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Janice
07-31-2013, 10:47 AM
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Were children smarter a century ago? Test for eighth graders in Kentucky dated 1912 ignites debate over kids' intelligence today

A general examination to test eighth grade students in Kentucky's Bullitt County school system in 1912 has stumped some adults and ignited a debate over the intelligence of children today.

The arithmetic, geography, civil government, physiology, grammar and history questions range from 'What is a personal pronoun?' to 'Who first discovered Lawrence River?' and 'Define Cerebrum'.

Posted on Lew Rockwell, the type-written test has promoted some adults to try and answer the questions, and caused some parents to critique the U.S. school system. >>>

What is a 'pennyweigh', for example? The measurement is approximately 1.56grams, and the term derives from the weight of an English penny during the time of King Henry III.

There has been no shortage of claims in recent years that education within America has declined.

In 1995, the U.S. ranked second after New Zealand in terms of college graduation among 19 countries with comparable data. In 2010, it ranked 13th among 25 countries with comparable data.

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Kids used to be equipped with critical thinking skills prior to todays 'enlightened' big govt indoctrination centers. Wouldnt surprise me one bit if many of todays college graduates couldnt pass an eighth graders test prior to 1950.

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noonwitch
07-31-2013, 12:18 PM
When I was a kid in the 70s, I read all of the Little House books. I remember thinking that some of Laura's assignments were tough-the students had to show off to the community how much they were learning, so she and her friend had to summarize American History to that point (the late 1880s), with her friend taking one half of it and she the other half. They also had to do "mental arithmatics", where they had to do their math verbally without using paper or the chalkboard to write out the work (my teachers wanted to see the work to ensure we didn't get the answers from someone else). And, they had to do all these things in front of an audience of taxpayers who wanted to see what their money was buying them.


Yet, Laura and her friends didn't have to learn Algebra, Science was not a subject in her school, and they didn't have a library or the internet to access in order to help them get the information they needed to write papers on topics.

So I would say that perhaps students were more disciplined in their approach 100 years ago, but they weren't necessarily smarter, depending on how we define smart.

Novaheart
07-31-2013, 12:55 PM
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[B]Were children smarter a century ago?

The short answer is no, children in general were not smarter a century ago. The true answer is more complex.

patriot45
07-31-2013, 05:31 PM
The short answer is no, children in general were not smarter a century ago. The true answer is more complex.

Do not listen to nova, but he is right that he is not smarter than a child!

That test has alot of the things that we were taught back in the 60's. Of course I do not remember my lessons at this late date!:biggrin-new: But when you are in school you should be studying and doing homework. So YES, they were smarter, but they didn't learn diversity!! Or condom 101!

NJCardFan
07-31-2013, 10:22 PM
Short answer, yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLcRHwpYibI

Oh, and this "Zinny" is just as dumb as these women.

Rockntractor
07-31-2013, 10:34 PM
They need to eliminate abortion and go back to the Darwinian methods of the past for child rearing, metal playground equipment, bikes on streets with no helmets, bullies in school yard, small sharp metal toys, smoking in the boys room,the strong, smart and cunning survive!

Janice
07-31-2013, 11:13 PM
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The dumbing down of our once great country is intentional. If people could think, they wouldnt be fooled or controlled so easily. And I seriously doubt the democrat party could have survived any other way. Think about it. Theres no way an unvetted, marxist, muslim, socialist nobody (someone we know nothing about) would have been elected President back then.

And then to add insult to folly the so called opposing party construct would so eagerly desire to become 'like' the dems... or 'dem lite' to be more 'popular' in the media and the dc circuit.

Even the supremes are egregiously affected. Imagine what happens when this generation becomes the 'leadership'. Self esteem and 'affirmative action' will be all the rage.

Is there a dumber voting public anywhere? And look at the massive expense of all this illiteracy and indoctrination ...

Rockntractor
07-31-2013, 11:16 PM
Imagine what happens when this generation becomes the 'leadership'.



Not likely, we are reaching the end of self rule.

patriot45
07-31-2013, 11:18 PM
They need to eliminate abortion and go back to the Darwinian methods of the past for child rearing, metal playground equipment, bikes on streets with no helmets, bullies in school yard, small sharp metal toys, smoking in the boys room,the strong, smart and cunning survive!

Damn Rock, Thats the good old days!

Novaheart
08-01-2013, 12:00 AM
You can't form a valid opinion from that test. In the first place, we have no idea what percentage of students took the test or what percentage passed it. Some of the information is no longer useful. By the same token, we have kids today who can do things with computers that were once considered specialized skills.

We value some knowledge less than we once did and some more than we once did. In general, we recognize that anything which can be easily retrieved from the internet doesn't need to be committed to memory. We now think it's more important to study the culture of history than to memorize the dates. We think it's more important to be able to describe national differences than physical location. I am not saying it's right or wrong, just different.

Doing math in your head is a good skill and trick, but teachers always wanted you to "show your work" otherwise they would accuse you of cheating. Then came calculators and they said that you should continue to show your work in writing in case you were stranded on a desert island without a calculator. Now, they require calculators in advanced math course and only care about the correct answer.

Retread
08-01-2013, 12:10 AM
Having been in the classroom as both student and teacher over 7 decades I can guaran-dam-teee that the students of the 20s, 30s and 40s could wipe the street with today's equivalent population - is all aspects of the term.

Novaheart
08-01-2013, 12:29 PM
Having been in the classroom as both student and teacher over 7 decades I can guaran-dam-teee that the students of the 20s, 30s and 40s could wipe the street with today's equivalent population - is all aspects of the term.

Are you saying that the elite of the time period were superior to the elite of today? I wouldn't think that to be true. I might consider them equals respective to the available body of knowledge, but I think that today's high school whiz kids are probably equivalent to a college whiz kid in the 1920's. There are a lot of really smart kids out there, and some of them even go to public schools.

I went to a hippie high school, but even there there were kids who were really into chemistry and physics. We have a high school here where almost all of the kids are in AP courses. That would appear to be the good news. The bad news is that a lot of them seem to be doing it to please their parents and not because their heart is into it. Even Asian kids complain about the workload and lack of social life.

noonwitch
08-01-2013, 02:17 PM
Having been in the classroom as both student and teacher over 7 decades I can guaran-dam-teee that the students of the 20s, 30s and 40s could wipe the street with today's equivalent population - is all aspects of the term.

My grandpa was an inventor and automotive engineer who never finished high school. He spent 2 years at Cass Tech High School in Detroit, which prepared kids for jobs in the auto factories at the time.

I'm not a science or math person, but I have observed the homework and such for English and History classes. I am disappointed in the way schools have backed off from requiring kids to read the classics-my sister made sure her kids read To Kill A Mockingbird, because the school wasn't teaching it. A Tale of Two Cities used to be required reading for all 9th graders in Michigan-it isn't anymore. My brother's oldest kid doesn't even read books in school-it's all manuals on the computer. And she's in an advanced high school program. It's dry and boring-she might develop her reading skills as well as kids did in the past, but I remember reading A Tale Of Two Cities in high school, and being intimidated by it at first, and the feeling of accomplishment I had after reading it and understanding it.

Eupher
08-01-2013, 05:26 PM
Mrs. E is a music teacher in a public school system.

She's a card-carrying moonbat liberal, but even she says that the level of crap that has little or nothing to do with actually learning something has completely surpassed and overwhelmed actual education.

The teachers teach the test. And then the kids take the test. Rinse and repeat.

The teachers spend more time in what they call "classroom management" (euphemism for out-shouting the students) than they do teaching the curriculum.

The teachers focus on avoiding any sort of conflict with students, because conflict leads to endless reports, counseling or "sensing" sessions, and reams and reams of paperwork.

Therefore, kids don't learn. And a lot of 'em are proud of that.

Are they smarter? No, they're not smarter. Yesterday's kids were more disciplined because they knew if they didn't toe the line, their asses would be held back a grade -- something that's positively unthinkable today. So kids today call the shots and the administrators are completely okay with that.

Teachers have to teach with both arms and a leg tied behind their backs.

Retread
08-01-2013, 11:48 PM
Are you saying that the elite of the time period were superior to the elite of today? I wouldn't think that to be true. I might consider them equals respective to the available body of knowledge, but I think that today's high school whiz kids are probably equivalent to a college whiz kid in the 1920's. There are a lot of really smart kids out there, and some of them even go to public schools.

I went to a hippie high school, but even there there were kids who were really into chemistry and physics. We have a high school here where almost all of the kids are in AP courses. That would appear to be the good news. The bad news is that a lot of them seem to be doing it to please their parents and not because their heart is into it. Even Asian kids complain about the workload and lack of social life.

I stand behind exactly what I said. There has been and always will be the sponges out there who absorb anything put in front of them. I'm closely acquainted with many of them, thank God. They are the only hope of scientific progress as the lame brain left takes over. But... a greater percentage than ever before are leaving school and/or graduating with, at most a 3rd grade education and the colitch grads and their BA degrees in unheard of areas with no application to any beneficial endeavor....

I spent the last 30 years of my working life in a very mixed company of US and international workers with it becoming more and more international as time went by - because the US did not produce the educated young people to do the work.

I'm currently re-reading "Outliers" to remind myself just how lucky I was to grow up when and where I did.

ReinMan
08-02-2013, 12:13 AM
Can't say anything about pre-college education; I have no exposure...

BUT, I have a front row seat at our assembly plant to what colleges are turning out: the interns we have are supposed to be the best of the best of second and third year Engineering students, and fully a third of them are dirt stupid. No problem solving ability, no mental calculation ability, no common sense.

Retread
08-02-2013, 12:15 AM
It is a steadily growing problem - the uncommon common sense.

Janice
08-04-2013, 01:00 PM
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Professor says kids no longer need to learn spelling and grammar because of smartphones

Several skills that every kid once learned in school are going the way of the dodo in a hurry. Diagramming sentences is practically an extinct art, for example. Cursive handwriting and memorized multiplication tables look to be swiftly headed that way.

Apparently, the next thing that kids will no longer need to learn is spelling and grammar. >>>

Spelling and grammar are “a bit unnecessary because they are skills that were very essential maybe 100 years ago but they are not right now,” Mitra said. “Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it and, secondly, because I often skip grammar and write in a cryptic way.”

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Remember when you went to college and came out smarter? Neither do I. Sentence diagramming enables neural connections and teaches structure, syntax and phrase structure. Kind of nice if you ever wish to write intelligently so that people understand you. But as we can see, intelligence is no longer a prerequisite to teach at "higher learning" institutions. Rather left wing zealotry is preferred. This is why our society is collapsing from within. No wonder we have an affirmative action President with zero qualifications... who btw appoints other such fools to head up all the agencies throughout the bureaucracy. The numb nuts our institutions of higher indoctrination are churning out now are our future business and political 'leaders'.

Did I say future? What future?? Oh... right. Future despotic regime, of course.

Novaheart
08-04-2013, 01:07 PM
So sayeth Sugata Mitra. How about this, Sugata Mitra, you worry about what kids in India are learning and we'll worry about what Anglo Saxons are learning.