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megimoo
10-27-2008, 11:40 AM
What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts - It's far worse than most people realize

Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts.

It’s become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning.

On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.

The public schools
The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.

At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003.
It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.

Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality.

“In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.

By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.

In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!

Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!

In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”

Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.

It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions.

Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.

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http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html

Eyelids
10-27-2008, 12:00 PM
We wouldn't want people tolerating those fags now would we?

enslaved1
10-27-2008, 12:32 PM
We wouldn't want people tolerating those fags now would we?

Have a teacher discussing the pros and benefits of heterosexual marriage with their middle schoolers, or speakers come in declaring heterosexual marriage as normal and acceptable without being protested, arrested, or ignored. Then you may speak of tolerance.

MrsSmith
10-27-2008, 10:12 PM
We wouldn't want people tolerating those fags now would we?

This "tolerance" of homosexuals bears a strong resemblence to your brown-nosing when you hope a teacher will up your grade a notch. Tolerance has always been extended, but they now demand outright worship.

FeebMaster
10-27-2008, 11:14 PM
Maybe you guys should get the government out of marriage in general. How about out of the schools too while we're at it?

Sonnabend
10-28-2008, 07:33 AM
Maybe you guys should get the government out of marriage in general. How about out of the schools too while we're at it?

Since you are unwilling to take any responsibility as a citizen, since you are not interested in being part of the solution you offer...shut up.

You refuse to vote, hence you have no opinion we wish to hear.

Either part of the problem, or part of the solution.

Your call.

GrumpyOldLady
10-28-2008, 08:23 AM
Considering how badly many public school children do with Math, Reading, History, and Science ... perhaps the schools should spend the time actually teaching THOSE subjects rather then pushing the NEA liberal social indoctrination.

Americans should sue the NEA and take control of the 'public' schools.

Sue the whole system for false advertising. The public schools are NOT what they pretend to be.

marinejcksn
10-28-2008, 08:36 AM
We wouldn't want people tolerating those fags now would we?

Hey Lids, allow me to educate you a moment on some simple vocabulary, since your "college" obviously doesn't:

Tolerate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tolerate)
1: to endure or resist the action of (as a drug or food) without serious side effects or discomfort : exhibit physiological tolerance for
2 a: to allow to be or to be done without prohibition, hindrance, or contradiction b: to put up with <learn to tolerate one another>

I may have to Tolerate acts that I consider to be morally wrong, but a public school WHICH MY TAX DOLLARS FUND does not have the right to force this upon my children without my consent. Hence, when I do have children they are being home schooled or will attend a private school.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 09:27 AM
Since you are unwilling to take any responsibility as a citizen, since you are not interested in being part of the solution you offer...shut up.

You refuse to vote, hence you have no opinion we wish to hear.

Either part of the problem, or part of the solution.

Your call.

Voting isn't a solution.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 09:29 AM
Considering how badly many public school children do with Math, Reading, History, and Science ... perhaps the schools should spend the time actually teaching THOSE subjects rather then pushing the NEA liberal social indoctrination.

Americans should sue the NEA and take control of the 'public' schools.

Sue the whole system for false advertising. The public schools are NOT what they pretend to be.

Good luck with that.

If you don't like what the government schools are teaching, maybe you should just take your kids out of the government schools.

Frankly, given the quality of education in this country, I'd say leaving them in the schools is borderline child abuse.

AlmostThere
10-28-2008, 11:05 AM
Voting isn't a solution.
What is then? Saying what isn't without saying what is, doesn't do much good.

Goldwater
10-28-2008, 11:09 AM
Of course voting is the solution, you just need to vote for the right person.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 11:13 AM
What is then? Saying what isn't without saying what is, doesn't do much good.

In this case, getting your kids out of the government schools is a start.



Of course voting is the solution, you just need to vote for the right person.

lol. Let me know when that works out for you.

Goldwater
10-28-2008, 11:18 AM
lol. Let me know when that works out for you.

So what, you want to do it rebellion style?

They have a lot of guns.

Eyelids
10-28-2008, 11:21 AM
Why do you care so fucking much about gay people?

Just a heads up: the younger generation overwhelmingly supports gay marriage, so I'd say in your best case scenario you've got about 10 years left of bigotry.

LogansPapa
10-28-2008, 11:23 AM
Voting isn't a solution.

Voting is more precious than you have the capacity to imagine.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 11:36 AM
So what, you want to do it rebellion style?

They have a lot of guns.

No. It would just get replaced with another state. Probably one that's even worse.

Just ignore it and avoid it whenever possible and understand you might have to fight to the death if it decides to crush you.



Voting is more precious than you have the capacity to imagine.

Only if you like the feeling that you did something without actually having to do anything.

jinxmchue
10-28-2008, 11:53 AM
Why do you care so fucking much about gay people?

Just a heads up: the younger generation overwhelmingly supports gay marriage, so I'd say in your best case scenario you've got about 10 years left of bigotry.

So Obama's not taking the presidency and the Democrats won't have a super-majority in Congress, then.

Meanwhile, please continue to enjoy practicing your bigotry against Christians. Perhaps one of these days we'll get the Muslims to be vocal about gay marriage and then what are you going to do?

linda22003
10-28-2008, 11:58 AM
Perhaps one of these days we'll get the Muslims to be vocal about gay marriage and then what are you going to do?

You'd form an alliance with the Muslims just to counteract the gays? Seriously? :(

biccat
10-28-2008, 11:59 AM
Perhaps one of these days we'll get the Muslims to be vocal about gay marriage and then what are you going to do?
Probably lose his head over the issue.

wilbur
10-28-2008, 11:59 AM
It seems obvious to me, similar patterns appear anytime some marginalized or suppressed minority group starts to emerge from underneath the foot of those that were doing the marginalizing and the suppressing.

When equality is reached (or nearly reached) many of those who have defined their lives with their "struggle" continue on with the same extremes they did before there was any equality. These would be your Al Sharpton's your Jesse Jacksons, and your ardent affirmative action supporters if you want a parallel in the civil rights movement... or your hardcore extremist feminists... I'm sure the same thing will occur (and might be occurring, in some places) with homosexuals where they are finally starting to approach a near equal footing with the rest of society. It is to be expected.

However, a case against gay marriage this does not make... just as it would not be preferrable to roll us back to a pre-civil rights/womens rights era just because some zealots continue asking for special privilege (and may even get them in some cases).

Surprise surpise... I agree with most of the posters here, in wondering why the public schools are worrying about this crap anyways. I'm not really one to advocate using the school system as a tool for controversial social change.... at least not when they generally don't have the basics covered very well.

LogansPapa
10-28-2008, 12:01 PM
Only if you like the feeling that you did something without actually having to do anything.

Considering those that came before you and gave their very lives to make sure you had the opportunity - ignoring that opportunity is simply stupid and indefensible.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 12:44 PM
Considering those that came before you and gave their very lives to make sure you had the opportunity - ignoring that opportunity is simply stupid and indefensible.

So because some people died and botched things in the process, I should continue the insanity? No thanks.

Besides, my favorite founding father, if he can be called that, Patrick Henry, survived.

You go ahead and keep voting, though. You'll get the government you deserve, if not the government you want.

Goldwater
10-28-2008, 01:13 PM
You'd form an alliance with the Muslims just to counteract the gays? Seriously? :(

Depends what muslims and where, the ones in America probably don't like gay marriage but they aren't going to cut the heads of homosexuals off are they?

biccat
10-28-2008, 02:19 PM
Besides, my favorite founding father, if he can be called that, Patrick Henry, survived.
Not if you add stomach cancer to the mix.

FeebMaster
10-28-2008, 02:33 PM
Not if you add stomach cancer to the mix.

Yeah, but not until later.

Unless it was caused by the stress of dealing with Federalists.

MrsSmith
10-28-2008, 10:25 PM
Why do you care so fucking much about gay people?

Just a heads up: the younger generation overwhelmingly supports gay marriage, so I'd say in your best case scenario you've got about 10 years left of bigotry.

In point of fact, we do care about all people, gay or otherwise. We advocate for equality for all. Unfortunately for many gay people, they are demanding something that would make them "more equal" than everyone else.

This country is rampant with bigotry. The only thing that changes is the target. Now think hard...what all has been attacked about Sarah Palin...and how much of it actually applies to the position of Vice President? The other 95% is bigotry.

GrumpyOldLady
10-29-2008, 09:17 AM
Good luck with that.
If you don't like what the government schools are teaching, maybe you should just take your kids out of the government schools..

We did. We homeschooled.

Elspeth
10-29-2008, 11:26 AM
Considering how badly many public school children do with Math, Reading, History, and Science ... perhaps the schools should spend the time actually teaching THOSE subjects rather then pushing the NEA liberal social indoctrination.

Americans should sue the NEA and take control of the 'public' schools.

Sue the whole system for false advertising. The public schools are NOT what they pretend to be.

We are so on the same page, Grumpy Old Lady.


There is a great book on the insanity that is our educational system and it is well documented: "the deliberate dumbing down of america - A Chronological Paper Trail: A Chronological Paper Trail" (The small t is in the title).

http://www.amazon.com/deliberate-dumbing-down-america-Chronological/dp/0966707109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225293960&sr=8-1

Eyelids
10-29-2008, 11:33 AM
This country is rampant with bigotry. The only thing that changes is the target. Now think hard...what all has been attacked about Sarah Palin...and how much of it actually applies to the position of Vice President? The other 95% is bigotry.

I'm openly prejudiced against stupid people....

Elspeth
10-29-2008, 01:10 PM
In point of fact, we do care about all people, gay or otherwise. We advocate for equality for all. Unfortunately for many gay people, they are demanding something that would make them "more equal" than everyone else.

This country is rampant with bigotry. The only thing that changes is the target. Now think hard...what all has been attacked about Sarah Palin...and how much of it actually applies to the position of Vice President? The other 95% is bigotry.

You mean like the Sarah Palin doll hanging from a noose? Done by a gay guy in West Hollywood, I might add.

Interesting that if it were hanging an Obama doll from a noose, it would be considered a hate crime, but because it is a white woman, it's not.

wilbur
10-29-2008, 02:13 PM
You mean like the Sarah Palin doll hanging from a noose? Done by a gay guy in West Hollywood, I might add.

Interesting that if it were hanging an Obama doll from a noose, it would be considered a hate crime, but because it is a white woman, it's not.

Oh for fucks sake, how intellectually dishonest can we all be here on this whole effigy thing? Lets get real....

Perhaps if one were to consider for all of a split second the historical and social context that hanging a black man from a rope has in this society (even if symbolic) you can see why its an explosive issue, no matter who the subject is. Be it Obama, or just another nobody... like it or not, a black man hanging in effigy from a noose will always evoke a severe reaction than hanging a white person.... even if you do not have your sharptons and jacksons fanning the flames. Due to our history, its simply part of our make up. Call it a double standard if you want... but lets not pretend it has anything to do with Obama... it has more to do with the fact that it used to be considered 'doing your community a service' to string up a black man from a tree for no other reason than his skin color in days gone by. We still have the scars...

Not saying its an appropriate thing to hang anyone in effigy under normal circumstances, but lets not pretend its the same.... it isnt. I think the act by this person was stupid and immature... but all the whining I've heard about the last few days is pitiful.

jediab
10-29-2008, 05:04 PM
... but all the whining I've heard about the last few days is pitiful.

I agree. It is pitiful. And you should stop whining about it right now.

LogansPapa
10-29-2008, 05:06 PM
Oh for fucks sake, how intellectually dishonest can we all be here on this whole effigy thing? Lets get real....

:eek::D:eek::p

Thanks for the incredible laugh. Outstanding honesty.

MrsSmith
10-29-2008, 08:28 PM
I'm openly prejudiced against stupid people....

Being prejudiced against yourself is the first nearly-smart thing I've seen you say. Keep it up, and in 10 years, you'll have grown real intelligence.

MrsSmith
10-29-2008, 08:32 PM
Oh for fucks sake, how intellectually dishonest can we all be here on this whole effigy thing? Lets get real....

Perhaps if one were to consider for all of a split second the historical and social context that hanging a black man from a rope has in this society (even if symbolic) you can see why its an explosive issue, no matter who the subject is. Be it Obama, or just another nobody... like it or not, a black man hanging in effigy from a noose will always evoke a severe reaction than hanging a white person.... even if you do not have your sharptons and jacksons fanning the flames. Due to our history, its simply part of our make up. Call it a double standard if you want... but lets not pretend it has anything to do with Obama... it has more to do with the fact that it used to be considered 'doing your community a service' to string up a black man from a tree for no other reason than his skin color in days gone by. We still have the scars...

Not saying its an appropriate thing to hang anyone in effigy under normal circumstances, but lets not pretend its the same.... it isnt. I think the act by this person was stupid and immature... but all the whining I've heard about the last few days is pitiful.

In part, you're right. However, I believe we all know how "well-treated" women have always been...and still are, in many countries. Hanging Palin in effigy is merely one symptom of the hatred many feel for women, especially Christian women. Hatred is hatred, and the taint is on you, too.

FeebMaster
10-29-2008, 10:43 PM
We did. We homeschooled.

I wish more people would.

I hate when people whine about the schools and then pack their kids off to them every morning.

BadCat
10-29-2008, 10:46 PM
I wish more people would.

I hate when people whine about the schools and then pack their kids off to them every morning.

I hate paying taxes so other peoples vile spawn can be "educated".

FeebMaster
10-29-2008, 10:47 PM
I hate paying taxes so other peoples vile spawn can be "educated".

That too.
.

Troll
10-29-2008, 11:33 PM
I hate paying taxes so other peoples vile spawn can be "educated".

I think the IRS should be abolished, but since our incomes are being taken away at gunpoint, we ought to at least be able to have a say in how the government spends it. I'd like to see a government questionnaire that comes with every paycheck I get.


Dear Hardworking Taxpayer,

From October 27 - November 7, you earned $2000. From that, the Fed withheld $450, and your home state withheld $250.

With regards to the $250, would you like your state to spend it:

(a) Keeping an able-bodied person on welfare
(b) Setting up DUI checkpoints and red light cameras
(c) Keeping a repeat rapist and murderer fed and clothed in prison
(d) Repaving those sections of I-40 with craters in them
(e) Other _______

With regards to the $450, would you like your country to spend it:

(a) Nationalizing healthcare
(b) Educating someone's vile spawn
(c) Researching 'climate change'
(d) Fencing the southern border
(e) Other _______

I'd call that fair - you take my money, I get to tell you how you're allowed to spend it.

aerojarod
10-30-2008, 11:43 AM
Why do you care so fucking much about gay people?


Why do GAY people care so much about having their personal sexual preferences and lifestyles validated in public forums? Are they so insecure about the legitimacy and moratlity of their behavior that only a piece of legislation from the State or Federal government will confirm for them that their love is real?

Can they not have a private relationship and leave the rest of us blissfully unware of the details of their sexual escapades? Can we not extend and guarentee civil rights to all individuals and couples without being forced to accept their personal behavior as the "new normal"?

Can we not both preserve the innocence of our children AND ensure a civil and just future for them by just teaching tolerance IN GENERAL to them in school? Where do you draw the line when it comes to focusing on "awareness months" for every special interest group out there?

Me thiniks the goal of the homosexual lobby is far beyond tolerance and equal rights.
It's about full scale indoctrination and forced acceptance. And deep down, I think their motives are based in their own anxiety and insecurity about their abnormal sexual preferences, and their need for validation is so strong they'll force the rest of us to conform to their skewed world-view rather than come to grips with their own.

RANT OFF.

FeebMaster
11-01-2008, 11:06 AM
I think the IRS should be abolished, but since our incomes are being taken away at gunpoint, we ought to at least be able to have a say in how the government spends it. I'd like to see a government questionnaire that comes with every paycheck I get.



I'd call that fair - you take my money, I get to tell you how you're allowed to spend it.

The sad tragedy of it all is: You do get to tell the government how you want it spent. You're going to tell them again in a couple days and they're going to listen.

megimoo
11-01-2008, 11:13 AM
Oh for fucks sake, how intellectually dishonest can we all be here on this whole effigy thing? Lets get real....

Perhaps if one were to consider for all of a split second the historical and social context that hanging a black man from a rope has in this society (even if symbolic) you can see why its an explosive issue, no matter who the subject is. Be it Obama, or just another nobody... like it or not, a black man hanging in effigy from a noose will always evoke a severe reaction than hanging a white person.... even if you do not have your sharptons and jacksons fanning the flames. Due to our history, its simply part of our make up. Call it a double standard if you want... but lets not pretend it has anything to do with Obama... it has more to do with the fact that it used to be considered 'doing your community a service' to string up a black man from a tree for no other reason than his skin color in days gone by. We still have the scars...

Not saying its an appropriate thing to hang anyone in effigy under normal circumstances, but lets not pretend its the same.... it isnt. I think the act by this person was stupid and immature... but all the whining I've heard about the last few days is pitiful.Hate is hate Willie !Do you deny that the gays hate Paulin and Mc Cain ?If the hate crime applys to blacks due hightened sensativitys then it applys to females by gays for the same reason.Get a grip Willie you are melting under pressure !