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Apocalypse
04-28-2013, 11:28 AM
Three big news articles came out on the same day, from liberal sources and all three paint the same picture, Dems in D.C. are getting nervous about the mid-terms.



From the Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obamacare-exemption-talk-lights-up-capitol-hill-90658.html):
Obamacare exemption talk lights up Capitol Hill

By JAKE SHERMAN | April 25, 2013
The Obamacare war is on in Congress.


A top aide to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi sent an email to Democratic offices Thursday afternoon, warning that “Republican trackers” are on Independence Avenue asking lawmakers about the effort to rework which health care insurance members of Congress must use.



One Democratic leadership aide said trackers were asking lawmakers if they thought “it’s OK for members of Congress to be exempt from Obamacare?”



Funny they are racing to make sure their people know the talking points of "We are not seeking a carve-out for our selves". As well as being outraged that some one is asking where they stand on the issue. Also funny that none of the "Media" is doing this work of asking those questions.

The left knows full well that this will be used against them come next year. And these questions are making them nervous.

Next up.




From the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/politics/democratic-senators-tell-white-house-of-concerns-about-health-care-law-rollout.html?partner=rss&emc=rss):Democratic Senators Tell White House of Concerns About Health Care Law Rollout

By ROBERT PEAR | April 25, 2013


WASHINGTON — Democratic senators, at a caucus meeting with White House officials, expressed concerns on Thursday about how the Obama administration was carrying out the health care law they adopted three years ago.


Democrats in both houses of Congress said some members of their party were getting nervous that they could pay a political price if the rollout of the law was messy or if premiums went up significantly.



They are already asking Obama to hold off implementing some of the more costly aspects of Obamacare set to take effect this year and next. Knowing they will be the ones paying for it in the end for supporting the law in the first place.


Democrats blink first on aviation cuts

By KATHRYN A. WOLFE and BURGESS EVERETT | April 25, 2013


The White House and Democrats in Congress argued for months against a piecemeal fix to the budget problems caused by the sequester.


But on Thursday, Democrats caved in and agreed to allow the Federal Aviation Administration to keep air traffic control towers running at close to full capacity.


All it took was a few thousand people standing in line at the airport.



This one is kinda a two-fer.

First notice that last bolded. Kinda interesting they rush passing this right before they all go on recess. Could it be they too don't want to be caught up in the long lines at the airports that they created?

Second, the public wasn't buying their lies on its the GOP's fault for this all with their draconian cuts. And the dems were being blamed.

In all, looks like they are getting nervous. The mid-terms are coming fast, their polls I'm sure they are doing are not looking good, and they know if they fail this year, their done. Obama will be a lame duck for the rest of his term. And they have nothing good to show for his entire presidency.

Zathras
04-28-2013, 11:38 AM
Why should the Dems be nervous about the next election cycle. They'll just bribe the low info voters with more beads and shiny stuff and buy their votes like they did in 2012.

TVDOC
04-28-2013, 11:49 AM
Why should the Dems be nervous about the next election cycle. They'll just bribe the low info voters with more beads and shiny stuff and buy their votes like they did in 2012.

That may work in a presidential cycle, however in the off-year congressional elections....."all politics are local".......

Low info voters tend to be confined to urban areas, and that is not entirely where Senate and HoR seats are won........

The Dems got slaughtered in 2010, and that is certainly possible again if things continue to preceed in the direction they seem to be headed on Obamacare..........seems like every week a new horror story emerges about it, and even the MSM isn't hiding it much anymore......

We'll see.......

doc

Zathras
04-28-2013, 11:55 AM
That may work in a presidential cycle, however in the off-year congressional elections....."all politics are local".......

Low info voters tend to be confined to urban areas, and that is not entirely where Senate and HoR seats are won........

The Dems got slaughtered in 2010, and that is certainly possible again if things continue to preceed in the direction they seem to be headed on Obamacare..........seems like every week a new horror story emerges about it, and even the MSM isn't hiding it much anymore......

We'll see.......

doc

I hope you're correct but I still have my doubts. After the results of the last election I've pretty much given up on the whole electoral process and not going to participate in it any more.

TVDOC
04-28-2013, 11:58 AM
I hope you're correct but I still have my doubts. After the results of the last election I've pretty much given up on the whole electoral process and not going to participate in it any more.

Mrs. D and myself have similiar feelings, we don't even watch news any longer........

doc

Apocalypse
04-28-2013, 12:07 PM
I hope you're correct but I still have my doubts. After the results of the last election I've pretty much given up on the whole electoral process and not going to participate in it any more.
And in by not participating, you are helping them. I know there is corruption gallor, but its not every where. Where I live its under control. But if voters here don't vote, we get Dems who do and they get power.

Voting still maters.

LukeEDay
04-28-2013, 12:29 PM
This is all the same stuff that was said about the Presidential race last year. I still think the Repubs are going to have their asses handed to them in the 2014 mid-terms. Repubs will lose the house, and Pelosi will be speaker again. God help us all.

NJCardFan
04-28-2013, 12:51 PM
I hope you're correct but I still have my doubts. After the results of the last election I've pretty much given up on the whole electoral process and not going to participate in it any more.


Mrs. D and myself have similiar feelings, we don't even watch news any longer........

doc

Then you are an enabler. You can't hide your face in the sand and hope it goes away.

Odysseus
04-28-2013, 01:13 PM
If the Republicans want to really put the screws to the Democrats, they can begin with a Constitutional amendment: "Congress shall make no law applicable to the people, to which it exempts itself." Pass it in the house and force Harry Reid to explain why congress should get an exemption from the garbage that it imposes on us, then campaign on it.


That may work in a presidential cycle, however in the off-year congressional elections....."all politics are local".......

Low info voters tend to be confined to urban areas, and that is not entirely where Senate and HoR seats are won........

The Dems got slaughtered in 2010, and that is certainly possible again if things continue to preceed in the direction they seem to be headed on Obamacare..........seems like every week a new horror story emerges about it, and even the MSM isn't hiding it much anymore......

We'll see.......

doc

The MSM can't hide it without completely fabricating all news about it, which, given MSDNC's proclivities, may not be outside of their intent, but there's no way that they can get away with that in this day and age.

Janice
04-28-2013, 01:17 PM
I wonder if its not a bit of a win/ win for dems. If they retain the senate better for them. If they lose the senate, the GOP who has 'targeted' conservatives and as often as not sides with dems, will hold the senate.

Dont believe it? Look at the House.

The GOP leadership is rife with dem wannabees atm. They cannot and will not be reasoned with (unless you approach them with a leftward slant). I trust them about as far as I can vomit.

But I agree. We have to put our best foot forward. We have to get ourselves and our friends out to vote. And we need to drain the swamp. We need to show the rinos the door and vote in conservatives. Thats if we want to have anything left resembling the constitutional republic we had a few short years ago.

Apocalypse
04-28-2013, 01:36 PM
This is all the same stuff that was said about the Presidential race last year. I still think the Repubs are going to have their asses handed to them in the 2014 mid-terms. Repubs will lose the house, and Pelosi will be speaker again. God help us all.

Na..

We won't lose the House. We could lose some seats yes, but over all will still hold the house.

Senate is leaning GOP. This is how.

Montana Senator Max Baucus is retiring. Montana leans very strongly conservative. Supported Romney by almost 10% in '12. Big gun rights state.

Iowa Tom Harkin is retiring. Iowa is down the middle, but we have a GOP Gov. and congress.

South Dakota Tim Johnson is retiring. Another super strong GOP state. Went for Romney by almost 20%.

West Virginia Jay Rockefeller is retiring. Went for Romney by almost 30%.

That is all the Dems retiring. Ours is Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga. 8% for Romney) and Mike Johanns (R-Neb. 20% Romney). Both likely safe seats.

Then look at who's at risk. There are;

Alaska Mark Begich a freshman Senator who squeaked in; he wonít survive a rigorous challenge.

Louisiana Mary Landrieu supported Obamacare, Gun Control, Immigration reform. All unpopular in her state. Got the medicare deal her state was furious about.

Minnesota Al Franken, who doesn't believe he's gone? He won as a protest vote against Bush, and only barely. 255 vote difference total.

North Carolina Kay Hagan. Very very red state. Freshman Senator elected in the wave of protest votes that put others in office like Franken. Supports gay marriage, Gun Control, supporter of Obama.


All very red states, all high risk to lose.

Currently the GOP has NO Senate seat that is considered High Risk.

21 Democrats and 14 Republicans. That is whats up this cycle. We only need 6 to take it.

Don't forget, no sitting presidentís party has gained Senate seats in the midterm of a second term. Ever!

TVDOC
04-28-2013, 03:41 PM
Then you are an enabler. You can't hide your face in the sand and hope it goes away.

I said that we lost interest (in national politics)......I didn't say that we were not going to vote....we vote in every election, even the local ones.

doc

Bailey
04-28-2013, 05:46 PM
Obama would all but be politically dead if we retained the House and gained the Senate. (dreams a happy dream)

Apocalypse
04-28-2013, 06:29 PM
Obama would all but be politically dead if we retained the House and gained the Senate. (dreams a happy dream)
That he would be. I'm not saying we will have it. But we should make strong gains. Even enough to force the left even if they keep the Senate to make concessions to do any thing, opposed to the dirty dealings now.

If we get the Senate and keep the House. I could see Pelosi retiring. Her party will have a no confidence vote if that happens and oust her. She won't stick around if she is forced into a small chair, a nobody.

Bailey
04-28-2013, 06:46 PM
That he would be. I'm not saying we will have it. But we should make strong gains. Even enough to force the left even if they keep the Senate to make concessions to do any thing, opposed to the dirty dealings now.

If we get the Senate and keep the House. I could see Pelosi retiring. Her party will have a no confidence vote if that happens and oust her. She won't stick around if she is forced into a small chair, a nobody.

Problem is there are enough rino's in the senate(even if we take the senate) to allow obama to nominate whatever USSC choice he makes. So we have to hope we get a Republican President after obama our the USSC could move to the left

LukeEDay
04-28-2013, 06:51 PM
Na..

We won't lose the House. We could lose some seats yes, but over all will still hold the house.

Senate is leaning GOP. This is how.

Montana Senator Max Baucus is retiring. Montana leans very strongly conservative. Supported Romney by almost 10% in '12. Big gun rights state.

Iowa Tom Harkin is retiring. Iowa is down the middle, but we have a GOP Gov. and congress.

South Dakota Tim Johnson is retiring. Another super strong GOP state. Went for Romney by almost 20%.

West Virginia Jay Rockefeller is retiring. Went for Romney by almost 30%.

That is all the Dems retiring. Ours is Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga. 8% for Romney) and Mike Johanns (R-Neb. 20% Romney). Both likely safe seats.

Then look at who's at risk. There are;

Alaska Mark Begich a freshman Senator who squeaked in; he won’t survive a rigorous challenge.

Louisiana Mary Landrieu supported Obamacare, Gun Control, Immigration reform. All unpopular in her state. Got the medicare deal her state was furious about.

Minnesota Al Franken, who doesn't believe he's gone? He won as a protest vote against Bush, and only barely. 255 vote difference total.

North Carolina Kay Hagan. Very very red state. Freshman Senator elected in the wave of protest votes that put others in office like Franken. Supports gay marriage, Gun Control, supporter of Obama.


All very red states, all high risk to lose.

Currently the GOP has NO Senate seat that is considered High Risk.

21 Democrats and 14 Republicans. That is whats up this cycle. We only need 6 to take it.

Don't forget, no sitting president’s party has gained Senate seats in the midterm of a second term. Ever!


I can see what you say, but I still think the Dems will win the House in 2014. I guess we will have to wait and see.




Problem is there are enough rino's in the senate(even if we take the senate) to allow obama to nominate whatever USSC choice he makes. So we have to hope we get a Republican President after obama our the USSC could move to the left


True this.


As for Pelosi retiring? That will never happen. She is too much of a power hungry socialist to retire.

Janice
04-28-2013, 08:22 PM
As for Pelosi retiring? That will never happen. She is too much of a power hungry socialist to retire.



If the dems lose congress she will retire. Hell, youd retire too if you were over 2000 years old ... mummification and botox can only sustain you for so long. http://i.imgur.com/By0w8.gif

Rockntractor
04-28-2013, 08:25 PM
If the dems lose congress she will retire. Hell, youd retire too if you were over 2000 years old ... mummification and botox can only sustain you for so long. http://i.imgur.com/By0w8.gif

She no longer uses a plastic surgeon, she has a taxidermist.

Apocalypse
04-28-2013, 08:52 PM
If the dems lose congress she will retire. Hell, youd retire too if you were over 2000 years old ... mummification and botox can only sustain you for so long. http://i.imgur.com/By0w8.gif

Its not just losing Congress for her, for she will just hold on for 2 more years in hope of re-covering it. For her, it must also be the loss of the Speaker-ship. If she is no longer minority speaker, she will have no reason to stay. She'll pout back to her looney district and have some one else appointed to her seat.

LukeEDay
04-28-2013, 10:39 PM
If the dems lose congress she will retire. Hell, youd retire too if you were over 2000 years old ... mummification and botox can only sustain you for so long. http://i.imgur.com/By0w8.gif


She no longer uses a plastic surgeon, she has a taxidermist.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


I seriously don't think she will retire. Obama will just bend her over his desk, while Mooch-elle watches, and talk her into staying while he is plugging that whatever you call it. Pelosi would just love that. Have you ever seen the way she looks when she talks about him? I know she drips wet with excitement. She is in love with Obama.

Zathras
04-28-2013, 11:59 PM
And in by not participating, you are helping them. I know there is corruption gallor, but its not every where. Where I live its under control. But if voters here don't vote, we get Dems who do and they get power.

Voting still maters.

Not in California where I live. Voting here as a Conservative right now is a waste of time and does not make one bit of difference.

Zathras
04-29-2013, 12:03 AM
Then you are an enabler. You can't hide your face in the sand and hope it goes away.

I'm not hiding my face in the sand. I live in California where the Dems have a super majority in Sacramento and always votes blue for the President. My single vote will not change this simple fact.

Apocalypse
04-29-2013, 12:48 AM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


I seriously don't think she will retire. Obama will just bend her over his desk, while Mooch-elle watches, and talk her into staying while he is plugging that whatever you call it. Pelosi would just love that. Have you ever seen the way she looks when she talks about him? I know she drips wet with excitement. She is in love with Obama.

There is a special place in hell for the images in my mind you just placed in there with that.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_EV43jqGPWxo8Fv1X7mtMMiEni64dW BFiPil05ULy4EkNyPvz

noonwitch
04-29-2013, 03:19 PM
This is all the same stuff that was said about the Presidential race last year. I still think the Repubs are going to have their asses handed to them in the 2014 mid-terms. Repubs will lose the house, and Pelosi will be speaker again. God help us all.


Redistricting after the 2010 Census favors repbulicans, because more states have republican governors/legislatures than democratic ones. I wouldn't worry about the House falling into democratic control in 2014 unless something really big happened between now and then that causes some type of major split in the GOP.


The Senate-well, a lot of dems are retiring. Levin is-I'm not sure which dem is running in the primaries. The rumors are Gary Peters. The GOP rumors are Mike Rogers. That would be a good matchup. When you look at Michigan, most people think it's a solid blue state, which it is on a presidential level. But at the state level-the governor is currently a republican, the MSSC is republican dominated as are both houses of the state legislature. Debbie Stabenow replaced a one-term republican (Spencer Abraham), but Spence was elected pre-911, when the Arab Americans still voted GOP. It's not impossible for the GOP to pick up Levin's former seat.

LukeEDay
04-29-2013, 04:19 PM
There is a special place in hell for the images in my mind you just placed in there with that.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_EV43jqGPWxo8Fv1X7mtMMiEni64dW BFiPil05ULy4EkNyPvz


Sorry, I didn't mean to.. I threw up a little bit in my mouth after posting it.




Redistricting after the 2010 Census favors repbulicans, because more states have republican governors/legislatures than democratic ones. I wouldn't worry about the House falling into democratic control in 2014 unless something really big happened between now and then that causes some type of major split in the GOP.


The Senate-well, a lot of dems are retiring. Levin is-I'm not sure which dem is running in the primaries. The rumors are Gary Peters. The GOP rumors are Mike Rogers. That would be a good matchup. When you look at Michigan, most people think it's a solid blue state, which it is on a presidential level. But at the state level-the governor is currently a republican, the MSSC is republican dominated as are both houses of the state legislature. Debbie Stabenow replaced a one-term republican (Spencer Abraham), but Spence was elected pre-911, when the Arab Americans still voted GOP. It's not impossible for the GOP to pick up Levin's former seat.


Redistricting is a good thing. When you speak of Republican Gov's. There were also more Repub Gov's during the 2012 election. The thing that is helping with them is that the major majority is refusing to join the obamacare exchange.