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Elspeth
07-03-2015, 08:20 PM
A Warning from Canada: Same-Sex Marriage Erodes Fundamental Rights
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14899/

...I want to warn America to expect severe erosion of First Amendment freedoms if the US Supreme Court mandates same-sex marriage. The consequences have played out in Canada for ten years now, and they are truly Orwellian in nature and scope.

In Canada, freedoms of speech, press, religion, and association have suffered greatly due to government pressure. The debate over same-sex marriage that is taking place in the United States could not legally exist in Canada today. Because of legal restrictions on speech, if you say or write anything considered “homophobic” (including, by definition, anything questioning same-sex marriage), you could face discipline, termination of employment, or prosecution by the government.

Why do police prosecute speech under the guise of eliminating “hate speech” when there are existing legal remedies and criminal protections against slander, defamation, threats, and assault that equally apply to all Americans? Hate-crime-like policies using the terms “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” create unequal protections in law, whereby protected groups receive more legal protection than other groups.

Having witnessed how mob hysteria in Indiana caused the legislature to back-track on a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, many Americans are beginning to understand that some activists on the Left want to usher in state control over every institution and freedom. In this scheme, personal autonomy and freedom of expression become nothing more than pipe dreams, and children become commodified....

...In Canada, it is considered discriminatory to say that marriage is between a man and a woman or that every child should know and be raised by his or her biological married parents. It is not just politically incorrect in Canada to say so; you can be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, fined, and forced to take sensitivity training.

Anyone who is offended by something you have said or written can make a complaint to the Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals. In Canada, these organizations police speech, penalizing citizens for any expression deemed in opposition to particular sexual behaviors or protected groups identified under “sexual orientation.” It takes only one complaint against a person to be brought before the tribunal, costing the defendant tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The commissions have the power to enter private residences and remove all items pertinent to their investigations, checking for hate speech.

The plaintiff making the complaint has his legal fees completely paid for by the government. Not so the defendant. Even if the defendant is found innocent, he cannot recover his legal costs. If he is found guilty, he must pay fines to the person(s) who brought forth the complaint.

If your beliefs, values, and political opinions are different from the state’s, you risk losing your professional license, job, or business, and even your children. Look no further than the Lev Tahor Sect, an Orthodox Jewish sect. Many members, who had been involved in a bitter custody battle with child protection services, began leaving Chatham, Ontario, for Guatemala in March 2014, to escape prosecution for their religious faith, which conflicted with the Province’s guidelines for religious education. Of the two hundred sect members, only half a dozen families remain in Chatham.

Parents can expect state interference when it comes to moral values, parenting, and education—and not just in school. The state has access into your home to supervise you as the parent, to judge your suitability. And if the state doesn’t like what you are teaching your children, the state will attempt to remove them from your home.

Teachers cannot make comments in their social networks, write letters to editors, publicly debate, or vote according to their own conscience on their own time. They can be disciplined or lose any chance of tenure. They can be required at a bureaucrat’s whim to take re-education classes or sensitivity training, or be fired for thinking politically incorrect thoughts.

When same-sex marriage was created in Canada, gender-neutral language became legally mandated. Newspeak proclaims that it is discriminatory to assume a human being is male or female, or heterosexual. So, to be inclusive, special non-gender-specific language is being used in media, government, workplaces, and especially schools to avoid appearing ignorant, homophobic, or discriminatory. A special curriculum is being used in many schools to teach students how to use proper gender-neutral language. Unbeknownst to many parents, use of gender terms to describe husband and wife, father and mother, Mother’s Day and Father’s Day, and “he” and “she” is being steadily eradicated in Canadian schools....

Elspeth
07-03-2015, 08:55 PM
And a warning from Oregon:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/oregon_bakery_owners_to_pay_135000_to_gay_couple_a nd_lose_their_right_to_free_speech.html

Oregon bakery owners to pay $135,000 to gay couple and lose their right to free speech
By Rick Moran

The former owners of an Oregon bakery who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple's wedding are being forced to pay damages in the amount of $135,000 and have been ordered to cease and desist "from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation."

Aaron and Melissa Klein, whose bakery "Sweet Cakes by Melissa" was forced to close because of the decision, say, “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion or freedom of speech.”

Daily Signal:

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interview with Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”

Lawyers for plaintiffs, Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, argued that in making this statement, the Kleins violated an Oregon law banning people from acting on behalf of a place of public accommodation (in this case, the place would be the Kleins’ former bakery) to communicate anything to the effect that the place of public accommodation would discriminate.

Administrative Law Judge Alan McCullough, who is employed by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries and was appointed by Avakian, threw out the argument in the “proposed order” he issued back in April.

But today, Avakian, who was in charge of making the final ruling in the case—and is also an elected politician—reversed that decision.

It's mind-boggling that judges like this guy exist in America. But it gets worse, according to the Kleins' lawyer:

“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled that the Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful. This is a brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”

Perhaps the judge would like to set up re-education camps so these misguided Christians can be "rehabilitated."...

SarasotaRepub
07-03-2015, 09:27 PM
What nutty happenings and all to make some fruits happy.:rolleyes:

RobJohnson
07-03-2015, 09:40 PM
What nutty happenings and all to make some fruits happy.:rolleyes:



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Apache
07-03-2015, 10:18 PM
Lanie... are you watching?




Keep strong! This IS coming!

Elspeth
07-03-2015, 10:22 PM
Lanie... are you watching?


I don't know if she can read this much. Her strategy is usually to pick out a single sentence and go on some emotional roller coaster until the original point is long forgotten.

FlaGator
07-03-2015, 10:55 PM
I think the plan the liberals are executing is to get the whole world equally screwed up and then all this will be normal.

Dan D. Doty
07-03-2015, 11:15 PM
We have entered the Dark Storm my friends, Liberty has a knife to her throat.

Every day it seems to get worse and worse in this country for anyone who dares not be Politically Correct.

The SJW want to turn America into a copy of every college; no free speech and no free thought.

Pretty soon there's going to be a breaking point.

Elspeth
07-03-2015, 11:57 PM
Pretty soon there's going to be a breaking point.

Wanna bet they'll plan a fake civil war and blame it on Christians?

txradioguy
07-04-2015, 09:54 AM
The Canucks tried to warn us about Socialized medicine too.

I hope we listen better on this than we did in the past.

FlaGator
07-04-2015, 10:14 AM
Wanna bet they'll plan a fake civil war and blame it on Christians?

Nero is believed to have set Rome on fire only to blame it on Christians. History repeats itself.

Dan D. Doty
07-04-2015, 10:38 AM
Wanna bet they'll plan a fake civil war and blame it on Christians?

They blame it on Christians, Jews, Catholics, Mormons, Conservatives Democrats, Libertarians, Republicans, Greens, Gun Owners, Property Owners, Small Business, Farmers, Ranchers, Objectists , and anyone who believes in the Constitution, Bill Of Rights, Civil Liberties, and Common Sense.

In other words, the first guy to put a fight against the Fascist SJW jackoffs who think its their divine right to destroy anyone who gets in the way of tyrannical world view.

And remember, they always scream they're the " victim " no matter who they're f*cking over.

Dan D. Doty
07-04-2015, 10:41 AM
SJW are a lot like ISIS, expect they don't yet have the balls or the brains to imprison and kill people and get away with it.

Lanie
07-04-2015, 10:45 AM
Lanie... are you watching?




Keep strong! This IS coming!

Of course I'm watching. I just bitched last night on FB under an article about how some gays claim tolerance and yet will sue over the bakery issue. A bakery owner is fined so much, and I did point out they can go to jail for not paying. Don't care if I lose friends for pointing that out.

I've also seen a few cases in Europe of somebody getting arrested for speaking their mind. One was a preacher going to a gay rights rally and got arrested. Not sure if the issue is that he said homosexuality was a sin or that he was in the middle of that rally.

I do personally think we shouldn't be worrying about who is marrying who in the legal sense. However, if it comes down to their feelings about something and the freedom of others who disagree with them for religious reasons, I'm going to choose the ones wanting to stay true to their faith every time. Nobody should be forced to do something in private businesses. No churches should be forced to perform a ceremony. Nobody should be silenced about their beliefs. I do personally think the people who work for the state is another matter. We can't say something is legal and then tell those who work for the state they don't have to do their job. Outside of the state, everybody should have a right to do what they feel is best in regards to their faith.





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Dan D. Doty
07-04-2015, 01:05 PM
Of course I'm watching. I just bitched last night on FB under an article about how some gays claim tolerance and yet will sue over the bakery issue. A bakery owner is fined so much, and I did point out they can go to jail for not paying. Don't care if I lose friends for pointing that out.

I've also seen a few cases in Europe of somebody getting arrested for speaking their mind. One was a preacher going to a gay rights rally and got arrested. Not sure if the issue is that he said homosexuality was a sin or that he was in the middle of that rally.

I do personally think we shouldn't be worrying about who is marrying who in the legal sense. However, if it comes down to their feelings about something and the freedom of others who disagree with them for religious reasons, I'm going to choose the ones wanting to stay true to their faith every time. Nobody should be forced to do something in private businesses. No churches should be forced to perform a ceremony. Nobody should be silenced about their beliefs. I do personally think the people who work for the state is another matter. We can't say something is legal and then tell those who work for the state they don't have to do their job. Outside of the state, everybody should have a right to do what they feel is best in regards to their faith.





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The Left won't have any of that.

They are going to use the power of the State to make you do what they want. And what they want is not only you agreeing with them, but joining on the celebration. If not, it off to the re-education ( Gulag) camp with you. And if you still don't " Love Big Brother " , they want you put down for their own good.

Make no mistake, the Left has brought Fascism to America and they are going to force everyone they can smile and clap at whatever they say no matter how evil or insane it is.

Elspeth
07-04-2015, 09:38 PM
Here Lanie (and everyone else):

The title of this article is not hyperbole. See the bolded sentence in the article.

Canada Court Rules Right To Gay Sex Trumps Religious Liberty
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/04/canada-court-rules-right-to-gay-sex-trumps-religious-liberty/

A court in Canada has upheld the denial of accreditation to a Christian law school, holding the private school’s prohibition of homosexual behavior is sufficiently discriminatory that its degrees can be invalidated for that reason alone.

Trinity Western University is a 4,000-student, evangelical Protestant college in the Vancouver suburb of Langley. It has been seeking to open a law school, but has struggled to obtain accreditation in several provinces. This difficulty is not based on the school’s academics, but rather is based on outside objections to the covenant the school makes all students and professors sign. The covenant, among other things, forbids all sex other than that within heterosexual marriage, a rule opponents say discriminates against both gays and those who do not believe in marriage.

Based on the rule, the Law Society of Upper Canada, which governs bar admission in Ontario, refused to accredit the school, meaning graduates would not be allowed to practice law in the province. Trinity sued, leading to Thursday’s decision.

In its ruling, the Ontario Superior Court found that the denial of accreditation did violate Trinity’s freedom of religion, but that this violation was acceptable because of the greater good of protecting equality. Trinity tried to argue that its covenant was non-discriminatory, because it only governed behavior rather than beliefs or innate traits, but the court said that explanation wouldn’t fly.

“Individuals who may not believe in marriage, or LGBTQ persons, may attend (Trinity) but they must first sign the community covenant and thus, in essence, disavow not only their beliefs but, in the case of LGBTQ individuals, their very identity,” the court said. “To assert that that result is not, at its core, discriminatory is to turn a blind eye to the true impact and effect of the community covenant.”

Additionally, the court said the Law Society was within its rights to regulate student conduct agreements at the private university, because of its long history of working to ensure the “meritocracy” and “diversity” of the legal profession.

The court also held that individual evangelical Christians could not claim to have had their freedom violated by the ruling, because they could still attend law school elsewhere.

“There is no evidence before us that the ability of an evangelical Christian to gain a legal education requires that they study at a law school that only permits the presence of evangelical Christian beliefs and only permits the attendance of those persons who commit to those beliefs,” the ruling said.

According to the CBC, Trinity spokesman Guy Saffold warned the decision “points a knife at the freedom of faith communities across Canada to hold and practise their beliefs.”

The ruling is the most recent defeat of many for religious Canadian schools opposed to homosexuality. For example, several provinces, including Alberta last March, have passed laws making it mandatory for all religious schools to establish official gay-straight alliance clubs if a student requests one.

NJCardFan
07-04-2015, 11:44 PM
Remember these words:

Under the spreading chestnut tree...

Lanie
07-05-2015, 05:27 PM
Here Lanie (and everyone else):

The title of this article is not hyperbole. See the bolded sentence in the article.

Canada Court Rules Right To Gay Sex Trumps Religious Liberty
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/04/canada-court-rules-right-to-gay-sex-trumps-religious-liberty/

A court in Canada has upheld the denial of accreditation to a Christian law school, holding the private school’s prohibition of homosexual behavior is sufficiently discriminatory that its degrees can be invalidated for that reason alone.

Trinity Western University is a 4,000-student, evangelical Protestant college in the Vancouver suburb of Langley. It has been seeking to open a law school, but has struggled to obtain accreditation in several provinces. This difficulty is not based on the school’s academics, but rather is based on outside objections to the covenant the school makes all students and professors sign. The covenant, among other things, forbids all sex other than that within heterosexual marriage, a rule opponents say discriminates against both gays and those who do not believe in marriage.

Based on the rule, the Law Society of Upper Canada, which governs bar admission in Ontario, refused to accredit the school, meaning graduates would not be allowed to practice law in the province. Trinity sued, leading to Thursday’s decision.

In its ruling, the Ontario Superior Court found that the denial of accreditation did violate Trinity’s freedom of religion, but that this violation was acceptable because of the greater good of protecting equality. Trinity tried to argue that its covenant was non-discriminatory, because it only governed behavior rather than beliefs or innate traits, but the court said that explanation wouldn’t fly.

“Individuals who may not believe in marriage, or LGBTQ persons, may attend (Trinity) but they must first sign the community covenant and thus, in essence, disavow not only their beliefs but, in the case of LGBTQ individuals, their very identity,” the court said. “To assert that that result is not, at its core, discriminatory is to turn a blind eye to the true impact and effect of the community covenant.”

Additionally, the court said the Law Society was within its rights to regulate student conduct agreements at the private university, because of its long history of working to ensure the “meritocracy” and “diversity” of the legal profession.

The court also held that individual evangelical Christians could not claim to have had their freedom violated by the ruling, because they could still attend law school elsewhere.

“There is no evidence before us that the ability of an evangelical Christian to gain a legal education requires that they study at a law school that only permits the presence of evangelical Christian beliefs and only permits the attendance of those persons who commit to those beliefs,” the ruling said.

According to the CBC, Trinity spokesman Guy Saffold warned the decision “points a knife at the freedom of faith communities across Canada to hold and practise their beliefs.”

The ruling is the most recent defeat of many for religious Canadian schools opposed to homosexuality. For example, several provinces, including Alberta last March, have passed laws making it mandatory for all religious schools to establish official gay-straight alliance clubs if a student requests one.

Okay, that is very messed up. They say Christians can attend law school elsewhere. So can gays and those who don't believe in marriage. There's no point in even having a Christian school if they're not allowed to follow their ethics.

I do think a compromise would be to say that you can attend, but you can't participate in those activities or behaviors while you're a student. I don't think the school should be forced to make even that compromise.

One thing the US has that Canada doesn't have is church/state separation. I really do think that's going to benefit Christians here. That doesn't mean there won't be some unjust rulings. There was one recently with Sweet Cakes. They have to pay a fine and they are not allowed to talk about how we shouldn't sell cakes to homosexuals for their wedding. I think that last part is a complete first amendment violation. It goes against freedom of religion and speech. I really think if they take this back to court, that it could be overturned.

As for Canada, I don't know what to say other than that they don't have the same system we do. I really hope some of the protections we have can be helpful here.

Dori
07-05-2015, 06:31 PM
Who the hell decides what an accreditation is anyway?

If I learn math, regardless of where or how I've learned it, it's in my brain and no one can take it away.

If they can do this with a college, they can do it with homeschoolers too. Just like Germany has. Just you wait an see.