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Elspeth
08-21-2013, 03:33 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/camille_paglia_it_remains_baffling_how_anyone_woul d_think_that_hillary_clinton_is_our_party%E2%80%99 s_best_chance/

Wednesday, Aug 21, 2013 09:45 AM PDT
Camille Paglia: “It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton is our party’s best chance”



....Two words: Anthony Weiner. Your thoughts?

Two words: pathetic dork. How sickeningly debased our politics have become that this jabbering cartoon weasel could be taken seriously for a second as a candidate for mayor of New York. But beyond that, I have been amazed by the almost total absence of psychological critique in news analyses of the silly Weiner saga. For heaven’s sake, Weiner is no randy stud with a sophisticated sex life that we need to respect. The compulsion to exhibit and boast about one’s penis is embarrassingly infantile — the obvious residue of some squalid family psychodrama in childhood that is now being replayed in public.

I assumed at first that Huma Abedin stayed married to Weiner out of noble concern for her unborn child, who deserved a father. But her subsequent behavior as Weiner’s defender and enabler has made me lose respect for her. The Weiners should be permanently bundled off to the luxe Elba of Oscar de la Renta’s villa in the Dominican Republic. I’m sure that Hillary (Huma’s capo) can arrange that.

Any hopes, fears or predictions for the presidential elections in 2016?

As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.

I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.

Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.” As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?” Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win.

SaintLouieWoman
08-21-2013, 10:55 PM
Interesting find. I still can't understand why Hillary is entitled to the nomination and that "it's her turn." I never could comprehend how she supposedly was billed as the smartest woman in America.

She should have resigned after Benghazi. She and the Obama administration totally bungled it and abandoned our representatives in a foreign country. What has she done as a Senator other than being a carpet bagger?

God protect our country if she's the best that we have to offer. How many Benghazi's would there be under her watch as President?

There's a little hope if even one Democrat sees that she's not the best choice.

Novaheart
08-22-2013, 12:01 AM
Interesting find. I still can't understand why Hillary is entitled to the nomination and that "it's her turn." I never could comprehend how she supposedly was billed as the smartest woman in America.

She should have resigned after Benghazi. She and the Obama administration totally bungled it and abandoned our representatives in a foreign country. What has she done as a Senator other than being a carpet bagger?

God protect our country if she's the best that we have to offer. How many Benghazi's would there be under her watch as President?

There's a little hope if even one Democrat sees that she's not the best choice.

I was all about Hillary in 2008. I donated more money to her campaign than I had ever donated up to that point... combined. Somehow I missed that she wasn't promising Single Payer and God Knows I missed her past stated positions on gun control. Even so, how was I supposed to take Sarah Palin seriously? And Romney?

So I agree with Paglia, the Democratic Party has to be able to find someone better than Hillary and God Knows the Republican party has to find someone better than Romney, Santorum, Ryan, Rubio.

Who is going to stand up against illegal immigration? Who is going to stand up for the Second Amendment? Who is going to put in place a universal healthcare system? Who is going to make sure that Wall Street criminals get punished when they commit economic treason?

We need a strongman for two terms to right some of the wrongs. That probably includes installing adult supervision in California and Michigan.

Elspeth
08-22-2013, 12:04 AM
That probably includes installing adult supervision in California and Michigan.

Here, here!

RobJohnson
08-22-2013, 06:49 AM
We need a strongman for two terms to right some of the wrongs. That probably includes installing adult supervision in California and Michigan.

They need the same supervision in Washington DC.

RobJohnson
08-22-2013, 06:52 AM
Interesting find. I still can't understand why Hillary is entitled to the nomination and that "it's her turn." I never could comprehend how she supposedly was billed as the smartest woman in America.

She should have resigned after Benghazi. She and the Obama administration totally bungled it and abandoned our representatives in a foreign country. What has she done as a Senator other than being a carpet bagger?

God protect our country if she's the best that we have to offer. How many Benghazi's would there be under her watch as President?

There's a little hope if even one Democrat sees that she's not the best choice.



Hillary simply can't handle any type of pressure and is so full of it she makes her husband look like a good guy!

SaintLouieWoman
08-22-2013, 07:45 AM
Hillary simply can't handle any type of pressure and is so full of it she makes her husband look like a good guy!
Now that's saying something. You're right.

DumbAss Tanker
08-22-2013, 09:19 AM
Interesting find. I still can't understand why Hillary is entitled to the nomination and that "it's her turn." I never could comprehend how she supposedly was billed as the smartest woman in America.


Well, it did come from the same people who told us that the guy who surrendered his law license rather than face disciplinary proceedings for lying on his application (Effectively, but not technically, becoming disbarred) and who thanks to a political favor got a part-time gig as an adjunct night school instructor was a "Law professor and Constitutional scholar."

Eupher
08-22-2013, 10:24 AM
I was all about Hillary in 2008. I donated more money to her campaign than I had ever donated up to that point... combined. Somehow I missed that she wasn't promising Single Payer and God Knows I missed her past stated positions on gun control. Even so, how was I supposed to take Sarah Palin seriously? And Romney?

So I agree with Paglia, the Democratic Party has to be able to find someone better than Hillary and God Knows the Republican party has to find someone better than Romney, Santorum, Ryan, Rubio.

Who is going to stand up against illegal immigration? Who is going to stand up for the Second Amendment? Who is going to put in place a universal healthcare system? Who is going to make sure that Wall Street criminals get punished when they commit economic treason?

We need a strongman for two terms to right some of the wrongs. That probably includes installing adult supervision in California and Michigan.

Agreed. Good post, for the most part.

I firmly believe that those who deliberately seek the highest office in the land are fundamentally brain-damaged to begin with. To want that kind of power enough to wallow in the puke and the mud and the slop through a long and painful campaign is simply nuts.

To whore oneself out pandering to the big money pukes and the special interests (done on both sides of the aisle) is the sum total of our political process.

Disgusting on its face.

Novaheart
08-22-2013, 11:26 AM
Dow Chemical spent 12 million dollars last year on lobbying in DC.

But the politicians would have us believe that Dow simply supported the candidates with whom it agrees, not that it's buying influence.

Make corporate lobbying (of Congress and any other government officials) 100% transparent. Make it a painful and high criminal offense to hide, disguise, misrepresent, or "make mistakes" when it comes to lobbying and political contributions.

Make politicians publish specific reports of their time, expenses, gifts, and companions both on and "off" the clock.

DumbAss Tanker
08-22-2013, 12:22 PM
Dow Chemical spent 12 million dollars last year on lobbying in DC.

But the politicians would have us believe that Dow simply supported the candidates with whom it agrees, not that it's buying influence.

Make corporate lobbying (of Congress and any other government officials) 100% transparent. Make it a painful and high criminal offense to hide, disguise, misrepresent, or "make mistakes" when it comes to lobbying and political contributions.

Make politicians publish specific reports of their time, expenses, gifts, and companions both on and "off" the clock.

I don't believe corporations are legally allowed to directly contribute to campaigns or candidates, what Citizens United did was allow them to donate to or otherwise promote specific issues. Even with an absolute ban on political speech by corporations and low absolute limits on personal contributions by their officers and employees, there would still be lobbying and actions by elected officials because of the sheer economic power they represent, and its effect in particular districts or states ("Well, Congressman, as a lobbyist I can't actually bind the XYZ Corporation, but if that legislation you were opposing goes through, we'll probably have to close out our 500-job service center in your district as we consolidate operations elsewhere...").

Elspeth
08-22-2013, 01:50 PM
Well, it did come from the same people who told us that the guy who surrendered his law license rather than face disciplinary proceedings for lying on his application (Effectively, but not technically, becoming disbarred) and who thanks to a political favor got a part-time gig as an adjunct night school instructor was a "Law professor and Constitutional scholar."

He surrendered his law license?

DumbAss Tanker
08-22-2013, 02:30 PM
He surrendered his law license?

Not really, it's kind of an 'Inside baseball' joke on a popular internet urban legend. I believe his correct status is 'Voluntarily retired' from the Illinois bar.

Elspeth
08-22-2013, 03:01 PM
Not really, it's kind of an 'Inside baseball' joke on a popular internet urban legend. I believe his correct status is 'Voluntarily retired' from the Illinois bar.

What's the legend and what's the truth? Just curious.

DumbAss Tanker
08-22-2013, 03:31 PM
What's the legend and what's the truth? Just curious.

It's made the internet rounds many times, often in a very long-winded but professional-sounding form. Something to the effect that Barack surrendered his license rather than face a disciplinary commission inquiry (And possible disbarment) over false statements in his bar application, and likewise Michelle over her time at that hospital where she supposedly had a major role in shuffling off the non-lucrative (I.e. poor) patients to other hospitals (Which even if true, and I'm not saying there isn't anything to that or not, would have to pretty much involve a felony conviction to reach out and touch her law license, since she wasn't actually employed as a lawyer there). As I understand it, the truth is he voluntarily retired his license when he went off to the Senate, and she went on (Voluntary) inactive status at some point also.

If you Google 'Obama law license' you'll come up with all sorts of debunkers for this one.

Eupher
08-22-2013, 04:14 PM
Dow Chemical spent 12 million dollars last year on lobbying in DC.

But the politicians would have us believe that Dow simply supported the candidates with whom it agrees, not that it's buying influence.

Make corporate lobbying (of Congress and any other government officials) 100% transparent. Make it a painful and high criminal offense to hide, disguise, misrepresent, or "make mistakes" when it comes to lobbying and political contributions.

Make politicians publish specific reports of their time, expenses, gifts, and companions both on and "off" the clock.

Every year I have to have training within my company to assure them that I understand the laws and restrictions under which I have to live because of the REMOTE possibility I actually might need to rub elbows with a politician.

Ain't gonna happen, but there you go.

Here's the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 and its "technical corrections" follow-up Act of 1998:

http://lobbyingdisclosure.house.gov/amended_lda_guide.html

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/Lobbying/Lobby_Disclosure_Act/TOC.htm

And here's the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007"

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s1#summary/libraryofcongress

How many laws do we need to regulate lobbyists, those who might possibly rub elbows with a politician (like me, but don't), congresscritters, and senators? Not to mention cabinet secretaries and other high federal government officials?

You'll note I didn't bother with the boatload of state and local laws.

Odysseus
08-22-2013, 05:22 PM
Dow Chemical spent 12 million dollars last year on lobbying in DC.

But the politicians would have us believe that Dow simply supported the candidates with whom it agrees, not that it's buying influence.

Make corporate lobbying (of Congress and any other government officials) 100% transparent. Make it a painful and high criminal offense to hide, disguise, misrepresent, or "make mistakes" when it comes to lobbying and political contributions.

Make politicians publish specific reports of their time, expenses, gifts, and companions both on and "off" the clock.

You miss the point. If congress wasn't in the business of deciding winners and losers, Dow chemical wouldn't care who was in office. Instead of punishing the people who are, at best, trying to protect themselves from clueless bureaucrats or, at worst, seeking to use the federal regulatory leviathan to give them an unearned advantate in the market place, how about scaling back the powers of the federal government to those enumerated in the Constitution and eliminate the need/temptation to lobby?

djones520
08-22-2013, 05:43 PM
We need a strongman for two terms to right some of the wrongs. That probably includes installing adult supervision in California and Michigan.

Michigan has had one for the last 3 years. You should hear the bitching and moaning their doing about our Governor.

SaintLouieWoman
08-23-2013, 11:33 PM
Dow Chemical spent 12 million dollars last year on lobbying in DC.

But the politicians would have us believe that Dow simply supported the candidates with whom it agrees, not that it's buying influence.

Make corporate lobbying (of Congress and any other government officials) 100% transparent. Make it a painful and high criminal offense to hide, disguise, misrepresent, or "make mistakes" when it comes to lobbying and political contributions.

Make politicians publish specific reports of their time, expenses, gifts, and companions both on and "off" the clock.

They should make those higher up the government feeding chain follow the requirements placed on those in the lower grades. I spent almost 30 years selling office equipment to federal and municipal governments.

Most of the feds wouldn't accept even a coke out of our coke machine, but would accept a cup of coffee out of a styrofoam cup if they came to the office for a demo of equipment. On occasion I would have sandwiches brought into the office for them, so they could use their lunch hours to view the equipment.

The head of purchasing for the City of St Louis was so scrupulous that we couldn't give any Christmas gifts (knew better to do anything but mail a Christmas card to my long time fed customers with a picture of my dogs by the Christmas tree). The only thing that I gave to the city was perhaps a basket of cookies or other food items that could be shared by everyone, not just the buyers. I was so proud that kept the city copier contact for almost 10 years, never giving them anything but good service from my company.

I chose to have the gov't people as my clients, because there were no under the table dealings. I just plain old enjoyed my contacts, who became friends over the years.

If only the higher ups would follow the same code of ethics.