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FeebMaster
11-05-2008, 08:31 AM
Tough break on the election thing, guys.

So now that the other team's won the big house, how long until the Republicans decide they want small government again?

FeebMaster
11-05-2008, 12:53 PM
And so it begins: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/04/AR2008110403872.html

Rebel Yell
11-05-2008, 01:11 PM
I don't when they'll decide it, but that's when I'll vote on a national election again.

BadCat
11-05-2008, 01:15 PM
I don't when they'll decide it, but that's when I'll vote on a national election again.

It could take a decade.
The "conservative elite" need to go first.

Rebel Yell
11-05-2008, 01:16 PM
It could take a decade.
The "conservative elite" need to go first.

Term limits would be a good start to weeding them out.

ralph wiggum
11-05-2008, 01:21 PM
True conservatives have always been for smaller government. Unfortunately, there are far too many elected Republicans who don't feel that way. They are the ones who need to go. I'm afraid it will take a long time.

Ree
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
I voted wrong....I'm not sure the Repubs will ever go to small gov....But I believe a "small gov" party will make some headlines by 2012...
I believe less than a year from now there will be a wakeup call for Conservatives...

Troll
11-05-2008, 01:41 PM
I'm voting for the Joooos, because the congressional Republicans don't want smaller government at all. If they did, they would have reduced the size of it in the decade that they had Congress instead of doubling the size of it.

I think your larger point here, Feeb (which I agree with) is "are the 'party loyal' Republicans going to be suckered in by false promises of smaller government that the remaining Republicans in Congress will inevitably wave in our faces to keep their seats?" The answer is simply 'it doesn't matter.'

The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise smaller government. The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise bigger government. The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise only government. The Republicans will promise these things, probably pick up a few lost seats, break all their promises, be thrown out again, and the cycle will begin anew.

Maybe once there are more Independent voters than Republican voters, the ma-and-pa's will start jumping ship, but until then...

"...the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy." ~ Carol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

mikedetejas
11-05-2008, 04:11 PM
When were the Republicans ever the party of "small govt"? I know they talk a good talk, but someone please tell me what Republican president or congress ever rolled back any entitlement program. All I see is FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society grow and grow and grow.

FeebMaster
11-06-2008, 11:05 AM
I think your larger point here, Feeb (which I agree with) is "are the 'party loyal' Republicans going to be suckered in by false promises of smaller government that the remaining Republicans in Congress will inevitably wave in our faces to keep their seats?" The answer is simply 'it doesn't matter.'

The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise smaller government. The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise bigger government. The party loyal will vote Republican if they promise only government. The Republicans will promise these things, probably pick up a few lost seats, break all their promises, be thrown out again, and the cycle will begin anew.

More or less, though I think we'll see the change among the party faithful too. Obama is bound to do something that Bush would have or did and the party faithful will decry Obama's doing it with "Bad! Government is not the answer!"


"...the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy." ~ Carol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

That just about sums it up.

lacarnut
11-06-2008, 11:35 AM
Their actions surely do not meet their words. I am still hopeful.

Rebel Yell
11-06-2008, 12:27 PM
That just about sums it up.


The two party system is a triangle. Keep the people at the bottom pushing against each other so that the people at the top (who happen be in the same place) can be held up. If they didn't pretend to be so much different the people would push from the top.

Molon Labe
02-08-2010, 04:03 PM
didn't even take a whole year did it Feeb?

The small government thingy is in full swing.

Gingersnap
02-08-2010, 04:27 PM
didn't even take a whole year did it Feeb?

The small government thingy is in full swing.

Just not from Republicans. :p

Constitutionally Speaking
02-08-2010, 06:19 PM
Just not from Republicans. :p


I would disagree there Ginger. I am a Republican and I have been pushing for small government Republicans in the primaries for nearly a decade now.

Where I don't do so is in the General elections when the dire consequences of getting a Democrat in overrides everything else.

Gingersnap
02-08-2010, 06:23 PM
I would disagree there Ginger. I am a Republican and I have been pushing for small government Republicans in the primaries for nearly a decade now.

Where I don't do so is in the General elections when the dire consequences of getting a Democrat in overrides everything else.

Well, maybe that has to change. Voting in a RINO doesn't solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable. ;)

djones520
02-08-2010, 06:26 PM
Well, maybe that has to change. Voting in a RINO doesn't solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable. ;)

Stamping your feet and chastising everyone for attempting to stop Obama isn't going to help change anything either.

As I've told these guys many times already, we all can want the perfect world where we never got to the state we are today, but we have to accept reality and face it. Make the compromises you have to, and work towards that better world in anyway you can.

Snide little polls like these just make you look childish IMO.

Troll
02-08-2010, 06:34 PM
Voting in a RINO doesn't solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable. ;)

Thank you, I needed to smile today. :D

Rockntractor
02-08-2010, 06:51 PM
Stamping your feet and chastising everyone for attempting to stop Obama isn't going to help change anything either.

As I've told these guys many times already, we all can want the perfect world where we never got to the state we are today, but we have to accept reality and face it. Make the compromises you have to, and work towards that better world in anyway you can.

Snide little polls like these just make you look childish IMO.
Assimilate?

Constitutionally Speaking
02-08-2010, 07:51 PM
Well, maybe that has to change. Voting in a RINO doesn't solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable. ;)


I think the better way is to kick the RINO's out in the Primaries. Come the general election I hold my nose.

Rockntractor
02-08-2010, 08:09 PM
I think the better way is to kick the RINO's out in the Primaries. Come the general election I hold my nose.
So true!

djones520
02-08-2010, 08:17 PM
So true!

See, we do agree on things. :p

FeebMaster
02-08-2010, 10:58 PM
didn't even take a whole year did it Feeb?

The small government thingy is in full swing.

What are you talking about? The Republicans have always been for small government.

lacarnut
02-09-2010, 08:04 AM
What are you talking about? The Republicans have always been for small government.

Neither party has ever been for smaller government. Local, state and federal hiring of jobs has exploded in the last 20 years. If the private sector had grown like the public sector, we would be in much better financial shape. However, more money in the treasury equals more spending and more government employees. I worked in state government and know how the system works. The only politician I know that would reverse that is Gov Palin. She has actually reduced spending. The rest of these politicians talk a good game but do not deliver.

AmPat
02-09-2010, 02:28 PM
I think the better way is to kick the RINO's out in the Primaries. Come the general election I hold my nose.

Wise strategy. One can only hope that the GOP candidates do what they promise. On a larger scale, DIMS grow government unashamedly and run on that platform. When a GOP candidate runs on smaller gov't, I will vote for him. If it turns out he lied, so be it. I cannot know what I don't know. What I do know is that a DIM will grow the government.

FlaGator
02-09-2010, 02:38 PM
Tough break on the election thing, guys.

So now that the other team's won the big house, how long until the Republicans decide they want small government again?

Does this deal with what they say or what they really feel?

FeebMaster
02-09-2010, 04:02 PM
Does this deal with what they say or what they really feel?

Both, I guess. I'm sure some Republicans actually believe the things they say.

TxTenther
02-11-2010, 08:36 PM
Good question. It's starting to seem like the Republican Party is becoming alot like the Conservative parties in Canada, UK etc. They really don't want to roll back government. Their schtick is, they can better manage socialism than the Democrats. There are exceptions though, especially in the state legislatures

zBoots
02-15-2010, 05:58 PM
There seems that there might be a state wide anti federal trend developing. I think we stand a better chance at the state level that any hope of the feds rolling themselves back. Get some good small gov people in at the state... thats what we need.