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RED
09-26-2008, 05:03 PM
Some fine fellow recommended I post here in the Welcome wagon. We'll see how welcome I am. :p

Just got banned at another site chock full of neocons, so I figured I'd re-register here. I posted here under the old format as REDD. For some reason, when I registered in the old format, it said RED was taken, but there was no RED. Anyway, I'd say I'm a stauch conservative, to the right of Attila the Hun, and not a neocon. I previously supported the war until about a year ago. I supported Bush, with questions, until the 06 election, when I finally realized the guy has some other agenda. And now, I know what that agenda is, and it ain't good. When I tried to wake people up to what was going on back then, I met a lot of resistence. With America approaching the abyss, it's hard to believe people still support the traitors in the WH, but they do. Pathetic.

Now it's confession time. One of the things that bothers me the most, and I'm pretty embarrassed about it, is, when I was on here before, Gator, and I believe he's still on here, had started a post about the USS Liberty. I didn't know exactly what happened other than I believed the attack by Israel on the Liberty had to be an accident. Because of the lifelong indoctrination and brainwashing we all endure from the Jewish controlled MSM, I supported Israel. It seemed plain, in my brainwashed mind, that Gator was anti-Israel, and I took him to task for it. I want to apologize publicly to Gator and tell him and everybody here, I was 100% wrong, and what an ass I was to never understand the evil that Israel represents. Israel did purposefully attack the USS Liberty and wantonly murdered US sailors, and if they could have gotten away with killing them all, and sinking the Liberty, they would have.

LogansPapa
09-26-2008, 05:53 PM
I want to apologize publicly to Gator and tell him and everybody here, I was 100% wrong, and what an ass I was to never understand the evil that Israel represents. Israel did purposefully attack the USS Liberty and wantonly murdered US sailors, and if they could have gotten away with killing them all, and sinking the Liberty, they would have.

:eek:Oh shit - not this again.

Welcome to the Nut House. :D

JB
09-26-2008, 05:59 PM
Oh man.

When I suggested you post an intro thread, this isn't quite what I envisioned. :D

I remember a REDD being here.

As for this thread...heads up mods.

RED
09-26-2008, 06:00 PM
:eek:Oh shit - not this again.

Welcome to the Nut House. :D

Well, as a veteran of message board wars, I have to admit, that was my first apology. Imagine, I thought, wow, this guy is dissing Israel. I gotta expose him. Christ, I'm so embarrassed I was so stupid. However, there's consolation in the fact that about 95% of Americans are still there gleefully in their ignorance, brainwashed by the kosher media, and can't be convinced otherwise. No wonder America is rapidly going down the tubes.

Thanks for the welcome. I hope America's here for a long time, but I'm having my doubts.

LibraryLady
09-26-2008, 06:31 PM
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RED
09-26-2008, 08:07 PM
Oh man.

When I suggested you post an intro thread, this isn't quite what I envisioned. :D

I remember a REDD being here.

As for this thread...heads up mods.

So you figure the truth isn't allowed here, too? Probably isn't. I find fascism is the rule. That's what I've experienced on every message board I've been on. It's absolutely astounding how deeply ingrained political correctness is in the "free" American people that you can not discuss what is true and obvious, especially if it concerns some minority group and their bad behavior. Of course, to the politically correct, which seems to be most people on the right and left, if they never reported something and confirmed it's true, by their standards, on the MSM, then, of course, it cannot be true. So in the view of the PC citizen, even a mountain of evidence means nothing because they didn't hear it on the MSM. It's pretty pathetic, but amusing, if it wasn't so serious and true. And then, OTOH, it has to be true if Rush Limbaugh, or any of the other locksteppers says it. I'm laughin' ...

SaintLouieWoman
09-26-2008, 11:17 PM
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Good catch.

Cold Warrior
09-27-2008, 07:02 AM
So you figure the truth isn't allowed here, too? Probably isn't. I find fascism is the rule. That's what I've experienced on every message board I've been on....

Oh, I think you'll find this place is different. It attracts a pretty free exchange of ideas and a wide range of ideologies. There are some here who wish individual voices would be silenced, but, on the whole, it's, in my observation, one of the most freeest politically-oriented message boards on the internets.

However after this thread (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=5460), I find your concern with freedom of expression a bit suspect. Particularly after this exchange...



If you could silence all Liberals, would you?
Yeah, why not. They're dangerous to our society. Real Conservatives alone could fix our badly damaged society.

Unless, of course, I'm missing a subtle type of irony.

Sonnabend
09-27-2008, 10:56 AM
So you figure the truth isn't allowed here, too? Probably isn't.Your truth is not mine.


I find fascism is the rule.Grow up.


That's what I've experienced on every message board I've been on. It's absolutely astounding how deeply ingrained political correctness is in the "free" American people that you can not discuss what is true and obvious, especially if it concerns some minority group and their bad behavior. Wild assed conspiracy theories are usually ignored, laughed at and derided. What is "true and obvious" to you is not so for me, nor for others..you are mistaking fascism for genuine disinterest in your POV.

People don't want to listen to your rants...boo freaking hoo.Maybe you've been on one too many message boards and annoyed people so much they just want you gone.

Very few people like having things rammed down their throats by idealogues, or wide eyed conspiracy theorists that scream at the top of their lungs, and sneer at anyone who doesn't buy into their far fetched fantasies.

Your kind of rant reminds me of an old guy on a shtetl in old Russia. His neighbour walks over to the fence and to his horror, sees that his friend has a copy of the local hate rag...the one that screams.."The Jews are doing this...the Jews are doing that..."

"Jacob", he says , aggrieved. "How can you read this kind of rubbish"?

Jacob laughs, and points to a particularly vivid passage "Shlomo, old friend, the magazine, I'll read...here's why...see how powerful I am?"


Of course, to the politically correct, which seems to be most people on the right and left, if they never reported something and confirmed it's true, by their standards, on the MSM, then, of course, it cannot be true. So in the view of the PC citizen, even a mountain of evidence means nothing because they didn't hear it on the MSM. It's pretty pathetic, but amusing, if it wasn't so serious and true. And then, OTOH, it has to be true if Rush Limbaugh, or any of the other locksteppers says it. I'm laughin' ...Please tell me you're not a Truther..........:rolleyes:

NonConformist
09-27-2008, 01:59 PM
Welcome...uh back!:cool:

Zeus
09-27-2008, 02:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWtq-_VYk8

RED
09-27-2008, 02:19 PM
Your truth is not mine.

Well, I understand that, but would you have me banned because you do not agree with me? I think you would.


Grow up.

Thanks for the proof of your arrogance. Derision won't work.


Wild assed conspiracy theories are usually ignored, laughed at and derided. What is "true and obvious" to you is not so for me, nor for others..you are mistaking fascism for genuine disinterest in your POV.
People don't want to listen to your rants...boo freaking hoo.Maybe you've been on one too many message boards and annoyed people so much they just want you gone.

Maybe you're closed minded. But does that give you the right to silence me? I'm not saying anyone has to listen, and I don't care if they don't. I don't want to be silenced by the fascists you appear to agree with. You seem to condone silencing. If the majority don't agree with me, so what? I thought this was America. Obviously, like those who banned me, you have a problem with the meaning of America.


Very few people like having things rammed down their throats by idealogues, or wide eyed conspiracy theorists that scream at the top of their lungs, and sneer at anyone who doesn't buy into their far fetched fantasies.

My kind? Are you Jewish or something?


Your kind of rant reminds me of an old guy on a shtetl in old Russia. His neighbour walks over to the fence and to his horror, sees that his friend has a copy of the local hate rag...the one that screams.."The Jews are doing this...the Jews are doing that..."

"Jacob", he says , aggrieved. "How can you read this kind of rubbish"?

Jacob laughs, and points to a particularly vivid passage "Shlomo, old friend, the magazine, I'll read...here's why...see how powerful I am?"

Please tell me you're not a Truther..........:rolleyes:

Schlomo or Moishe in many cases, are the problem. Are you the Jewish gatekeeper here? Get ready for a rough ride, or will you just beg to have me banned? :rolleyes:

RED
09-27-2008, 02:22 PM
Oh, I think you'll find this place is different. It attracts a pretty free exchange of ideas and a wide range of ideologies. There are some here who wish individual voices would be silenced, but, on the whole, it's, in my observation, one of the most freeest politically-oriented message boards on the internets.

However after this thread (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=5460), I find your concern with freedom of expression a bit suspect. Particularly after this exchange...



Unless, of course, I'm missing a subtle type of irony.

I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

My response was to a hypothetical question. Anyway, all anyone has to do is look at the severe damage modern liberalism has done to America to understand that if you could get rid of the promoters of it, it would be like getting cured of a terminal disease. As it is, we'll just have to continue to suffer because there is no majic bullet to eliminate them.

Cold Warrior
09-27-2008, 05:56 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

My response was to a hypothetical question. Anyway, all anyone has to do is look at the severe damage modern liberalism has done to America to understand that if you could get rid of the promoters of it, it would be like getting cured of a terminal disease. As it is, we'll just have to continue to suffer because there is no majic bullet to eliminate them.

God, do you know how hypocritical it is for someone to appeal for free and open discussion while simultaneously expressing the sentiment that those who disagree with you do "so much damange" that they should be silenced. Indeed, you are a REAL conservative reflecting the same values as those REAL liberals at DU (and the same values as some, but fortunately not all, here).

Two sides. Same coin.

RED
09-27-2008, 06:07 PM
God, do you know how hypocritical it is for someone to appeal for free and open discussion while simultaneously expressing the sentiment that those who disagree with you do "so much damange" that they should be silenced. Indeed, you are a REAL conservative reflecting the same values as those REAL liberals at DU (and the same values as some, but fortunately not all, here).

Two sides. Same coin.

And what are you? A Centrist who can't make up his mind what he really is? I think I explained my position quite plainly. Too bad you don't understand it. I guess this is the problem with commenting on a hypothetical question, in fact, a fantasy question. I guess you deny the destruction that liberalism represents. I think they've had quite enough to say. :rolleyes:

Cold Warrior
09-27-2008, 06:22 PM
And what are you? A Centrist who can't make up his mind what he really is?

Sorry, centrist are not people who "can't make up [their] mind what [they] really [are]." I have a pretty good idea of what I really am, although some here may not like that. Centrist are those who look at situations analytically, rather than ideologically, and make decisions without being beholden to "left" or "right." However, make no mistake, they do make decisions. For example, I'm in favor of a strong national defense, preservation of civil liberties above everything else, low takes, a woman's right to chose, legalization of most (if not all drugs), and, as many here despise, legalization of prostitution. There's nothing indecisive about my positions, believe me.


I think I explained my position quite plainly. Too bad you don't understand it. I guess this is the problem with commenting on a hypothetical question, in fact, a fantasy question. I guess you deny the destruction that liberalism represents. I think they've had quite enough to say. :rolleyes:

Again, I think I and everyone here understands your position. You come here decrying message boards that deny you the ability to express you opinions, but one of your first posts is to advocate denying others the expression of their views and opinions. I understand you quite well. You don't live in LA, do you?

Sonnabend
09-27-2008, 06:51 PM
Well, I understand that, but would you have me banned because you do not agree with me? I think you would.

My, we ARE the persecuted one. Incidentally, show me where I said that. You cant because I didn't.

Save me the paranoid ravings, okay?.


Obviously, like those who banned me, you have a problem with the meaning of America.

Message boards are the property of their respective owners.Piss them off and you get kicked out. Boo freaking hoo. So you got banned.

Whining here wont change it. Take it up with them.


My kind? Are you Jewish or something?

And if I was? Uh..where did I use the words "your kind"? You having visual hallucinations?


Schlomo or Moishe in many cases, are the problem. Are you the Jewish gatekeeper here? Get ready for a rough ride, or will you just beg to have me banned?

Man, did you miss the entire point........:rolleyes:

RED
09-28-2008, 03:59 PM
Sorry, centrist are not people who "can't make up [their] mind what [they] really [are]." I have a pretty good idea of what I really am, although some here may not like that. Centrist are those who look at situations analytically, rather than ideologically, and make decisions without being beholden to "left" or "right." However, make no mistake, they do make decisions. For example, I'm in favor of a strong national defense, preservation of civil liberties above everything else, low takes, a woman's right to chose, legalization of most (if not all drugs), and, as many here despise, legalization of prostitution. There's nothing indecisive about my positions, believe me.

Nothing here I'll argue with as long as you believe in a strong national defense to defend America, not Israel.




Again, I think I and everyone here understands your position. You come here decrying message boards that deny you the ability to express you opinions, but one of your first posts is to advocate denying others the expression of their views and opinions. I understand you quite well. You don't live in LA, do you?

I'm not explaining myself again nor do I offer apologies. Maybe you approve of what liberalism has done to America or maybe you're not happy unless you can start an argument. That's pretty common. Let's just agree to disagree, and come back to fight, or agree, another day.

RED
09-28-2008, 04:00 PM
My, we ARE the persecuted one. Incidentally, show me where I said that. You cant because I didn't.

Save me the paranoid ravings, okay?.



Message boards are the property of their respective owners.Piss them off and you get kicked out. Boo freaking hoo. So you got banned.

Whining here wont change it. Take it up with them.



And if I was? Uh..where did I use the words "your kind"? You having visual hallucinations?



Man, did you miss the entire point........:rolleyes:

Talking with fascists is a waste of time. Obviously, there's fascists here too. Whether the owners of the speech here are on not, remains to be seen. We'll see if this is America or something else, here on this board, or if it isn't.

Sonnabend
09-29-2008, 09:15 AM
Talking with fascists is a waste of time. Obviously, there's fascists here too. Whether the owners of the speech here are on not, remains to be seen. We'll see if this is America or something else, here on this board, or if it isn't.You do not have "freedom of speech" here, as this is private property and what the owner says, goes. You are here by courtesy only, you do not have a right to be here, and you will be removed if you are deemed offensive or abusive.

Posting here is a privilege, not a right, which can be be removed at any time.

You are so advised.


where did I use the words "your kind"

Answer me.


Are you Jewish or something?

Explain why you asked that question,. Aside from the fact that what I believe is none of your damned business, care to explain that remark?

biccat
09-29-2008, 11:55 AM
So you figure the truth isn't allowed here, too? Probably isn't. I find fascism is the rule. That's what I've experienced on every message board I've been on. It's absolutely astounding how deeply ingrained political correctness is in the "free" American people that you can not discuss what is true and obvious, especially if it concerns some minority group and their bad behavior.

Have you tried Stormfront? They're generally accepting of the type of "free speech" you're going on about. You'll probably find a willing audience there as well.

If you happen to have been a Ron Paul supporter (and I wouldn't be surprised if you were), you'll also find many of his devoted supporters there as well.

Sonnabend
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
Oh RED...

this is for yooooooouuu...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

Bubba Dawg
09-29-2008, 07:54 PM
Oh RED...

this is for yooooooouuu...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

Nice. Really. :D