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Elspeth
10-23-2008, 12:18 PM
Just sent out:


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Contact: Steve Marquis
Telephone Number: 425-698-7084
Email Address: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org
Web site address: http://peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/peoplesvoice.html

Lawsuits Starting Across the Nation Proceeding to Avert Potential Constitutional Crisis, Possible Civil Unrest, and Confidence in Elections; Lawsuits are being filed in Eight States Seeking to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S. or Be Removed as Presidential Candidate on State Ballots.

Seattle WA. 10/22/2008 ・Lawsuits in eight states as of this writing・Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia. Pennsylvania, New York and Connecticut, are seeking judicial authority to force the certifying or decertifying of Senator Barack Obama. qualification to run as a candidate for President as a natural born U.S. citizen. Previously, two lawsuits have failed to force the certifying documents from Obama.

Philip Berg's months-long lawsuit in Federal Court in Philadelphia reached a dramatic plateau yesterday as Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) failed to respond to the court that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen and therefore not qualified to run for office of President of the U.S. They admitted to Obama's non-qualification by their failure to respond to a 30-day court ordered discovery in which Obama and the DNC were ordered to answer a petition by Berg. Berg is a lifelong Democrat in the Pennsylvania Democratic Party who has sought to ratchet up the legal pressure as Obama and the DNC has continually delayed providing certifying documentation of Obama's birth, which he claims to have been in Hawaii.

A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama痴 secret birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii. Lawsuits in Washington and Georgia are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states・Secretary of State, as the chief state elections officer, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.

Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: "No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."



There are numerous allegations to Obama's claim of natural birth in the U.S. on the web and in the media, all raising suspicion and doubt as to Obama's actual place of birth and qualification to run for president. Some of the assertions to which Obama admitted・on Berg's suit are: he was born in Mombassa, Kenya in 1961 while his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was married to Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan; when his mother, divorced from Obama Sr, moved to Indonesia and married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, Obama was adopted by Soetoro and became an Indonesian citizen; while in Indonesia, Obama had his name changed to Barry Soetoro; Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 under an Indonesian passport when Pakistan was a no travel zone for Americans; Obama had admitted・to receiving illegal contributions in his campaign for president. Additionally, there is an allegation that Obama's Kenyan grandmother claims that Obama was born in Kenya; Muammar Gadhafi, leader of Libya, has publicly claimed that Obama was born in Kenya and studied in Muslim schools in Indonesia. Obama has also admitted・to hold citizenship in another country (the U.S. Constitution forbids dual citizenship).



Non-partisan and independent reviews and examinations of Obama's birth certificate as shown on his official website has evidence of tampering and in any case does not list any of the points of information commonly found which would make it traceable and verifiable such as hospital, doctor, size weight, foot prints etc.



Interestingly, all these state lawsuits would be dropped if Mr. Obama would simply provide the requested documents supporting his claim of being born in Hawaii.



Lawsuits in additional states are being added each day. For more information about each lawsuit, contact:



(HI) Andy Martin, email: AndyMart20@aol.com

(WA) Steve Marquis email: peoplesvoice@peoplespassions.org ; website: www.peoplespassion.org

(CA) David Archbold email: darchbo1@gmail.com

(GA) Tom Terry email: kingdommatters@gmail.com

(PA) Philip Berg email: philjberg@obamacrimes.com ; website: www.obamacrimes.com

(NY) Dan Smith email: Dansmith1954@aol.com

(CT) Cort Wrotnowski email: Metaqubit@aol.com

Eyelids
10-23-2008, 12:19 PM
Exactly what are these requested documents?

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 12:23 PM
Are any of the lawsuits going to be decided before 8PM Hawaii time on November 4th, 2008?

Eyelids
10-23-2008, 12:30 PM
Are any of the lawsuits going to be decided before 8PM Hawaii time on November 4th, 2008?

No it'll take something much bigger than this to prevent Obama from being elected. My focus has shifted more towards gathering support for him once he's in office. Part of that is proving how ridiculous these conspiracy theories are.

lacarnut
10-23-2008, 12:50 PM
No it'll take something much bigger than this to prevent Obama from being elected. My focus has shifted more towards gathering support for him once he's in office. Part of that is proving how ridiculous these conspiracy theories are.

Conspiracy theories my ass: I can produce my Birth Certificate and college transcripts in 5 minutes. Why can't the Magic Negro do the same. He must be hiding something. Either that or he is dumb as a rock.

Eyelids
10-23-2008, 01:54 PM
He has produced a birth certificate.

cat714
10-23-2008, 02:04 PM
Conspiracy theories my ass: I can produce my Birth Certificate and college transcripts in 5 minutes. Why can't the Magic Negro do the same. He must be hiding something. Either that or he is dumb as a rock.

Obama is both because he can't even tell if his friends hate America even though they have been open about it. :rolleyes: I could care less about what his grades are, but it bothers me that Obama and the DNC are trying to find ways around producing the documents...mainly the birth certificate. The didn't even answer the Admissions. If for some unfortunate reason Obama is elected, I don't see how he can be president if it is discovered that he is not a natural born citizen. He would have to be impreached if I am not mistaken.

JB
10-23-2008, 02:52 PM
No it'll take something much bigger than this to prevent Obama from being elected.I'll take "people coming to their senses" for a thousand Alex.

lacarnut
10-23-2008, 02:59 PM
He has produced a birth certificate.

Not an original/certified one. Since he is in Hawaii, it should not be too hard for him to put this issue to rest unless he is trying to pull a Kennedy and have the records locked away. Even a dumb ass like you can see something is fishy about this and that he is hiding something.

Eyelids
10-23-2008, 03:13 PM
He would have to be impreached if I am not mistaken.

This is one of the funniest things ever posted here.

linda22003
10-23-2008, 03:15 PM
It just makes no sense that a political party would run a candidate who is not Constitutionally eligible.

cat714
10-23-2008, 03:20 PM
He has produced a birth certificate.

Yeah a fraudulent one.

Rebel Yell
10-23-2008, 03:21 PM
It just makes no sense that a political party would run a candidate who is not Constitutionally eligible.

That's kinda my thinking, but I can't help but wonder why he's blocking the requests. If he's made it this far into the campaign and not even eligible, what does that say about our country?

cat714
10-23-2008, 03:29 PM
This is one of the funniest things ever posted here.

I don't know the answer to what happens to an elected president who turns out not to be a naturalized citizen. The Constiitution does not make allowances for this so he would have to be removed.

People who think like you don't feel the rules apply to their party members, but they only apply to the opposition. If a republican was doing this, you liberals would be on it like flies on shit.

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 03:31 PM
If he's made it this far into the campaign and not even eligible, what does that say about our country?

It says some voters are scared shitless about the thought of a black man as president. :D

linda22003
10-23-2008, 03:38 PM
That's kinda my thinking, but I can't help but wonder why he's blocking the requests. If he's made it this far into the campaign and not even eligible, what does that say about our country?

I haven't been following this story moment to moment, but what is supposedly wrong with the birth certificate I have seen on various sites?

cat714
10-23-2008, 03:38 PM
That's kinda my thinking, but I can't help but wonder why he's blocking the requests. If he's made it this far into the campaign and not even eligible, what does that say about our country?

I always thought there was some type of internal process for presidential candidates where you have to submit certain documents, especially the one that proves you are eligible to run. If the government is just "taking someone's word" for it, that is just wrong regardless of political party. Here the liberals/dems are bitching about McCain's vetting process, but if Obama isn't a citizen, what does that say about their vetting process???

cat714
10-23-2008, 03:51 PM
I haven't been following this story moment to moment, but what is supposedly wrong with the birth certificate I have seen on various sites?

I have been reading things here and there, but now I am trying to follow it more closely. Here's the latest on Berg's lawsuit. More information, including the court documents, can be found at: http://www.obamacrimes.com



(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.

3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.

5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.

7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.

9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.

11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.

13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.

15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.
16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.

17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.
18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.

19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.
20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.

21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.
22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.

23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.
24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.

25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.
26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.

27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.

29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.

31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.

33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.
34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.

35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.
36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.

37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.

39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.
40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.

41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.
42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.

43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.
44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.

45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii.
46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.

47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses.
48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.

49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.

53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.
54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.

55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.

56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

Rebel Yell
10-23-2008, 03:52 PM
I haven't been following this story moment to moment, but what is supposedly wrong with the birth certificate I have seen on various sites?

From what I have gathered, and you'll have to ask Megi to be sure, these people want to see a certified birth certificate. I just don't understand why he don't just produce it and get it over with.

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 03:56 PM
That's kinda my thinking, but I can't help but wonder why he's blocking the requests. If he's made it this far into the campaign and not even eligible, what does that say about our country?

What it says is that there's something to hide. Not certain what that is, but there is something there. It also says that our country has a media that doesn't care about legal or illegal activities, only popular vs. unpopular.

The fact that Barry is blocking access to his papers while the DNC is making noise about Sarah Palin releasing her medical/gynecological records is very interesting. I am much more concerned about the state of a candidate's nationality than the state of her uterus.

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 03:58 PM
From what I have gathered, and you'll have to ask Megi to be sure, these people want to see a certified birth certificate. I just don't understand why he don't just produce it and get it over with.

Exactly.

It would be a non issue. Instead, he has delayed and delayed and delayed. I guess he's running out the clock. If he should become President, no one will want a Constitutional crisis, and if he loses, no one will care anyway.

linda22003
10-23-2008, 04:00 PM
So because Obama blew off this guy, every point in the suit is considered to be "admitted"? I got as far as the fact that they couldn't spell "Mombasa" correctly, and ignored the rest.

linda22003
10-23-2008, 04:01 PM
I hadn't heard anything about Palin gynecological records. Good Lord, isn't there plenty of proof that her uterus works? :eek:

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 04:04 PM
I hadn't heard anything about Palin gynecological records. Good Lord, isn't there plenty of proof that her uterus works? :eek:

I was watching her interview on NBC news last night. She did tell Brian Williams that she was healthy and had given birth five times. :)

Personally, I think it's a way for the DNC and Obots to get into a candidate's uterus without having to do the messy business of rape themselves.

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 04:04 PM
Fall seven times, stand up eight. ~Japanese Proverb ;)

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 04:06 PM
So because Obama blew off this guy, every point in the suit is considered to be "admitted"? I got as far as the fact that they couldn't spell "Mombasa" correctly, and ignored the rest.

The real problem is that no records have been turned over. They could have ended all this by turning over the REAL birth certificate to a court of law instead of floating a fake one on the net.

The lawsuit in Hawaii is said to be hot right now.

Molon Labe
10-23-2008, 04:13 PM
He has produced a birth certificate.

Why is it that a lifelong Democrat and former Deputy Attorney general of Pennsylvania is trying to make a case of this then? Pretty compelling in my estimation.

Let's just say that I'm still skeptical about someone who won't do the simple thing of presenting a certified one and make it all go away.
If someone asked me to present my college degree...I'd be on the phone yesterday with certified transcripts.

Eyelids
10-23-2008, 04:16 PM
Why is it that a lifelong Democrat and former Deputy Attorney general of Pennsylvania is trying to make a case of this then? Pretty compelling in my estimation.
Because the PUMA's still think they matter.

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 04:16 PM
Why is it that a lifelong Democrat and former Deputy Attorney general of Pennsylvania is trying to make a case of this then? Pretty compelling in my estimation.

Let's just say that I'm still skeptical about someone who won't do the simple thing of presenting a certified one and make it all go away.
If someone asked me to present my college degree...I'd be on the phone yesterday with certified transcripts.

I agree. Obama has NEVER produced a birth certificate for a court of law, where he would be under oath and risk perjury. That is exactly the problem. If I go to court and they ask for my birth certificate, I could produce it and would do so immediately. I wouldn't float some copy on the internet (real or faked) instead. I'd give it to the court.

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 04:24 PM
http://www.cellphonestalk.com/screensavers/snoring-dog.gif

JB
10-23-2008, 04:47 PM
...Yet you're still compelled to enter these threads despite your disdain for them. :rolleyes:

LogansPapa
10-23-2008, 05:17 PM
Yet you're still compelled to enter these threads despite your disdain for them. :rolleyes:

Just pointing out you dolts - like hundreds of thousands of your party - will continue to just piss away energy on this, and then have the audacity to set there with wide kitty-cat eyes the morning after the election, wondering what the fuck happened.

JB
10-23-2008, 05:34 PM
Just pointing out you dolts - like hundreds of thousands of your party - will continue to just piss away energy on this, and then have the audacity to set there with wide kitty-cat eyes the morning after the election, wondering what the fuck happened.Yeah, I get it. It's all about the economy. When I want to discuss the economy I'll post in the economy threads. Otherwise, this is a discussion board. Sometimes there are other topics. This happens to be one of them.

and FWIW...Obama's plan will only make the economy worse. /end threadjack

Elspeth
10-23-2008, 08:07 PM
Yeah, I get it. It's all about the economy. When I want to discuss the economy I'll post in the economy threads. Otherwise, this is a discussion board. Sometimes there are other topics. This happens to be one of them.

and FWIW...Obama's plan will only make the economy worse. /end threadjack

The topic of this thread is Obama's inability or unwillingness to produce a genuine American birth certificate for any court of law. Eight separate lawsuits are trying to get this information and neither Barry nor the DNC has complied. A computer file containing a scanned (or photoshopped) birth certificate of dubious origin has been posted on the internet. But on the internet, neither Obama nor the DNC is under the threat of perjury.

All we want is to see the real American birth certificate supplied under oath.