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LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:31 AM
Breaking News
2:24pm UK, Sunday October 19, 2008

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States.


The move is a huge boost for Mr Obama as Mr Powell served under current President George Bush during his first term.

He had also been talked about as a possible running mate for Mr Obama's Republican rival John McCain, a man with whom he had worked for many years.

Sky's Ian Woods, reporting from Washington, said the decision was a "major setback" for the McCain campaign.

He said that in a TV appearance, Mr Powell had criticised the McCain campaign and praised Mr Obama.

The news came as it was revealed that Mr Obama raised more than $150m (£87m) for his campaign in September, breaking the record of $66m (£38m) he set the previous month.

Unlike his Republican rival John McCain, Mr Obama chose not to accept public funding for his campaign, leaving him free to raise millions privately.

The amount of money raised has allowed him to blanket the airwaves with advertising in the run-up to the November 4 poll.

Mr Obama's campaign has purchased a half-hour prime-time television slot on October 29, six days before the election, to make its final push.

His campaign added 620,000 new donors last month to bring the total to 3.1 million.



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barack-Obama-Endorsed-By-Former-Secretary-Of-State-Colin-Powell/Article/200810315124008?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15124008_Barack_Obama_Endorsed_By_Form er_Secretary_Of_State_Colin_Powell

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:37 AM
Powell on FOX now explaining his position.:cool:

newshutr
10-19-2008, 09:37 AM
Just to get a black man in the WH...

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:39 AM
Just to get a black man in the WH...

Yes, the former Secretary of State is a racist.:rolleyes:

Goldwater
10-19-2008, 09:42 AM
Just to get a black man in the WH...

I think it's more to do with foreign policy. But I'm sure Obama being black doesn't hurt.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:43 AM
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell will be on 'Meet the Press' this morning.

SarasotaRepub
10-19-2008, 09:47 AM
He's part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!

:D

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 09:48 AM
It's quite funny. I'm over watching Faux Sunday morning show (I normally turn it over at 8:30 from CNN as I don't like the House Call segment and have been bustling about and haven't turned it back), and the trio are stumbling all over themselves trying to discredit their former hero of the UN, Powell. :D

They're shocked, shocked to you hear, to hear Powell say that these negative attacks implying Obama is a Muslim and that he's a terrorist turned Powell against the McCain campaign!! Why John McCain NEVER said that! Of course, they're quick to point out that Obama stays above the fray and has surrogates do his dirty work, but that's all forgotten now. They're shocked. JOHN McCAIN never said that! What a bunch of f**king hypocrites these idiots are.

3rd-try
10-19-2008, 09:49 AM
I'm surprised that Mr. Powell, who has a strong military background, approves of electing a prez who, due to past associations couldn't possibly get a job with the FBI.

Dress it up how ever you wish, but thats a fact.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:49 AM
I think this is more a statement against the Republican Party.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:51 AM
What a bunch of f**king hypocrites these idiots are.

If Powell goes out on the campaign trail with Obama they'll have to wear NASA diapers while on camera.:cool:

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 09:53 AM
Y' know CW, just when I thought it was impossible for me to have even less respect for you...you go ahead and surprise me.

Why aren't you on DU shilling for Obambi? Go on, they're more your kind of people.....

Incidentally, Powell will regret this later down the line. Obama has little regard for the military, has never served, and is close friends with domestic terrorists.


Mr. LaBolt said the men first met in 1995 through the education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and have encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood.

LIAR.

Crossing Paths Daily: Obama and Ayers Shared an Office (Update: For Three Years) (http://www.verumserum.com/?p=2907)
I predict that we will see the same thing as under Clinton, the military will be gutted, the security of the US will be sacrificed for the sake of "the greater good and hope and change".

A lot of resignations and failed enlistments will follow. Hope you've enjoyed the last eight years of safety, CW...Obama is about to kiss it all goodbye.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

He listened to this man's insanity for TWENTY YEARS. Even from here, I can see just how dangerous this man is.

In the United States, the people celebrated the anniversary of one of the greatest speeches of all time.

“Let people not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the strength of their character”.

On that same day, Barack Hussein Obama was declared the Democratic Presidential nominee by acclamation.

Not by the strength of his character….but by the colour of his skin.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:55 AM
Why aren't you on DU shilling for Obambi? Go on, they're more your kind of people.....

The Obama campaign just raised $150,000,000.00 last month. CW should keep his toe-hold here.:p

GrumpyOldLady
10-19-2008, 09:57 AM
I think this is more a statement against the Republican Party.

Actually, it's more of a statement that Powells loyalties are SKIN DEEP.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 09:57 AM
Y'know CW, just when I thought it was impossible for me to have even less respect for you...you go ahead and surprise me.

Why aren't you on DU shilling for Obambi? Go on, they're more your kind of people.....

What did I say that was incorrect? Powell endorsed Obama. Faux news idiot anchors fall all over themselves discrediting Powell, a figure they previously praised when he appeared before the UN supporting the invasion of Iraq. They're saying that his statements are factually incorrect because John McCain never called Obama a Muslim or a terrorist. They ignore the fact that neither candidate engages directly in such negative attacks, they let surrogates do it for them. However, they do point this out when Obama surrogates attack McCain.

Please show me a statement there that is incorrect.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 09:59 AM
If the black vote wasn't unified before - you can throw that card on the floor now, Yee-Haw state citizens.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:01 AM
Ooooh - post #12 got altered.:rolleyes:

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:08 AM
McCain just came out and said he wasn't surprised - as he's not worried about it because he's got four other Secretaries of State on his side and a hundred generals. Of course none of those people had a stake-out for them at NBC's studios this morning, because - well - their opinions just don't matter that much?;)

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:11 AM
What did I say that was incorrect? Powell endorsed Obama.

Yes, we know.


Faux news idiot anchors fall all over themselves discrediting Powell, a figure they previously praised when he appeared before the UN supporting the invasion of Iraq.

Fox News is a damned sight more balanced than the New York Slimes, who emailed a sixteen year old girl to smear her schoolfriends.


They're saying that his statements are factually incorrect because John McCain never called Obama a Muslim or a terrorist. They ignore the fact that neither candidate engages directly in such negative attacks, they let surrogates do it for them. However, they do point this out when Obama surrogates attack McCain.

And he never did. Sarah Palin said he "palled around with terrorists".He did and he does.


Please show me a statement there that is incorrect.

DU is <==== that way.

Well done, CW, you are now in the same basket as LP and Eyelids.

Lager
10-19-2008, 10:13 AM
Do you think there's anyone left out there who's opinion will be changed by Powell's decision?

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:15 AM
Oh, by the way, here's a small example of the kind of people Obama calls "friends"

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/Cerriadh/sds_bring_the_war_home.jpg

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:17 AM
Do you think there's anyone left out there who's opinion will be changed by Powell's decision?

Many of the Independent persuasion, yes. ;)

Goldwater
10-19-2008, 10:18 AM
Actually, it's more of a statement that Powells loyalties are SKIN DEEP.

Powell does not have to be "loyal" to anyone, he is a free citizen.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:20 AM
Powell does not have to be "loyal" to anyone, he is a free citizen.

Except to his country, his ethics...the truth...

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:26 AM
Except to his country, his ethics...the truth...

In as much as he'll pretty much have his pick of positions in the new government (if he decides to do so - rather than release a series of books about his nighmare experieces in the Bush administration), I think OUR country will be just fine.;)

Lager
10-19-2008, 10:27 AM
Many of the Independent persuasion, yes. ;)

Powell isn't going to change anyone's mind, this late. I'm sure Obama will be glad to accept it, and probably wishes it was earlier, but this is mostly something the MSM can get excited about, after a long, long, long campaign that's winding down and where real, breaking new, is becoming harder to create.

3rd-try
10-19-2008, 10:29 AM
It's quite funny. I'm over watching Faux Sunday morning show (I normally turn it over at 8:30 from CNN as I don't like the House Call segment and have been bustling about and haven't turned it back), and the trio are stumbling all over themselves trying to discredit their former hero of the UN, Powell. :D

They're shocked, shocked to you hear, to hear Powell say that these negative attacks implying Obama is a Muslim and that he's a terrorist turned Powell against the McCain campaign!! Why John McCain NEVER said that! Of course, they're quick to point out that Obama stays above the fray and has surrogates do his dirty work, but that's all forgotten now. They're shocked. JOHN McCAIN never said that! What a bunch of f**king hypocrites these idiots are.


Funny, listening to Powell. I'm trying to recall the last time I heard a political competitor of Obama mention anything about muslim. But, Powell has repeated it 3 times as if it's some daily attack. Powell also said "the American people don't want to hear about Ayers." I'd like to thank Powell for telling me what I do and don't want to hear. While delivered much better, the content of his endorsement instantly reminded me of a typical John Kerry speech.

Goldwater
10-19-2008, 10:30 AM
Except to his country, his ethics...the truth...

Are you that deluded that Colin Powell (a man who has served his country with distinction and honor) can't endorse a candidate for President that you don't like without being a traitor to his country and his ethics? I don't like Obama but I'm not going to go crazy baboon ass moon bat on Mr. Powell for it.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:30 AM
I think OUR country will be just fine

Hey LP...this is what happened last time you had a President asleep at the switch.

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/june2007/070607Sept11.jpg

and this is who you are looking at electing

http://www.nicedoggie.net/2008/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/barackchamberlain.jpg

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 10:31 AM
Yes, we know.

Fox News is a damned sight more balanced than the New York Slimes, who emailed a sixteen year old girl to smear her schoolfriends.


And he never did. Sarah Palin said he "palled around with terrorists".He did and he does.

DU is <==== that way.

Well done, CW, you are now in the same basket as LP and Eyelids.

As I thought. Nothing I said was incorrect. Whether Faux News is more balanced than the NY Times is an interesting discussion, but nothing that is relevant to the statement I made. I acknowledged that McCain did not call Obama either a Muslim or a terrorist. My point was that both candidates let surrogates do that for them, a point that Faux news brings out when an Obama surrogate attacks McCain.

As for being in the same basket as LP and Eyelids, I would say that none of us is in the "same basket." Eyelids is an avowed socialist who will vote for Obama; LP is, well, I'm not sure, but will vote for McCain; I'm a libertarian and will either vote for Barr or write in my Senator's name.

So, again I ask, what did I say that was incorrect? As usual, you've got nothing. Why don't you now follow your typical chain of argument and start the name calling and vulgarities?

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 10:33 AM
Oh, by the way, here's a small example of the kind of people Obama calls "friends"

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/Cerriadh/sds_bring_the_war_home.jpg

That's interesting. I probably remember the SDS much better than you do.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:33 AM
As for being in the same basket as LP and Eyelids, I would say that none of us is in the "same basket." Eyelids is an avowed socialist who will vote for Obama; LP is, well, I'm not sure, but will vote for McCain; I'm a libertarian and will either vote for Barr or write in my Senator's name.

Libertarian?? BWAHAHAHA.....yet here you are shilling for Obama.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:34 AM
That's interesting. I probably remember the SDS much better than you do.

Patronising, isn't he?.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:35 AM
Hey LP...this is what happened last time you had a President asleep at the switch.

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/june2007/070607Sept11.jpg

You mean George W. Bush? :confused:

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:36 AM
FOX news is so pathetic they're talking about cell phone safety now. Almost as deranged as Sonnabend.:D

Speedy
10-19-2008, 10:37 AM
Not a surprise. Everyone of prominence who is Black has gone for Obama, for no other reason than they "feel" it is something they HAVE to do. I wrote off any Black Conservative endorsing McCain a long time ago. Being in a Black family, I can see this coming from a long way off.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 10:42 AM
You mean George W. Bush? :confused:

I mean the Liar in Chief, Mr Blue Dress Blowjob Clinton, also known as the Impeached One.

The guy that ordered the Somali retreat, the wall between the intel agencies, the man that had Bin Laden and let him go.

Pres. Bush was elected in 2000. Sept 11 was nine months later and there was nothing he could do to stop what was already in train. Clinton was too busy with Monica at the time.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 10:43 AM
FOX news is so pathetic they're talking about cell phone safety now. Almost as deranged as Sonnabend.:D

I don't know why you're continuing to watch them. Tottenham at Stoke is due on at 11:00 (EDT) and, while it may not be the most exciting two teams around these days, it's better than watching those idiots.

BadCat
10-19-2008, 10:48 AM
I saw him give his "explanation" on the news this morning. Doesn't seem like he's very aware of Hussiens positions and policies, so I find it odd that he endorses him.

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 10:52 AM
I saw him give his "explanation" on the news this morning. Doesn't seem like he's very aware of Hussiens positions and policies, so I find it odd that he endorses him.

I felt the same way. And he said he won't campaign for him.


"And I come to the conclusion that because of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities — and you have to take that into account — as well as his substance — he has both style and substance, he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president."

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 10:54 AM
Here's a question. Who could have come out for Obama, at this time, and had the same impact?:confused:

(BTW - you're a delusional fool if you think this doesn't have an impact.)

Goldwater
10-19-2008, 10:57 AM
Endorsements don't do much, they help in primaries to get the party together but in general elections they have even smaller effect.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Libertarian?? BWAHAHAHA.....yet here you are shilling for Obama.

Again, you demonstrate a severe lack of reading skills. Where have I in this thread or elsewhere said anything in support of Obama. Herein I was pointing out the hypocrisy of Faux News, not supporting Obama. In the "Naval Academy/Columbia" thread I pointed out that Obama had better academic credentials than John McCain (as does the Idiot Child). Therein, I was not supporting Obama, but addressing the hypocrisy of the (very correct) notion that there are differences in the quality of education amongst our universities and colleges, but (very incorrectly) only when it's OUR GUY. and pooh-poohing that notion when it's THEIR GUY.

I started this campaign supporting McCain while others here did not, preferring Dead Fred or the Huckeboomer. I've been disappointed with the way he has conducted his campaign, in particular in his judgement in pandering the the extremes of the party by selecting the obviously unqualified Palin as his running mate. My position is the same as many prominent conservatives, including Christopher Buckley, George Will, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and Heather MacDonald.

However, your mentality and that of others here mirrors the Bushism, "You're either with us or with the terrorists." Life is a bit more complicated than a B western.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 11:00 AM
Here's a question. Who could have come out for Obama, at this time, and had the same impact?:confused:

(BTW - you're a delusional fool if you think this doesn't have an impact.)

It will have a significant impact among those centrist "undecideds," many, many of whom view Powell as a figure to respect.

Lager
10-19-2008, 11:09 AM
My position is the same as many prominent conservatives, including Christopher Buckley, George Will, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and Heather MacDonald.


Your position isn't quite the same. Most of the conservatives you cite, have issues with her experience and qualifications, yes. However I wouldn't say the majority of them ever faulted McCain for pandering to the "extremes" of the party. That is simply your opinion, which you have a right to. I don't necessarily agree with the posters who accuse you of supporting Obama. You've deftly managed to avoid doing that outright. However there's no denying that your primary objectives seem to be to discredit the conservative position as well as the republican candidate. So, it's not surprising what some might glean from that.

3rd-try
10-19-2008, 11:12 AM
However, your mentality and that of others here mirrors the Bushism, "You're either with us or with the terrorists." Life is a bit more complicated than a B western.


You should be a political speech writer, making catchy little statements like this. With no content they really can't be proved or disproved, but sound good. And they're short and simple enough for shallow little headline skimming minds to remember and use in order to feel superior in their depth of understanding.

Lager
10-19-2008, 11:14 AM
It will have a significant impact among those centrist "undecideds," many, many of whom view Powell as a figure to respect.

You guys are kidding, right? You think there are actually "undecideds" who are waiting on significant figures to endorse this late in the game, before making up their minds? Yeah, maybe there's a total of 12 or so, but that's not going to change things. This is bandwagon time, where people feel it's safe to jump aboard now that the train is close to the station. I respect General Powell, so I won't deride his decision. But I do observe the relative "safety" of him making his decision now, instead of earlier.

Now, if John McCain came out and endorsed the O man, what an impact that would have. :D

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 11:16 AM
* watching Powell on 'Meet the Press'.

Holy Shit - the RNC is done. :eek::eek:

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Powell said both Obama and Republican John McCain are qualified to be commander in chief. But he said Obama is better suited to handle the nation's economic problems as well as help improve its standing in the world.

Yeah..."spread the wealth around" :rolleyes:


"I think we need a transformational figure. I think we need a president who is a generational change and that's why I'm supporting Barack Obama, not out of any lack of respect or admiration for Sen. John McCain."

A WHAT???


At the same time, he is a black man and Obama would be the nation's first black president.

I won't say it....

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 11:24 AM
Powell is now saying that without the WMD "evidence" - we'd have never gone to war in Iraq.:eek:

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 11:25 AM
Your position isn't quite the same. Most of the conservatives you cite, have issues with her experience and qualifications, yes. However I wouldn't say the majority of them ever faulted McCain for pandering to the "extremes" of the party. That is simply your opinion, which you have a right to. I don't necessarily agree with the posters who accuse you of supporting Obama. You've deftly managed to avoid doing that outright. However there's no denying that your primary objectives seem to be to discredit the conservative position as well as the republican candidate. So, it's not surprising what some might glean from that.

You're correct in that, in general, most of the commentators I cite do not attempt to define McCain's motivations for picking Palin at all, excepting perhaps the now-famous Noonan live mike comment. However, while I have often said that, I've also cited the exact same issues with her competence -- foreign policy, economics -- that the others I noted have cited, often using the same quotes.

As to discrediting conservative positions, which ones do I attempt to discredit? I support McCain's military policy, but I think that events are unfolding in Iraq such that either candidate will be forced into the same policy. McCain's economic policy is not that far from Obama's in many ways and as to taxes in specific, anyone who thinks that either candidate can fulfill his promises given the current economic crisis, and not raise taxes is living in a fantasy world. Neither one's health plan appeals to me but, given that I do have one of those dreaded "pre-existing conditions," McCain's appeals less.

I differ from one group of conservatives on policies regarding civil liberties and social issues -- abortions, gay marriages, drugs. However, I would point out that many, many conservatives outside of what I consider the extreme religious right agree with me.

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 11:26 AM
Here's a question. Who could have come out for Obama, at this time, and had the same impact?:confused:



An endorsement from Joe the plumber would have had a bigger impact. :D

If Powell had endorsed McCain the left would have slammed his UN speech.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 11:28 AM
If Powell had endorsed McCain the left would have slammed his UN speech.

But then it would have made a huge impact, right?;)

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't think it will have an impact. People with brains can see right through it.

Powell had lost the respect of both parties.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 11:34 AM
I don't think it will have an impact. People with brains can see right through it.

You're not describing the average American voter.:cool:

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 11:36 AM
You're not describing the average American voter.:cool:

True, and anyone who can't decide between a lying scumbag and a hero has to be pretty dumb.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 11:42 AM
Again - this will be a quantity decision - not a quality decision.

I have a feeling there will be more guns showing around more polling places than in an old George Wallace election.:cool:

d_va
10-19-2008, 11:47 AM
Actually, it's more of a statement that Powells loyalties are SKIN DEEP.

Obama is the Dem nominee because of one "anti-war" speech given in front of a safe "anti-war" crowd in a liberal section of Southside Chicago at a Jesse Jackson event. (the media never mentioned BO's speech that day)

We know what Powell's position was :rolleyes:

I think you're right GOL :cool:

Lager
10-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Again - this will be a quantity decision - not a quality decision.

I have a feeling there will be more guns showing around more polling places than in an old George Wallace election.:cool:

That's ridiculous. What was that you said earlier about "delusional fools"? Please tell me how you can support such an outrageous claim?

BadCat
10-19-2008, 12:01 PM
Again - this will be a quantity decision - not a quality decision.

I have a feeling there will be more guns showing around more polling places than in an old George Wallace election.:cool:

I intend to wear both of my CCW pistols on election day. Who's it going to intimidate if they can't see them?

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 12:04 PM
That's ridiculous. What was that you said earlier about "delusional fools"? Please tell me how you can support such an outrageous claim?

Then how - exactly - do you see McCain winning this election otherwise?

Lager
10-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Although I'd like to see McCain win, we shouldn't need to become like the far left and force our views on anyone, nor intimidate them onto our side. If Republicans have to pay the price for not sticking to conservative principles, then so be it. I can understand why the country is ready for a change, any change, even if it turns out to be worse in the long run. There's a part of me that thinks repubs deserve this. It's ironic that we talk in this election about the need to cut spending and have sound economic policies, after eight years of exactly the opposite. Should we be surprised when that doesn't connect with the voters now?

BadCat
10-19-2008, 12:27 PM
Although I'd like to see McCain win, we shouldn't need to become like the far left and force our views on anyone, nor intimidate them onto our side. If Republicans have to pay the price for not sticking to conservative principles, then so be it. I can understand why the country is ready for a change, any change, even if it turns out to be worse in the long run. There's a part of me that thinks repubs deserve this. It's ironic that we talk in this election about the need to cut spending and have sound economic policies, after eight years of exactly the opposite. Should we be surprised when that doesn't connect with the voters now?

I won't be.

Odysseus
10-19-2008, 01:08 PM
Actually, it's more of a statement that Powells loyalties are SKIN DEEP.
That's probably part of it, but Powell was always an extremely liberal Republican. He opposed the first Gulf War and his tenure as Secretary of State was marked by his opposition to pretty much everything that the administration proposed, as well as his being a major part of the leak culture there.

If the black vote wasn't unified before - you can throw that card on the floor now, Yee-Haw state citizens.
Yeah, those last 3% were just waiting for Powell's permission

In as much as he'll pretty much have his pick of positions in the new government (if he decides to do so - rather than release a series of books about his nighmare experieces in the Bush administration), I think OUR country will be just fine.;)
Just like it was just fine in 1932?

Funny, listening to Powell. I'm trying to recall the last time I heard a political competitor of Obama mention anything about muslim. But, Powell has repeated it 3 times as if it's some daily attack. Powell also said "the American people don't want to hear about Ayers." I'd like to thank Powell for telling me what I do and don't want to hear. While delivered much better, the content of his endorsement instantly reminded me of a typical John Kerry speech.
What amazed me about Powell's declaration was that it was a collection of DNC talking points. His criticism of Palin as being inexperienced (compared to who? Obama?), his comments about Obama's generational change, etc., could have come right off of Obama's website.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 01:09 PM
Obama thanks Powell for endorsement

Posted: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:24 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, McCain, Obama

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones and NBC's Shawna Thomas

Per Obama senior adviser Robert Gibbs, Obama called Colin Powell this morning, thanked him for his endorsement, and said how honored he was to have it.

Obama "said he looked forward to taking advantage of his advice in the next two weeks and hopefully over the next four years," Gibbs said in an email to the traveling press. "They talked for ten minutes."

Meanwhile, in an interview on FOX, McCain said that Powell's endorsement of Obama wasn't surprising. "Well, I've always admired and respected Gen. Powell. We're longtime friends," McCain stated. "This doesn't come as a surprise. But I'm also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, Secretaries Kissinger, Baker, Eagleburger and Haig. And I'm proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired Army generals and admirals. But I respect and continue to respect and admire Secretary Powell."



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/19/1567354.aspx

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 01:15 PM
Just like it was just fine in 1932?

You mean when FDR took Herbert Hoover, A Republican, from the White House? Yes - I believe you're correct in that assessment.;)

Odysseus
10-19-2008, 01:24 PM
Obama thanks Powell for endorsement
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/19/1567354.aspx
In a related story, Vladimir Illych Lenin thanked all of the "useful idiots" who contributed to his rise to power.

You mean when FDR took Herbert Hoover, A Republican, from the White House? Yes - I believe you're correct in that assessment.;)
And the Great Depression intensified for the next five years. Yep. That's the assessment. You think that the economy is bad now, wait until the Democrats have complete control of it again.

Goldwater
10-19-2008, 01:28 PM
Just like it was just fine in 1932?

Both then and now, pseudo-conservatism failed and gave rise to these huge liberal majorities.

Makes you think.

Zeus
10-19-2008, 01:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrwG6_Z0sjU

Speedy
10-19-2008, 01:33 PM
Anyone remember how much the DUmp hated Powell? I will bet they would love Condi Rice if she did the same thing.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 01:44 PM
I will bet they would love Condi Rice if she did the same thing.

Condi would perform oral on the current president in public, on television, in the Vatican, in front of the Pope - if "W" said it was the right thing to do.:cool:

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 01:50 PM
I differ from one group of conservatives on policies regarding civil liberties and social issues -- abortions, gay marriages, drugs. However, I would point out that many, many conservatives outside of what I consider the extreme religious right agree with me.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements you have ever made. Most conservatives, excluding the bible thumpers, do not approve of abortion, gay marriage, legalization of drugs and your most favorite delusional right, prostitution. Most Repubs in the northeast are NOT conservatives but RINO's. I rarely go to church and I have enough common sense to believe those things are wrong. When put to a vote in states other than the wacko wackies in CA, NY, MA, etc they have been defeated.

Getting back to the topic at hand though. I don't know if Powell's endorsement will help Obama or not. I do think the Bradley effect might influence voters in states like PA and NJ. Even a nut job like Murtha said so.

What you said about promises these two birds can not are making are true. We will see a recession in most if not all of 2009. Less money will go into the treasury. Federal tax revenues will be a disaster. Millions of taxpayers will be taking that $3,000 Capital Gains Loss and/or apply them to gains on their Federal returns for many years. States like CA & NY are on the brink of bankruptcy. Many fat cat brokers and investors who provide 30% of NYC tax revenues are out of work. On the bright side, you can follow a senile old man like Buffet who is one of Obama's advisers and lose your shirt. His B.H. fund has lost around 40% for the year and his purchase of GE has dropped like a rock in 1 week from $25 to $19 per share. We will really be in deep shit if Buffet and Volker are running our economic policies.

McCain has got it right on foreign affairs and the security of this country. I fear that Obama will either let our guard down to another terrorist attack or that the terrorists will view Obama as a weakling. In either case, it might result in something worse than 9/11. That in a nutshell is why I will vote for McCain. All of these other issues are immaterial if you are dead. Ask family members of 9/11 if you do not believe me. It can happen again. People of this country have short memories.

Eyelids
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Powell has an 80% favorability rating with the US public.... but his endorsement means nothing? What little chance McCain had at Virginia (thus, the election) just died.

AlmostThere
10-19-2008, 02:41 PM
I don't think it will have an impact. People with brains can see right through it.

Powell had lost the respect of both parties.

I'd wager there are conservatives who don't like McCain but who might go to the polls if only to prevent Obama from stacking the SCOTUS with liberal judges.

Politico quotes Powell as saying a key reason he's supporting Obama as: "I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

It's hard to imagine a Republican or conservative Independent not repudiating that reasoning.

Speedy
10-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Powell has an 80% favorability rating with the US public.... but his endorsement means nothing? What little chance McCain had at Virginia (thus, the election) just died.


I respect Colin Powell but whoever he endorses has little effect on my vote. My vote is my and I make the decision on who I vote for. I do not vote to agree with anyone.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 03:00 PM
Powell has an 80% favorability rating with the US public.... but his endorsement means nothing? What little chance McCain had at Virginia (thus, the election) just died.

If McCain had picked him as VP you could drop that favor-ability rating rating 20 to 30% in a matter of a month or two because the left wing liberal MSM would be out to crucify him.

Gov. Palin and Joe the plumber will tilt Independents toward McCain and the Repubs will beat the stuffing's out of O and Joe.

Zeus
10-19-2008, 03:43 PM
Obama's lead slips to 3 points (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49G0V320081019?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama's lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race has dropped to 3 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.

Obama leads McCain by 48 to 45 percent among likely U.S. voters, down 1 percentage point from Saturday. The four-day tracking poll, which has a margin of error of 2.9 points.

Pollster John Zogby said the numbers were good news for McCain and probably reflected a bump following his appearance in the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday.

"For the first time in the polling McCain is up above 45 percent. There is no question something has happened," Zogby said.

...

Eyelids
10-19-2008, 03:46 PM
Obama's lead slips to 3 points (http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49G0V320081019?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true)

The only two trackers I have EVER referenced on this site (and you can go back as far as you want) are Rasmussen and Gallup, those are the only two I trust.

Gallup:
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/hh5yqkjoz0643z1cuvndva.gif

Rasmussen:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama attracting 51% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%.

The race has stabilized in that Obama isn't gaining ground anymore, he's just holding at about 7-8%.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 03:58 PM
Joe the plumber will cause an uptick in McCain's poll numbers. Like I have said, the poll numbers are skewed toward Obama.The only numbers that count are the ones on election day.

Eyelids
10-19-2008, 03:59 PM
McCain's gonna win New York and New Jersey too right lacarnut?

Zeus
10-19-2008, 04:09 PM
The only two trackers I have EVER referenced on this site (and you can go back as far as you want) are Rasmussen and Gallup, those are the only two I trust.

Gallup:
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/hh5yqkjoz0643z1cuvndva.gif

Rasmussen:


The race has stabilized in that Obama isn't gaining ground anymore, he's just holding at about 7-8%.

Gallup polls by themselves are hogwash,They cosponsor polls to maintain some credibility. Rasmussen and Zogby have the best rep for accuracy. The Messiah isn't holding in the polls he is loosing ground. That is not a good sign in such a tight race two weeks out from the election. Sure you can find a poll or two with Nobama with an 7 -8 pt lead but in the aggregate it's a statistical dead heat and going backwords doesn't bode well for a candidate at this point.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 04:20 PM
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Rev Wright,
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Michelle Obama,
Louis Farrakhan,
William Ayres,
Bernadine Dorhn,
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Khalid Al Monsour,
Frank Marshall Davis,
Saul Alinsky,
Father Pfleger,
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Rev Meeks,
George Soros,
Raila Odingo,
Abongo Obama,
Black Panthers,
Ludacris,
Franklin Raines,
Jim Johnson,
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Hugo Chavez,
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The NY Times,
Chris Dodd,
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Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 04:22 PM
Anyone remember how much the everyone here loved Powell? I will bet they would hate Condi Rice if she did the same thing.

Fixed. Oh, save me Shannon! :D

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 04:26 PM
...
Gov. Palin and Joe the plumber will tilt Independents toward McCain and the Repubs will beat the stuffing's out of O and Joe.

Joe the Plumber, perhaps. But you really don't think that a significant portion of independents will vote for the Republican ticket because of Palin, do you? Every, every analysis and poll shows just the opposite. Why would an independent be attracted to the ticket because of an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-abstinence woman? Jeez, not a chance.

Speedy
10-19-2008, 04:27 PM
I don't know about you, but I doubt that this came as a surprise to anyone here. It did not to me. I could have called this one months ago. Most of us on here could have. Powell did not shine as brightly on here as he once did for years.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 04:28 PM
Gallup polls by themselves are hogwash,They cosponsor polls to maintain some credibility. Rasmussen and Zogby have the best rep for accuracy. The Messiah isn't holding in the polls he is loosing ground. That is not a good sign in such a tight race two weeks out from the election. Sure you can find a poll or two with Nobama with an 7 -8 pt lead but in the aggregate it's a statistical dead heat and going backwords doesn't bode well for a candidate at this point.

Oh noes. Obama is loosing ground. He probably loosing the wild horses as well. Shit!

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 04:30 PM
McCain's gonna win New York and New Jersey too right lacarnut?

Wayll, I'ss thinks that McCain and the wonderful Govn'r Palin (is she frum Birminham, where des luvs the govn'r?) will wain CA, NY, PA, and NJ.

Speedy
10-19-2008, 04:31 PM
Why would an independent be attracted to the ticket because of an anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, pro-abstinence woman? Jeez, not a chance.
Those are Democrats. No "Independent" voter with those stances was going to go for McCain no matter what. Even McCain at his most dense ever believed that Palin was going to bring enough Independents to make up for the hemmoraging of the Rpublican Base. She was brought in to shore up the Conservatives, which were lukewarm or even hostile to McCain.

Zeus
10-19-2008, 04:32 PM
Oh noes. Obama is loosing ground. He probably loosing the wild horses as well. Shit!

You don't consider going from a six point lead to a 3 point lead in two days loosing ground ? Or a significant shift just two weeks out from the election ?

xavierob82
10-19-2008, 05:21 PM
I'm surprised that Mr. Powell, who has a strong military background, approves of electing a prez who, due to past associations couldn't possibly get a job with the FBI.

Dress it up how ever you wish, but thats a fact.


You obviously don't know how easy it is to receive a government security clearance. As long as you haven't killed anyone, you're pretty much guaranteed a TS clearance if your position so requires it.

Hell, even I have an inactive Top Secret-SCI and an active Secret.

MrsSmith
10-19-2008, 05:24 PM
Wayll, I'ss thinks that McCain and the wonderful Govn'r Palin (is she frum Birminham, where des luvs the govn'r?) will wain CA, NY, PA, and NJ.

Wow, is that racist? :eek::eek::eek:

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 05:24 PM
*coughcoughTiTcough*

xavierob82
10-19-2008, 05:25 PM
I don't think it will have an impact. People with brains can see right through it.

Powell had lost the respect of both parties.


Endorsements never have an impact, unless you receive one from Al Gore, in which case it's the kiss of death.:D

If anything, this will just steal the media spotlight from Joe the Plumber for a couple of days.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 05:27 PM
Y' know CW, just when I thought it was impossible for me to have even less respect for you...you go ahead and surprise me....

BTW, Sonna. I was a bit busy this morning, watching Tottenham lose yet again, doing the Sunday thread, reading a bit of Paris in the 50s (http://www.atlasmagazine.com/editorial/karnow/). But now, I'm just doing a bit of cooking (Brunswick Stew), watching a very boring American football game betwen the Jets and the Raiders, and waiting to go to New Haven to pick up my girlfriend, so I've a bit of time.

I gotta ask you. While you provide very interesting information, why do you think I would give a f**k about whether some provencial Aussie has "respect for me?" I really don't understand.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 05:28 PM
You obviously don't know how easy it is to receive a government security clearance. As long as you haven't killed anyone, you're pretty much guaranteed a TS clearance if your position so requires it.

Hell, even I have an inactive Top Secret-SCI and an active Secret.

You're exactly correct. I've held a Top Secret with the CIA. Wasn't that hard.

Sonnabend
10-19-2008, 05:29 PM
I gotta ask you. While you provide very interesting information, why do you think I would give a f**k about whether some provencial Aussie has "respect for me?" I really don't understand.

Still patronising, isn't he? And it's spelled "provincial". For someone who has travelled so much, you still have a very narrow mind.

DU would love you.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 05:30 PM
Wow, is that racist? :eek::eek::eek:

Probably significantly less than refering to blacks as "black beauties," "black asses," and "magic negroes." But, we don't want facts to get in the way, do we?

Nubs
10-19-2008, 05:32 PM
I think this is more a statement against the Republican Party.

I think it's more of ensuring he has a seat at the table. If the prospect of a black president is so electrifying, why did he feel the need to wait till 2 weeks prior to the election??? Why not immediately after the nomination??

xavierob82
10-19-2008, 05:37 PM
I think it's more of ensuring he has a seat at the table. If the prospect of a black president is so electrifying, why did he feel the need to wait till 2 weeks prior to the election??? Why not immediately after the nomination??


Quite simply, because it was a smart strategic move to wait later, rather than sooner.

Lager
10-19-2008, 05:43 PM
Strategic, i.e. "safe". Don't want to burn your bridges behind you.

MrsSmith
10-19-2008, 05:46 PM
Probably significantly less than refering to blacks as "black beauties," "black asses," and "magic negroes." But, we don't want facts to get in the way, do we?

I guess you don't. :D

Just out of curiousity, when did you use these other phrases?

BadCat
10-19-2008, 05:50 PM
You obviously don't know how easy it is to receive a government security clearance. As long as you haven't killed anyone, you're pretty much guaranteed a TS clearance if your position so requires it.

Hell, even I have an inactive Top Secret-SCI and an active Secret.

"Inactive" being the operative word here. Active Secret, wow, I'm soooooo impressed. Means they don't tell you jackshit.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 06:12 PM
I guess you don't. :D

Just out of curiousity, when did you use these other phrases?

Sorry, I didn't. These are all phrases used repeatedly by our colleague, lacurnut. In addition to his usual vocabulary of vulgarity, he has the tendency to inject racist phrases as well. However, should you call him one it, he will tell you some of his best friends are black.

BTW, thank you for the setup, however unintentional. :D

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 06:21 PM
Magic Negro did not originate with lacarnut or Rush Limbaugh


Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man. (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center)

AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."
The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

snip

JB
10-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Wow. 11 pages on this non-issue.

Wake me in ten minutes when it's yesterdays news.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 06:32 PM
Magic Negro did not originate with lacarnut or Rush Limbaugh


Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man. (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center)

AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."
The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .

snip

I understand that, but you fail to (1) recognize the tone in which lacarnut uses it and (2) address his constant use of "black beauties" to describe blacks in general and his use of "your black ass" to address Eyelids in specific.

He's also desparate for the "Bradley Effect" to kick in so that McCain can somehow win PA and NJ (:eek: Riiiight! :D). He's as racist as they come and it's apparent for all to see here.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 06:32 PM
Wow. 11 pages on this non-issue.

Wake me in ten minutes when it's yesterdays news.

But, but, but... the Gunners won yesterday, so it's a good weekend. :D

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 06:35 PM
I also "don't fail" to see how condescending you are to almost everyone here on CU.

Don't you realize how obnoxious you seem?

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 06:37 PM
I also "don't fail" to see how condescending you are to almost everyone here on CU.

Don't you realize how obnoxious you seem?

God, YOU can say that with a straight face? What a joke.

However, you didn't contradict what I said about lacarnut, did you? Because you can't.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 06:52 PM
Magic Negro did not originate with lacarnut or Rush Limbaugh


Obama the 'Magic Negro'
The Illinois senator lends himself to white America's idealized, less-than-real black man. (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center)

AS EVERY CARBON-BASED life form on this planet surely knows, Barack Obama, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, is running for president. Since making his announcement, there has been no end of commentary about him in all quarters — musing over his charisma and the prospect he offers of being the first African American to be elected to the White House.

But it's clear that Obama also is running for an equally important unelected office, in the province of the popular imagination — the "Magic Negro."
The Magic Negro is a figure of postmodern folk culture, coined by snarky 20th century sociologists, to explain a cultural figure who emerged in the wake of Brown vs. Board of Education. "He has no past, he simply appears one day to help the white protagonist," reads the description on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro .



Don't try to explain anything to this vile idiot. Mayor Nagin of N.O. makes racial slurs like Chocolate City and the black Mayor of Baton Rouge states that "I am not going to allow New Orleans thugs to take over this city" after the city doubled after Katrina. If a white repeats anything a black politician says in public, he is a racist. I got it.

Powell is a turncoat; not because he is supporting Obama but because he blasted the Republicians Party when he was given many promotions by Republician Presidents going back to Ronald Reagan. I feel the same way about Dick Morris. Both are ungrateful ingrates.

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 06:59 PM
However, you didn't contradict what I said about lacarnut, did you? Because you can't.

lacarnut can take care of himself, he doesn't need to run to the mods like you do.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:03 PM
lacarnut can take care of himself, he doesn't need to run to the mods like you do.

I'm at a bit of a loss here (not a loose, btw). You've got a poster who consistently refers to blacks as "black beauties" and who, when in dispute with another poster who is black (presumably), refers to his "black ass." WTF do you consider racist? Maybe he could burn a cross on his front lawn? Would that be enough?

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 07:05 PM
lacarnut can take care of himself, he doesn't need to run to the mods like you do.

The Little Man of mind and stature is a cry baby. Wonder what his pre existing medical condition is? Aids or depression.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:06 PM
The Little Man of mind and stature is a cry baby. Wonder what his pre existing medical condition is? Aids or depression.

Neither, guess again.

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 07:07 PM
Neither, guess again.

impotence?

Jumpy
10-19-2008, 07:09 PM
I saw him give his "explanation" on the news this morning. Doesn't seem like he's very aware of Hussiens positions and policies, so I find it odd that he endorses him.

I was surprised too. Lots of unsatisfied Republicans. William Buckley's son.. Colin Powell. It is not good for the Republicans these days. Even though I mistakenly voted for McCain (in the CU poll) to win the election, I predict Obama in a landslide. I will still do my part for my party, because I am voting against Obama.

I have not stopped respecting Powell because of his endorsement. Speedo, it is lame of you to imply that this is racist of him. He has seen and experienced much more than you have ever claimed to experience. He has not suddenly turned into someone not worthy of respect.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:09 PM
impotence?

Bzzzztttt! Would you care to try for Double Jeopardy?

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:10 PM
I was surprised too. Lots of unsatisfied Republicans. William Buckley's son.. Colin Powell. It is not good for the Republicans these days. Even though I mistakenly voted for McCain (in the CU poll) to win the election, I predict Obama in a landslide.

I have not stopped respecting Powell because of his vote. Speedo, it is lame of you to imply that this is racist of him. He has seen and experienced much more than you have ever claimed to experience. He has not suddenly turned into someone not worthy of respect.

Thank you for your sanity, Jumps.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm at a bit of a loss here (not a loose, btw). You've got a poster who consistently refers to blacks as "black beauties" and who, when in dispute with another poster who is black (presumably), refers to his "black ass." WTF do you consider racist? Maybe he could burn a cross on his front lawn? Would that be enough?

Put a cross on my front lawn and I will shoot your dumb white ass. How is that Whitebread.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Put a cross on my front lawn and I will shoot your dumb white ass. How is that Whitebread.

However, I'm sure you wouldn't mind burning one on Eyelid's front lawn (that is supposing he has a front lawn of course).

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 07:14 PM
POWELL, COLIN L GENERAL
MCLEAN, VA 22101
LECTURER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
MCCAIN FOR SENATE '98
04/02/1998 1000.00
When McCain was running for Senate, Powell supported him.
---------------------

POWELL, COLIN L GEN
MCLEAN, VA 22101
PUBLIC SPEAKER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
VIA MCCAIN 2000 INC
02/26/1999 1000.00
When McCain was running against Bush, Powell supported him.
---------------------

POWELL, COLIN L. THE HON.
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF-EMPLOYED/SPEARKER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
JOHN MCAIN 2008 INC
08/08/2007 2300.00
When McCain was running for the Republican nomination, Powell supported him.

When McCain was running against Obama.... not so much.

I kind of doubt it is because Obama has more experience.

patrickbritton
10-19-2008, 07:15 PM
Colin Powell is just one more person looking to take out his frustrations on the system and the Republican Party. I always find it amusing when someone comes around and acts like Obama is the first and only liberal they could ever vote for. Being as radical as he is that kind of statement always makes me laugh.

I watched the video of his endorsement and have to say it sounds like he called Obama and asked what his reason should be. He must be one of those non-issue voters. Instead of being a one issue voter he seems to want to vote because the Republican Party has been mean to Barack and because he thinks Barack will run around fixing our rep. Not very good reasons and I didn't hear him talk about how he loves Obama's socialist agenda. That would have been more interesting to watch.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:16 PM
POWELL, COLIN L GENERAL
MCLEAN, VA 22101
LECTURER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
MCCAIN FOR SENATE '98
04/02/1998 1000.00
When McCain was running for Senate, Powell supported him.
---------------------

POWELL, COLIN L GEN
MCLEAN, VA 22101
PUBLIC SPEAKER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
VIA MCCAIN 2000 INC
02/26/1999 1000.00
When McCain was running against Bush, Powell supported him.
---------------------

POWELL, COLIN L. THE HON.
MCLEAN, VA 22101
SELF-EMPLOYED/SPEARKER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
JOHN MCAIN 2008 INC
08/08/2007 2300.00
When McCain was running for the Republican nomination, Powell supported him.

When McCain was running against Obama.... not so much.

I kind of doubt it is because Obama has more experience.

And I don't think that was the reason Powell gave. I think the primary reason is his disappointment with the McCain campaign, including the selection of Palin. BTW, a disappointment amongst all establishment conservatives that I've pointed to (despite the vulgarities thrown at me) repeatedly.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 07:20 PM
However, I'm sure you wouldn't mind burning one on Eyelid's front lawn (that is supposing he has a front lawn of course).


Naw, but I bet you would not mind sucking his dick.

Cold Warrior
10-19-2008, 07:22 PM
Naw, but I bet you would not mind sucking his dick.

Sorry, not much into that. Not much into rear-ending which would seem to be the preferred proclivity of those in the swamps, either.

SarasotaRepub
10-19-2008, 07:41 PM
Watch it you two and I mean both. :mad:

Let's not get carried away....AGAIN!!!

xavierob82
10-19-2008, 08:01 PM
Colin Powell is just one more person looking to take out his frustrations on the system and the Republican Party. I always find it amusing when someone comes around and acts like Obama is the first and only liberal they could ever vote for. Being as radical as he is that kind of statement always makes me laugh.



Here's a clue: Obama isn't a radical, anymore than any other Democrat like the Clintons were when they were running for president.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 08:05 PM
I think it's more of ensuring he has a seat at the table. If the prospect of a black president is so electrifying, why did he feel the need to wait till 2 weeks prior to the election??? Why not immediately after the nomination??

He explained that exact thing on 'Meet the Press' this morning. Too bad you missed it. It had something to do with actually thinking about his support for one or the other.

LogansPapa
10-19-2008, 08:06 PM
Wow. 11 pages on this non-issue.

Wake me in ten minutes when it's yesterdays news.

It is a 'non-issue' because your guy didn't get it.;)

LibraryLady
10-19-2008, 08:12 PM
I just got three emails form Arab friends saying he said "So what if Obama is a Muslim?"

Now, Powell is their hero.

lacarnut
10-19-2008, 08:31 PM
Here's a clue: Obama isn't a radical, anymore than any other Democrat like the Clintons were when they were running for president.

He has close friends of questionable character with a terrorist, crooked politician and Acorn. It seems that the apple does not fall too far from the tree.

JB
10-19-2008, 08:32 PM
It is a 'non-issue' because your guy didn't get it.;)Be serious will you.

Other than today (actually the last day or so) I didn't hear one thing about...Who will Colin Powell back? I don't think anyone really cares, whether he backs Obama or McCain. I yawned when I heard he was going for Barry. If this is in the news tomorrow, I'll be shocked.

Gore backs McCain. Clinton backs McCain. Limbaugh backs Barry. Those would be stories. :p

JB
10-19-2008, 08:35 PM
Here's a clue: Obama isn't a radical, anymore than any other Democrat like the Clintons were when they were running for president.I'll give you the Clintons but Barry is most certainly a radical.

BadCat
10-19-2008, 08:50 PM
However, I'm sure you wouldn't mind burning one on Eyelid's front lawn (that is supposing he has a front lawn of course).

Oh please, I'm more black than ArcadeFire / Eyeballs.

Speedy
10-19-2008, 08:52 PM
Oh please, I'm more black than ArcadeFire / Eyeballs.

Does not really mean anything since Eyelids is a wigger in the first place. Hell, I am Blacker than Eyelids.

paladin0
10-19-2008, 09:51 PM
What did I say that was incorrect? Powell endorsed Obama. Faux news idiot anchors fall all over themselves discrediting Powell, a figure they previously praised when he appeared before the UN supporting the invasion of Iraq. They're saying that his statements are factually incorrect because John McCain never called Obama a Muslim or a terrorist. They ignore the fact that neither candidate engages directly in such negative attacks, they let surrogates do it for them. However, they do point this out when Obama surrogates attack McCain.

Please show me a statement there that is incorrect.

Seeing the Anchors that were on Fox this weekend were not the same ones that were on 4 years ago it's a bit of a stretch to blame the ones today for what was said over 4 years ago. I guess you also missed McCain defending Obama from attacks on his religion.

Paladin0

paladin0
10-19-2008, 10:18 PM
Colin Powell is someone that I had a lot of respect for. He is someone that I would have supported for President, despite him having more moderate views. I know he's served this country honorable for a long time, but this is him turning his back on the men who served under him.

There is no doubt that the troops will suffer under an Obama administration. There is already talk from the Democrats about changing the age at when retirees can collect their health care benefits and pay. Who knows what else they will start cutting to save money.

Colin Powell knows what happened to the military when Clinton had a democratic majority in the house and senate. To me, even though he is no longer serving, as a leader, he still has a duty to look out for those who serve. If he didn't like what McCain was doing, he could have just declined to endorse, by endorsing he is talking on the responsibility for what happens over the next 4 years.

Paladin0

MrsSmith
10-19-2008, 10:18 PM
I'm at a bit of a loss here (not a loose, btw). You've got a poster who consistently refers to blacks as "black beauties" and who, when in dispute with another poster who is black (presumably), refers to his "black ass." WTF do you consider racist? Maybe he could burn a cross on his front lawn? Would that be enough?

Now I'm confused. Is it your position that black people are not beautiful, and therefore have no right to be called black beauties? And that someone who says he/she is black would not therefore have a black behind? Would lacarnut be less of a racist in your eyes if he called blacks ugly and referred to white behinds?

MrsSmith
10-19-2008, 10:21 PM
Here's a clue: Obama isn't a radical, anymore than any other Democrat like the Clintons were when they were running for president.

ROFL!!!! I never knew you were a comedian!!

wilbur
10-19-2008, 10:56 PM
There is no doubt that the troops will suffer under an Obama administration. There is already talk from the Democrats about changing the age at when retirees can collect their health care benefits and pay. Who knows what else they will start cutting to save money.


Is there really someone here complaining that a politician might cut things to save money?

Any politician that would actually seriously incorporate that kind of policy into their platform would have my vote in a heartbeat.

marinejcksn
10-19-2008, 11:14 PM
The man just lost my respect. Being against the Republican Party, that's one thing I agree with to a point because they're devoid of good Conservative leadership. But you expect me to believe for one second that this had nothing to do with race and I call bullshit. You're unhappy with your party being "too Right".......so.......you endorse the most Liberal member of the Senate who's a Socialist?

cat714
10-19-2008, 11:15 PM
The endorsement of Powell does not surprise me. The only reason I heard him give today for endorsing Obama is because he is concerned about supreme court nominees. I'm sure he gave other reasons later on, but that's the one I heard.


The Obama campaign just raised $150,000,000.00 last month. CW should keep his toe-hold here.:p

We all love a candidate who goes back on their word. :rolleyes: With all the money Obama is spending and raising, he still hasn't closed the deal with voters. The polls don't mean crap...the race is tight and Obama is still campaigning hard.

MrsSmith
10-19-2008, 11:35 PM
Is there really someone here complaining that a politician might cut things to save money?

Any politician that would actually seriously incorporate that kind of policy into their platform would have my vote in a heartbeat.
As this would affect our military, I would assume that our opinion would only count if you are military. Beyond that, cutting the military is the mark of a moron.

nacho
10-20-2008, 02:19 AM
You've deftly managed to avoid doing that outright.

From what I've seen he always manages to avoid taking a stance as it allows him to be "correct" no matter what happens. Because being able to say "I'm technically right" is apparently more important than having substance, right or wrong. I know people like that. It's not an endearing trait.

crockspot
10-20-2008, 10:06 AM
Tide... Toast.... Legs..... *yawn*

But seriously, the Dems can have Powell, we got Joe the Plumber!

LogansPapa
10-20-2008, 10:15 AM
............

marinejcksn
10-20-2008, 10:43 AM
This statement is over the line, very uneducated and last century. :mad:

I realised this too and am going to take it down. The anger over this got the better of my judgement on the issue. I'm still hopping mad at Powell for doing this though.:mad:

LibraryLady
10-20-2008, 10:48 AM
hmmm, just read this from Mark Levin:


"It's my understanding Colin Powell gave his word to John McCain that he would not make an endorsement in this election. Powell stabbed McCain in the back. This is the same Powell who kept silent for two years while Scooter Libby was falsely accused of leaking to Bob Novak when Powell knew his own deputy, Richard Armitage, had spoken to Novak.

"I have never been a fan of Powell. He was plucked from obscurity by Ronald Reagan, did little noteworthy in all the top jobs he has held, had become a favorite in the Washington social scene, and now he endorses Barack Obama. In the end, though, it won't make a difference. Powell thinks he's more important and influential than he actually is."

Is Kos still calling Powell "Uncle Tom"?

paladin0
10-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Is there really someone here complaining that a politician might cut things to save money?

Any politician that would actually seriously incorporate that kind of policy into their platform would have my vote in a heartbeat.

So to preserve government hands outs and other pork projects we have to cut benefits to people who put their lives on the line for this country?

I want spending cut, but not the spending that protects the country, nor the spending on those who risked it all for the country. Lets start cutting welfare and other hand out programs.

Paladin0

bluemeenie
10-20-2008, 11:15 AM
knowing this will probably get me flamed, but I probably wont be voting at all, because of the last debate and how overtly negative it got.


I have never really like McCain, and I can over look outside 527's running negative ads, both sides do it. But I've always been a firm believer that you should run on your convictions.


All these debates, I think McCain could have made Obama look just horrible by showing how flawed his socialist ideals were. Obama has given him enough ammo for gods sake..

And the last debate, he started to. He had some great responses, but then the whole thing started to get sour. McCain is not an eloquent speaker or fluid debater (i don't expect much for his age TBH) but that last debate just left a bad taste in my mouth.



Some of you can say what you want about why Powell did what he did, but personally understand exactly how he feels when he says the Republican party is not the party he remembers.


the people in charge now have been invaded by greed, and special interests, and seem less interested in working for us.


If the 3rd parties weren't filled with so many crackpots I would consider them, but they are so I won't.



TBH I just don't see much of a difference between the Leading republicans of our own party now a days and any other centrist. No they aren't socialists like Obama, but they sure aren't Conservatives.



I've also not posted here in awhile, because there just really hasn't been much worth cheering about these days. Maybe others can "stomach it" and just vote party line. But myself. I'll vote Republican for the local state/house reps that I know and have proven themselves to me over the years (or want to by their stances), but I can't vote for someone who has prided themselves on the fact that they were independant until the last hour and our now mudraking for votes.

bluemeenie
10-20-2008, 11:19 AM
and for the new people...post count 7 doesn't reflect my time here.



lost my post count when they switched over. :(

Odysseus
10-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Is there really someone here complaining that a politician might cut things to save money?
Any politician that would actually seriously incorporate that kind of policy into their platform would have my vote in a heartbeat.
Cutting funding to the fire department because you're ideologically in favor of burning the country down isn't responsible. Besides, we've taken cuts from 1989 through 2001, and it's only during the last decade that the military has been funded at the levels needed to accomplish the most basic missions, but even that is a stopgap. Liberals love to believe that if they just make nice, there won't be any more wars, but the fact is that there are some people for whom war is the only option, whether it's the petty thug who joins the jihad because it gives him validation and legitimizes his conduct (Abu Musab Al Zarqawi was one of many), the bigot who seeks to ethnically cleanse his neighbors (and help himself to their house, goods and women), the fanatic who sees no future unless it conforms to his vision and his alone, or the petty warlords who impose their will through violence and find peace to be a poor substitute for absolute power. These are the challenges of the next century, and if our answer is not a quick, nimble and powerful military, then our future will be in the hands of our enemies.

The endorsement of Powell does not surprise me. The only reason I heard him give today for endorsing Obama is because he is concerned about supreme court nominees. I'm sure he gave other reasons later on, but that's the one I heard.
We all love a candidate who goes back on their word. :rolleyes: With all the money Obama is spending and raising, he still hasn't closed the deal with voters. The polls don't mean crap...the race is tight and Obama is still campaigning hard.
He just regurgitated the DNC talking points. There was absolutely nothing new there.

Is Kos still calling Powell "Uncle Tom"?
Not when he's endorsed their messiah. Blacks are only authentically black when they endorse Democrats, don't you know?

So to preserve government hands outs and other pork projects we have to cut benefits to people who put their lives on the line for this country?
I want spending cut, but not the spending that protects the country, nor the spending on those who risked it all for the country. Lets start cutting welfare and other hand out programs.
Paladin0
Not to mention all of those other areas where there is no constitutional mandate for federal intervention. I'm apalled that a party that just spent $700 billion on a bailout of a problem that they created would have the gall to demand cuts in defense to pay for them. That's like a bank robber demanding that his take from his last heist be deducted from the salaries of the police.

knowing this will probably get me flamed, but I probably wont be voting at all, because of the last debate and how overtly negative it got.
I've also not posted here in awhile, because there just really hasn't been much worth cheering about these days. Maybe others can "stomach it" and just vote party line. But myself. I'll vote Republican for the local state/house reps that I know and have proven themselves to me over the years (or want to by their stances), but I can't vote for someone who has prided themselves on the fact that they were independant until the last hour and our now mudraking for votes.
If anyone here is satisfied with the way that Republicans have governed for the past decade, you'd surprise me. However, there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils, and a moderate Republican who, however much I disagree with him on major issues, still has an iron honor code and a genuine desire to serve his country is still a better choice than a corrupt rookie who will use his first two years to tilt the playing field so that his party never loses power again. Once the Democrats have restored the "Fairness Doctrine" and Cardcheck, they will be able to silence their opponents and allow their thugs to run free. We're not voting for a tepid conservatism, but against a vicious fascism.

Constitutionally Speaking
10-20-2008, 12:50 PM
If anyone here is satisfied with the way that Republicans have governed for the past decade, you'd surprise me. However, there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils, and a moderate Republican who, however much I disagree with him on major issues, still has an iron honor code and a genuine desire to serve his country is still a better choice than a corrupt rookie who will use his first two years to tilt the playing field so that his party never loses power again. Once the Democrats have restored the "Fairness Doctrine" and Cardcheck, they will be able to silence their opponents and allow their thugs to run free. We're not voting for a tepid conservatism, but against a vicious fascism.


Exactly my sentiments.

GrumpyOldLady
10-20-2008, 12:51 PM
Powell – race is the major factor for support of Obama. (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/powell_obama_mccain/2008/10/19/141960.html)


On “Meet the Press” Sunday, Powell’s explanation for his backing of Obama made clear that he thought Obama’s race was a major factor for his support, but not the only one.

Powell crossed party lines once before. In 1994 to support L. Douglas Wilder for governor of Virginia. Yes, a black man.

Obama rewards Powell with an advisor position on his staff – Politics as usual. (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-make-powell-adviser-administration/)

wilbur
10-20-2008, 12:55 PM
Colin Powell... the man with arrows in his front, as well as his back.

wilbur
10-20-2008, 12:59 PM
On “Meet the Press” Sunday, Powell’s explanation for his backing of Obama made clear that he thought Obama’s race was a major factor for his support, but not the only one.


It really looks like someone was trying hard to make this sentence look like Powell claimed that race was a major factor in his decision to support Obama, but without actually doing it... and perhaps opening themselves up for libel.

linda22003
10-20-2008, 01:04 PM
Powell – race is the major factor for support of Obama. (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/powell_obama_mccain/2008/10/19/141960.html)


That might be what Newsmax thinks. I actually watched Powell make his statement on Meet the Press, so what do I know? :rolleyes:

linda22003
10-20-2008, 01:17 PM
Powell crossed party lines once before. In 1994 to support L. Douglas Wilder for governor of Virginia. Yes, a black man.



Not possible. Wilder had already been governor from 1990-1994, and Virginia doesn't allow a second term for the governor's office.

LibraryLady
10-20-2008, 01:23 PM
I think he made the donation to Wilder for the Dem primary, not gov's race

POWELL, COLIN L
MCLEAN, VA 22101
RETIRED WILDER, LAWRENCE DOUGLAS (IND)
Senate - VA
DOUG WILDER FOR U S SENATE Lost $1,000
general 07/09/94

cat714
10-20-2008, 02:43 PM
If anyone here is satisfied with the way that Republicans have governed for the past decade, you'd surprise me. However, there is such a thing as the lesser of two evils, and a moderate Republican who, however much I disagree with him on major issues, still has an iron honor code and a genuine desire to serve his country is still a better choice than a corrupt rookie who will use his first two years to tilt the playing field so that his party never loses power again. Once the Democrats have restored the "Fairness Doctrine" and Cardcheck, they will be able to silence their opponents and allow their thugs to run free. We're not voting for a tepid conservatism, but against a vicious fascism.

You hit it right on the head. I like and respect McCain, but I was lukewarm towards him compared to all the other republican candidates. However, I don't have any reservations supporting him over Obama. Obama is a bad cat and he is bad for America.



knowing this will probably get me flamed, but I probably wont be voting at all, because of the last debate and how overtly negative it got.

I don't think you should do that even if you don't support either candidate. You could vote for another party or write-in your own, but it's your choice to stay home. It's what the liberals want anyways.

PS - If you don't vote, you can't bitch. :D

Eyelids
10-20-2008, 03:03 PM
I don't think you should do that even if you don't support either candidate. You could vote for another party or write-in your own, but it's your choice to stay home. It's what the liberals want anyways.

cat's right in that I'd much rather you stay home, but remember this. The least important vote you'll make this year is the one for President, you will be statistically insignificant in the presidential election no matter what state you are in. But in the much smaller races further down the ballot your vote really does matter, so think twice before you stay home this year because the presidential candidates sicken you.

Hell, write in Micheal Jordan or Joe Montana for POTUSA and focus on the races where your vote actually counts.

Lager
10-20-2008, 03:07 PM
Hey, I think you may have a future in public service announcements!

Odysseus
10-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Colin Powell... the man with arrows in his front, as well as his back.
Only one arrow, but that's because he's a weathervane.

It really looks like someone was trying hard to make this sentence look like Powell claimed that race was a major factor in his decision to support Obama, but without actually doing it... and perhaps opening themselves up for libel.
Yeah, only the mainstream media is allowed to libel people. The nerve!

Odysseus
10-20-2008, 03:16 PM
Hell, write in Micheal Jordan or Joe Montana for POTUSA and focus on the races where your vote actually counts.

Didn't ACORN already register them?

LogansPapa
10-20-2008, 03:21 PM
Only one arrow, but that's because he's a weathervane.

That's a very low thing to say. :cool:

Ree
10-20-2008, 03:29 PM
That's a very low thing to say. :cool:
Truth hurt?

Odysseus
10-20-2008, 03:33 PM
That's a very low thing to say. :cool:

Hate to burst your bubble, but Colin Powell's political career has been pretty much a string of opportunistic moves. He's always taken the middle ground, but been willing to hop onto any winning theme after it's been validated, especially at the State Dept. Instead of cleaning out the hacks who'd undermined American policies for decades, especially at the CIA, he fell into their culture of leaks and deliberate sabotage of policies that they didn't like from the elected leaders. I expected more than that from a Soldier.

Eyelids
10-20-2008, 03:42 PM
Didn't ACORN already register them?

They probably registered themselves...

LogansPapa
10-20-2008, 03:44 PM
I expected more than that from a Soldier.

We expected more of you, Major.:(

lacarnut
10-20-2008, 03:55 PM
We expected more of you, Major.:(

You just can not handle the truth because Powell for the most part has been a middle of the road desk jocky. Most of his promotions at the upper levels were given by Repub. Presidents. I don't have a problem with his endorsement of Obama but to come out and trash the Repub. party is low class in my opinion.

LogansPapa
10-20-2008, 03:59 PM
I don't have a problem with his endorsement of Obama but to come out and trash the Repub. party is low class in my opinion.

So like the time of his service to the current president - he should have kept his mouth shut regarding his feelings that even his own party may have gone too far? Or don't you see it as such? Just blow off that whole 'to be silent is to condone' thing, eh? :rolleyes:

lacarnut
10-20-2008, 04:18 PM
So like the time of his service to the current president - he should have kept his mouth shut regarding his feelings that even his own party may have gone too far? Or don't you see it as such? Just blow off that whole 'to be silent is to condone' thing, eh? :rolleyes:

My God you are stupid. He was given a great honor by being chosen to the Prez cabinet and did voice his opinion when he served the President. To come out years later and bash the Repub. party is rather trashy. Why did he wait so long? You don't think race or his support of Obama had anything to do with it after he donated to McCain's earlier campaigns?. FYI, J C Watts did voice his displeasure with the Repub party shortly after he left office. I put Dick Morris in the same category with Powell;.both are opportunist turncoats.

Obama just announced that Powell would have a spot in his Admin. No shit. This turkey is going to sell the military down the river for a job. Can we say Pro Quid Pro ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???

bluemeenie
10-20-2008, 04:58 PM
Why did he wait so long?



Maybe he didn't wait so long....maybe like me, he wasn't completely to that tipping point and something (like that third debate) was the straw the broke the camels back.





On the flip side, Logan you are right. I wont stay home, as there are plenty of other local races that I will support, and their is a stem cell initiative on the Michigan ballot that I have to vote no for....can't be having them waste much more of my tax money....:rolleyes:

lacarnut
10-20-2008, 05:27 PM
Maybe he didn't wait so long....maybe like me, he wasn't completely to that tipping point and something (like that third debate) was the straw the broke the camels back.





On the flip side, Logan you are right. I wont stay home, as there are plenty of other local races that I will support, and their is a stem cell initiative on the Michigan ballot that I have to vote no for....can't be having them waste much more of my tax money....:rolleyes:

Bull Shit; he will be working as an advisor to Obama. Pro Quid Pro. Powell was offered a deal and he took it. Plain and simple.

PoliCon
10-20-2008, 11:43 PM
I am NOT reading through this whole thread. I am however going to say that Rush called it right. This is 100% about race. I am VERY dissapointed.

Eyelids
10-21-2008, 12:51 AM
I am NOT reading through this whole thread. I am however going to say that Rush called it right. This is 100% about race. I am VERY dissapointed.

Translation:

Some guy on the radio sounded kinda convincing so without exploring any dissenting opinions I am going to make a totally rash judgment. Good for you, PoliCon... you've been promoted to Lazy Stupid American now. Quite the improvement from just Stupid American.

wilbur
10-21-2008, 07:19 AM
I am NOT reading through this whole thread. I am however going to say that Rush called it right. This is 100% about race. I am VERY dissapointed.

Rush's show wreaked of the typical dishonest opinion shaping and damage control he runs for the republican party. Powell broke rank, made his opinions quite clear, and there is zero credible evidence that his endorsement has to do with race.... so Rush and co trump up a lot of long winded bs, (short on the facts) in order excommunicate him.

His show was a desperate exercise of wishful thinking.

LibraryLady
10-21-2008, 07:24 AM
Colin Powell splits with son over White House race (http://www.thehill.com/leading-the-news/colin-powell-splits-with-son-michael-over-white-house-race-2008-10-20.html)
By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 10/20/08 02:21 PM [ET]


Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, has put him at odds with his own son, former Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Michael Powell.

Michael Powell, who served as a policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, is a surrogate for John McCain and represents the GOP nominee on the campaign trail.

He endorsed McCain early in the Republican primary in January, and said the Arizona senator was the best candidate to “calm the turbulent economic waters and to steer the new economy in a direction that will bring growth, opportunity and prosperity to all Americans.”

Powell contributed $1,000 to McCain the day of the Iowa caucuses and another $1,000 before the Florida primary. In August, he defended McCain, who had said he rarely uses the Internet, as someone who “understands technology very well” from his time as chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Technology.

Powell was not available Monday for comment

Sonnabend
10-21-2008, 07:38 AM
there is zero credible evidence that his endorsement has to do with race..

:rolleyes:

(Oh and thanks for proving you are a liberal.)

wilbur
10-21-2008, 07:53 AM
:rolleyes:

(Oh and thanks for proving you are a liberal.)

If you call a bunch of desperate partisans grasping at tenuous straws evidence, then maybe there is.... however, there isnt anything more than that.

"Party before principle" must be the new republican motto.

LibraryLady
10-21-2008, 07:57 AM
This was a done deal. All that was up in the air was the timing:


Powell, Obama - something big in the works? (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/17/BACU12BBGH.DTL)

Willie Brown

Sunday, August 17, 2008

Here's a prediction: Colin Powell is going to endorse Barack Obama.

I'm not pulling this out of thin air. I'm basing my forecast on a series of phone calls that I received this week. I can't say who called me, but I can tell you one of the questions I was asked:
"What do you think the reaction would be if former Secretary of State Colin Powell - a Republican - introduced Democrat Obama at his big acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium after being made the nominee?"

My reply: "It would seal the deal. It would be the presidency."

I don't think Powell will go to Denver for the Democratic National Convention, but based on the recent conversations, I have to believe that something big is in the works.

This negates much of Powell's explanation. Palin hadn't even been selected yet.

Sonnabend
10-21-2008, 08:11 AM
If you call a bunch of desperate partisans grasping at tenuous straws evidence, then maybe there is.... however, there isnt anything more than that.

Obamas nomination is proof of that.

marinejcksn
10-21-2008, 08:53 AM
You know the more I read and hear about this thing I'm coming on the conclusion that Powell's endorsement was entirely based on race. There's no other explaination that makes logical sense. Think about it:

-He didn't tout Obama's extensive US Senate or State Senate record, because he's largely done nothing but campaign for the next highest position since being elected to either post.

-He said he chose him for his 'rhetorical abilities' and that Senator Obama has ''met the standard of an exceptional President". How has Obama "met the standard" of an "exceptional President''? THE GUY ISN'T PRESIDENT YET, HOW CAN HE MEET THE STANDARD?

-He said "because of his ability to inspire, he's reaching out across America". What does this prove? He's a great speach reader, thats it?

Not once during his Meet the Press interview did Powell list anything substantial about Obama, never listed an accomplishment.

He also hit McCain for the situation with Bill Ayers, saying "they're trying to connect him to terrorism and I think that's inappropriate." Yet if McCain had a close connection to a Neo-Nazi or a Klan member, do you think it would be a big deal? :rolleyes:

Powell showed his true colors on this one. What a joke.

Sonnabend
10-21-2008, 08:56 AM
Not once during his Meet the Press interview did Powell list anything substantial about Obama, never listed an accomplishment.

...because there's nothing to tell.?

marinejcksn
10-21-2008, 09:00 AM
...because there's nothing to tell.?

Now now, he was a Community Organizer. That counts for something, right? :o

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 10:23 AM
...because there's nothing to tell.?

And you actually believe - if Obama becomes the President of the United States - that Gen. Powell won’t be right there at a moment’s notice to advise the new President? You think he wouldn’t be there for Palin, if she ever found herself in the same position and asked for counsel ?

Odysseus
10-21-2008, 11:25 AM
We expected more of you, Major.:(
Sorry to disappoint you, but I've never held that high an opinion of Colin Powell, the politician. As a Soldier, he was no Patton (although few are, but in his generation of officers, that distinction goes to Norman Schwartzkopf, as demonstrated by Desert Storm and Grenada, two operations that GEN Powell opposed), but more of a Mark Clark, someone who played the game well but who wasn't known for his tactical or strategic insights. Nothing wrong with that, since most GOs tend toward that end of the scale, and just getting as far as he did in the army demonstrates that he performed well at each job prior to his tenure as CJS, but that's not the stuff of legendary commanders, either civilian or military.


And you actually believe - if Obama becomes the President of the United States - that Gen. Powell won’t be right there at a moment’s notice to advise the new President? You think he wouldn’t be there for Palin, if she ever found herself in the same position and asked for counsel ?
The difference is that he's clearly paving the way for that job with Obama. Notice that he didn't endorse him when he was trailing McCain, when it might have made a real difference. He's hedged his bet, which is what we've come to expect from the father of the Powell Doctrine. I'm sure that if Sarah Palin asked for his advice after she took office, he'd gladly provide it.

He's always been more ideologically in sync with the Democrats (a cursory examination of his political positions puts him well to the left of the Republican mainstream, especially on affirmative action, abortion and military actions) and he knows that if he is going to advance to the presidency, it will be as a "moderate" African American who can plausibly claim to have served in both parties and with genuine military credentials. What this does is take him out of the category of "Uncle Tom" (which was the Daily Kos' despicable description of him) and put him in the category of "authentic African-American leader" in the eyes of the mainstream media (which, BTW, is the extent to which race played a part, since if he failed to endorse Obama, Powell could never count on the black vote if he ever ran for office). As a calculated political move, it's a no-brainer, but it's hardly a noble gesture.

wilbur
10-21-2008, 11:28 AM
Not once during his Meet the Press interview did Powell list anything substantial about Obama, never listed an accomplishment.


He did, however, mention quite a bit about why he felt uneasy towards McCain.... not the least of which was his judgment in picking a running mate.

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 11:33 AM
He's hedged his bet, which is what we've come to expect from the father of the Powell Doctrine.

Then it makes me wonder where "W's" head was picking Powell in the first place. Well, that and what really made the General leave the White House.;)

bluemeenie
10-21-2008, 11:54 AM
Yet if McCain had a close connection to a Neo-Nazi or a Klan member, do you think it would be a big deal? :rolleyes:

Powell showed his true colors on this one. What a joke.

ummm didn't they already try and do this with that signed committee chair document for that White suprimist group?

Dont remember what it was called, but saw that thing floating around KOS for awhile.

lacarnut
10-21-2008, 12:05 PM
Then it makes me wonder where "W's" head was picking Powell in the first place. Well, that and what really made the General leave the White House.;)

Republicans do stupid ass things when it does come to appointments. Look at several bad S.C. appointments under daddy Bush. Look at appointing Jessie Jackson to the Civil Rights Comm. where he attended 1 meeting in a year and then bashed the Prez. Repubs have bent over backwards to appease blacks. More top jobs for blacks in the Bush Admin. than in Clintons; Clinton is supposedly the first black Prez. You see how well that worked for Hillary. Huh. If race is not an issue, which I agree should not be, I will kiss your ass on third street and give you an hour to draw a crowd. Whites that soft pedal/ and or have this guilt trip around the race issue which sway them into voting for Obama are fools.

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 12:13 PM
If race is not an issue, which I agree should not be, I will kiss your ass on third street and give you an hour to draw a crowd.

October's best line yet!:p:D:p:D

Kristin
10-21-2008, 01:45 PM
Do you think there's anyone left out there who's opinion will be changed by Powell's decision?

I think you're absolutely right. When Powell went to work for the Bush administration, he was called terrible things by the left. Now his endorsement is oh so important. I just don't get it. I guess now that he supports their views, he's an okay guy.

wilbur
10-21-2008, 02:29 PM
I think you're absolutely right. When Powell went to work for the Bush administration, he was called terrible things by the left. Now his endorsement is oh so important. I just don't get it. I guess now that he supports their views, he's an okay guy.

Of course, the this is the mirror image situation with the republicans right now... Powell used to be an honorable, stand-up guy.... now they can't smear him fast or hard enough.

Odysseus
10-21-2008, 02:33 PM
Then it makes me wonder where "W's" head was picking Powell in the first place. Well, that and what really made the General leave the White House.;)
He thought that he was picking someone who had worked for his father, who had the approval of all of the pundits, and who would carry out the instructions of the President of the United States. As for what made him leave the White House, I suspect that a lot of it had to do with the sheer volume of bad press that was flung at the administration and his desire to keep his options open. Powell is very happy to associate himself with a winning team, but is perfectly willing to engage his exit strategy when things don't go his way.

Odysseus
10-21-2008, 02:36 PM
I think you're absolutely right. When Powell went to work for the Bush administration, he was called terrible things by the left. Now his endorsement is oh so important. I just don't get it. I guess now that he supports their views, he's an okay guy.

Of course, the this is the mirror image situation with the republicans right now... Powell used to be an honorable, stand-up guy.... now they can't smear him fast or hard enough.
And, of course, the truth is somewhere in between, meaning that Powell was a competent, if not stellar, general officer, but always something of an opportunist, and had a Democratic administration offered him the same position, he'd have taken it in a heartbeat, just as he jumped ship as soon as he perceived things to be going south.

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 02:45 PM
As for what made him leave the White House, I suspect that a lot of it had to do with the sheer volume of bad press that was flung at the administration and his desire to keep his options open.

I have a feeling that being called home from Kyoto started it. "W's" boot marks on the back of his skull and all.

Molon Labe
10-21-2008, 02:55 PM
I have a feeling that being called home from Kyoto started it. "W's" boot marks on the back of his skull and all.

I still believe Powell saw this administration had no clue...especially after it hung him out in the wind at the UN with the WMD malarky.

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 03:01 PM
Maybe. But I see the total disrespect by Bush’s staff way prior to that time. "W" lives for complete ass-kissers (reference Condi for the gold standard there) and Powell had his own opinions (reference not going into Baghdad in Bush41’s war).

Rebel Yell
10-21-2008, 03:03 PM
Of course, the this is the mirror image situation with the republicans right now... Powell used to be an honorable, stand-up guy.... now they can't smear him fast or hard enough.

Actually, it don't change my opinion of Obama or Powell in the least. They are both the same men they were this time last month.

Odysseus
10-21-2008, 04:17 PM
I still believe Powell saw this administration had no clue...especially after it hung him out in the wind at the UN with the WMD malarky.
No, he saw that it had no future. The bad press was taking hold and the public's confidence was dropping. He saw an exit strategy and took it.

Maybe. But I see the total disrespect by Bush’s staff way prior to that time. "W" lives for complete ass-kissers (reference Condi for the gold standard there) and Powell had his own opinions (reference not going into Baghdad in Bush41’s war).
Did it ever occur to you that it went both ways? That using the press to dispatch your opponents and undermine your boss' policies through leaking isn't exactly an honorable way to do your job?

Actually, it don't change my opinion of Obama or Powell in the least. They are both the same men they were this time last month.
Exactly. It's the left that's suddenly finding itself full of praise for someone that they used to dismiss with the vilest of racial terms.

Rebel Yell
10-21-2008, 04:21 PM
Exactly. It's the left that's suddenly finding itself full of praise for someone that they used to dismiss with the vilest of racial terms.

I've always looked at Powell as a very qualified independent.

LogansPapa
10-21-2008, 04:27 PM
Did it ever occur to you that it went both ways? That using the press to dispatch your opponents and undermine your boss' policies through leaking isn't exactly an honorable way to do your job?

Nice claim - any proof?

Odysseus
10-21-2008, 06:31 PM
Nice claim - any proof?

Of course. The most obvious example of a State Dept. leak that caused the administration grief was the Valerie Plame affair. Mind you, Plame was not an operative and the leak to Michael Novak did no damage to national security, but Democrats (who had no problem with leaks that really did compromise national security, such as the NSA intercept program or the SWIFT program that tracked terrorists' financial transactions) seized on it as an opportunity to drag the administration through all manner of grief. At that time, President Bush had ordered all executive branch employees to cooperate with the probes, but not all did. We now know that Richard Armitage was the source of the leak, but what most people don't realize is that Armitage worked for Powell, and that he had informed Powell of the leak in October 2003. Powell not only knew who the source for the leak was, but kept it to himself as Scooter Libby was dragged through the courts.

Molon Labe
10-21-2008, 06:47 PM
No, he saw that it had no future. The bad press was taking hold and the public's confidence was dropping. He saw an exit strategy and took it.

And did it ever occur to you that you tend to see peoples motivations as one of only what's in it politically for them. It's like you believe that every choice is based on something out of Michael Lerner's politics of meaning crap.
Contrary to your statement, there are some that still base decisions on principles. I know from what Powell has confided that he felt completely betrayed as a pony boy during the lead up to the war with Iraq. When what we were looking for turned out completely different from what was found, he was the one that looked the ass.
I'll bet Powell's decision to endorse Obama has more to do with what I said than a decison to hedge his bets for a political future. You don't see him out on the lecture trail trying to sell you his political virtues. He's a pretty benign individual politically since leaving the administration compared to most political hound dogs.

LogansPapa
10-22-2008, 10:15 AM
Of course.

Quite coherent and well thought out opinion. Again - any proof / links for this perspective? :confused:

Odysseus
10-22-2008, 04:07 PM
And did it ever occur to you that you tend to see peoples motivations as one of only what's in it politically for them. It's like you believe that every choice is based on something out of Michael Lerner's politics of meaning crap.
Contrary to your statement, there are some that still base decisions on principles. I know from what Powell has confided that he felt completely betrayed as a pony boy during the lead up to the war with Iraq. When what we were looking for turned out completely different from what was found, he was the one that looked the ass.
I'll bet Powell's decision to endorse Obama has more to do with what I said than a decison to hedge his bets for a political future. You don't see him out on the lecture trail trying to sell you his political virtues. He's a pretty benign individual politically since leaving the administration compared to most political hound dogs.
No, Michael Lerner is just liberal pap. I prefer Nicolo Machiavelli, who understood people a lot better than most modern commentators.
People usually act out of what they perceive their interests to be, and then come up with justifications for their actions. In the case of my assessment of Powell, I'm looking at a career spent using the media through leaking (which, BTW, is SOP for Washington types, as it's a great way to cut the legs out from under an oppontent without getting splashed with the blood). As for jumping to the winning side, this isn't anything new for him, and it was expected in a lot of quarters. If he'd really believed that Obama was the better candidate, he'd have found a way to articulate it in terms of his own experiences and background. Instead, Powell's endorsement of Obama is a litany of DNC talking points, without any embellishment by him. That tells me that he was working from the campaign's script.


Quite coherent and well thought out opinion. Again - any proof / links for this perspective? :confused:

Well, the fact that Armitage was Powell's subordinate is easy enough to check out, it's part of his Wikipedia bio, as are the facts of his having leaked Plame's name to Novak. He also tendered his resignation the day after Powell submitted his, which shows that he followed Powell out the door. As for Powell's knowledge of the leak, that was confirmed by several sources, who claimed that he had been told by Armitage in 2003 that he was the source, the most prominent being the book, Hubris, by David Corn and Michael Isikoff. Any other questions?

LogansPapa
10-22-2008, 04:12 PM
As for Powell's knowledge of the leak, that was confirmed by several sources, who claimed that he had been told by Armitage in 2003 that he was the source, the most prominent being the book, Hubris, by David Corn and Michael Isikoff. Any other questions?

Ah, a book. :rolleyes: Like one written by one of "W’s" formerly loyal Press Secretaries? Weak - at best.

lacarnut
10-22-2008, 04:29 PM
Ah, a book. :rolleyes: Like one written by one of "W’s" formerly loyal Press Secretaries? Weak - at best.

Wrong because David Corn is a liberal journalist and co-authored this book. Try again. You missed Sherlock.

Odysseus
10-22-2008, 06:02 PM
Ah, a book. :rolleyes: Like one written by one of "W’s" formerly loyal Press Secretaries? Weak - at best.

The book was one of several sources, but okay, if you insist:


Newsweek:
The next day, a team of FBI agents and Justice prosecutors investigating the leak questioned the deputy secretary. Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson's wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA... [William Howard Taft IV, the State Department's legal adviser] felt obligated to inform White House counsel Alberto Gonzales. But Powell and his aides feared the White House would then leak that Armitage had been Novak's source — possibly to embarrass State Department officials who had been unenthusiastic about Bush's Iraq policy. So Taft told Gonzales the bare minimum: that the State Department had passed some information about the case to Justice. He didn't mention Armitage. Taft asked if Gonzales wanted to know the details. The president's lawyer, playing the case by the book, said no, and Taft told him nothing more. Armitage's role thus remained that rarest of Washington phenomena: a hot secret that never leaked.

BTW, I love how Newsweek excuses Powell's protecting his subornate, who leaked the information in the first place, by saying that he was afraid of a leak! Gotta love that MSM.:rolleyes: Meanwhile, you have the State Department withholding critical information from the Justice Department, in violation of a Presidential order. Need any more corroboration?

Oh, and will you be this skeptical when Powell is appointed to a cabinet post by Obama and we argue that a deal was done?

Odysseus
10-22-2008, 06:03 PM
Wrong because David Corn is a liberal journalist and co-authored this book. Try again. You missed Sherlock.

Calling Corn a liberal is like calling Lenin a moderate. Corn is about as far left as you can get in journalism, and that's saying a lot.

LogansPapa
10-22-2008, 06:04 PM
Oh, and will you be this skeptical when Powell is appointed to a cabinet post by Obama and we argue that a deal was done?

Oh, you missed 'Meet the Press' last Sunday? :p

Odysseus
10-22-2008, 08:01 PM
Oh, you missed 'Meet the Press' last Sunday? :p

And pretty much every Sunday before that.

marinejcksn
10-23-2008, 02:09 AM
He did, however, mention quite a bit about why he felt uneasy towards McCain.... not the least of which was his judgment in picking a running mate.

I still think that arguement is retarded....Palin is green but she's a much better pick then Biden. Biden's the dumbest man in the US Senate without question, yet the msm questions mccain for his age all the time....Biden sounds like he's senile with all his gaffes. :rolleyes:

Odysseus
10-23-2008, 09:35 AM
I still think that arguement is retarded....Palin is green but she's a much better pick then Biden. Biden's the dumbest man in the US Senate without question, yet the msm questions mccain for his age all the time....Biden sounds like he's senile with all his gaffes. :rolleyes:

That's typical. Al Gore made some gaffes that would have gotten him crucified by the media if he'd been a Republican. Similarly, Biden is a walking gaffe machine, and yet the media attacks Palin's intelligence because Katie Couric ambushed her. It's such an obvious double standard that I'm amazed that anyone takes the media seriously.

Cold Warrior
10-23-2008, 09:39 AM
That's typical. Al Gore made some gaffes that would have gotten him crucified by the media if he'd been a Republican. Similarly, Biden is a walking gaffe machine, and yet the media attacks Palin's intelligence because Katie Couric ambushed her. It's such an obvious double standard that I'm amazed that anyone takes the media seriously.

I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Couric "ambushed her." Shouldn't she know about (or have at least anticipated and therefore had an answer) to actually very neutral questions regarding the economy and supreme court. I know people here talk about Couric's body language, etc., but the actual questions were fair and should have been ancipated and were simply answered horribly.

marinejcksn
10-23-2008, 09:59 AM
See I'm confused because I just recently saw the interview with Katie Couric and it didn't appear to be "brutal". Katie was ice cold throughout the whole thing, whereas she was an entirely different person to Biden and I still feel Palin didn't bomb. It certainly wasn't a great interview, but not terrible.

BTW, did you see the interview with Charlie Gibson? She ate his lunch, and Gibson was a pretentous prick the whole time.

And Obama is such a hack. The whole focus has been smashing on Palin since she was announced, she's not running for f*cking president, McCain is. Nobody at all picks on Biden and the guy is a pathalogical liar who gets caught all the time! He lied about his school, he said he was almost shot at, his helocopter was "forced" down because of Al Qaeda (really a snowstorm)......there's a field day of material on Biden to talk about. Yet we're still hearing about Palin's knocked up daughter....:rolleyes: