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06-15-2008, 09:07 AM
trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 07:41 AM
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They now ask us to remove our hats during the National Anthem at Sporting events.

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I never understood why? I'm an ex paratrooper and have stood in many parades---in uniform----while the National Anthem was sung and we never removed our caps/berets.

I honestly think that having the choice of keeping my cap on is what the song is all about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3455817

Trumad....YOU are so full of shit your eyes are brown! You were in no way in hell a paratrooper!

megimoo
06-15-2008, 09:22 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3455817

Trumad....YOU are so full of shit your eyes are brown! You were in no way in hell a paratrooper!
Either your hats or your heads !!

x5060
06-15-2008, 10:09 AM
Wow, there are some people that have a semblance of a clue.


woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 07:46 AM
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1. We were always taught to remove our hats when the National Anthem is played.

I assumed since the hat is part of a soldier's uniform, that is the reason they've never removed them. All dignitaries and many of the spectators at our Memorial Day parade remove theirs, as well as people at my kids concert and sporting events we go to in our area.


muriel_volestrangler DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 07:51 AM
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4. Indeed - the idea of a salute is that the military shouldn't remove their headgear

The Coldstream Guards appear to have been the first to depart from this practice as a Regimental Order of 1745 reads: ‘The men are ordered not to pull off their hats when the when they pass an officer, or to speak to them, but only to clap up their hands to their hats and bow as they pass them’.

An extract from the Royal Scots Standing Orders of 1762 stated: ‘as nothing disfigures the hats or dirties the lace worn more than taking off the hats, the men for the future are only to raise the back of their hands to them (hats) with a brisk motion when they pass an officer’.
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Saluting, however, should be undertaken intelligently and only when headdress is worn.

http://www.defence.gov.au/ARMY/traditions/documents/Ori...


Civilians remove their headgear; the military salute.


robcon (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 07:57 AM
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7. I'm proud to take my hat off.

But I'm not one of those who insist others do the same.


gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 08:14 AM
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9. I don't think this is new

I've never heard of people (with the exception of people in military uniform) NOT being asked to take off their hats.

Then there are those that are a little bit "special"


PaulHo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 07:54 AM
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5. Good question and why men and not women? nt

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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 09:35 AM
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13. Because the sight of women's hair inflames the passions of men

and turns their minds from the pure contemplation of patriotism to lusts of the flesh. For this reason women must keep their heads covered, especially in church, lest men be led astray. For men, on the other hand, covering the head is a sign of power, and removing the head-covering is symbolic of submission. It has long been tradition that men should uncover their heads in the presence of the sovereign, and, by extension, when singing the national anthem or pledging allegiance to the flag. One removes one's hat or cap, and holds it over one's heart.


Paint It Black (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 08:17 AM
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10. I have not stood for the national anthem since * took office

Sorry, flame away at me if you want, but I just haven't had any pride in my country ever since * and his SCOTUS buddies blatantly stole the election in '00. His actions since that coup have only made things worse.

Hopefully Obama will be able to restore my pride in this great country.


Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 09:44 AM
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14. It's a good thing I don't attend sporting events. I'd have to buy a hat to keep on.




GTurck Donating Member (139 posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jun-15-08 10:01 AM
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16. I am in major trouble... Updated at 10:01 AM

because I did not stand for General Odierno at a Memorial Day event. I was not really protesting, consciously, just could not see why he merited a standing ovation. Our son organized the event and in all other ways I am extremely proud of him but on the issue of standing for the anthem, the flag or some person he his highly and self-rightgeously conventional and now he is punishing me for my lack of "patiotism". I don't always say the pledge either and if I do I do not repeat the phrase 'under God' but fall silent until we get to 'indivisible'.
Oh, my husband didn't stand either; he was playing with our youngest grandchild.
I am hoping Obama makes me feel like a citizen again too and the pledge becomes meaningful again as well.

LibraryLady
06-15-2008, 11:09 AM
Flag Code:


During a rendition of the national anthem—
. . .
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. . . (USC Title 36 para 3010

I said it before and I'll say it again, most people don't know this. Watch a sporting event on TV.....

jinxmchue
06-15-2008, 05:40 PM
Flag Code:

Hrm... Gee, LL, when was that written again? ;)

LibraryLady
06-15-2008, 05:54 PM
Hrm... Gee, LL, when was that written again? ;)


Previous to Flag Day, June 14, 1923 there were no federal or state regulations governing display of the United States Flag. It was on this date that the National Flag Code was adopted by the National Flag Conference which was attended by representatives of the Army and Navy which had evolved their own procedures, and some 66 other national groups.

Here you go (http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html)

jinxmchue
06-15-2008, 07:52 PM
Here you go (http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html)

Oh, sorry. I was being rhetorical. I (and hopefully most everyone else) knew it was pretty old. Thanks for the info nonetheless. :)

LogansPapa
06-15-2008, 08:25 PM
Went to speedway last night at the OCFG. No hats off there and you might lose some teeth.:cool:

Eyelids
06-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Went to speedway last night at the OCFG. No hats off there and you might lose some teeth.:cool:

You'll also get beat up if you use a word over 8 letters long.

SarasotaRepub
06-15-2008, 09:32 PM
You'll also get beat up if you use a word over 8 letters long.

Oh look everybody...Eyelids try to make a funny. :D

jinxmchue
06-15-2008, 11:00 PM
You'll also get beat up if you use a word over 8 letters long.

Speaking from personal experience? I bet you get beat up a lot.

Eyelids
06-16-2008, 12:53 AM
Yea I'm an elitist. You should hear the music I listen to, they'd go nuts.

AmPat
06-16-2008, 05:27 AM
Yea I'm an elitist. You should hear the music I listen to, they'd go nuts.

Naw. Some of them probably like cRAP too.:cool:

LibraryLady
06-16-2008, 05:59 AM
You'll also get beat up if you use a word over 8 letters long.

You should be safe. I doubt that you know any words that long...

linda22003
06-16-2008, 08:07 AM
As PJ O'Rourke advised in his etiquette guide, a man should remove his hat on greeting a lady, "and then leave it off for the rest of his life. Nothing looks more stupid than a man in a hat."

Zathras
06-16-2008, 06:29 PM
Oh look everybody...Eyelids try to make a funny. :D

Hell, he makes a funny every time he posts. Everything the gutless wonder has to say is so stupid and uninformed it's too funny for words

RV Fan
06-16-2008, 07:41 PM
Every civilization has it's customs and traditions. We are, unfortunately, turning into a country which does not respect tradition. That is, unless it glorifies anarchy or undermines the social order.
Those who say that they will not remove their hats or stand dor the National Anthem because of current political disagreements are liars. America haters will not change their stripes with a new administration.

Speedy
06-16-2008, 09:44 PM
You'll also get beat up if you use a word over 8 letters long.


I can think of a 6 letter word that would drive you batshit. Would not cost me any teeth either, not from you.

Eyelids
06-16-2008, 10:02 PM
I can think of a 6 letter word that would drive you batshit. Would not cost me any teeth either, not from you.

I dont live in a prehistoric society where people attack those who offend them. I dont need to throw punches because I'm so insecure about myself.

If you want to be a racist piece of shit thats your prerogative.

Eyelids
06-16-2008, 10:05 PM
Naw. Some of them probably like cRAP too.:cool:

Theres a few problems with this:

1) theres some good rap out there, its not really easy to find but its surely out there.
2) my 10 favorite bands/artists no particular order:

Radiohead
Sonic Youth
Animal Collective
Arcade Fire
The Beatles
Broken Social Scene
Talking Heads
The Avalanches
Dan Deacon
Pavement/Silver Jews/other Stephen Malkmus stuff.

- what made you think I only listen to rap?

!

could it be that you're a racist piece of shit like Speedy and lacarnut?

lacarnut
06-16-2008, 10:14 PM
Yea I'm an elitist. You should hear the music I listen to, they'd go nuts.

A racist and a ego maniac but not an elitist.i

Eyelids
06-16-2008, 10:21 PM
I bet it boils your blood when a negro gets uppity with you.

lacarnut
06-16-2008, 10:46 PM
I bet it boils your blood when a negro gets uppity with you.

Naw, you are the one that gets pissed. Otherwise, you would not go whining to the moderators that I was picking on your dumb ass. The blacks that I worked with had more intelligence and class in their bowl movements than you have in your whole body.

It must hurt to get bitch slapped every time you make a post.

Eyelids
06-16-2008, 10:54 PM
The blacks that I worked with had more intelligence and class in their bowl movements than you have in your whole body.
I bet they dont talk back when you call them inferior because of skin color.

Zathras
06-17-2008, 01:10 AM
I bet they dont talk back when you call them inferior because of skin color.

Naw, we call people inferior for other things, like being a lying, gutless, cowardly waste of skin....like you.

AmPat
06-17-2008, 06:00 AM
Theres a few problems with this:

1) theres some good rap out there, its not really easy to find but its surely out there.
2) my 10 favorite bands/artists no particular order:

Radiohead
Sonic Youth
Animal Collective
Arcade Fire
The Beatles
Broken Social Scene
Talking Heads
The Avalanches
Dan Deacon
Pavement/Silver Jews/other Stephen Malkmus stuff.

- what made you think I only listen to rap?

!

could it be that you're a racist piece of shit like Speedy and lacarnut?
Could be,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'm not.

Now that's settled, I never assumed you listen exclusively to cRAP. I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment. I see that went over your head and you resort to the victimization routine.

Why do you suppose there is a word like "Stereotype?"

For the record, I don't believe ANY cRAP is music. It's ALL cRAP to me. It IS still permissible to have an OPINION isn't it?

Zathras
06-17-2008, 07:49 AM
Naw, you are the one that gets pissed. Otherwise, you would not go whining to the moderators that I was picking on your dumb ass. The blacks that I worked with had more intelligence and class in their bowl movements than you have in your whole body.

It must hurt to get bitch slapped every time you make a post.

Awww, did the the gutless wonder cry to the mods about you too? Hey Eyelids, can't take the heat? Get the *bleep* out of the kitchen.

x5060
06-17-2008, 09:46 AM
I bet they dont talk back when you call them inferior because of skin color.


I bet it boils your blood when a negro gets uppity with you.

The Arguments of a losing person. Really you just started calling everyone a racist, and for really no reason. All it is is name calling. Now if only you actually had a clue as to what you are talking about.

Sonnabend
06-17-2008, 09:54 AM
I bet it boils your blood when a negro gets uppity with you.

Only in an arcade.

BSR
06-17-2008, 11:23 AM
I bet it boils your blood when a negro gets uppity with you.

I bet it boils your blood your race baiting doesnt work here..