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Rockntractor
06-06-2013, 11:02 PM
The National Security Agency's warrant for metadata on every single Verizon call for three months is jaw-dropping in its scope. Except, well, the NSA's surveillance of our communications is most likely much, much bigger than that. Technology has made it possible for the American government to spy on citizens to an extent East Germany could only dream of. Basically everything we say that can be traced digitally is being collected by the NSA. We're supposed to trust that our government will be much better behaved, but they're not, and the White House almost admits it. That doesn't mean they're admitting everything.

"On its face, the document suggests that the U.S. government regularly collects and stores all domestic telephone records," The Week's Marc Ambinder writes of Glenn Greenwald's scoop last night. "My own understanding is that the NSA routinely collects millions of domestic-to-domestic phone records. It does not do anything with them unless there is a need to search through them for lawful purposes." Previous reporting from many outlets suggests that's true. In 2006, USA Today's Leslie Cauley reported the NSA was secretly collecting call records with data from AT&T, Verizon, and BellSouth. A source told Cauley, "It's the largest database ever assembled in the world" and that the NSA wanted "to create a database of every call ever made" within U.S. territory. Likewise, in 2011, The New Yorker's Jane Mayer spoke to former NSA crypto-mathematician Bill Binney, who "believes that the agency now stores copies of all e-mails transmitted in America, in case the government wants to retrieve the details later." He thinks the NSA wants all emails to be searchable, the same way we search with Google. "The agency reportedly has the capacity to intercept and download, every six hours, electronic communications equivalent to the contents of the Library of Congress," Mayer said. As Mark Rumold, a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told The Atlantic Wire last night, "This is confirmation of what we've long feared, that the NSA has been tracking the calling patterns of the entire country." Update: In defending the program, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein seems to indicate that the court order is a regular, quarterly thing. "There is nothing new in this program. The fact of the matter is, that this was a routine three-month approval under seal that was leaked," Feinstein said on Thursday.

And the NSA isn't just collecting the things we say. It's also tracking what we buy and where we go. In 2008, The Wall Street Journal's Siobhan Gorman reported that the NSA's domestic data collection "have evolved to reach more broadly into data about people's communications, travel and finances in the U.S. than the domestic surveillance programs brought to light since the 2001 terrorist attacks." That means emails records, bank transfers, phone records, travel records.

Read More while they look over your shoulder>http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/nsa-spying-verizon-analysis/65963/

This would make it easy for people in government to make money on inside trading and other investments, of course these people are of the highest moral fiber and would never do something like that.

NJCardFan
06-07-2013, 12:45 AM
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

'nuff said

Rockntractor
06-07-2013, 12:54 AM
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

'nuff said

When they are done shredding the Constitution in every way they can think of what will we have left?

Rockntractor
06-07-2013, 12:58 AM
All of this should have stopped with Fast & Furious but no one in government will stand up to this man and stop him from running ruff shod over our laws

Odysseus
06-07-2013, 09:42 AM
When they are done shredding the Constitution in every way they can think of what will we have left?

You'll still be able to have a private conversation in an abortion clinic, but nowhere else.

marv
06-07-2013, 08:38 PM
This would make it easy for people in government to make money on inside trading and other investments, of course these people are of the highest moral fiber and would never do something like that.

...and don't forget that they'll get your credit card number when you buy online.

Rockntractor
06-08-2013, 10:23 PM
...and don't forget that they'll get your credit card number when you buy online.

Look at Drudge tonight or for the last 3 days, the stories and evidence are pouring in the scope of Obama's domestic spying is unimaginable.
They want to claim that Bush did the same thing but his intelligence was focused on correspondence with terrorist countries.
If anyone thinks this is only to protect us from terrorism they need only look at how the IRS obtained and used data on Conservative citizens.
Is anybody still naive or stupid enough to think they didn't rig electronic voter systems during the last election wherever possible?
If anyone thinks for one minute that this government can be trusted with any of your information you have to be so willfully blind and uncaring that nothing matters to you anymore.
Here is one for you, do you think this will slow down any as Obamacare goes into effect? Do you think your best interests or the best interests of every other private citizen will be the motive behind their information grab about your health?
If this regime is allowed to continue there can be no doubt we are totally screwed.
Any liberals out there that think this will ultimately be good for them or their party had better think again because you will also lose what you have, I won't be laughing at you and pointing a finger though because when this comes to a festering end we will all be in the same mess and all want to get out from under this iron fist that is forming over us that came from within.

JB
06-10-2013, 03:50 AM
As long as the info is used to capture or kill muzzies, I'm on board.