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Apocalypse
10-10-2013, 11:32 AM
President Obama will meet with House Republicans at the White House Thursday in an attempt to end the government shutdown and come to some kind of agreement on the looming debt ceiling. House Speaker John Boehner is bring 18 House Republicans with him.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/10/09/obama-house-senate-government-shutdown/2950557/


"The president thought it was important to talk directly with the members who forced this economic crisis on the country about how the shutdown and a failure to pay the country's bills could devastate the economy," Carney said.

Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said that "nine days into a government shutdown and a week away from breaching the debt ceiling, a meeting is only worthwhile if it is focused on finding a solution -- that's why the House Republican Conference will instead be represented by a smaller group of negotiators, including the elected leadership and certain committee chairmen."

I think it's safe to say nothing will come from it, more likely oBumble will just repeat what he's been saying. "No negotiations till I get my way". Then run out before the willing press to blame no progress on the GOP for being stubborn and continuing to "Hold us hostage".

But for him to finally start sitting down and talking shows he is getting a little nervous that we might not give in as he expected.

Arroyo_Doble
10-10-2013, 11:44 AM
But for him to finally start sitting down and talking shows he is getting a little nervous that we might not give in as he expected.

I think it is just the opposite; Republicans assumed he would cave like he did in the past. They appear to have miscalculated (assuming the you don't consider the negotiated CR spending levels a cave on Obama's part .... some do).

SarasotaRepub
10-10-2013, 12:05 PM
I think it is just the opposite; Republicans assumed he would cave like he did in the past. They appear to have miscalculated (assuming the you don't consider the negotiated CR spending levels a cave on Obama's part .... some do).

AD, I think the only people POTUS is currently making happy are his fan base on DU and the kos kids.
I'm sorry, but his actions to date on this are of a spoiled child that is pissed he isn't getting his way. He
has painted himself into a corner now. If the Repubs cave in now, bad on us.

And this shutdown crap is NOT what I would expect of Leadership. Your party is acting just
like bunch of spoiled brats and they are taking their lead from POTUS.

Arroyo_Doble
10-10-2013, 12:13 PM
AD, I think the only people POTUS is currently making happy are his fan base on DU and the kos kids.

I would agree that few are happy with the president at the moment but the same can be said of the Republican House. Probably more so on their side.


I'm sorry, but his actions to date on this are of a spoiled child that is pissed he isn't getting his way. He
has painted himself into a corner now. If the Repubs cave in now, bad on us.

Funding the government is a pretty low bar for "getting his way." I know there are some who want a shutdown and a default but I think that is a minority opinion.


And this shutdown crap is NOT what I would expect of Leadership. Your party is acting just
like bunch of spoiled brats and they are taking their lead from POTUS.

I think Reid is calling more shots on this than the president. I think the Democrats in the Legislative Branch are less than happy with how many times the president has capitulated. And with McConnell looking over his shoulder at a primary challenger, he is unable to broker any deals with Biden.

Odysseus
10-10-2013, 12:46 PM
I think it is just the opposite; Republicans assumed he would cave like he did in the past. They appear to have miscalculated (assuming the you don't consider the negotiated CR spending levels a cave on Obama's part .... some do).

Exactly when has Obama ever caved on anything in domestic politics (as opposed to foreign policy, where he's an open pit)?

SarasotaRepub
10-10-2013, 02:02 PM
AD, you know what your side wants???

They want "free" shit for everyone. Free food, free water, free health care, free condos in Boca.
Don't even try and deny it, if Pelosi and Reid thought they could get away with this
they would do it tomorrow.

They want no voter ID. But ID for ObamaCare is cool. They want illegal aliens to be able to get in this
country 123 and vote. Dem of course.

They see this as their time for a monster power grab because they know the more free shit they give the
people the more they will want and these social programs are never taken away.

And the biggest, they want to tax the living shit out of anyone with $$$. And when that isn't enough they
will come for their own and say we have to continue to be "fair". Except for them of course...

The Republicans are by no means perfect but your current party's leadership is poison to this country.

Arroyo_Doble
10-10-2013, 02:04 PM
AD, you know what your side wants???

They want "free" shit for everyone. Free food, free water, free health care, free condos in Boca.
Don't even try and deny it, if Pelosi and Reid thought they could get away with this
they would do it tomorrow.

They want no voter ID. But ID for ObamaCare is cool. They want illegal aliens to be able to get in this
country 123 and vote. Dem of course.

They see this as their time for a monster power grab because they know the more free shit they give the
people the more they will want and these social programs are never taken away.

And the biggest, they want to tax the living shit out of anyone with $$$. And when that isn't enough they
will come for their own and say we have to continue to be "fair". Except for them of course...

The Republicans are by no means perfect but your current party's leadership is poison to this country.


If I'm getting a condo, I want it in Colorado, not Florida.

SarasotaRepub
10-10-2013, 02:08 PM
If I'm getting a condo, I want it in Colorado, not Florida.

Only if a Dem "Committee" approves it. :biggrin-new:

Molon Labe
10-10-2013, 02:23 PM
I think it is just the opposite; Republicans assumed he would cave like he did in the past. They appear to have miscalculated (assuming the you don't consider the negotiated CR spending levels a cave on Obama's part .... some do).

What makes you think that? From what I understand the political backlash is his to own. Didn't his numbers just take another dive this week?

linda22003
10-10-2013, 02:40 PM
If I'm getting a condo, I want it in Colorado, not Florida.

I want mine here in Virginia.... an increasingly blue state. Cuccinelli seems to be losing ground fast. We'll see.

linda22003
10-10-2013, 02:40 PM
What makes you think that? From what I understand the political backlash is his to own. Didn't his numbers just take another dive this week?

So did Congress', so it's a wash.

Odysseus
10-10-2013, 06:06 PM
So did Congress', so it's a wash.

Yeah, but congress' reputation is never good. OTOH, Obama can't function if he isn't being hailed as a messianic figure. If the public figures out just how incompetent he and his administration are, he's going to end up setting the stage for a Republican revival of epic proportions.

Janice
10-10-2013, 09:39 PM
Yeah, but congress' reputation is never good. OTOH, Obama can't function if he isn't being hailed as a messianic figure. If the public figures out just how incompetent he and his administration are, he's going to end up setting the stage for a Republican revival of epic proportions.

Yes. If we can just route the moderate 'ruling class' repukes and get conservatives elected. That would be SOMETHING!!!

NJCardFan
10-11-2013, 12:11 AM
Yeah, but congress' reputation is never good. OTOH, Obama can't function if he isn't being hailed as a messianic figure. If the public figures out just how incompetent he and his administration are, he's going to end up setting the stage for a Republican revival of epic proportions.

Yeah but we all know that the Republicans are more than capable of screwing this up. The 2012 election should have shown us that. The White House was ripe for the taking, even with Romney as a candidate, but the Republicans refused to take advantage of certain aspects of the campaign. Benghazi alone should have been Obama's Waterloo.

Janice
10-11-2013, 07:15 AM
Yeah but we all know that the Republicans are more than capable of screwing this up. The 2012 election should have shown us that. The White House was ripe for the taking, even with Romney as a candidate, but the Republicans refused to take advantage of certain aspects of the campaign. Benghazi alone should have been Obama's Waterloo.

The Bush and McCain advisors will be the end of the republican party. They infect everything. Where is the democrats McCain? Where are the democrats that trash their own party?

Janice
10-11-2013, 07:45 AM
Establishment GOPers assail tea party on shutdown

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- From county chairmen to national party luminaries, veteran Republicans across the country are accusing tea party lawmakers of staining the GOP with their refusal to bend in the budget impasse in Washington.

The Republican establishment also is signaling a willingness to strike back at the tea party in next fall's elections. >>>

The anger emanating from Republicans like Sununu and Barbour comes just three years after the GOP embraced the insurgent political group and rode its wave of new energy to return to power in the House. >>>

In South Carolina, Fairfield County Republican Chairman Kevin Thomas is among those on the side of tea party lawmakers.

"The only leverage we have is the budget," he said.

AssPress (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SHUTDOWN_GOP_TEA_PARTY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-10-11-03-56-20)

Molon Labe
10-11-2013, 08:41 AM
So did Congress', so it's a wash.

Everybody hates congress. But during elections you rarely see much turnover. People have a difficult time blaming their own representative.