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10-14-2008, 07:02 AM
BlueJessamine (160 posts) Mon Oct-13-08 11:38 PM
Original message
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3543187)
Source: The Guardian
The Republican US presidential candidate John McCain was not tortured during his captivity in North Vietnam, the chief prison guard of the jail in which he was held has claimed.
In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were "tough, though not inhuman". But, he added: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."
McCain, who fell into enemy hands after his plane was shot down in 1967, has frequently referred to being tortured and has cited his experiences as a reason for vigorously opposing the endorsement by the Bush administration of the use of techniques such as "water-boarding" on terrorist suspects.
Shortly after his release in 1973 McCain told US News & World Report that his prison guards had beaten him "from pillar to post". After being worked over at intervals for four days, he said, he had become suicidal and agreed to sign a "confession" admitting to war crimes.
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain)
Found this in LBN. A surprising amount of DUers rightfully condem this article as BS, but an unsurpisingly large amount of DUmmies are more than willing to believe it and call John McCain a liar. Some responses:
ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-13-08 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
4. Mccains POW records are sealed forever. wierd huh?
carla (191 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #5
17. I have read that many of his injuries
were the result of the crash of his jet. I don't deny he was beaten, but I have doubts about his torture story, especially when the records are sealed.
sbinsdca (4 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
37. Fraud
Go watch the video of him getting on the plane home. He's bouncing around, smiling and joking with his fellow former POWs. He's a fraud.
KoKo01 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:09 AM
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11. I have always believed McCain lied about this...but then...who knows...
He claims he can't raise his hands because of his injuries...yet I saw a photo of him using a Blackberry. He seems stiff but then one of his daughters was featured behind him at one of the rallies last week and she is built just like her Dad. She's stocky and has a short neck and seems to have his same pose of not moving her hands like he claims he can't.
That his whole life is a fabrication would make sense from what I read about him in that Mother Jones article. He just has a "flair" for the dramatic. He probably had some injuries from being shot down...but to hear him describe them...he wouldn't be alive today...yet he managed to come home...hang out with the guys, cheat on his wife and marry this chick with a fortune and have a few more kids. Kind of hard to do if you are as crippled and in pain as he would have been from many broken bones being reset over and over during and after his plane crash and the "torture." He probably was living it up with his Vietnamese captors, playing craps, drinking booze and taking advantage of the "girls" that were plentiful in Vietnam at that time for those who had money, power and influence.
Just saying...it's what I think....not that I could not be very wrong...but still ...his bio doesn't ad up with what we see of his life and how he appears today.
ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:46 AM
Response to Original message
24. He probably wasn't. Or, at worst, he had it a lot better than most POWs without famous dads.
Original message
McCain was not tortured, PoW guard claims (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3543187)
Source: The Guardian
The Republican US presidential candidate John McCain was not tortured during his captivity in North Vietnam, the chief prison guard of the jail in which he was held has claimed.
In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, Nguyen Tien Tran acknowledged that conditions in the prison were "tough, though not inhuman". But, he added: "We never tortured McCain. On the contrary, we saved his life, curing him with extremely valuable medicines that at times were not available to our own wounded."
McCain, who fell into enemy hands after his plane was shot down in 1967, has frequently referred to being tortured and has cited his experiences as a reason for vigorously opposing the endorsement by the Bush administration of the use of techniques such as "water-boarding" on terrorist suspects.
Shortly after his release in 1973 McCain told US News & World Report that his prison guards had beaten him "from pillar to post". After being worked over at intervals for four days, he said, he had become suicidal and agreed to sign a "confession" admitting to war crimes.
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain)
Found this in LBN. A surprising amount of DUers rightfully condem this article as BS, but an unsurpisingly large amount of DUmmies are more than willing to believe it and call John McCain a liar. Some responses:
ORDagnabbit (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-13-08 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
4. Mccains POW records are sealed forever. wierd huh?
carla (191 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #5
17. I have read that many of his injuries
were the result of the crash of his jet. I don't deny he was beaten, but I have doubts about his torture story, especially when the records are sealed.
sbinsdca (4 posts) Tue Oct-14-08 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #5
37. Fraud
Go watch the video of him getting on the plane home. He's bouncing around, smiling and joking with his fellow former POWs. He's a fraud.
KoKo01 (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
11. I have always believed McCain lied about this...but then...who knows...
He claims he can't raise his hands because of his injuries...yet I saw a photo of him using a Blackberry. He seems stiff but then one of his daughters was featured behind him at one of the rallies last week and she is built just like her Dad. She's stocky and has a short neck and seems to have his same pose of not moving her hands like he claims he can't.
That his whole life is a fabrication would make sense from what I read about him in that Mother Jones article. He just has a "flair" for the dramatic. He probably had some injuries from being shot down...but to hear him describe them...he wouldn't be alive today...yet he managed to come home...hang out with the guys, cheat on his wife and marry this chick with a fortune and have a few more kids. Kind of hard to do if you are as crippled and in pain as he would have been from many broken bones being reset over and over during and after his plane crash and the "torture." He probably was living it up with his Vietnamese captors, playing craps, drinking booze and taking advantage of the "girls" that were plentiful in Vietnam at that time for those who had money, power and influence.
Just saying...it's what I think....not that I could not be very wrong...but still ...his bio doesn't ad up with what we see of his life and how he appears today.
ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-14-08 12:46 AM
Response to Original message
24. He probably wasn't. Or, at worst, he had it a lot better than most POWs without famous dads.