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Elspeth
06-09-2014, 04:49 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/05/kevin-williamson-is-not-a-bigot/

Kevin D. Williamson ignited a predictable but ferocious firestorm this week with his article in the National Review Online titled “Laverne Cox is not a Woman”. This is not Williamson’s first foray into this contentious issue, nor for that matter is it mine, but the fireworks are informative. Williamson has been called the worst person in the world on Twitter, which, I mean, who hasn’t. But even the respectable progressive press has shown its outrage towards his supposedly outdated and bigoted opinion. It’s not their opinion that Williamson’s ideas need to be refuted, it is that they are so reprehensible, ignorant and impolite that they should barely even be addressed.

Williamson is guilty of aligning gender with sex. Transsexual advocates argue that gender is a cultural construction while sex is a biological reality. They divide gender from sex by claiming one is physically demonstrable while the other is not. This gives trans advocates a higher bar to cross than Williamson. For Williamson gender is inextricably linked to biological reality. For trans advocates gender is whatever we decide it is. This being the case Trans advocates have a responsibility to explain why their social construction is better than other social constructions. Williamson’s theory entails no such responsibility.

This distinction is important because the charge of bigotry leveled against Williamson assumes that the separation of gender and sex is an established fact in the world. It is not. Even if we accept that gender is a social construct, society can construct it to be aligned with biological sex or not. Any of us may have myriad reasons for construing gender one way or another, and it is no more bigoted for a man to tell a trans woman that they are not a woman than it is for a trans woman to tell another woman that her gender has nothing to do with biology....

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The argument generally boils down to the idea that one “knows” their real gender. But what does knowing mean? Many people know that Jesus Christ is their lord and savior, other people say such a claim to knowledge is absurd. In what way does knowing one is of a certain gender differ from knowing that G-d exists and cares? And yet atheists are not considered bigots even though they claim to prove that something somebody knows about themselves is a delusion. Or as Germaine Greer put it, “Nowadays we are all likely to meet people who think they are women, have women’s names, and feminine clothes and lots of eyeshadow, who seem to us to be some kind of ghastly parody, though it isn’t polite to say so. We pretend that all the people passing for female really are. Other delusions may be challenged, but not a man’s delusion that he is female.”

There are a few stranger bedfellows than the writers for the National Review and Radical Feminists and yet on the issue of trans women there is almost uniform ideological overlap. In the parlance of the trans debate the term TERF (Trans Excluding Radical Feminist) refers to such backwards thinkers as feminist pioneer Greer among many others. These TERFS are accused of being just as bigoted as Williamson. Media Matters writes less about this phenomenon. But it’s a shame that the Radical Feminist critique of the trans movement is not paid more attention. Once again men, whether they identify as such or not are defining what it means to be a woman. One of central themes of the Radical Feminist critique is the hyper-sexualization of the female body by contemporary trans culture.

Trans women are presented as sexual objects, whether on reality TV or on the cover of Time magazine. The trick is that a straight guy might say “wow, she’s hot” and then be shocked to discover its a dude. For Radical Feminists the idea that gender constructs, such as existing to attract men should be cemented by granting any man who aspires to that goal full membership in the sisterhood is abhorrent. Many also cite a fear of sexual violence from cross dressing men granted access to their safe spaces. These are not Koch brothers funded extreme right fanatics, many are progressive feminists who simply share Williamson’s view of gender’s relationship to sex...

...When women feel uncomfortable in bathrooms along side persons with penises why are we telling them to deal with their discomfort, rather than telling a trans person to deal with their’s by using the sex assigned bathroom?

For many progressives the answers to these questions are tied to privilege theory. It is argued that women born as women (described by some as cisgendered) have privileges that trans women do not and therefore we must redress the imbalance by changing our definition of gender. ...

JohnnyJeb
06-09-2014, 05:46 PM
In my best southern Spanish....No com-preen-ta.

Apache
06-09-2014, 07:03 PM
Yet they are not considered mentally ill.... hmmmm



wonder why????

Dori
06-09-2014, 10:16 PM
Sounds like more Dummy pretzel logic.

noonwitch
06-10-2014, 05:27 PM
If you have a Y chromosome, you are a man. Anything else is a delusion.


I don't have a problem with cross-dressers, trannies or any other gender-confused freak. I would never treat them badly. But they are still whatever gender they were born with, unless they were born hermaphrodites.

Apache
06-10-2014, 08:29 PM
If you have a Y chromosome, you are a man. Anything else is a delusion.


I don't have a problem with cross-dressers, trannies or any other gender-confused freak. I would never treat them badly. But they are still whatever gender they were born with, unless they were born hermaphrodites.

Noonie.... Such language! Freak? You using that term? Not that I disagree with you.... just a bit shocked that you'd use freak..... :biggrin-new:

Bailey
06-10-2014, 08:52 PM
What happened to our resident twinkle toes? haven't seen nova in some time

Apache
06-10-2014, 09:02 PM
What happened to our resident twinkle toes? haven't seen nova in some time

He got butt-hurt, and went to another board.... where, from what I hear, he continues to get smacked down...




I want to know.... where's ODY?

SaintLouieWoman
06-10-2014, 10:54 PM
I want to know.... where's ODY?
I remember that he said on a post a while ago that he had a new job and would be super busy. Also he said that he was having phone problems and not able to use tapatalk. We're always delighted when he posts.