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Articulate_Ape
02-27-2015, 07:42 AM
I mean really. Only about 18-20% of Americans identify as leaning Liberal with some 65% or more identifying as leaning conservative. My numbers could be off a little, but not a lot. When you consider these numbers you have to ask how America got this fucked up. The answer is that Joe McCarthy was right. He was a moron in his approach to the problem, but the problem was more real than even he knew.

The way a minority controls a majority is by controlling the schools. This is why Liberals wanted the Federal Dept. of Education and conservatives gave it to them. One institution after another the Right has made little effort to man these posts all the while Liberals were taking the teaching jobs, when elected they packed the bureaucracy with their ilk and appointed judges and made a concerted effort to control the message.

Conservatives did nothing of the sort and here we are. It's like I say these days, we lost the Cold War and didn't even know it.

That's how I think we got here and the way we are going to get out of it is by doing the same thing. Make a concerted effort to force Liberals out of positions of influence and power. We have already made great gains in state and local governments. They are getting redder all the time, but we need to be pressuring Hollywood by boycotting certain stars who open their pie holes with some Lib dumbfuckery. We need to make being conservative cool and Liberal not cool.

We have been losing the PR battle with the Liberals. We have to start winning. Most important is our schools. We have GOT to break the Liberal monopoly on our schools and universities. As long as they are indoctrinating the kids, we are never going to defeat Liberalism.

That's what I think about what has happened and what we should do about it. I fear it may be too late though.

What do you think happened and what do you think should be done to fix it?

Rockntractor
02-27-2015, 09:40 AM
It started with progressives and Teddy Roosevelt .Predating that a behemoth government that started after the civil war along with the beginning of the first entitlement programs. Then there is my big bong theory .

noonwitch
02-27-2015, 09:57 AM
Your number of 18-20% who call themselves liberal is pretty accurate. I don't think 65% of Americans consider themselves conservative, though. It's more like 30-35%. Everyone else is pretty much in the middle. That's who decide the elections and that is who many candidates cater to in their campaigns-Bill Clinton is a good example of a left-leaning candidate who appealed to the center to get in office.

I'm a liberal, and I'm kind of surprised that Obama has been elected twice, because he didn't play the game and campaign as a moderate, he campaigned as a liberal.

Rockntractor
02-27-2015, 10:05 AM
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth,
but most of them pick themselves up,
and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
…Winston Churchill

Dori
02-27-2015, 02:34 PM
What do you think happened and what do you think should be done to fix it?

I think you hit the nail on the head as to what has happened.

As to how it happened;

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Why Republicans haven't done more to circumvent that is beyond me. I realized it decades ago, and really didn't follow politics at the time.

How to fix it?

If it's even possible at this late date, first people have to recognized it. It starts with family and raising children away from the liberal mind bent. If at all possible, don't put them in government schools. Be politically active at the local level.

linda22003
02-27-2015, 04:47 PM
Your number of 18-20% who call themselves liberal is pretty accurate. I don't think 65% of Americans consider themselves conservative, though. It's more like 30-35%.

And really, what do the terms even mean? I want fiscal responsibility, but I want government to stay out of people's private business as much as possible. That sure sounds conservative, but on social issues apparently it's not.

Articulate_Ape
02-27-2015, 05:47 PM
Your number of 18-20% who call themselves liberal is pretty accurate. I don't think 65% of Americans consider themselves conservative, though. It's more like 30-35%. Everyone else is pretty much in the middle. That's who decide the elections and that is who many candidates cater to in their campaigns-Bill Clinton is a good example of a left-leaning candidate who appealed to the center to get in office.

I'm a liberal, and I'm kind of surprised that Obama has been elected twice, because he didn't play the game and campaign as a moderate, he campaigned as a liberal.
That is the myth; that there is some moderate middle who decides elections. Nonsense. The 65% number was LEANS conservative and I am pretty sure it's close. Pollsters claim America is more conservative than Liberal and my sense from talking to people is that's true. The 35% number you refer to are solid conservative, but you have another 30% learners. So, given that dynamic, it seems odd that we have such an unbalance in our direction as a nation versus our majority worldview.

I think the "undecided" who decide elections are the imbeciles in our midst who know the cast members of Survivor: Madagascar but can't name even one member of the Supreme Court.

The schools was where the battle for America was fought and list as communists gravitated to academia because it involved so little real work. Next thing you know we have nicely molded and programmed little minions happy to follow the crowds of like zombies.

Like other ], America got complacent and lazy. After America's Greatest Generation ridded the Earth of the scourges of Nazi fascism and Soviet Communism, her worst generation was enticed away from God and toward the arrogance fostered by creature comforts.

Between Conservatives tolerating inaction from their GOP representatives to too many Conservatives being one issue voters we have behaved like a musclebound mastiff being tormented by the yappy little chiwawa. It's the classic case of the tale wagging the dog.

Articulate_Ape
02-27-2015, 06:03 PM
I believe most Americans are fiscal and military conservatives, but are social liberals. I know that's what I am. While I certainly have an opinion on social matters, those issues are so low on my list of priorities for fixing the several very serious issues facing thus nation.

There is an old Scottish poem that is a good metaphor for the real state of the Union. It goes like this:

MacTavish is dead and his brother don't know it. And his brother is dead and MacTavish don't know it.

They both are dead and they're in the same bed, but neither one knows that the other is dead.

When we realize that the vast majority agree on the important things, like the things Obola is trying to destroy, that would be when this madness would be brought to an end.

Alas, I really fear that it's too late, that we have passed the point of no return. I hope for our kids' sake I'm wrong.

Articulate_Ape
02-27-2015, 06:19 PM
Articulate Ape: Hitting the nail on the head since he found out which end was the head, halfway through building his first house.

Retread
02-27-2015, 10:49 PM
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txradioguy
02-28-2015, 12:03 PM
How in the hell did we get here?

We voted for it.

Not you and me per se...but I think you know what I mean.

Until the silent majority of people that identify as conservative stand up and say "Not another damn Moderate"...the "experts" will continue to tell us the only way we can win is to elect a Dole...or a Romney or a McCain or a Bush.

As long as we let the media and the left dictate who we run as our candidate we'll continue to slide closer and closer to despotism.

We know how to elect a Conservative as President...we know how to elect them when the "experts" say he has no chance to win.

It just takes a moral courage that our side doesn't seem to collectivly poesses right now.