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Rockntractor
01-14-2013, 11:49 PM
By REID J. EPSTEIN | 1/14/13 6:49 PM EST Updated: 1/14/13 8:38 PM EST

The White House has identified 19 executive actions for President Barack Obama to move unilaterally on gun control, Vice President Joe Biden told a group of House Democrats on Monday, the administration’s first definitive statements about its response to last month’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Later this week, Obama will formally announce his proposals to reduce gun violence, which are expected to include renewal of the assault weapons ban, universal background checks and prohibition of high-capacity magazine clips. But Biden, who has been leading Obama’s task force on the response, spent two hours briefing a small group of sympathetic House Democrats on the road ahead in the latest White House outreach to invested groups.
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the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

RobJohnson
01-15-2013, 12:00 AM
“How we are gathering data, for example, on guns that fall into the hands of criminals, and how we track that more effectively — there may be some steps that we can take administratively as opposed through legislation,” Obama said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/biden-guns-executive-actions-86187_Page2.html#ixzz2I0t0SyVr

noonwitch
01-15-2013, 12:10 PM
I don't know if there is that much support for a return of the assault weapons ban. I think there is support for a ban on high-capacity magazines in the public, but probably not enough in the House.


I don't like the idea of it being addressed via Executive Orders. These are matters for Congress.

I support strengthening some of the backround check rules-before you all jump on me for that (as it's really the only "anti-gun" thing I support), consider this:

Last weekend, at the Gibralter Trade Center (an indoor flea market) in Taylor, MI, had a gun and knife show, like they have all over the country. Taylor, MI borders on Dearborn, or as many of you call it, Dearbornistan. Let's say a bunch of young men, wearing those little muslim hats and speaking to each other in arabic, come to buy lots of firearms with high-capacity magazines. Are you comfortable with them taking delivery of these weapons, no questions asked? They have the same right to do so that anyone else has.

Janice
01-15-2013, 12:41 PM
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



The right of the Sovereign (President) to bypass Congress and the Courts by extraconstitutional executive orders shall not be infringed.

There, fixed.

linda22003
01-15-2013, 01:20 PM
I don't like the idea of it being addressed via Executive Orders. These are matters for Congress.



Yep, what she said. Or at the very least TRY it that way first!

Molon Labe
01-15-2013, 03:46 PM
I don't know if there is that much support for a return of the assault weapons ban. I think there is support for a ban on high-capacity magazines in the public, but probably not enough in the House.

If the last decade showed anything, it's that a POTUS doesn't care about "support" for something in either the Congress or the US population at large to take away or severly limit a natural right.

Rockntractor
01-15-2013, 04:09 PM
If the last decade showed anything, it's that a POTUS doesn't care about "support" for something in either the Congress or the US population at large to take away or severly limit a natural right.

I need a good meatloaf recipe, whatcha got? I expect it in the recipe forum by 4:00 if possible.

Molon Labe
01-15-2013, 04:34 PM
I need a good meatloaf recipe, whatcha got? I expect it in the recipe forum by 4:00 if possible.

I would do anything for love, but I won't do that.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hJREGwPF6vQ/RtW46UaXfXI/AAAAAAAAA2k/FT7-n4PirlE/s400/meatloaf.jpg

Rockntractor
01-15-2013, 04:37 PM
I would do anything for love, but I won't do that.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hJREGwPF6vQ/RtW46UaXfXI/AAAAAAAAA2k/FT7-n4PirlE/s400/meatloaf.jpg

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Madisonian
01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
I don't know if there is that much support for a return of the assault weapons ban. I think there is support for a ban on high-capacity magazines in the public, but probably not enough in the House.


I don't like the idea of it being addressed via Executive Orders. These are matters for Congress.

I support strengthening some of the backround check rules-before you all jump on me for that (as it's really the only "anti-gun" thing I support), consider this:

Last weekend, at the Gibralter Trade Center (an indoor flea market) in Taylor, MI, had a gun and knife show, like they have all over the country. Taylor, MI borders on Dearborn, or as many of you call it, Dearbornistan. Let's say a bunch of young men, wearing those little muslim hats and speaking to each other in arabic, come to buy lots of firearms with high-capacity magazines. Are you comfortable with them taking delivery of these weapons, no questions asked? They have the same right to do so that anyone else has.

Most of the dealers at Gibraltar or any other gun show are FFL licensed dealers, which means the buyer has to fill out a 4473 (with valid government issued ID) and either have a valid Michigan CPL or the FFL must do a NICS check.
If the seller isn't an FFL, then the Dearbornistanians could buy from Gibraltar as well as looking through the paper or Craigslist, just like anyone else.

Madisonian
01-15-2013, 07:05 PM
“How we are gathering data, for example, on guns that fall into the hands of criminals, and how we track that more effectively — there may be some steps that we can take administratively as opposed through legislation,” Obama said.


Seems to me they have tried the data gathering and tracking administratively once already and Brian Terry ended up dead as a result.
Football fucking monkeys could not have screwed it up any worse.

Retread
01-15-2013, 10:41 PM
From the World Health Organization:
The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens...considering the populations of some of these countries, that's a high body count!

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Hatti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And

United States 4.2

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans or are close to it.

Zathras
01-15-2013, 11:42 PM
I would do anything for love, but I won't do that.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hJREGwPF6vQ/RtW46UaXfXI/AAAAAAAAA2k/FT7-n4PirlE/s400/meatloaf.jpg

Yeah but you will do it by the dashboard light. :smile-new:

Rockntractor
01-15-2013, 11:50 PM
Papua New Guinea 13.0
I wonder how many of these were field dressed, roasted and served with carrots?

Molon Labe
01-16-2013, 10:14 AM
get ready. today you learn all the details of the big poo poo rod were about to get rammed with.

All ammo is pretty much sold out in large areas near me

AR15 prices have doubled