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megimoo
10-22-2008, 08:23 PM
Atheist buses ready to roll across country after making 31,000 in a day

Atheist adverts declaring "there's probably no God" could be placed on buses across the country after a fundraising drive made five times the target amount in just one day.

Even religious groups donated money to the cause in the belief that the campaign, highlighted in The Daily Telegraph, would encourage people to think more about faith and could actually enhance support for Christianity.

Organisers needed to raise just 2,750 from supporters in order to pay for adverts doubting the existence of God to be plastered across 30 London bendy-buses for a month, after the prominent atheist Professor Richard Dawkins agreed to match all donations. Previous attempts to raise the money had failed.

But the 5,500 target was met within minutes of a page being launched on the fundraising website Justgiving on Tuesday, and after a few hours more than 31,000 had been given to the Atheist Bus Campaign over five times the amount required.

Now there are plans to get the message "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" put on buses across Britain as well as on Tube trains in the capital.

The campaign was launched after Ariane Sherine, a comedy writer, called for a "reassuring counter-advert" to religious posters on public transport that atheists believe "threaten passengers with eternal damnation".

She said: "This is absolutely brilliant and I'd like to thank everyone who donated for their support. The sky's the limit for atheists even if we don't believe there's anyone up there."

Hanne Stinson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, which is handling the donations, added: "If the money keeps pouring in we can expand the campaign, not just to ads inside the buses as well as outside, but to ads on the Tube or other transport, and in locations outside London."

One of the more unlikely donors was the religious think tank Theos, which was set up two years ago with the support of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor.

Theos gave 50 to the cause as it believes the "weak" adverts will encourage people to think about God.

Its director, Paul Woolley, said: "Initially, we almost felt sorry for the campaign, as its difficulties showed that there were not many atheists in Britain, and certainly not many who were willing to put their hands into their pockets. But when we saw the message, we couldn't believe it. snip
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3236701/Atheist-buses-ready-to-roll-across-country-after-making-31000-in-a-day.html
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wilbur
10-22-2008, 10:40 PM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/10/20/atheistbus.jpg

Once again, I am lamenting the lack of the applause emoticon ;)

BadCat
10-22-2008, 10:46 PM
You aren't an atheist if you say "probably".

Shannon
10-22-2008, 10:48 PM
Some posters are so predictable. Any mention of the word "atheist" and Wilbur comes running.

wilbur
10-22-2008, 10:51 PM
Some posters are so predictable. Any mention of the word "atheist" and Wilbur comes running.

Hey, I rarely start threads around here... just commenting on other people's threads... what's that say about what is on their mind?

wilbur
10-22-2008, 10:56 PM
You aren't an atheist if you say "probably".

Not really... that's called "weak" atheism. Generally, atheists who feel strongly about rationalism and reason fall into this camp.

Making absolutist statements about the non-existence of god is just as irrational as believing that there absolutely is a god. Atheists who believe that are generally referred to as "strong" atheists.

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/strong_weak.htm

Constitutionally Speaking
10-23-2008, 07:12 AM
Not really... that's called "weak" atheism. Generally, atheists who feel strongly about rationalism and reason fall into this camp.

Making absolutist statements about the non-existence of god is just as irrational as believing that there absolutely is a god. Atheists who believe that are generally referred to as "strong" atheists.

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/strong_weak.htm


Atheism requires more faith than religion.

FlaGator
10-23-2008, 07:48 AM
Anyone seen this bus?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/atheistbus2.jpg

wilbur
10-23-2008, 08:04 AM
Atheism requires more faith than religion.

I suppose you think this is the case, because.... well an atheist must believe this all sprang from nothing, etc etc... being married to naturalistic causes for all things requires faith? Something along those lines? Just keep in mind, any question like that, that you can pose towards the universe, one can pose towards God (ie, where did he come from). In other words, an explanation is just made up, and then claimed as a certainty.

Most atheists will not claim certainty where we have none. They generally do not except alleged divine revelations as explanations for those gaps in certainty. I am perfectly content to say we do not know the answers to many questions... and do not think the god-explanation makes them any more resolved. That's not faith at all... that's skepticism.

wilbur
10-23-2008, 08:06 AM
Anyone seen this bus?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/atheistbus2.jpg

Should read:

"There's probably no God. But if there is, and he is the (all benevolent, loving Christian God) then we are all screwed.... wait.... what!? That can't be right.. hmm."

FlaGator
10-23-2008, 08:34 AM
Should read:

"There's probably no God. But if there is, and he is the (all benevolent, loving Christian God) then we are all screwed.... wait.... what!? That can't be right.. hmm."

Unfortuately you can't have it both ways. To quote C.S. Lewis "There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who say to God, 'thy will be done' and those to whom God says 'Thy will be done'". God loves you enough to give you what you ask for.

megimoo
10-23-2008, 08:51 AM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/10/20/atheistbus.jpg

Once again, I am lamenting the lack of the applause emoticon ;)I posted it just for you willie !

wilbur
10-23-2008, 11:26 AM
Unfortuately you can't have it both ways. To quote C.S. Lewis "There are two kinds of people in the world. Those who say to God, 'thy will be done' and those to whom God says 'Thy will be done'". God loves you enough to give you what you ask for.

And then there are those who are truly benevolent, and there are those who claim to be... because they offer you a deal "you can't refuse" (ala Godfather).

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 05:35 PM
Some posters are so predictable. Any mention of the word "atheist" and Wilbur comes running.

As opposed to the word "succubus", bringing Shannon swooping down from the rafters.

(South Park reference / a succubus: a demoness sent from Hell to suck the life out of men.)

:D

FlaGator
10-23-2008, 09:22 PM
And then there are those who are truly benevolent, and there are those who claim to be... because they offer you a deal "you can't refuse" (ala Godfather).

I don't believe that God offers deals.

anarkocaptalst
10-24-2008, 02:31 AM
Atheism requires more faith than religion.

Not exactly.

FlaGator
10-24-2008, 08:34 AM
Not exactly.

Sure it does. I look at the evidence in nature for the existence of a Creator and I think that an atheist must have more faith than me if he or she can ignore the clues and not entertain the idea of the reality of God.

JB
10-24-2008, 05:17 PM
Once again, I am lamenting the lack of the applause emoticon ;)I'm sure they're in abundance at wilburunderground.com

marinejcksn
10-25-2008, 06:22 AM
Why do Atheists have to be such self-righteous pricks? Seriously; if you don't believe in God, that's cool I respect that. But why do you feel the need to crap all over those who do? I believe in God, but I keep it to myself and I'd never shove my beliefs upon anyone else. So what the Hell harm am I causing? I'm so f*cking sick of these pompous, arrogant douchebags like Richard Dawkins and his ilk trying to seem superior because they're atheist. You don't have the answers to life any more then religious people do, so get over yourself. :rolleyes:

marinejcksn
10-25-2008, 06:29 AM
As opposed to the word "succubus", bringing Shannon swooping down from the rafters.

(South Park reference / a succubus: a demoness sent from Hell to suck the life out of men.)

:D

Night the through on hold can we if, after morning a be to got There's. :D

"Read the chart for me"


"I
Am
A
Little
Piggie"

wilbur
10-25-2008, 10:23 AM
Why do Atheists have to be such self-righteous pricks?

I was walking downtown yesterday, and there's a dude on the street corner ranting to a crowd gathered around him yelling about fire and brimstone and everlasting punishment unless you believe what he does. A little turn-about on the part of atheism in recent times is long long overdue. The self-righteousness of religion is institutionalized to the extent no one even notices just how self-righteous it is anymore. Even the somewhat pompous attitude that emanates from Dawkins cannot compare.



Seriously; if you don't believe in God, that's cool I respect that. But why do you feel the need to crap all over those who do? I believe in God, but I keep it to myself and I'd never shove my beliefs upon anyone else. So what the Hell harm am I causing? I'm so f*cking sick of these pompous, arrogant douchebags like Richard Dawkins and his ilk trying to seem superior because they're atheist.

I can drive around town and probably run into at least a dozen or more religious advertisements on billboards, and everywhere else. Hell, they even beam the crazyness over the airwaves into my home on my TV, on the radio. A group of atheists get one little meager advert on a bus and they are shitting all over everybody?


You don't have the answers to life any more then religious people do, so get over yourself. :rolleyes:

This is usually the point I am trying to make. I know there are questions that we really don't have the answers too. Religion generally goes ahead and claims to KNOW the answers anyways... pointing that those who claim to have the answers, but really don't, isnt claiming that one necessarily has all the answers.

marinejcksn
10-25-2008, 11:02 AM
The pompous atheists I mentioned certainly claim to have all the answers, as long as "God" isn't among them. I've read Dawkins work, he's one of the most arrogant men I've ever heard. The same reason I don't like the "end is near" christians is the same reason I hate Dawkins and people like him; they both peddle their b.s. but from different angles and neither side contributes much to the conversation. It's all well and good that you want God removed from your settings, I got nothing against that. It's when atheists use the seperation of church and state to present one side more often then the other that I have an issue with.

A guy talking about Hellfire and brimstone, you know how often I see that when I work in Hawaii? I drive past this whole congregation who holds bible-thumping signs preaching the gospel all day long...what do I do? Roll up the windows and crank some Tool. Always does the trick. :)

wilbur
10-25-2008, 01:12 PM
The pompous atheists I mentioned certainly claim to have all the answers, as long as "God" isn't among them. I've read Dawkins work, he's one of the most arrogant men I've ever heard. The same reason I don't like the "end is near" christians is the same reason I hate Dawkins and people like him; they both peddle their b.s. but from different angles and neither side contributes much to the conversation. It's all well and good that you want God removed from your settings, I got nothing against that. It's when atheists use the seperation of church and state to present one side more often then the other that I have an issue with.

A guy talking about Hellfire and brimstone, you know how often I see that when I work in Hawaii? I drive past this whole congregation who holds bible-thumping signs preaching the gospel all day long...what do I do? Roll up the windows and crank some Tool. Always does the trick. :)

Great thinking... I would roll down the windows and crank it up though ;)

megimoo
10-25-2008, 01:16 PM
Great thinking... I would roll down the windows and crank it up though ;)
Willie you sure work yourself into an awful sweat at just being GOD Less !

FlaGator
10-25-2008, 06:38 PM
<snip>

This is usually the point I am trying to make. I know there are questions that we really don't have the answers too. Religion generally goes ahead and claims to KNOW the answers anyways... pointing that those who claim to have the answers, but really don't, isnt claiming that one necessarily has all the answers.

This is one of the points I am most interested in concerning some atheists. Why should you care one way or the other if a believer feels he has all the answers and what is the difference between them and you when you claim that you have the only correct answer concerning the existence of God? I would say that your position is no different than that of a believer and that if you examine yourself you might see this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

For the record, believers they don't have all the answers. We don't know why God is doing things the way He is and we don't know His ultimate reasons. We believe that God has told us that he created everything and that we should live a certain way, but He has not revealed his ultimate reasons for this. He could just flush creation if He willed it but for whatever reason there is a purpose for all this.

You believe that there is no God so in your view what a believer accepts as fact is moot in your eyes. However, maybe religion does know everything it claims to know and you are the one in error. You can not admit to that no more that a believer can admit that his beliefs are incorrect.

So now we have come to the core of my thoughts on this. You don't like the fact that believers feel they know what they claim to know so you desire to upset their theological apple cart. I feel that your statement above is proof of this. You feel obligated to weigh in not so much to correct what you feel in irrational thinking but to put a believer on the spot and force him or her to defend their position. I believe that you know you can no more change a true believer's mind that one of us can change yours. With the in mind, what is the point of confrontation? Could it be that since you don't have all the answers then you don't want believers to feel they can know what you don't? Isn't it kind of childish to attempt to bust someone’s bubble for no other reason that it would please you to do so?

wilbur
10-26-2008, 06:44 PM
This is one of the points I am most interested in concerning some atheists. Why should you care one way or the other if a believer feels he has all the answers and what is the difference between them and you when you claim that you have the only correct answer concerning the existence of God? I would say that your position is no different than that of a believer and that if you examine yourself you might see this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Well, I don't necessarily care what anyone believes... I may certainly have my personal opinions about those beliefs.. but people having them is no skin off my back, really... until I am expected to treat those beliefs as an unassailable foundation from which one should make real world decisions... or I am expected to 'respect' those beliefs by holding my tongue while I see them leading people towards wrong decisions (when they have consequences for us all).... and such assumptions are often implicit in many conversations.



For the record, believers they don't have all the answers. We don't know why God is doing things the way He is and we don't know His ultimate reasons. We believe that God has told us that he created everything and that we should live a certain way, but He has not revealed his ultimate reasons for this. He could just flush creation if He willed it but for whatever reason there is a purpose for all this.

You believe that there is no God so in your view what a believer accepts as fact is moot in your eyes. However, maybe religion does know everything it claims to know and you are the one in error. You can not admit to that no more that a believer can admit that his beliefs are incorrect.

So now we have come to the core of my thoughts on this. You don't like the fact that believers feel they know what they claim to know so you desire to upset their theological apple cart. I feel that your statement above is proof of this. You feel obligated to weigh in not so much to correct what you feel in irrational thinking but to put a believer on the spot and force him or her to defend their position. I believe that you know you can no more change a true believer's mind that one of us can change yours. With the in mind, what is the point of confrontation? Could it be that since you don't have all the answers then you don't want believers to feel they can know what you don't? Isn't it kind of childish to attempt to bust someone’s bubble for no other reason that it would please you to do so?

Well I confess I let my attitude sometimes get the better of me and I let out a snarky post or three when the absurdity level rises beyond the threshold I can bear... but other than that I mainly post for reasons such as:

1. This stuff is fun to think about
2. Writing out posts helps one practice arguments or see counter-arguments that you never thought of.
3. Stuff is actually learned... while I think most of us are deeply convinced of our positions, we still do learn things from one another, generally.
4. The real world doesn't afford me many opportunities to have these conversations... at least not as deeply... especially on religious topics where actual civil conversation isnt likely possible without holding back on what I (or probably the other person) think.
5. It actually helps me articulate and organize my thoughts.

CU is a good fit for these types of discussions, strangely enough.

FlaGator
10-27-2008, 04:52 AM
Well, I don't necessarily care what anyone believes... I may certainly have my personal opinions about those beliefs.. but people having them is no skin off my back, really... until I am expected to treat those beliefs as an unassailable foundation from which one should make real world decisions... or I am expected to 'respect' those beliefs by holding my tongue while I see them leading people towards wrong decisions (when they have consequences for us all).... and such assumptions are often implicit in many conversations.



Well I confess I let my attitude sometimes get the better of me and I let out a snarky post or three when the absurdity level rises beyond the threshold I can bear... but other than that I mainly post for reasons such as:

1. This stuff is fun to think about
2. Writing out posts helps one practice arguments or see counter-arguments that you never thought of.
3. Stuff is actually learned... while I think most of us are deeply convinced of our positions, we still do learn things from one another, generally.
4. The real world doesn't afford me many opportunities to have these conversations... at least not as deeply... especially on religious topics where actual civil conversation isnt likely possible without holding back on what I (or probably the other person) think.
5. It actually helps me articulate and organize my thoughts.

CU is a good fit for these types of discussions, strangely enough.

I do enjoy these discussions. Also the psychology round both sides is interesting to observe. There is a lot of behaviors that the two sides seem to share but neither likes to acknowledge that they have in common. Being zealous of the cause, is not the least of them :)

asdf2231
10-27-2008, 07:05 AM
I was walking downtown yesterday, and there's a dude on the street corner ranting to a crowd gathered around him yelling about fire and brimstone and everlasting punishment unless you believe what he does. A little turn-about on the part of atheism in recent times is long long overdue. The self-righteousness of religion is institutionalized to the extent no one even notices just how self-righteous it is anymore. Even the somewhat pompous attitude that emanates from Dawkins cannot compare.



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