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SarasotaRepub
11-16-2012, 07:58 PM
God, "these people" are just fucking retarded... (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021833474)



Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:55 PM
malaise



Jimmy Carter: "Israelis' Policy Is to Confiscate Palestinian Territory"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elisabeth-braw/jimmy-carter-israelis-pol_b_2144182.html
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Israel and Gaza are again attacking each other, Syria is descending into civil war, four American diplomats killed in Libya: the Middle East is more fragile than ever. "Both sides should cease all hostilities," says former US President Jimmy Carter. "Israel should end its blockade of Gaza, and Western countries should work to facilitate reconciliation between Hamas and their Palestinian rival, Fatah. As long as Gaza remains isolated, the situation in and around Gaza will remain volatile."

Israel's leaders don't want a Palestinian state, Carter tells Metro in an exclusive interview with Metro. Carter, who still conducts international negotiations and is now a member The Elders, won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize. He just returned from a visit to the Middle East.

The chances of a Palestinian state are fading. Whose job is it to fix this situation?

The peace process has been pretty well dormant for the past three years. Of course, in the past we played a key role in being the mediator and conveyer of meetings, but that's not happening either. The first priority would be for the Israelis and Palestinians to take the initiative. But the Israelis have continued with their massive settlement program in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the Palestinians say they won't negotiate as long as Israel is continuing to take over their territory, so there's deadlock. The United States is looked upon by the rest of the international community as the primary interlocutor, so the European Union members don't take action. As a result, there's no intermediary who can move things forward and initiate peace talks.

President Obama says he supports a Palestinian state, but even so there's a deadlock. Does it take even more than the support of a US President to get a Palestinian state?

I think the big change is that the Israeli leaders have decided to abandon the two-state solution. Their policy now is to confiscate Palestinian territory, and they've announced publicly that it the Palestinians have to recognize not just Israel but Israel as a Jewish state, even though 20% of the Israeli community are non-Jews. Netanyahu has also decided that even the Jordan valley has to be under Israeli control. So, those factors indicate quite clearly that Netanyahu has decided that the two-state solution is not what he wants. He wants what is being called Greater Israel, Eretz Israel. That's a new development, and I think everyone recognizes this.

The Arab Spring had worldwide support. Now four diplomats have been killed and the region is considered less safe. Are dictators sometimes better than democracy?

A: I don't think so at all. For example, the Egyptian people had a very safe series of elections. As the Carter Center, we monitored several of these elections, and have also monitored the elections in Tunisia and Libya. I don't think there's any doubt that the termination of the dictators has been a major beneficial development. The outside world just tends to be too impatient. The United States declared our independence from Britain in 1776, and it wasn't until 12 years later that we had a constitution. Egypt is going to have a constitution within a year of the President assuming power.





Just stupid as a Will Pitt Brick...

Why the hell Jews in this country support the Dems is a mystery. Morons like Carter wouldn't
shed a tear if Israel was destroyed.

JB
11-16-2012, 08:10 PM
I'd like to see a Carter interview on Current TV.If Amy tunes in at the same time the number watching the interview will double.


Tierra_y_Libertad

6. Note to Obama: Still looking for a new Secretary of State?I don't think GW is interested in public life. Thanks for thinking about him though.

Madisonian
11-16-2012, 08:42 PM
Carter should assume the same position and status as the Presidents that immediately preceded and followed him, horizontal and room temperature.

Dan D. Doty
11-19-2012, 12:33 PM
I notice when someone attacks Isreal that Moonbats have no problem with that.

But if Isreal defenses herself, Moonbats are the first to condem Isreal.

Those assholes might as well be in the street screaming " Hitler had the right idea!!! ".

FlaGator
11-19-2012, 02:28 PM
Jimmy Carter: "Israelis' Policy Is to Confiscate Palestinian Territory"

If Israel had wanted to "confiscate" Gaza, then they wouldn't have given it to them in the first place.

I wonder how Carter would feel if one of his neigbhors started lobbing sticks of dynamite on to his property and demanding that he drop dead?

Lanie
11-19-2012, 04:05 PM
At this point, I think that should be Israeli policy.

So, let me get this straight. Hamas launches about hundred missles toward Israel, and they weren't supposed to strike back? I don't think so. I'm all for minimizing civilian casualties, but I think it's probably time to throw in the 2 state solution towel. Can't be done with Hamas as the leaders.

SarasotaRepub
11-19-2012, 06:26 PM
This problem will be solved when 1 of the multiple sides kills everyone else. I wouldn't miss
the Pals or the Iranian leadership.

noonwitch
11-20-2012, 09:43 AM
I just wish other liberals would realize that it is Hamas who is holding the Palestinean people hostage to their radical demands. I have sympathy for the average Palestinean. I have no sympathy for Hamas.


Israel is right to demand that Hamas stop firing rockets for 24-48 hours before they'll talk to them. They gave them Gaza, they gave them the Left Bank. They gave them King David's (and Jesus') birthplace. They get to keep their Dome of the Rock. If that's not enough for them, too bad. Israel can bomb them until they have no rockets left to fire.

Jim54
11-20-2012, 05:53 PM
I just wish other liberals would realize that it is Hamas who is holding the Palestinean people hostage to their radical demands. I have sympathy for the average Palestinean. I have no sympathy for Hamas.


Israel is right to demand that Hamas stop firing rockets for 24-48 hours before they'll talk to them. They gave them Gaza, they gave them the Left Bank. They gave them King David's (and Jesus') birthplace. They get to keep their Dome of the Rock. If that's not enough for them, too bad. Israel can bomb them until they have no rockets left to fire.



Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:


"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search



The "Palestinian" cause is bullshit and always has been. It is used to jusify war against Israel. If Israel nuked Gaza and turned the whole strip to glass the Arab world would be ecstatic at the excuse to escalate the war against the Jews while outwardly crying rivers of crocidile tears. And of course the left would be screeching and howling at the loss of their cause celebre!

SarasotaRepub
11-20-2012, 08:20 PM
Exactly right Jim.