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Elspeth
03-15-2013, 11:07 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/14/sacred-mystery-blockbuster-ratings-bible-confound-/

According to the latest Nielsens, released Tuesday, Sunday night’s telecast of “The Bible,” produced by husband-and-wife team Mark Burnett and Roma Downey for basic cable’s History channel, managed to attract more viewers than anything on broadcast network NBC … during the entire week.

The second installment of this five-part mini-series airing at 8-10 p.m. Sundays through Easter — the first foray into scripted drama for “Survivor” creator Burnett — drew 10.8 million viewers, good for number one in its timeslot and number 11 overall for the week.

Even bigger was part one the week before, which amassed an audience of 13.1 million viewers, cable’s largest of the year. That series premiere topped the ratings for both of the week’s episodes of “American Idol.” (Not the first time the Almighty has bested idols in head-to-head competition in this ancient rivalry — but, still, an impressive feat, even if Fox’s longtime ratings juggernaut is showing signs of slippage.)

Blockbuster ratings for a compilation of bible stories from a reality TV producer taking his first crack at drama? Can’t be. If there was a market for biblical epics, then Hollywood wouldn’t have long ago abandoned the genre, a staple of the feature film industry back in the days of Cinerama. Or was it Cinemascope? Don’t ask me. I wasn’t even alive. Or if I was, I was only just beginning to grasp the essentials of widescreen projection techniques, which was offered as an elective at the nursery school where I was then enrolled.

Makes no sense. It’s not as if “The Bible” got any help from TV critics. Its Metacritic scores averaged just 44, the low end of the “mixed reviews” range as measured by the review aggregation site.

As a cable series, “The Bible” lacked the ready-made, large scale promotional platform and popular lead-in that can drive strong ratings for a new show on a major broadcast network, of the kind NBC was, for many years....


....No critical love. No marketing oomph. No-name cast. Together equal — what else? — ratings smash!

Probably just coincidence, but the same kind of paradox confounded Hollywood some years ago, as it pondered the improbable success of another biblical movie, “The Passion of the Christ.” Of course, that international blockbuster had movie icon Mel Gibson. Not on screen, no. But it did land Jim Caviezel for the lead role. CAVIEZEL. That’s C-A-V …

And once Jim Caviezel was attached to star, it was practically inevitable that “The Passion of the Christ” would go on to become the all-time top-grossing R-rated movie in the U.S., and rake in over $600 million worldwide. As if. No, here again, we must admit, answers are elusive....

JB
03-15-2013, 11:28 PM
Probably just coincidenceIt's no coincidence.

Don't believe for a second what the Left and their puppet masters in the media would have you believe about people and their religious beliefs in this country.

FlaGator
03-16-2013, 01:38 PM
When Hollywood does do Bible based pics it distorts the intention of the story being told. For example Will Smith is doing a movie about Cain that includes some vampiric elements to the tale.
http://screenrant.com/will-smith-vampire-the-legend-of-cain-ross-69042/

In the up coming movie about Noah the writers make Noah in to some sort of environmental extremist.

For the most part it is best that Hollywood refrain for Bible based movies unless they can get them right.

Elspeth
03-16-2013, 01:54 PM
Hollywood doesn't want to do Bible movies, and certainly not movies about Jesus. This is one area where profits don't matter and the desires of audiences don't matter.

noonwitch
03-18-2013, 09:56 AM
I've seen bits and pieces of the miniseries. They used mostly unknowns in casting the various parts.

Even though it wasn't a huge role, I liked the guy who played Samuel. He really fit the part, both in looks and voice.

Janice
03-18-2013, 10:06 AM
Ive downloaded the first 6 episodes. Am still watching the first. Its pretty good considering its a made for tv film.

linda22003
03-18-2013, 10:12 AM
I haven't seen it, but I read the book.

Novaheart
03-18-2013, 10:15 AM
When Hollywood does do Bible based pics it distorts the intention of the story being told. For example Will Smith is doing a movie about Cain that includes some vampiric elements to the tale.
http://screenrant.com/will-smith-vampire-the-legend-of-cain-ross-69042/

In the up coming movie about Noah the writers make Noah in to some sort of environmental extremist.

For the most part it is best that Hollywood refrain for Bible based movies unless they can get them right.

Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; lilit, or lilith) is a Hebrew name for a figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be in part derived from a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts.

Evidence in later Jewish materials is plentiful, but little information has been found relating to the original Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. The relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish Lilith to an Akkadian Lilitu – the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets – are now both disputed by recent scholarship.[1] The two problematic sources are discussed below.[2]

The Hebrew term Lilith first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions, on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

Janice
03-18-2013, 10:30 AM
I haven't seen it, but I read the book.

I too have read the book. Movies are rarely as good as the read and this one would have to be the greatest example of all time. Consider that simply 'reading' the Bible does very little without 'comprehension' and some 'background'. I suppose 'book knowledge' as opposed to 'heart knowledge' or 'experience' might be prominently displayed in this regard to put it very lightly.

I remember my first 'read' only took me a few months as I soaked up everything like a sponge. The second time took about 6 months. The third about a year. Then I mostly followed topics and threads that weave throughout. The more I read the more it seems I move from a topical and historical perspective to deeper meanings which cannot be rushed to fully appreciate. And even then...

Janice
03-18-2013, 10:39 AM
In the up coming movie about Noah the writers make Noah in to some sort of environmental extremist.



One of the first things I noticed too.

linda22003
03-18-2013, 12:54 PM
I remember my first 'read' only took me a few months as I soaked up everything like a sponge. The second time took about 6 months. The third about a year. Then I mostly followed topics and threads that weave throughout. The more I read the more it seems I move from a topical and historical perspective to deeper meanings which cannot be rushed to fully appreciate. And even then...

Someday I'm going to follow one of those programs that takes you through the Bible in a year; I haven't done that yet. I admit I always get bogged down in "the begats", and tend to skip through them pretty rapidly.

FlaGator
03-18-2013, 02:15 PM
Lilith (Hebrew: לילית‎; lilit, or lilith) is a Hebrew name for a figure in Jewish mythology, developed earliest in the Babylonian Talmud, who is generally thought to be in part derived from a class of female demons Līlīṯu in Mesopotamian texts.

Evidence in later Jewish materials is plentiful, but little information has been found relating to the original Akkadian and Babylonian view of these demons. The relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish Lilith to an Akkadian Lilitu – the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets – are now both disputed by recent scholarship.[1] The two problematic sources are discussed below.[2]

The Hebrew term Lilith first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions, on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

In Jewish folklore, from the 8th–10th centuries Alphabet of Ben Sira onwards, Lilith becomes Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. This contrasts with Eve, who was created from one of Adam's ribs. The legend was greatly developed during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadic midrashim, the Zohar and Jewish mysticism.[3] In the 13th Century writings of Rabbi Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, for example, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4] The resulting Lilith legend is still commonly used as source material in modern Western culture, literature, occultism, fantasy, and horror.

We're not discussing Jewish mythology or Jewish mysticism. I am very familiar with extra-biblical literature and I treat it as such, fiction literature which should not be confused with the Bible.

noonwitch
03-18-2013, 03:36 PM
We're not discussing Jewish mythology or Jewish mysticism. I am very familiar with extra-biblical literature and I treat it as such, fiction literature which should not be confused with the Bible.


For what it's worth, the Lilith stories are big with two groups of people: Neopagans and the pretend vampires.

I read about her when I was practicing Wicca. Wiccan magazines like to run stories about goddesses from cultures other than that of the British Isles (since most Wiccans claim their tradition comes from the ancient Celtic culture) . They can't get too much into Scandanavian gods, because eventually you come across some pro-Nazi crap. So one month, they'll have an article about some Chinese goddess, the next it could be about Chango or some other voodoo deity, and then there'll be an article about Lillith.

Bailey
03-18-2013, 03:48 PM
For what it's worth, the Lilith stories are big with two groups of people: Neopagans and the pretend vampires.

I read about her when I was practicing Wicca. Wiccan magazines like to run stories about goddesses from cultures other than that of the British Isles (since most Wiccans claim their tradition comes from the ancient Celtic culture) . They can't get too much into Scandanavian gods, because eventually you come across some pro-Nazi crap. So one month, they'll have an article about some Chinese goddess, the next it could be about Chango or some other voodoo deity, and then there'll be an article about Lillith.

God what daddy issues did you have to practice that religion? I've known several women that were into wecca and all had daddy issues lol

Janice
03-18-2013, 08:48 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/125t0so.jpg
Twins separated at birth?

Why does the devil in 'The Bible' look exactly like President Obama? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295082/Why-does-devil-The-Bible-look-exactly-like-President-Obama.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

http://i.imgur.com/By0w8.gif

Elspeth
03-18-2013, 09:33 PM
For what it's worth, the Lilith stories are big with two groups of people: Neopagans and the pretend vampires.

I read about her when I was practicing Wicca. Wiccan magazines like to run stories about goddesses from cultures other than that of the British Isles (since most Wiccans claim their tradition comes from the ancient Celtic culture) . They can't get too much into Scandanavian gods, because eventually you come across some pro-Nazi crap. So one month, they'll have an article about some Chinese goddess, the next it could be about Chango or some other voodoo deity, and then there'll be an article about Lillith.

Wicca? Really? What exactly was your practice like and how long were you involved?

ABC
03-18-2013, 09:54 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/125t0so.jpg
Twins separated at birth?

I watched last night's episode, enjoyed it ...

Saw the guy playing the part of the devil, and kept wondering who the dickens he reminded me of ... of course ... it WAS Obama! :evil-grin:

This made me laugh this morning after clicking on the Drudge link.

Whether or not was intentionally done, I do not know ... but love it none-the-less. I really do! :biggrin-new:

JB
03-18-2013, 10:39 PM
Why does the devil in 'The Bible' look exactly like President Obama?When asked to comment the devil replied "Come on, I'm not that bad".

noonwitch
03-19-2013, 10:46 AM
Wicca? Really? What exactly was your practice like and how long were you involved?


I was never really in any group, it was something I adapted after reading up on it. Nothing ever really came of any of the rituals I did. I gave it up when 1. I realized how much of it's practice was about trying to manipulate other people for my benefit and 2. I missed Jesus. I discussed this once here with Ginger-I also had been involved in Young Life as a teen, and had asked Jesus into my life at age 16. I think that may be why nothing ever came of my rituals, although I have done some pretty good tarot card readings for people in my time-that was more because I am a good social worker.


There are a lot of different people who practice Wicca, but yeah, most of the women who do have some type of issue with men. I went to a few events, one at a Unitarian Church in a wealthy suburb, and either the women had been abused somehow or they were rich, clueless, plastic-faced women who thought they were royalty, and had found a religion to validate those feelings. My favorite person at that event was a woman from England, who stood up and asked the group "I thought I was coming to Detroit-where are all the black women?".

Elspeth
03-19-2013, 04:38 PM
I was never really in any group, it was something I adapted after reading up on it. Nothing ever really came of any of the rituals I did. I gave it up when 1. I realized how much of it's practice was about trying to manipulate other people for my benefit and 2. I missed Jesus. I discussed this once here with Ginger-I also had been involved in Young Life as a teen, and had asked Jesus into my life at age 16. I think that may be why nothing ever came of my rituals, although I have done some pretty good tarot card readings for people in my time-that was more because I am a good social worker.

So there are really spells and things? That sounds so medieval. Then again, my church is moving back to chant masses so I guess I shouldn't talk. Interesting that it's all about manipulating people. That's one benefit of praying to God, who has a choice whether to answer your prayers or not, sometimes for your own good.



There are a lot of different people who practice Wicca, but yeah, most of the women who do have some type of issue with men. I went to a few events, one at a Unitarian Church in a wealthy suburb, and either the women had been abused somehow or they were rich, clueless, plastic-faced women who thought they were royalty, and had found a religion to validate those feelings.

Oh, no. I bet they thought they were Egyptian queens in a past life. Ever notice how no one was ever a kitchen maid in a previous life? Or the guy who picked up the horse crap? It's always royalty or priestesses or some other nonsense. You'd think if there were past lives, most of them would have been just as uneventful as they are now.



My favorite person at that event was a woman from England, who stood up and asked the group "I thought I was coming to Detroit-where are all the black women?".

LOL! Leave to a Brit to state the obvious. Very funny.

noonwitch
03-19-2013, 05:02 PM
So there are really spells and things? That sounds so medieval. Then again, my church is moving back to chant masses so I guess I shouldn't talk. Interesting that it's all about manipulating people. That's one benefit of praying to God, who has a choice whether to answer your prayers or not, sometimes for your own good.




Oh, no. I bet they thought they were Egyptian queens in a past life. Ever notice how no one was ever a kitchen maid in a previous life? Or the guy who picked up the horse crap? It's always royalty or priestesses or some other nonsense. You'd think if there were past lives, most of them would have been just as uneventful as they are now.




LOL! Leave to a Brit to state the obvious. Very funny.



I used to believe in reincarnation, because I had what I thought were past life experiences. They weren't of me as a queen, they were of me as a Jew dying in a concentration camp. My niece had similar experiences as a small child, in which she was a black child in Africa whose father was a soldier. My theory on this now is not reincarnation, but more of a different understanding of matter and how God works. I'm not saying this is right, but maybe these experiences are allowed by God so that those people's lives and deaths are not forgotten (by humans, not God) just because their bodies were buried in mass graves, or baked in ovens.

My grandpa used to say this-he said our bodies are made of matter, and maybe one little piece contains a piece of some dead person's memory. I'm not a scientist, nor an engineer like he was. What I thought were past life experiences could also be a Jungian thing-images I saw as a child of the death camps that were ingrained into my mind to the point I thought they were real memories. I was a little kid in the 60s. My niece was born in 2000, but when in the past 13 years wasn't there some horrific conflict somewhere in Africa being covered on the nightly news?

The Wicca books all say that spells are like prayers with candles. They are incantations to the Goddess to intervene in human lives-get me that job, make that guy fall in love with me, and so on. One of my friends asked me to hex her father-I told her no way. There are hexes, but I never really put one out there. That former boss of mine who developed impotency was not my fault! He used Rogaine! Mentally picturing me sticking pins in the crotch of a voodoo doll had no power whatsoever!