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Perilloux
10-14-2008, 07:02 AM
BlueJessamine (160 posts) Mon Oct-13-08 11:38 PM
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McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3543187)

Source: The Guardian

The Republican US presidential candidate John McCain was not tortured during his captivity in North Vietnam, the chief prison guard of the jail in which he was held has claimed.

In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were "tough, though not inhuman". But, he added: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."

McCain, who fell into enemy hands after his plane was shot down in 1967, has frequently referred to being tortured and has cited his experiences as a reason for vigorously opposing the endorsement by the Bush administration of the use of techniques such as "water-boarding" on terrorist suspects.

Shortly after his release in 1973 McCain told US News & World Report that his prison guards had beaten him "from pillar to post". After being worked over at intervals for four days, he said, he had become suicidal and agreed to sign a "confession" admitting to war crimes.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain)

Found this in LBN. A surprising amount of DUers rightfully condem this article as BS, but an unsurpisingly large amount of DUmmies are more than willing to believe it and call John McCain a liar. Some responses:


ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-13-08 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
4. Mccains POW records are sealed forever. wierd huh?


carla (191 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #5
17. I have read that many of his injuries

were the result of the crash of his jet. I don't deny he was beaten, but I have doubts about his torture story, especially when the records are sealed.


sbinsdca (4 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 01:48 AM
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37. Fraud

Go watch the video of him getting on the plane home. He's bouncing around, smiling and joking with his fellow former POWs. He's a fraud.


KoKo01 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:09 AM
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11. I have always believed McCain lied about this...but then...who knows...

He claims he can't raise his hands because of his injuries...yet I saw a photo of him using a Blackberry. He seems stiff but then one of his daughters was featured behind him at one of the rallies last week and she is built just like her Dad. She's stocky and has a short neck and seems to have his same pose of not moving her hands like he claims he can't.

That his whole life is a fabrication would make sense from what I read about him in that Mother Jones article. He just has a "flair" for the dramatic. He probably had some injuries from being shot down...but to hear him describe them...he wouldn't be alive today...yet he managed to come home...hang out with the guys, cheat on his wife and marry this chick with a fortune and have a few more kids. Kind of hard to do if you are as crippled and in pain as he would have been from many broken bones being reset over and over during and after his plane crash and the "torture." He probably was living it up with his Vietnamese captors, playing craps, drinking booze and taking advantage of the "girls" that were plentiful in Vietnam at that time for those who had money, power and influence.

Just saying...it's what I think....not that I could not be very wrong...but still ...his bio doesn't ad up with what we see of his life and how he appears today.


ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:46 AM
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24. He probably wasn't. Or, at worst, he had it a lot better than most POWs without famous dads.

movie buff
10-14-2008, 07:38 AM
Did it not occur to these baboons (Sorry, I hate to insult such a fine species of monkey whose IQs are substantially higher than that of the average DUmmy) that the source of this information is not exactly an objective, unbiased source? It's the guy who ran the jail, of course he's going to avoid saying anything that would make himself look bad.
They just want another excuse to trash McCain, and will sink to any low possible to do so.

ralph wiggum
10-14-2008, 09:49 AM
Purveyor (1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 12:02 AM
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9. Sounds like neocon bait being laid for the next Faux Knoise 'outrage'... eom

:rolleyes:


krkaufman(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 02:34 AM
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44. Just what you'd expect them to say to facilitate the election of their Manchurian Candidate.


jbane (584 posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 09:42 AM
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71. Moderators please pull this.

We don't need to go there. We're doing just fine bring up legitimate issues, this is the
tactic used when your out of ideas, kill the messenger and we don't need it.

:eek: :eek:

d_va
10-14-2008, 07:03 PM
McCain's first person article from 1973 is a great read. DUers should read it.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html?PageNr=1

FlaGator
10-14-2008, 08:08 PM
If he has ever read anything by Pitt or UP he has been tortured... horribly

Eyelids
10-15-2008, 01:30 AM
I have no doubt that McCain went through some serious shit over there, but it does not qualify him to be president.

Zathras
10-15-2008, 03:46 AM
I have no doubt that McCain went through some serious shit over there, but it does not qualify him to be president.

Neither does anything that Obaahma has done in his life. In fact, judging by the company Obaahma has kept in his life and the people in the world that have expressed support for his run for the Presidency should disqualify Obaahma from ever setting foot in any goverment position, let alone the White House.

movie buff
10-15-2008, 10:06 AM
I have no doubt that McCain went through some serious shit over there, but it does not qualify him to be president.

We never said it did. We are just angry that the DUmmies are accusing him of being a liar and a fraud based on an account given by a HIGHLY questionable source. If I went through what McCain went through in the war, then had to put up with heartless, gutless vermin like the DUmpmonkeys claiming that it never happened, I would be completely enraged.

crockspot
10-15-2008, 11:30 AM
Funny, they found one guy who denies he was tortured, even though multiple former NVA guards have confirmed McCain's claims in the past. Has this guy even been vetted to prove he is who he says he is? Could just be a phony. And if anyone has seen the video of McCain disembarking from the plane from Vietnam, he is not jumping around. It's clear he has been through Hell and can barely walk.

ReaganForRus
10-15-2008, 09:07 PM
Funny, they found one guy who denies he was tortured, even though multiple former NVA guards have confirmed McCain's claims in the past. Has this guy even been vetted to prove he is who he says he is? Could just be a phony. And if anyone has seen the video of McCain disembarking from the plane from Vietnam, he is not jumping around. It's clear he has been through Hell and can barely walk.

Probably TiT attention whoring aboard since his stories has gotten lame stateside.......

Sonnabend
10-16-2008, 04:07 AM
I have no doubt that McCain went through some serious shit over there, but it does not qualify him to be president...and Obama never served a day of his life. What makes him qualified?

Apart form his friendship with bomb throwing terrorists, a mass murderer like Odinga, , fraudsters and criminals like ACORN....

marinejcksn
10-16-2008, 05:25 AM
Probably TiT attention whoring aboard since his stories has gotten lame stateside.......

TiT probably tried to sell McCain a homemade organic hemp bowl from his Knick-knack collection.:D