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Laoshi
12-27-2015, 07:42 AM
I recently came across this documentary. It details how Edward Snowden escaped from America, aided by WikiLeaks in Hong Kong and even though lengthy at 58 minutes, I found it fascinating all the way through. It was like a non-fictional thriller – brilliant stuff.
I think that it’s because of people like Snowden and Assange that prevents a lot of explanations from being dismissed as conspiracy theories.

‘’Terminal F/Chasing Edward Snowden’’


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZcKpSUsTSs

Questions I’d like to as Hayden (Former NSA Chief in the video).

1. If your activities weren’t illegal, why have they been stopped by the 2014 NDAA.
2. If disclosing illegal government activities are a threat to national security, who really rules America, you the government, or the people.
3. If Snowden is just a ‘criminal’, why did the Chinese CIB/MSS not hand him over and the Russians accept him.
4. Apart from telling the world what you were illegally up to, what did Snowden do that endangered National Security.

Another example

http://mb-soft.com/public3/security.html

''A lowly soldier in Iraq (Bradley Manning) saw a (Top Secret) video of what essentially everyone agrees was a War Crime where a US helicopter crew made clear that they were really enjoying sending rockets down to kill a group of apparently unarmed people, and then they made clear that they enjoyed even more that they got to kill more people who had come to try to help any survivors. The fact that there happened to be foreign News Correspondents in the victims was only seen as 'inconvenient' by the Military and Government leaders, so they decided to define the incident as 'Top Secret'. It seems to me that it was very appropriate that Bradley Manning was disgusted by the behavior of the US personnel, and he felt it important that the US people should be shown that video. It seems to me that Mr. Manning SHOULD HAVE JUSTIFIED releasing that video, which the US Security people defined as Top Secret. Whether or not ANY US person should or would intentionally hide really obvious war crimes used to be a stupid question. Now, due to the treatment of Bradley Manning and the related treatment of WikiLeaks and the threats against Julian Assange, we KNOW that we are NOT allowed to disclose any bad behavior by our Government or our Military, no matter what they do if there is any chance that such disclosure might make our country look bad. The old ideas of honesty and truth have been abandoned! Amazing!''

Adam Wood
12-27-2015, 08:05 AM
:rolleyes:

"Escape."

That's enough to tell me that this is bullshit.

Laoshi
12-27-2015, 08:31 AM
:rolleyes:

"Escape."

That's enough to tell me that this is bullshit.

Watch the video and draw your own conclusions :smile-new:

Adam Wood
12-27-2015, 08:37 AM
Watch the video and draw your own conclusions :smile-new:

I'm not about to waste an hour of my time on some asshole who starts with an assumption that the United States is some sort of gulag.

The conclusion is already apparent: this is bullshit.

Laoshi
12-27-2015, 05:42 PM
I'm not about to waste an hour of my time on some asshole who starts with an assumption that the United States is some sort of gulag.

The conclusion is already apparent: this is bullshit.

Nowhere does he say America is a Gulag. He does imply the government is turning into a police state. Are you aware of the powers the government now have under Obama’s 2012 NDAA? Google, ‘Is America becoming a police state.’ I work in a police State; I could write you a whole series of articles on the similarities.
Although, if you’ve already reached a conclusion . . . :smile-new:

Adam Wood
12-30-2015, 08:21 PM
Nowhere does he say America is a Gulag. Nonsense. He's talking about Snowden "escaping" the United States. That is, by definition, charging that the United States is a gulag.

Dori
12-30-2015, 09:19 PM
So what's his opinion of Russia?

Laoshi
12-31-2015, 12:26 AM
He 'escaped' from a place where he knew what was going to happen to him. The American security services and government were chasing him in Asia and putting all kinds of pressure on governments throughout the world to stop him getting sanctuary; that’s trying to 'escape'. Again, nowhere does he mention 'Gulags' and there is no implying he does – that’s purely an assumption.
The video puts it all into perspective. It’s a sort of real life documentary drama and well worth watching, if only to portray what freedom the west really has now and who really has control.

Perhaps he believed Obama about transparent government; perhaps he believed that government can do no wrong and then found out differently. He does believe, as many now do, that America is becoming a police State. If anyone has ever lived in one, they’ll know the similarities are striking:

http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?70914-Could-Martial-Law-Occur-in-America

I’m not sure what his opinion is on Russia, he’s probably grateful for it though.
I rate Putin, I see him as Russia’s Reagan. The ‘commie’ cold war stuff is a quarter century out of date. Both Russia and China are now capitalist and very conservative; Obama and his gang wouldn’t be tolerated in either of these countries. Gay march parades, BLM, mass government dependency, legalized drugs . . . it wouldn’t happen here. The disinformation and western propaganda is intentionally manufactured by the west; for Russia because of The Ukraine and the oil pipelines supplying Europe and China as a rising challenging power. The irony now is that both China and Russia utterly reject western liberalism and the west rejects the conservatism of China and Russia.

http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?70758-Obama-v-Putin

Don’t just dismiss this kind of journalism out of hand, or because it criticizes, it’s meant more as a warning to America from people who know exactly what Obama is and what the west is turning into.

http://joemiller.us/2012/11/russias-pravda-declares-communism-won-in-american-with-obama-us-suffering-has-only-begun/
''Russia’s Pravda Declares “Communism Won in America with Obama; US Suffering Has Only Begun''
The full article here
http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/
''Obama's Soviet Mistake''

''The Russian article concludes with a frightening warning to Americans:
Russia lost its’ civil war with the Reds and millions suffered torture and death for almost 75 years under the tyranny of the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians survived with a new and stronger faith in God and ever growing Christian Church. The question is how long will the once “Land of the Free” remain the United Socialist States of America? Their suffering has only begun.''

And I couldn’t resist this :smile-new:
http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html
''Putin v Obama''

Laoshi
12-31-2015, 02:00 AM
Nonsense. He's talking about Snowden "escaping" the United States. That is, by definition, charging that the United States is a gulag.

Doesn’t appear you have much input on all this Adam. If you don’t want to watch the video, or read the links, but have already made your mind up based on what you believe, there’s nothing else I can really add :smile-new:

patriot45
12-31-2015, 02:07 AM
Doesn’t appear you have much input on all this Adam. If you don’t want to watch the video, or read the links, but have already made your mind up based on what you believe, there’s nothing else I can really add :smile-new:


Bradley Manning escapes! Allegedly to meet up with fellow gulag escapee Snowden. :Flag2:

Man, I been away too long! :biggrin-new:

Laoshi
12-31-2015, 02:48 AM
Bradley Manning escapes! Allegedly to meet up with fellow gulag escapee Snowden. :Flag2:

Man, I been away too long! :biggrin-new:

Didn't Manning just get 35 years?