Street Bakery Essential Flax Bread ingredients:

Sprouted organic whole wheat berries, filtered water, wheat gluten, sprouted organic flax seed, oat fiber, cultured wheat, organic dates, freah yeast, organic raisins, soy based lecithin, sea salt

patriot45
11-16-2012, 09:22 PM
Wonder Bread ingredients

Whole wheat flour, water, wheat gluten, high fructose corn syrup, contains 2% of less of: soybean oil, salt, molasses, yeast, mono and diglycerides, exthoxylated mono and diglycerides, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium iodate, calcium dioxide), datem, calcium sulfate, vinegar, yeast nutrient (ammonium sulfate), extracts of malted barley and corn, dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, calcium propionate (to retain freshness).


Alvarado Street Bakery Essential Flax Bread ingredients:

Sprouted organic whole wheat berries, filtered water, wheat gluten, sprouted organic flax seed, oat fiber, cultured wheat, organic dates, freah yeast, organic raisins, soy based lecithin, sea salt

That was stupid.

Rockntractor
11-16-2012, 09:41 PM
That was stupid.

Stupid is his, he has taken it, perfected it, and wears it like a coat.

Odysseus
11-17-2012, 12:07 AM
Wonder Bread ingredients

Whole wheat flour, water, wheat gluten, high fructose corn syrup, contains 2% of less of: soybean oil, salt, molasses, yeast, mono and diglycerides, exthoxylated mono and diglycerides, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium iodate, calcium dioxide), datem, calcium sulfate, vinegar, yeast nutrient (ammonium sulfate), extracts of malted barley and corn, dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, calcium propionate (to retain freshness).


Alvarado Street Bakery Essential Flax Bread ingredients:

Sprouted organic whole wheat berries, filtered water, wheat gluten, sprouted organic flax seed, oat fiber, cultured wheat, organic dates, freah yeast, organic raisins, soy based lecithin, sea salt

Novaheart post ingredients

Cliched liberal mantras, filtered opinions, weak thought, stale ideology, non sequiturs, corny and syrupy ideas, contains less than 0.01% rational thought, original ideas, logic, liberal media talking points to create the illusion of freshness.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 12:09 AM
Novaheart post ingredients

Cliched liberal mantras, filtered opinions, weak thought, stale ideology, non sequiturs, corny and syrupy ideas, contains less than 0.01% rational thought, original ideas, logic, liberal media talking points to create the illusion of freshness.

Just because you don't understand the connection, doesn't mean it's a non sequitur.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 12:10 AM
Stupid is his, he has taken it, perfected it, and wears it like a coat.

I haven't shoveled snow in decades. How about you?

Rockntractor
11-17-2012, 12:17 AM
I haven't shoveled snow in decades. How about you?

I haven't either, I don't use Mexican tools such as the shovel.

Rockntractor
11-17-2012, 12:19 AM
Your mad because I have a pony and you don't.

Zathras
11-17-2012, 12:25 AM
I haven't shoveled snow in decades. How about you?

But you sure have shoveled shit into great big piles with each and every one of your posts here on CU since your very first one.

patriot45
11-17-2012, 12:28 AM
But you sure have shoveled shit into great big piles with each and every one of your posts here on CU since your very first one.

my bad read too fast and drunk!

SaintLouieWoman
11-17-2012, 12:37 AM
Wonder Bread ingredients

Whole wheat flour, water, wheat gluten, high fructose corn syrup, contains 2% of less of: soybean oil, salt, molasses, yeast, mono and diglycerides, exthoxylated mono and diglycerides, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium iodate, calcium dioxide), datem, calcium sulfate, vinegar, yeast nutrient (ammonium sulfate), extracts of malted barley and corn, dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, calcium propionate (to retain freshness).


Alvarado Street Bakery Essential Flax Bread ingredients:

Sprouted organic whole wheat berries, filtered water, wheat gluten, sprouted organic flax seed, oat fiber, cultured wheat, organic dates, freah yeast, organic raisins, soy based lecithin, sea salt

I like healthy food, too, but your remarks are just crass. Most people can't afford that Alvarado bread or it isn't available in their area.

Hostess used to be called Continental Bakery. My mom worked at their St Louis plant as a secretary many years ago. She would be very sad if she heard what happened to the company.

You are the typical lib, supposedly so touchy feely, so sensitive to the needs of others. Bullshit. This is the typical lib reaction, quoting Michelle O type gibberish in response to over 18,000 people out of work.

Just wait til the unemployment figures start stacking up after more of Obama's policies and his union henchmen's activities take even greater hold.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:44 AM
I like healthy food, too, but your remarks are just crass. Most people can't afford that Alvarado bread or it isn't available in their area.

Hostess used to be called Continental Bakery. My mom worked at their St Louis plant as a secretary many years ago. She would be very sad if she heard what happened to the company.

You are the typical lib, supposedly so touchy feely, so sensitive to the needs of others. Bullshit. This is the typical lib reaction, quoting Michelle O type gibberish in response to over 18,000 people out of work.

Just wait til the unemployment figures start stacking up after more of Obama's policies and his union henchmen's activities take even greater hold.

I do the bulk of my shopping at a ghetto Walmart. Poor people don't buy wonder bread, they buy Walmart bread.

Hawkgirl
11-17-2012, 01:52 AM
a shelf life of 12 years.


Does Rock know this?? I am stocking up..I love HOHO's, always bring them with me on roadtrips.


I'm going to have to add them to my survivor stash. For real.

Hawkgirl
11-17-2012, 01:54 AM
my bad read too fast and drunk!


I likes me a drunk Patriot.:cool:

Rockntractor
11-17-2012, 01:56 AM
Does Rock know this?? I am stocking up..I love HOHO's, always bring them with me on roadtrips.


I'm going to have to add them to my survivor stash. For real.

That woman won't let me keeps no one ho around let alone two.

Hawkgirl
11-17-2012, 02:19 AM
Little Debbie is smiling right now...she finally gets to own the Twinkie.


Nova, nice job, being happy unions have now forced thousands more into unemployment. Not surprised though.

Bailey
11-17-2012, 08:21 AM
Please all these snack cakes/twinkies suck compared to tastycakes.

namvet
11-17-2012, 12:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO3zLzedFOw

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:03 PM
my bad read too fast and drunk!

I'm shocked. The only thing more surprising than that would be a meth lab in Polk County.

Rockntractor
11-17-2012, 01:11 PM
Little Debbie is smiling right now...she finally gets to own the Twinkie.


Nova, nice job, being happy unions have now forced thousands more into unemployment. Not surprised though.

You have to wonder why Nova hates this country so much that he would like to see opportunity destroyed for everyone.

NJCardFan
11-17-2012, 01:16 PM
Wonder Bread ingredients

Whole wheat flour, water, wheat gluten, high fructose corn syrup, contains 2% of less of: soybean oil, salt, molasses, yeast, mono and diglycerides, exthoxylated mono and diglycerides, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium iodate, calcium dioxide), datem, calcium sulfate, vinegar, yeast nutrient (ammonium sulfate), extracts of malted barley and corn, dicalcium phosphate, diammonium phosphate, calcium propionate (to retain freshness).


Alvarado Street Bakery Essential Flax Bread ingredients:

Sprouted organic whole wheat berries, filtered water, wheat gluten, sprouted organic flax seed, oat fiber, cultured wheat, organic dates, freah yeast, organic raisins, soy based lecithin, sea salt

Hollandaise Sauce recipe: Butter, egg yolks, lemon juice, salt. And yet no one is telling a fancy French restaurant how to prepare their meals. In short, once again you've decided to interject your Pecksniffian bazoo into other people's business which is pretty funny considering your sexual preference is the least healthy of all and can be proven to cause more death than any Twinkie can. You are the typical liberal elitist who likes to tell other people how to live. There is nothing wrong with eating the occasional Twinkie or Hostess cupcake. Just like there is nothing wrong with having eggs Benedict once in a while. Also, and again pointing out your hypocrisy, I find your statement here funny considering when the story of the school who took away a little girl's home made lunch and forced her to eat chicken nuggets. You defended that school to your last breath even though breaded processed and fried chicken nuggets are crap molded into a little shape. But I guess it's ok when it's your ideology that is being forwarded.

Can we ban this idiot now?

NJCardFan
11-17-2012, 01:18 PM
Does Rock know this?? I am stocking up..I love HOHO's, always bring them with me on roadtrips.


I'm going to have to add them to my survivor stash. For real.

Isn't it amazing that someone who puts another man's equipment into his mouth for recreation is judging what other people put in theirs.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:23 PM
Isn't it amazing that someone who puts another man's equipment into his mouth for recreation is judging what other people put in theirs.

Married women in New Jersey don't perform oral sex on their husbands? No wonder some people are so cranky.

NJCardFan
11-17-2012, 01:24 PM
I do the bulk of my shopping at a ghetto Walmart. Poor people don't buy wonder bread, they buy Walmart bread.

Some private label bread is made by a commercial bakery. When I worked for Maiers, we made IGA bread.

NJCardFan
11-17-2012, 01:26 PM
Please all these snack cakes/twinkies suck compared to tastycakes.

Even Tastykake isn't what they once were. But you're right. Peanut Butter Candycakes are food of the gods.

NJCardFan
11-17-2012, 01:27 PM
Married women in New Jersey don't perform oral sex on their husbands? No wonder some people are so cranky.

Married women in NJ don't go around acting all elitist pointing what others put in their mouths.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:30 PM
Hollandaise Sauce recipe: Butter, egg yolks, lemon juice, salt. And yet no one is telling a fancy French restaurant how to prepare their meals. In short, once again you've decided to interject your Pecksniffian bazoo into other people's business which is pretty funny considering your sexual preference is the least healthy of all and can be proven to cause more death than any Twinkie can. You are the typical liberal elitist who likes to tell other people how to live. There is nothing wrong with eating the occasional Twinkie or Hostess cupcake. Just like there is nothing wrong with having eggs Benedict once in a while. Also, and again pointing out your hypocrisy, I find your statement here funny considering when the story of the school who took away a little girl's home made lunch and forced her to eat chicken nuggets. You defended that school to your last breath even though breaded processed and fried chicken nuggets are crap molded into a little shape. But I guess it's ok when it's your ideology that is being forwarded.

Can we ban this idiot now?

My post didn't say anything about the ingredients of twinkies. I understand your interest in them however, as I understand that they are a form of currency, I"m sure you can get your jollies for some other commodity or privilege.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:33 PM
Married women in NJ don't go around acting all elitist pointing what others put in their mouths.

Martha Stewart made a fortune telling people what to eat, while married and from New Jersey.

You, however, seem obsessed with what one puts in ones mouth. I have only commented on the ingredients in bread.

Bailey
11-17-2012, 01:36 PM
Even Tastykake isn't what they once were. But you're right. Peanut Butter Candycakes are food of the gods.

Ya they had to #$%@ with the recipe, same thing with KFC.
:(


I still love their pies. :D

Hawkgirl
11-17-2012, 01:36 PM
Married women in New Jersey don't perform oral sex on their husbands? No wonder some people are so cranky.


You're being called out on your hypocrisy and your retort is to talk about oral sex. And you wonder why the majority of Americans don't take the gays seriously....in the end end, everything comes down to blow-jobs and sodomy for you folks.

Novaheart
11-17-2012, 01:56 PM
You're being called out on your hypocrisy and your retort is to talk about oral sex. And you wonder why the majority of Americans don't take the gays seriously....in the end end, everything comes down to blow-jobs and sodomy for you folks.

Maybe, before you open your mouth, you should check to see what a post was in response to. Otherwise, you might look stupid.

Originally Posted by NJCardFan
Isn't it amazing that someone who puts another man's equipment into his mouth for recreation is judging what other people put in theirs.

Hawkgirl
11-18-2012, 12:53 AM
Maybe, before you open your mouth, you should check to see what a post was in response to. Otherwise, you might look stupid.

Originally Posted by NJCardFan
Isn't it amazing that someone who puts another man's equipment into his mouth for recreation is judging what other people put in theirs.
Should we ban chicken nuggets in public schools?? NJ was pointing out your hypocrisy and you haven't responded.

Rockntractor
11-18-2012, 12:56 AM
Should we ban chicken nuggets in public schools?? NJ was pointing out your hypocrisy and you haven't responded.

I think she's mad.

namvet
11-18-2012, 10:08 AM
how bout some respect here

http://www.gwoltal.myfastmail.com/files/Twinkie%20Funeral.jpg

Retread
11-18-2012, 09:24 PM
Should we ban chicken nuggets in public schools?? NJ was pointing out your hypocrisy and you haven't responded.

And she never will.

Zathras
11-19-2012, 02:17 AM
how bout some respect here

http://www.gwoltal.myfastmail.com/files/Twinkie%20Funeral.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w2kBbKPyW4c/TzeJxkHZeaI/AAAAAAAAA00/R0cHDh3_bac/s1600/Rtwinkie-cockroach.jpg

m00
11-19-2012, 03:07 AM
Hasn't Hostess had 6 CEOS since 2002? Just saying, didn't seem like it was terribly well run in general.

namvet
11-19-2012, 10:59 AM
mexican twinks???

Will Twinkies prove a sweet deal for Mexican billionaire?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/18/will-twinkies-prove-sweet-deal-for-mexican-billionaire/#ixzz2CgGpzNHn

namvet
11-19-2012, 11:01 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w2kBbKPyW4c/TzeJxkHZeaI/AAAAAAAAA00/R0cHDh3_bac/s1600/Rtwinkie-cockroach.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HNyVaZ4MTCk/UKoYiQzaW5I/AAAAAAABqWo/xCZUCyEPxhc/s1600/theo3.jpg

linda22003
11-19-2012, 11:04 AM
Fear not; it looks like someone will buy the brand and continue making these..... things.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/twinkies-likely-to-live-on-as-hostess-seeks-court-approval-to-sell-assets-1.1043964

noonwitch
11-19-2012, 12:35 PM
When my grandpa came to this country in the 20s, they used to eat Wonder Bread for dessert, because it was so rich.

The church I attended as a kid used to cut up Wonder Bread into little squares to use for communion.

linda22003
11-19-2012, 12:41 PM
The church I attended as a kid used to cut up Wonder Bread into little squares to use for communion.

Yes, and little shot glasses of grape juice, that fit into a tray....

JB
11-19-2012, 07:54 PM
I am stocking up..I love HOHO's, always bring them with me on roadtrips.You won't have to stock up. Whether Hostess collapses or not, they have several long established and easily recognizable brands. And they do very good sales. Produce them without the crushing expenses and you have a money maker. Twinkies, HoHo, etc...will remain.

I hope it's Bain that sweeps in and rebuilds them. Sans unions of course.

Hawkgirl
11-19-2012, 08:01 PM
When my grandpa came to this country in the 20s, they used to eat Wonder Bread for dessert, because it was so rich.


Have you ever had a Wonder Bread white with Nutella sammie? It's better than cake.

Hawkgirl
11-19-2012, 08:03 PM
Yes, and little shot glasses of grape juice, that fit into a tray....

:victorious:


Tough luck for the librat unions and the people they "represent" The product lives on, but the employees, now added to the unemployment percentage.

Great job unions!:won:

Bailey
11-19-2012, 08:51 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b10/lars1701c/542616_196403530484576_878459073_n1.jpg

Odysseus
11-20-2012, 10:41 AM
Just because you don't understand the connection, doesn't mean it's a non sequitur.

If there's no connection, pretending that there is doesn't create one.

Why is it that you feel the need to celebrate the decline of an American icon? Or did I just answer the question by posing it? Hostess was an American success story that was destroyed by union intransigence. A labor cartel has brought down an iconic manufacturer, one of the few remaining manufacturers in America, and you are so caught up in elitist disdain for the product that you cannot see the big picture.


I haven't shoveled snow in decades. How about you?

You shovel enough around here to make up for it.


Should we ban chicken nuggets in public schools?? NJ was pointing out your hypocrisy and you haven't responded.

He won't. Nova quits whenever his hypocrisy is exposed, unless it's in a gay marriage thread, where he will go on until he exhausts the rest of us.

NJCardFan
11-20-2012, 03:25 PM
Martha Stewart made a fortune telling people what to eat, while married and from New Jersey.

You, however, seem obsessed with what one puts in ones mouth. I have only commented on the ingredients in bread.

I never once heard Stewart "tell" someone what they should eat. Only Michelle Obama, Michael Bloomberg, and at least one school that told a parent what a child should eat decided to interject their "moral" and hypocritical superiority on others. Stewart, like those on the Food Network or other cooking/home shows make suggestions and not moral decisions for others so once again, you fail.

NJCardFan
11-20-2012, 03:28 PM
My post didn't say anything about the ingredients of twinkies. I understand your interest in them however, as I understand that they are a form of currency, I"m sure you can get your jollies for some other commodity or privilege.

Answer the question you coward. How can you point out the folly of what is in Wonder Bread when you condoned a school forcing a less than healthy meal down the throat of a small child. Problem is, you can't so you resort to snark which is what makes you the biggest idiot here.