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Elspeth
08-06-2013, 05:45 PM
Just Spread Detroit's Failure, Why Don't Ya?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/just_spread_detroits_failure_why_dont_ya.html


Robert B. Reich, the little man with big liberal ideas, has a big idea for bailing out Detroit. It's a simple big idea, which just goes to show Reich's genius. Great thinkers get to the nub of things.

In a nutshell, Reich wants to make things right in Detroit by expanding its boundaries. Or does he want to expand the burbs' boundaries to encompass Detroit? Doesn't matter, really. The key to Reich's ingenious plan is for miserably failed Detroit to glom onto the burbs for resources -- that would be money, in plain English.

But let's permit the Master, via the Detroit Free Press, to explain the rationale behind his latest big idea:





Much in modern America depends on where you draw boundaries, and who's inside and who's outside. Who is included in the social contract?

If Detroit is defined as the larger metro area that includes its suburbs, it has enough money to provide all its residents with adequate if not good public services, without falling into bankruptcy. It would come down to a question of whether the more affluent areas of this Detroit were willing to subsidize the poor inner city through their tax dollars and help it rebound. That's an awkward question that the more affluent areas would probably rather not have to face.

Drawing the relevant boundary to include just the poor inner city, and requiring those within that boundary to take care of their compounded problems by themselves, lets the whiter and more affluent suburbs off the hook. Their city isn't in trouble. It's that other one -- called Detroit.


More at the link.

Rockntractor
08-06-2013, 06:09 PM
Brilliant! If you suffer total and complete failure just encompass others so they can share the expense of your failure and fail themselves.
When you lose just conquer your neighbors and divide the spoil!

Rockntractor
08-06-2013, 06:13 PM
The Soviet Union did this but soon they ran out of countries they could conquer and exhausted all their resources, sooner or later you have to look within and solve your problems or disintegrate into nothingness.

Rockntractor
08-06-2013, 06:20 PM
The answer to Detroit's problems could be found by close examination of their past and honest evaluation followed by hard work, these people do not have the intellectual capacity nor the physical drive and ambition to rebuild their city.

Elspeth
08-06-2013, 06:31 PM
Brilliant! If you suffer total and complete failure just encompass others so they can share the expense of your failure and fail themselves.
When you lose just conquer your neighbors and divide the spoil!

There's an admission there, you know.

ReinMan
08-06-2013, 08:07 PM
Perfect. Let's expand 'white flight' to the four surrounding counties, next.

Pretty soon the entire auto industry would need to move to some other state, cause they won't find anyone willing to commute across two wasteland counties in Michigan to get to work.

We'll take 'Automation Alley' with us when we leave, too!

I vote for Texas...

SarasotaRepub
08-06-2013, 08:36 PM
WTF makes him think the inner city would "rebound" I mean honestly, does anyone
but him and some LibTards buy that load of horseshit??? :rolleyes:

Elspeth
08-06-2013, 08:43 PM
WTF makes him think the inner city would "rebound" I mean honestly, does anyone
but him and some LibTards buy that load of horseshit??? :rolleyes:

They see it as a money problem, not a long term behavioral issue.

marv
08-06-2013, 08:44 PM
Much in modern America depends on where you draw boundaries, and who's inside and who's outside. Who is included in the social contract?



It seems to me that some have already decided that. They moved outside the boundaries because they DIDN'T want to be included in the "social contract".

Small minded people like 4th Reich can't think past tomorrow's consequences.

noonwitch
08-07-2013, 09:54 AM
Two ways for Detroit to get some cash quickly and shore up some of it's debt:

1. Sell/lease Belle Isle to the state for the deal that was offered earlier this year. It will give the city some cash and relieve it of a burden, upkeep-wise. The state will tear down the structures that need to be torn down and maintain the ones that are in good shape. It'll be safer, too.

2. Make the Water Department into a regional body and give up the monopoly. All the suburbs buy their water from the city, and all the suburbs want it to be a cooperative, so that the city of Detroit no longer controls the water rates without any oversight from some of their largest customers. The burbs would have to buy in, which would give the city some cash to shore up pensions of retirees.



Incidentally, the mayoral primary was held yesterday. The write-in white candidate, Mike Duggan, won with 53% of the vote, Sheriff Benny Napoleon came in second with 30% of the vote, so the race is on between them in November.

Elspeth
08-07-2013, 11:34 AM
Two ways for Detroit to get some cash quickly and shore up some of it's debt:

1. Sell/lease Belle Isle to the state for the deal that was offered earlier this year. It will give the city some cash and relieve it of a burden, upkeep-wise. The state will tear down the structures that need to be torn down and maintain the ones that are in good shape. It'll be safer, too.

2. Make the Water Department into a regional body and give up the monopoly. All the suburbs buy their water from the city, and all the suburbs want it to be a cooperative, so that the city of Detroit no longer controls the water rates without any oversight from some of their largest customers. The burbs would have to buy in, which would give the city some cash to shore up pensions of retirees.



Incidentally, the mayoral primary was held yesterday. The write-in white candidate, Mike Duggan, won with 53% of the vote, Sheriff Benny Napoleon came in second with 30% of the vote, so the race is on between them in November.

You need to send your recommendations to both mayoral candidates. Both ideas sound very reasonable and could get the ball rolling.

Novaheart
08-07-2013, 11:50 AM
There has been a demand for this sort of thing for decades now in all major cities focussed not on city services but on the performance disparity between urban and suburban schools. The big ass lie underlying this objective is that the city schools are "underfunded". Underfunded is one of those weasel words that "activists" like to use because it doesn't really mean anything, and usually isn't true.

For example, Philadelphia schools are said to be underfunded because they are funded less than Lower Merion. In Detroit they say that the schools are underfunded because some suburban enclaves (The area has strange municipal school districts) spend a lot more per pupil than the city does. Of course this totally ignores that the lowest per pupil expenditure is also in a largely white Detroit suburb. Both the Detroit and Philadelphia schools spend over $9K per year per pupil which is the same as most places on the US map and higher than a lot of places on the US map.

I have personally witnessed a de facto annex of a suburban county. When I was a kid, there were still farms inside the beltway in Prince Georges County. We had horses and neighbors had a mule and some chickens. Then in 1970 it was like Anacostia washed over PG County. Overnight people moved out, the schools went to hell, and we moved the following year. Not because black people moved next door, because the place had become dangerous.

Elspeth
08-07-2013, 12:06 PM
Why did Anacostia begin the move to PG county? What prompted it?

noonwitch
08-07-2013, 12:30 PM
You need to send your recommendations to both mayoral candidates. Both ideas sound very reasonable and could get the ball rolling.

I got them from Metro Times columnist Jack Lessenbury. The city knows these things, but fear losing control over them. The emergency manager probably will do both these things within the next few months.


But I know what Reich is suggesting-isn't this what Miami did with Dade County some time ago?

wattso00
08-07-2013, 12:36 PM
Atlanta did the same thing back in the late 60's and early 70's even out to the county line in some places.


There has been a demand for this sort of thing for decades now in all major cities focussed not on city services but on the performance disparity between urban and suburban schools. The big ass lie underlying this objective is that the city schools are "underfunded". Underfunded is one of those weasel words that "activists" like to use because it doesn't really mean anything, and usually isn't true.

For example, Philadelphia schools are said to be underfunded because they are funded less than Lower Merion. In Detroit they say that the schools are underfunded because some suburban enclaves (The area has strange municipal school districts) spend a lot more per pupil than the city does. Of course this totally ignores that the lowest per pupil expenditure is also in a largely white Detroit suburb. Both the Detroit and Philadelphia schools spend over $9K per year per pupil which is the same as most places on the US map and higher than a lot of places on the US map.

I have personally witnessed a de facto annex of a suburban county. When I was a kid, there were still farms inside the beltway in Prince Georges County. We had horses and neighbors had a mule and some chickens. Then in 1970 it was like Anacostia washed over PG County. Overnight people moved out, the schools went to hell, and we moved the following year. Not because black people moved next door, because the place had become dangerous.

DumbAss Tanker
08-07-2013, 09:00 PM
The idea makes sense in a Liberal, 'Where can we find someone else's money to take fast?' and ignorant-of-the-law-of-unintended-consequences short-term thinking kind of way. In other words it's a one-budget-cycle solution for a fifty-year problem, and one with explosive boobytraps hidden in it to boot.

Rockntractor
08-07-2013, 09:13 PM
The idea makes sense in a Liberal, 'Where can we find someone else's money to take fast?' and ignorant-of-the-law-of-unintended-consequences short-term thinking kind of way. In other words it's a one-budget-cycle solution for a fifty-year problem, and one with explosive boobytraps hidden in it to boot.

Yep, once you spend the dowry the new bride can get expensive.

Elspeth
08-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Read a great article about police abuse of civil forfeiture laws. The whole article can be found here:
The Use and Abuse of Civil Forfeiture (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=all)

But there's a great section about Detroit:



...Another case involves a monthly social event that had been hosted by the Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit. In the midst of festivities one evening in late May, 2008, forty-odd officers in black commando gear stormed the gallery and its rear patio, ordering the guests to the ground. Some in attendance thought that they were the victims of an armed robbery. One young woman who had fallen only to her knees told me that a masked figure screamed at her, “Bitch, you think you’re too pretty to get in the mud?” A boot from behind kicked her to the ground. The officers, including members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit, placed the guests under arrest. According to police records, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking, and an old ordinance aimed at “blind pigs” (speakeasies) and other places of “illegal occupation” made it a crime to patronize such a place, knowingly or not.

After lining the guests on their knees before a “prisoner processing table” and searching them, the officers asked for everyone’s car keys. Then the raid team seized every vehicle it could find, even venturing to the driveway of a young man’s friend nearly a mile away to retrieve his car. Forty-four cars were taken to government-contracted lots.

Most of those detained had to pay more than a thousand dollars for the return of their cars; if payment wasn’t made promptly, the car would become city property. The proceeds were divided among the offices of the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. After the A.C.L.U. filed a suit against the city, a district court ruled that the raid was unconstitutional, and noted that it reflected “a widespread practice” by the police in the area. (The city is appealing the ruling.) Vice statutes have lent themselves to such forfeiture efforts; in previous years, an initiative targeted gay men for forfeiture, under Detroit’s “annoying persons” ordinance. Before local lawyers challenged such practices, known informally as “Bag a Fag,” undercover officers would arrest gay men who simply returned their glances or gestures, if the signals were deemed to have sexual connotations, and then, citing “nuisance abatement,” seize their vehicles.

Detroit Police Department officials have said that raids like the one on the Contemporary Art Institute are aimed at improving “quality of life.” The raids certainly help address the department’s substantial budgetary shortfalls. Last year, Detroit, which has since filed for bankruptcy, cut the annual police budget by nearly a fifth. Today, “blind pig” raids around the city routinely result in the confiscation of dozens, sometimes hundreds, of cars....

noonwitch
08-12-2013, 10:14 AM
Read a great article about police abuse of civil forfeiture laws. The whole article can be found here:
The Use and Abuse of Civil Forfeiture (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=all)

But there's a great section about Detroit:



...Another case involves a monthly social event that had been hosted by the Contemporary Art Institute of Detroit. In the midst of festivities one evening in late May, 2008, forty-odd officers in black commando gear stormed the gallery and its rear patio, ordering the guests to the ground. Some in attendance thought that they were the victims of an armed robbery. One young woman who had fallen only to her knees told me that a masked figure screamed at her, “Bitch, you think you’re too pretty to get in the mud?” A boot from behind kicked her to the ground. The officers, including members of the Detroit Police Department’s vice squad and mobile tactical unit, placed the guests under arrest. According to police records, the gallery lacked proper city permits for after-hours dancing and drinking, and an old ordinance aimed at “blind pigs” (speakeasies) and other places of “illegal occupation” made it a crime to patronize such a place, knowingly or not.

After lining the guests on their knees before a “prisoner processing table” and searching them, the officers asked for everyone’s car keys. Then the raid team seized every vehicle it could find, even venturing to the driveway of a young man’s friend nearly a mile away to retrieve his car. Forty-four cars were taken to government-contracted lots.

Most of those detained had to pay more than a thousand dollars for the return of their cars; if payment wasn’t made promptly, the car would become city property. The proceeds were divided among the offices of the prosecutors, police, and towing companies. After the A.C.L.U. filed a suit against the city, a district court ruled that the raid was unconstitutional, and noted that it reflected “a widespread practice” by the police in the area. (The city is appealing the ruling.) Vice statutes have lent themselves to such forfeiture efforts; in previous years, an initiative targeted gay men for forfeiture, under Detroit’s “annoying persons” ordinance. Before local lawyers challenged such practices, known informally as “Bag a Fag,” undercover officers would arrest gay men who simply returned their glances or gestures, if the signals were deemed to have sexual connotations, and then, citing “nuisance abatement,” seize their vehicles.

Detroit Police Department officials have said that raids like the one on the Contemporary Art Institute are aimed at improving “quality of life.” The raids certainly help address the department’s substantial budgetary shortfalls. Last year, Detroit, which has since filed for bankruptcy, cut the annual police budget by nearly a fifth. Today, “blind pig” raids around the city routinely result in the confiscation of dozens, sometimes hundreds, of cars....


The Contemporary Art Institute is down the street from my office. I never heard about this, though. It's mostly suburbanites who hang out there, and I'm sure the DPD knew that when they raided the place. There's no money to be made from shaking down Detroit residents and holding their cars for ransom.


I had heard about the "Bag a Fag" thing, though. Most gay people I know don't hang out in Detroit after work hours-they go to Royal Oak or Ferndale.

Unreconstructed Reb
08-12-2013, 01:14 PM
"If Detroit is defined as the larger metro area that includes its suburbs, it has enough money to provide all its residents with adequate if not good public services, without falling into bankruptcy."

In other words, little Bobby wants to redistribute the poverty. Brilliant!

Elspeth
08-12-2013, 04:03 PM
The Contemporary Art Institute is down the street from my office. I never heard about this, though. It's mostly suburbanites who hang out there, and I'm sure the DPD knew that when they raided the place. There's no money to be made from shaking down Detroit residents and holding their cars for ransom.


I had heard about the "Bag a Fag" thing, though. Most gay people I know don't hang out in Detroit after work hours-they go to Royal Oak or Ferndale.

I find is appalling that DPD sent a SWAT team down to rob suburbanites of their valuables. They are criminals, not cops. And police targeting gays--I thought that went out with legwarmers and big hair.

noonwitch
08-12-2013, 04:27 PM
I find is appalling that DPD sent a SWAT team down to rob suburbanites of their valuables. They are criminals, not cops. And police targeting gays--I thought that went out with legwarmers and big hair.



The whole thing is appalling. They have cops to do this, but citizens still have to wait almost an hour to get a police response to a 911 call if they get shot or have a heart attack.


The police in Detroit target gays because the populace doesn't really care for gays.