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megimoo
09-30-2008, 01:41 PM
To begin with, we had the historic turbulence in the markets and the financial sector of our nation, influenced, unquestionably, by global economic turbulence.

And this leads us to the first lie told by the Democrats — that President Bush is responsible for the economic challenges we now confront.

Indeed, it was remarkable to watch the Democratic leadership stand in front of the country and tell the American people that the problems facing us economically are President Bush's problem, not the country's. You talk about political cowardice. One would think that the Party that runs Congress wasn't part of the country or the government — but in fact we all should know that it was Bush and McCain who suggested several years ago that tougher oversight was needed in the market, and Democratic friends of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae demurred. Please.

The second lie told us by the Democrats and their media was that John McCain blew up a "bailout" deal that was ready to be implemented late in the week.

In fact, there was no deal because no one had bothered to consult with the Republican House leadership. McCain, in fact, played an important role in trying to shore up Republic House support for needed legislation.

The third lie told us by the Democrats was that Senator Obama played a significant role in the process.

We now know this, too, is pure fiction of the sort political hacks spin out each election year. Senator Obama was a bystander to history, and mostly had his finger in the air checking where the political winds were blowing. Frankly, he is increasingly just the same old politician. Change, smange.

The fourth lie we were told was that Obama won the Friday night debate.

CNN did a quick poll — the only problem was that their poll, as they even admitted when pressed, contained a disproporitionate share of Democrats. So, they release a poll that Obama won, get it out on the networks, and then people who hear the news assume Obama won and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is deception of the highest order, even beneath the pro-Obama media.

The final lie we have been told is that Governor Palin's interview with a scowling Katie Couric somehow indicated she is not ready for primetime politics.

What it proved, really, was that she is still getting her media sea legs. Well, goodness gracious, when a 30-year pro like Joe Biden makes a gaffe a week, you would think folks might give Palin a month or two to adjust to the national media glare.

The sad truth is that sexism does live — and Governor Palin has been subjected to it nonstop from the media and the Democrats, who have held her to a standard no one else in the campaign has been held to. That is a lie by double standard.

But if you think this is bad, wait until the polls get close again. Steel yourself for many more such examples of mendacity in the weeks ahead. Those who worship at the altar of federal power will do anything to obtain that power, that they might be worshipped by those dependant on them for all those things a powerful government can bestow.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/09/30/five-lies-the-democrats-have-told-you/

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 01:47 PM
Vice President Cheney on Iraq:

"I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators."

(Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03)

Zathras
09-30-2008, 01:53 PM
[SIZE="3"]The fourth lie we were told was that Obama won the Friday night debate.

CNN did a quick poll — the only problem was that their poll, as they even admitted when pressed, contained a disproporitionate share of Democrats. So, they release a poll that Obama won, get it out on the networks, and then people who hear the news assume Obama won and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is deception of the highest order, even beneath the pro-Obama media.

If CNN does it, I wonder just how many other polls are doing it as well? It wouldn't surprise me if the majority are doing this as well.

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 02:02 PM
"Here's why the personal accounts are a better deal. Your money will grow, over time, at a greater rate than anything the current system can deliver -- and your account will provide money for retirement over and above the check you will receive from Social Security."

George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Feb 2, 2005

megimoo
09-30-2008, 02:10 PM
If CNN does it, I wonder just how many other polls are doing it as well? It wouldn't surprise me if the majority are doing this as well.
They have changed the weighting of the polls to favor the Democrats by about ten percent.
They all did this to make it appear that the so called Progressives were winning when they are not.

Polling has become a dirty word and in most cases are very inaccurate but it gives the liberals some small straws to hold on too !

The longer this goes on the more people can see what an Obama presidency will look like and I expect the people voting to strip some flesh from the liberal Democrats asses in this election after their retirement savings have all gone down the tube !

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 02:12 PM
"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03

cat714
09-30-2008, 02:48 PM
They have changed the weighting of the polls to favor the Democrats by about ten percent.
They all did this to make it appear that the so called Progressives were winning when they are not.

Polling has become a dirty word and in most cases are very inaccurate but it gives the liberals some small straws to hold on too !

The longer this goes on the more people can see what an Obama presidency will look like and I expect the people voting to strip some flesh from the liberal Democrats asses in this election after their retirement savings have all gone down the tube !

This is why I don't follow the polls and could care less what they say. Any pollster can design questioning that will reflect favorably or unfavorably towards people and policies. This is the nastiest election year I have personally seen and it's getting to point where I am not watching much TV. Many of our politicians on both sides have let us down, but I believe the democrats bear more responsibility for this mess.

YupItsMe
09-30-2008, 03:00 PM
Vice President Cheney on Iraq:

"I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators."

(Cheney, Meet the Press, 3/16/03)

When were you in Iraq?

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 03:13 PM
When were you in Iraq?

Non sequitur.

megimoo
09-30-2008, 03:15 PM
This is why I don't follow the polls and could care less what they say. Any pollster can design questioning that will reflect favorably or unfavorably towards people and policies. This is the nastiest election year I have personally seen and it's getting to point where I am not watching much TV. Many of our politicians on both sides have let us down, but I believe the democrats bear more responsibility for this mess.
It's a well documented fact that the Liberal Congress and liberal Administrations under Carter and Clinton caused all of this to gain new voters.

Barney Fag And Dodd protected Fannie and Freddie while Clinton's White House budget director Franklin Raines, took home more than $52 million while he was chief executive from 1999 to 2004, according to Equilar data.

Here read this for more information that the Far Left MSM won't report !
http://www.gop.com/Print/?Guid=82d81739-da81-48ea-b329-026ac77bc8ec&pg=news

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 03:24 PM
"There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."

White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03

LibraryLady
09-30-2008, 03:45 PM
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

Teetop
09-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Former President Bill Clinton:

President Clinton: "We Have To Defend Our Future From These Predators Of The 21st Century. They Feed On The Free Flow Of Information And Technology. They Actually Take Advantage Of The Freer Movement Of People, Information And Ideas. And They Will Be All The More Lethal If We Allow Them To Build Arsenals Of Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons And The Missiles To Deliver Them. We Simply Cannot Allow That To Happen. There Is No More Clear Example Of This Threat Than Saddam Hussein's Iraq. His Regime Threatens The Safety Of His People, The Stability Of His Region And The Security Of All The Rest Of Us." (President Clinton, Remarks To Joint Chiefs Of Staff And Pentagon Staff, 2 /17/98)

President Clinton: "Earlier Today I Ordered America's Armed Forces To Strike Military And Security Targets In Iraq... Their Mission Is To Attack Iraq's Nuclear, Chemical And Biological Weapons Programs And Its Military Capacity To Threaten Its Neighbors ..." ("Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq Attack," Agence France Presse, 12/17/98)


Former Vice President Al Gore:

Gore: "You Know, In 1991, I Was One Of Those Who Put Partisanship Completely Aside And Supported President Bush At That Time In Launching The Gulf War. And In That War, We Saw How Saddam Had Threatened His Neighbors And Was Trying To Get Nuclear Weapons, Chemical Weapons, And Biological Weapons. And We're Not Going To Allow Him To Succeed." (CNN's "Larry King Live," 12/16/98)

Gore: "[i]f You Allow Someone Like Saddam Hussein To Get Nuclear Weapons, Ballistic Missiles, Chemical Weapons, Biological Weapons, How Many People Is He Going To Kill With Such Weapons? He's Already Demonstrated A Willingness To Use These Weapons ..." (CNN's "Larry King Live," 12/16/98)


Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY):

Sen. Clinton: "I Voted For The Iraqi Resolution. I Consider The Prospect Of A Nuclear-Armed Saddam Hussein Who Can Threaten Not Only His Neighbors, But The Stability Of The Region And The World, A Very Serious Threat To The United States." (Senator Hillary Clinton [D-NY], Press Conference, January 22, 2003)

Sen. Clinton: "In The Four Years Since The Inspectors, Intelligence Reports Show That Saddam Hussein Has Worked To Rebuild His Chemical And Biological Weapons Stock, His Missile Delivery Capability, And His Nuclear Program. ... It Is Clear, However, That If Left Unchecked, Saddam Hussein Will Continue To Increase His Capability To Wage Biological And Chemical Warfare And Will Keep Trying To Develop Nuclear Weapons." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. S10288)


Sen. John Kerry (D-MA):

Sen. Kerry: "The Crisis Is Even More Threatening By Virtue Of The Fact That Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability, And Is Pursuing A Nuclear Weapons Development Program." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14332)

Sen. Kerry: "If You Don't Believe ... Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn't Vote For Me." (Ronald Brownstein, "On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd," Los Angeles Times, 1/31/03)


Former Sen. John Edwards (D-NC):

Sen. Edwards: "Serving On The Intelligence Committee And Seeing Day After Day, Week After Week, Briefings On Saddam's Weapons Of Mass Destruction And His Plans On Using Those Weapons, He Cannot Be Allowed To Have Nuclear Weapons, It's Just That Simple. The Whole World Changes If Saddam Ever Has Nuclear Weapons." (MSNBC's "Buchanan And Press," 1/7/03)

Sen. Edwards: "The Question Is Whether We're Going To Let This Man [Saddam] Who's Been Developing Weapons Of Mass Destruction Continue To Develop Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Get Nuclear Capability, And Get To The Place Where If We're Going To Stop Him, If He Invades A Country Around Him, It'll Cost Millions Of Lives As Opposed To Thousands Of Lives." (MSNBC's "Hardball,&quot ; 2/6/03)


Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV):

Reid: "The Problem Is Not Nuclear Testing; It Is Nuclear Weapons ... The Number Of Third World Countries With Nuclear Capabilities Seems To Grow Daily. Saddam Hussein's Near Success With Developing A Nuclear Weapon Should Be An Eye-Opener For Us All." (Sen. Harry Reid, Congressional Record, 8/3/92, p. S11188)


Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN):

Bayh: "In My Opinion - And I Do, As You Know, I'm Fairly Hawkish On Iraq. I'm Inclined To Support Going In There And Dealing With Saddam. But I Think That Case Needs To Be Made On A Separate Basis - His Possession Of Biological And Chemical Weapons, His Desire To Get Nuclear Weapons, His Proven Track Record Of Attacking His Neighbors And Others." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/4/02)

Bayh: "The Question Is, Do You Want Saddam Hussein Having Chemical Weapons, Having Biological Weapons, Possibly One Day Having A Nuclear Weapon? Do You Want To Have To Deal With That? And If The Answer Is No, Then What Do You Do About It And When Do You Do Something About It?" (CNN's "Live Event/Special," 12/1/01)


Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE):

Biden: "First Of All, We Don't Know Exactly What He Has. ... We Know He Continues To Attempt To Gain Access To Additional Capability, Including Nuclear Capability. There Is A Real Debate How Far Off That Is, Whether It's A Matter Of Years Or Whether It's A Matter Of Less Than That, And So There's Much We Don't Know." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/4/02)


Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM):

Richardson: "The Threat Of Nuclear Proliferation Is One Of The Big Challenges That We Have Now, Especially By States That Have Nuclear Weapons, Outlaw States Like Iraq." (ABC's "Good Morning America," 5/29/98)


Former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL):

Sen. Graham: "I Don't Know If I've Seen All The Evidence, But I've Seen Enough To Be Satisfied That There Has Been A Continuing Effort By Saddam Hussein Since The End Of The Gulf War, Particularly Since 1998, To Re-Establish And Enhance Iraq's Capacity Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Chemical, Biological And Nuclear." (CBS' "Face The Nation," 12/8/02)


Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL):

Durbin: "One Of The Most Compelling Threats We In This Country Face Today Is The Proliferation Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Threat Assessments Regularly Warn Us Of The Possibility That North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Or Some Other Nation May Acquire Or Develop Nuclear Weapons." (Sen. Dick Durbin, Congressional Record, 9/30/99, p. S11673)


Sen. Russell Feingold (D-WI):

Feingold: "With Regard To Iraq, I Agree, Iraq Presents A Genuine Threat, Especially In The Form Of Weapons Of Mass Destruction, Chemical, Biological, And Potentially Nuclear Weapons. I Agree That Saddam Hussein Is Exceptionally Dangerous And Brutal, If Not Uniquely So, As The President Argues." (Sen. Russell Feingold [D-WI], Congressional Record, 10/9/05, p. S10147)


Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL):

Nelson: "And My Own Personal View Is, I Think Saddam Has Chemical And Biological Weapons, And I Expect That He Is Trying To Develop A Nuclear Weapon. So At Some Point, We Might Have To Act Precipitously." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/25/02)

Nelson: "Well, I Believe He Has Chemical And Biological Weapons. I Think He's Trying To Develop Nuclear Weapons. And The Fact That He Might Use Those Is A Considerable Threat To Us." (CNBC, "Tim Russert," 9/14/02)


Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV):

Sen. Byrd: "The Last U.N. Weapons Inspectors Left Iraq In October Of 1998. We Are Confident That Saddam Hussein Retains Some Stockpiles Of Chemical And Biological Weapons, And That He Has Since Embarked On A Crash Course To Build Up His Chemical And Biological Warfare Capabilities. Intelligence Reports Indicate That He Is Seeking Nuclear Weapons ..." ("Threats And Responses," The New York Times, 10/4/02)


Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA):

Pelosi: "Others Have Talked About This Threat That Is Posed By Saddam Hussein. Yes, He Has Chemical Weapons, He Has Biological Weapons, He Is Trying To Get Nuclear Weapons." (Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. H7777)


Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA):

Harman: "I Certainly Think [Saddam's] Developing Nuclear Capability, Which, Fortunately, The Israelis Set Back 20 Years Ago With Their Preemptive Attack, Which, In Hindsight, Looks Pretty Darn Good." (Fox News' "The Big Story," 8/27/02)


Former Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO):

"Gephardt Said He's Seen 'A Large Body Of Intelligence Information Over A Long Time That He Is Working On And Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction. Before 1991, He Was Close To Having A Nuclear Device. Now, You'll Get A Debate About Whether It's One Year Away Or Five Or Six." (Morton M. Kondracke, "Gephardt Pushes Consensus Action Against Iraq Threat," Roll Call, 9/23/02)


Former Secretary Of State Madeline Albright:

Madeline Albright: "Iraq Is A Long Way From [Here], But What Happens There Matters A Great Deal Here, For The Risk That The Leaders Of A Rogue State Will Use Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons Against Us Or Our Allies Is The Greatest Security Threat We Face, And It Is A Threat Against Which We Must And Will Stand Firm." ("Secretary Of State Madeleine Albright, Secretary Of Defense William Cohen And National Security Adviser Sandy Berger Participate In Town Hall Meeting," Federal News Service, 2/18/98)

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 04:05 PM
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Images/Charts/WarCardChart.jpg

BadCat
09-30-2008, 04:16 PM
And no mention of the 550 metric TONS of uranium that we found in Iraq and just recently shipped to Canada?

Lager
09-30-2008, 04:24 PM
"Here's why the personal accounts are a better deal. Your money will grow, over time, at a greater rate than anything the current system can deliver -- and your account will provide money for retirement over and above the check you will receive from Social Security."

George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Feb 2, 2005

That is still a true statement, do you dispute that?

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 04:29 PM
That is still a true statement, do you dispute that?

I don't dispute anything. Reality might. :cool:

What had started 24 hours earlier, with a modest sell-off in stock markets in Asia, had turned into Wall Street’s blackest day since the 1987 crash. The broad market, as measured by the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, plunged almost 9 percent, its third-biggest decline since World War II. The Dow Jones industrial average fell nearly 778 points, or 6.98 percent, to 10,365.45.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/business/30markets.html?hp

Lager
09-30-2008, 04:33 PM
I don't dispute anything. Reality might. :cool:

What had started 24 hours earlier, with a modest sell-off in stock markets in Asia, had turned into Wall Street’s blackest day since the 1987 crash. The broad market, as measured by the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, plunged almost 9 percent, its third-biggest decline since World War II. The Dow Jones industrial average fell nearly 778 points, or 6.98 percent, to 10,365.45.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/business/30markets.html?hp

Making educated decisions, individuals who are allowed to invest the same amount of money that is paid in Social Security taxes, can provide a better return on their investment. Even taking into consideration the current drop off in the market.

megimoo
09-30-2008, 04:39 PM
When were you in Iraq?
He is much too old and besides has a deferment due to his senility !

LogansPapa
09-30-2008, 04:51 PM
Making educated decisions, individuals who are allowed to invest the same amount of money that is paid in Social Security taxes, can provide a better return on their investment. Even taking into consideration the current drop off in the market.

So as any stock broker might use as his default line: "You’re in it for the long run, aren’t you?"

PoliCon
09-30-2008, 04:56 PM
Of course we can't actually talk about the topic of the thread since that would be damning to the left. We have to distract from the topic of the thread with an irrelivant discussion of Iraq.