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Elspeth
12-08-2014, 03:16 AM
Holocaust author: Professors prefer ignorance to truth about Middle East
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/20401/

Nearly all modern genocides “begin on the campus,” the author of controversial books on the Holocaust and U.S. indirect financing of terrorists told the University of Michigan-Flint Thursday night.

Edwin Black, an investigative journalist and human-rights activist, assailed academics who fail to adequately teach students the “facts” they should know...

...Though Black was the target of a Students for Justice in Palestine walkout at Guilford College last month, which included an apparent campaign to label him a “notorious racist,” he didn’t draw public protests at Flint.

Black is touring in support of his latest book, Financing the Flames, which claims that American taxpayers are effectively subsidizing terror and instability in the Middle East through public support of nongovernmental organizations....

....Black argued that academics are afraid to admit to factual mistakes or omissions in their work and that people in general are fearful of investigating the “uncomfortable truths” that he has devoted his life to uncovering.

“There were hundreds of thousands of books on the Holocaust … not one of them bothered to mention that every concentration camp had an IBM customer site in that camp to organize the whole thing,” said Black, referring to his New York Times bestselling book IBM and the Holocaust.

Black said that his previous work was revelatory not because he discovered anything new, but because no one had investigated nor had the “cojones to write about it.” He then encouraged audience members to “learn about the stuff they don’t want you to know.”

“It’s not a secret, it’s not a secret history, it’s open history if only we can see it in front of us,” said Black, the son of Polish Holocaust survivors.

Another bestselling book by Black, War Against the Weak, claimed that the ideology of eugenics was developed by U.S. intelligentsia and nonprofits and used to justify forced sterilization of minorities and the planned extermination of “unfit” people by law in the United States. According to Black, the ideology influenced Nazi Germany during the Holocaust.

“Remember all this eugenics stuff that I wrote about was not proliferated in the back of a Ford truck in Mississippi,” Black said. “It was invented, cultured and proliferated at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton.”

“When you hate, and you want to dress up your hate with some kind of uplifting façade, you turn it not into racism but race ‘science,’” said Black...

JohnnyJeb
12-08-2014, 08:40 AM
So lazy liberal intelligent elitist incite others to do the dirty work they haven't got the guts to do themselves.

Hey, that's the way I read it.i

SVPete
12-08-2014, 09:56 AM
“There were hundreds of thousands of books on the Holocaust … not one of them bothered to mention that every concentration camp had an IBM customer site in that camp to organize the whole thing,” said Black, referring to his New York Times bestselling book IBM and the Holocaust.
This bit in the article is one of those cases where omitting context leads to incorrect/false conclusions.

* This was pre-computer (by 2 or 3 decades!) IBM. The technology involved was the same technology developed a couple of decades earlier for the US Census Bureau, using punch cards to collect and tabulate data. It's technology that could be used for a census, for tracking inmates at a concentration camp or a penitentiary, for tracking patients at a hospital, etc.. IOW, like most other technologies, the evil is in the user, not in the technology.

* This technology was licensed by an independent German company before IBM was formed. IBM later bought the German company, making it a subsidiary, rather than opening an IBM branch in Germany (a fine distinction, perhaps, but relevant and of some importance).

* Like other variants of socialism, Nazi Germany brought industry under government control (unlike the USSR, the Nazis didn't do this by nationalizing the company and killing the owners, managers, and engineers). Companies faced a choice between doing the government's bidding or being forced out of business. This was the choice forced on IBM's subsidiary, beginning sometime in 1933 or soon thereafter.

* While Nazi Germany was increasingly oppressive toward Jews from 1933 onward, actual deportations of Jews to concentration camps did not begin until 1941 or 1942. Thus IBM's subsidiary had been through years of forced cooperation with the Nazi government by the time Jews started to be herded into concentration camps. Their technology was not sold to the Nazis for the purpose of exterminating Jews, nor were extermination camps foreseeable when that forced cooperation began. By the time the management of that IBM subsidiary could have known their technology would be used in the extermination of Jews they were effectively cut off from IBM control (Nazi Germany declared war on the US in late 1941, before or around the time Jews started being sent to camps; the year or two prior US-German relations had been increasingly hostile, so IBM's subsidiary had probably been semi-independent of IBM in those years).

Maybe Edwin Black made all this clear in his book, but the title, "IBM and the Holocaust", while not lurid, suggests otherwise. I'm not a historian, or anything close thereto. So if I, a rather ordinary person, can see these caveats to Black's book about IBM and the Nazis, his credibility is, IMO, not the best (or this article represents his work, and therefore his credibility, rather badly).

FWIW, I am not and never have been: an employee of IBM or any of its subsidiaries; an employee of a significant supplier to IBM; an employee of a significant customer of IBM. OTOH, I have worked for two competitors of IBM's and for at least one significant supplier to competitors of IBM.

DumbAss Tanker
12-08-2014, 10:41 AM
What Pete said. The origins of Nazi genocide had a whole lot more to do with the working class and a longstanding Central European heritage of pogroms than it did with the universities, getting the ex post facto justification written for it by what passed for ethnologists of the day was the icing, not the cake.

It's a stupid idea anyway. The Armenian genocide and mutual attempts by Turks and Greeks to annihilate each other in the wake of WW1, the destruction of the Tatars after WW2, the Ibos in Nigeria, Tutus and Huttsis, the Serbian attempts to extinguish the Bosnians and any other (Perceived) non-Slavs around them, the Japanese enslavement of Korea and China, and just about every other travesty of the type, has been either from an upwelling of racial/ethnic/religious hatred of very long standing, or a pure political aggression. The involvement of so-called intellectuals and what claim to be universities is just stage-dressing and rationalization, not the root cause.

The Holocaust is right up there with the Civil War as far as things that too many people write too much about with so little further value added to the trainloads of materials that already exist.

noonwitch
12-08-2014, 12:01 PM
Some companies went to the extra extreme and benefitted from the slave labor offered by the concentration camps. I believe Siemens is one of them, mainly because Corrie ten Boom mentions their connection to the Ravensbruck camp in her book-but Siemens is a German company, like BMW. IBM is not.

Blaming IBM for a part in holocaust would be like blaming Facebook for terrorism, because terrorists use Facebook to recruit.

SVPete
12-08-2014, 01:09 PM
Some companies went to the extra extreme and benefitted from the slave labor offered by the concentration camps. I believe Siemens is one of them, mainly because Corrie ten Boom mentions their connection to the Ravensbruck camp in her book-but Siemens is a German company, like BMW. IBM is not.

Blaming IBM for a part in holocaust would be like blaming Facebook for terrorism, because terrorists use Facebook to recruit.

Or, hypothetically, blaming Goodyear if they had a German subsidiary that sold tires to the German government, some of which were used by the transports that brought Jews to concentration camps (or gassed them enroute).