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NJCardFan
08-06-2013, 02:50 PM
Think about it and get back to me when you can find a social program instituted social program that has been a complete success.

Novaheart
08-06-2013, 04:11 PM
Think about it and get back to me when you can find a social program instituted social program that has been a complete success.

I think the question is flawed. Would you say that Feed The Children is a failure because there are still hungry children? Would you say that the Everglades Restoration can never be a success because you can't really restore the Everglades to pre-1900 condition?

Programs at best can help. Abuse is not conclusive evidence that they don't or even that they are poorly managed. There is always someone abusing any system which has money in it, whether it's Food Stamps or JP Morgan Chase.

I don't know about you, but I think that the advances in medicine via government programs are admirable. We also know that there are many disorders which would get little or no study if left to the free market, because they simply don't have the income potential that Viagra does.

patriot45
08-06-2013, 04:15 PM
Think about it and get back to me when you can find a social program instituted social program that has been a complete success.

No there is not. You should have added - liberal / democrap social program that has ANY success!!

marv
08-06-2013, 06:28 PM
Jeopardy:

answer: NONE!

question: What government social program has ever worked?

The War on Poverty created more poverty.

Medical devices and new medicines are developed in private labs, and delayed by government agencies.

Federal job training programs only produce unuseful idiots.

Rockntractor
08-06-2013, 06:33 PM
The jobs within the bureaucracy are the goals for the programs not helping the recipients of the program, money and power, the purchase of votes. So yes depending on your point of view social programs can be extremely successful.

ReinMan
08-06-2013, 06:40 PM
“I’ll have those n****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

Success!

NJCardFan
08-06-2013, 06:57 PM
I don't know about you, but I think that the advances in medicine via government programs are admirable. We also know that there are many disorders which would get little or no study if left to the free market, because they simply don't have the income potential that Viagra does.

Feed the Children is a non-profit private organization. What the hell are you talking about? Everglades Restoration Project is not a social program so again, what are you talking about?




Programs at best can help. Abuse is not conclusive evidence that they don't or even that they are poorly managed. There is always someone abusing any system which has money in it, whether it's Food Stamps or JP Morgan Chase.

JP Morgan Chase doesn't use my tax dollars so, again, what the hell are you talking about? And welfare/foodstamp program is the biggest boondoggle in my lifetime.




I don't know about you, but I think that the advances in medicine via government programs are admirable. We also know that there are many disorders which would get little or no study if left to the free market, because they simply don't have the income potential that Viagra does.

The program that cured my father in law as well as other people of leukemia and other cancers was privately funded. How many years has the government been trying to find a cure for cancer and no one ever thought of using t-cells? Again, as usual, your attempt at snark fails on it's face so do me a favor and come back when you actually have something useful to contribute although I won't hold my breath.

Novaheart
08-06-2013, 07:19 PM
JP Morgan Chase doesn't use my tax dollars so, again, what the hell are you talking about? And welfare/foodstamp program is the biggest boondoggle in my lifetime.



Tell me you are kidding, please.

Tea Party Patriot
08-06-2013, 07:43 PM
I think Reagan put it best in his '81 SOTU address - "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

I would urge anyone advocating the virtue of socialism to consider that the US has a GDP of $15.8T and a total social program unfunded liability (IOU's for those of you in Rio Linda) of $125T ( $16.5T Social Security + $21.8 Prescription Drug + $86.8T Medicare), not to mention our current national debt of $16.9T.

Put another way, the government would have to seize 100% of everything produced and every service rendered by We the People for nine years without spending another dime just to become solvent.

Any serious economist looking at these numbers would conclude that socialism's only conceivable benefit is empowering the looters of the treasury by enticing lazy, immoral clueless idiots to elect them in return for promises of a life of comfort without work. Socialism is the worst sort of Ponzi Scheme because it twists man's character into believing they are entitled to something they did nothing to earn.

marv
08-06-2013, 08:31 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-ellison-there-s-plenty-money-it-s-just-government-doesn-t-have-it
(snip)

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) told a gathering of Democrats, “The bottom line is we’re not broke, there’s plenty of money, it’s just the government doesn’t have it.”

(snip)

“The bottom line is we’re not broke, there’s plenty of money, it’s just the government doesn’t have it,” Ellison continued, “The government has a right, the government and the people of the United States have a right to run the programs of the United States. Health, welfare, housing – all these things.”

(snip)

Any questions?

patriot45
08-06-2013, 08:42 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-ellison-there-s-plenty-money-it-s-just-government-doesn-t-have-it

Any questions?

Yeah but he's not an American, he is a muslim, and an America hater. A typical lib.

Hawkgirl
08-06-2013, 10:40 PM
A government sponsored social program?

Of course they work...

Look at the Post Office.....no wait
Look at Amtrak.....no wait
Look at Social Security.... now hold on a minute
Medicare? let me try again
Medicaid? Hmmmm....hold on..I'll come up with one....Nova hold your breath.

The government bankrupts any service they have taken over or started. History, libtards, you can't spin your way out of this one.

NJCardFan
08-06-2013, 11:36 PM
Tell me you are kidding, please.

I'm talking before Obama gave one of his contributors an honorarium.


“The bottom line is we’re not broke, there’s plenty of money, it’s just the government doesn't have it,” Ellison continued, “The government has a right, the government and the people of the United States have a right to run the programs of the United States. Health, welfare, housing – all these things.”

*sigh* I mean, really? This is the mindset of this prick? Rep. Ellison, please do me a favor. Please re-read this document. You know the one. The one you swore an oath to uphold: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html Read it? Good. Now please point out the article or amendment that says government has any rights at all.

Of course we all know that this is the complete mindset of the left. The DU believes this. The OWS believes this. Most of the Dems in Washington believe this. And our president certainly believes this. However, the idiots who keep voting these brain dead slugs into office don't see it and allow the left to shift blame to the right. Allow these people to remain in office and allow more of this to happen. Thank you very much liberals.

Novaheart
08-07-2013, 01:41 AM
Feed the Children is a non-profit private organization. What the hell are you talking about? Everglades Restoration Project is not a social program so again, what are you talking about?

My point was that being nongovernmental does not guarantee superior performance, and that just because a program isn't 100% successful doesn't mean that it is of no value.

Novaheart
08-07-2013, 01:45 AM
A government sponsored social program?

Of course they work...

Look at the Post Office.....no wait

There is nothing wrong with the USPS. They do a bang up job and it's a bargain (not to mention amazing) that I can put a Christmas card in my mailbox outside my house and it will be delivered to Rockntractor's mailbox outside his house in about three days. Just today I sent my nephew some cycling gloves, it cost $1.97 and he will have them on Monday in Davis California. Can't beat it with a stick.

patriot45
08-07-2013, 02:05 AM
There is nothing wrong with the USPS. They do a bang up job and it's a bargain (not to mention amazing) that I can put a Christmas card in my mailbox outside my house and it will be delivered to Rockntractor's mailbox outside his house in about three days. Just today I sent my nephew some cycling gloves, it cost $1.97 and he will have them on Monday in Davis California. Can't beat it with a stick.

Wow! You are delusional. You think they are productive and make money getting your Christmas card to Rock in three days!?! I guess they are solvent, right?
3-2-1 but but they have to pre pay their unpaid pensions. There, I saved you from spewing nonsense.

Why are you sending Rock a Christmas card?

NJCardFan
08-07-2013, 04:31 AM
My point was that being nongovernmental does not guarantee superior performance, and that just because a program isn't 100% successful doesn't mean that it is of no value.
Then answer the question: what government social program works?

SarasotaRepub
08-07-2013, 09:45 AM
Why are you sending Rock a Christmas card?


DON'T OPEN IT!!! IT'S A TRAP!!!! :biggrin-new:

txradioguy
08-07-2013, 10:21 AM
There is nothing wrong with the USPS.

Yeah except they're walking the fine line of bankruptcy they're closing post offices left and right and shrinking services.


Other than that...they're a smashing success.

Novaheart
08-07-2013, 11:25 AM
Yeah except they're walking the fine line of bankruptcy they're closing post offices left and right and shrinking services.


Other than that...they're a smashing success.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/29/save-americas-postal-service/ad-save-americas-postal-service-claims-rule-congre/

Novaheart
08-07-2013, 11:27 AM
Wow! You are delusional. You think they are productive and make money getting your Christmas card to Rock in three days!?! I guess they are solvent, right?
3-2-1 but but they have to pre pay their unpaid pensions. There, I saved you from spewing nonsense.

Why are you sending Rock a Christmas card?

Don't let the facts confuse you. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/29/save-americas-postal-service/ad-save-americas-postal-service-claims-rule-congre/

txradioguy
08-07-2013, 03:10 PM
Don't let the facts confuse you. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/sep/29/save-americas-postal-service/ad-save-americas-postal-service-claims-rule-congre/

Politifact? Why don't you just cite Wikipedia?

NJCardFan
08-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Politifact? Why don't you just cite Wikipedia?

Or Media Matters. But they are considering cutting USPS services like Saturday delivery. They had already dropped express mail delivery and have closed several offices. But, yeah, it's a roaring success. :rolleyes: Of course this is leaving out the fact that THE USPS IS NOT A SOCIAL PROGRAM makes no never mind to Nova. Can't let facts get in the way of a good story. :rolleyes: