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Goldwater
06-11-2008, 10:41 PM
http://reason.tv/video/show/413.html

Good stuff.

Ranger Rick
06-12-2008, 12:33 AM
Good stuff? How so? Federal agents attacking cancer patients, or or what?

wilbur
06-12-2008, 07:25 AM
Good stuff? How so? Federal agents attacking cancer patients, or or what?

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?


Now excuse me while I go take my oxycontin, adarol, ritalin, vicadin.... You feeling ok? Perhaps you should look into some of these dru... err.. pharmaceuticals from honest, decent all american companies. Don't have any symptoms? I'm sure we can find something...

Junebug68
06-12-2008, 08:51 AM
Didn't watch the video, but in general, I've always thought the drug war would be more fun if the hippies fought back :D

noonwitch
06-12-2008, 09:05 AM
Now excuse me while I go take my oxycontin, adarol, ritalin, vicadin.... You feeling ok? Perhaps you should look into some of these dru... err.. pharmaceuticals from honest, decent all american companies. Don't have any symptoms? I'm sure we can find something...[/QUOTE]



I'm sure you have restless legs syndrome, or social anxiety disorder, or as we used to say, leg cramps and shyness.

biccat
06-12-2008, 09:30 AM
Considering that anyone can walk into a doctor's office and claim migraine symptoms and be prescribed pot, I would have to say that California's "medical marijuana" law is more about legalizing pot than catering towards real suffering patients.

Federal drug laws trump California's laws anyway. Good for the feds to move in.

wilbur
06-12-2008, 11:48 AM
Considering that anyone can walk into a doctor's office and claim migraine symptoms and be prescribed pot, I would have to say that California's "medical marijuana" law is more about legalizing pot than catering towards real suffering patients.


I have no doubt about that. More power to them. It should be a states rights issue.



Federal drug laws trump California's laws anyway. Good for the feds to move in.


This is the problem with having so many laws at the federal level. The only thing that really seems to be able to get this issue on the radar is the type of 'state disobedience' that CA is practicing. Even with all it so far, the politicians in DC still won't look at it. I don't think things will ever change if the federal laws are honored on this issue, while waiting for the politicians to wake the hell up.

LogansPapa
06-12-2008, 01:00 PM
Total waste of federal resource. Stupid.:mad:

Goldwater
06-12-2008, 01:53 PM
Considering that anyone can walk into a doctor's office and claim migraine symptoms and be prescribed pot, I would have to say that California's "medical marijuana" law is more about legalizing pot than catering towards real suffering patients.

Federal drug laws trump California's laws anyway. Good for the feds to move in.

The point is that there are legal drugs out there worse in every way for society, there is just less social stigma attached to them than pot.

biccat
06-12-2008, 02:09 PM
The point is that there are legal drugs out there worse in every way for society, there is just less social stigma attached to them than pot.
Yes, but most legal drugs are not handed out fraudulently based on phantom symptoms to perpetuate a lifestyle choice.

Try walking in to a real doctor's office and saying "I have a headache, can I get some opiates?" They will hand you some Tylenol and charge you a few hundred dollars for the trouble. In California if you do such a a thing you will get a prescription for pot, with unlimited refills.

"Medical marijuana" is nothing more than an attempt to avoid actual public debate on the issue of legalizing marijuana. In a few years, Californians will be pushing for complete legalization of pot, claiming that fraud and deceit (intentionally allowed by lawmakers) have made widespread use commonplace. And since things aren't so bad now, then what would be the harm in legalizing marijuana outright?

On the legal issue, possession of marijuana is still a federal crime, and the fed is free to police the issue as long as it is illegal. I hope they bust a few "pharmacies" to clarify that point to Californians.

wilbur
06-12-2008, 03:46 PM
Yes, but most legal drugs are not handed out fraudulently based on phantom symptoms to perpetuate a lifestyle choice.


Without the dispensaries, people can buy pot from a dealer without even having to come up with any phantom symptoms, in perpetuity. I also think your being overly optimistic towards legal drugs and the way they are handed out.



Try walking in to a real doctor's office and saying "I have a headache, can I get some opiates?" They will hand you some Tylenol and charge you a few hundred dollars for the trouble. In California if you do such a a thing you will get a prescription for pot, with unlimited refills.

"Medical marijuana" is nothing more than an attempt to avoid actual public debate on the issue of legalizing marijuana. In a few years, Californians will be pushing for complete legalization of pot, claiming that fraud and deceit (intentionally allowed by lawmakers) have made widespread use commonplace. And since things aren't so bad now, then what would be the harm in legalizing marijuana outright?


I think your right, but what's wrong with all this? It's incrementalism. It's not always a bad thing. You can't always get people to buy the whole farm, all at once.


On the legal issue, possession of marijuana is still a federal crime, and the fed is free to police the issue as long as it is illegal. I hope they bust a few "pharmacies" to clarify that point to Californians.

You have your wish, they bust them quite regularly, AFAIK. CA needs to keep doing what it's doing and other states need to follow the lead till the fed budges and concedes this power; a power which rightfully belongs in the hands of the states. Still not holding my breath though.