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LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

zBoots
11-08-2008, 12:25 AM
Depends.. if we can get a token oprah likes, like you guys got, maybe.

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 01:19 AM
A local person of color that happens to be a radio host said that "the Republican Convention looked like a big glass of buttermilk with a few raisins in it" and that may be a fairly accurate interpretation of your party's reality.

zBoots
11-08-2008, 01:32 AM
Funny, I thought the same thing looking at tonights press conference.

JB
11-08-2008, 02:43 AM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:If they think the Republican candidate is better than the Democrat candidate, why not.

Constitutionally Speaking
11-08-2008, 05:13 AM
The sad part of it is, it that they have been prey for the Democrats - the Dems have victimized them and addicted them to their own poverty.

The Dems have perpetrated govt. programs that have done very little except trap them in poverty - utterly and completely dependent upon those programs.

The dems have destroyed the schools in the areas they live, driven out the jobs they once held and allowed the criminals to run free in their neighborhoods.

Yet because they have been addicted to the programs that "help" them, they are also susceptible to the propaganda they hear from the liberal press.

They are unaware of the fight we REPUBLICANS put up for them in the Civil war - it was the very basis for our founding. They are unaware that we REPUBLICANS voted FOR the various Civil Rights acts while the MAJORITY of Democrats voted AGAINST them.


They are ignorant of the fact that ALL of the big name leaders of segregation were DEMOCRATS and all but a VERY few remained so.

AmPat
11-08-2008, 06:10 AM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

A better question: Will people of cplor ever vote for a Republican?

Unless they quit listening to people who give them their opinions, a resounding no. People of color have historically voted for the Party of the hand out. I hold forth no hope for them. They are merely Lemmings who mindlessly vote for the DIMocRAT Party.

Defiant1
11-08-2008, 08:17 AM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

Let's ask them on Jan. 21st when they wake up and run outside and money isn't raining down on them from heaven above. When they look back and see that their roach-infested ghetto hasn't magically transformed into a replica of Jeremiah Wright's new digs. When they run down to the liquor store for a 40 ounce and find out they still have to pay. When they check the mail and there's no National HealthCare card.

sgrooms
11-08-2008, 09:27 AM
Poor people, whether they are black, white, yellow, red, purple, green...it doesn't matter. They have been voting democrat for the last 40+ years thinking things are going to change.

Guess what? They are still poor!! How often do you do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? Isn't that the definition of stupid????

SarasotaRepub
11-08-2008, 10:08 AM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

If they ever pull their collective heads from their ass...yes.

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 10:36 AM
So, now that Obama has been elected President of the United States, will 'The Party of the White Race' (the Republican Party) ever have the numbers to win the White House again?;)

SarasotaRepub
11-08-2008, 10:39 AM
So, now that Obama has been elected President of the United States, will 'The Party of the White Race' (the Republican Party) ever have the numbers to win the White House again?;)

I think so. Just watch the Dems for the next 4. :D

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 10:42 AM
I think so. Just watch the Dems for the next 4. :D

That's no answer. That's like saying "everything always works out for the best." Sometimes it doesn't. Your party is a smoking pile of rubble - admit it or not.

SarasotaRepub
11-08-2008, 10:57 AM
That's no answer. That's like saying "everything always works out for the best." Sometimes it doesn't. Your party is a smoking pile of rubble - admit it or not.


NOT. :p But it has lost it's way for certain. That's what rebuilding is for and the Dems will help us with that. They won't see it that way but hey...

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 11:04 AM
The time of the Republican has passed.

If not - then what's just happened is a public mandate of utter disgust for the administration of the last eight years. And if so, for the sake of John McCain, that is truly sad.

:cool:

AmPat
11-08-2008, 11:18 AM
That's no answer. That's like saying "everything always works out for the best." Sometimes it doesn't. Your party is a smoking pile of rubble - admit it or not.

I heard this same crap regarding the DIMocRATS in the 90's. Get over it.:rolleyes:

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 11:23 AM
I heard this same crap regarding the DIMocRATS in the 90's. Get over it.:rolleyes:

Back then the battle - on both sides - was fought hard. This election - your side just stood there and watched. (AKA: gave up.)

AmPat
11-08-2008, 11:31 AM
Back then the battle - on both sides - was fought hard. This election - your side just stood there and watched. (AKA: gave up.)

Agreed. JM wanted to fight fair. He refused some of the tactics that might have expose the Marxist early. He ran a floundering campaign and was severly outclassed by the Orator-In-Chief. He was out spent 10-1 by the Socialist. He failed to prepare his running mate properly for the venomous attacks to come. He is a RINO and Conservative Republicans were lukewarm to him from the start.

The Party is severly injured and has much work to do. The DIMS did it and so can the Republicans. Of course the Republicans usually have pesky little jobs that limit their volunteer time. We'll see. Maybe this is an opportunity to start a 3rd Party. I suggest calling it the CONSERVATIVE PARTY. That way everybody starts on the same sheet of music.

MrsSmith
11-08-2008, 02:09 PM
The time of the Republican has passed.

If not - then what's just happened is a public mandate of utter disgust for the administration of the last eight years. And if so, for the sake of John McCain, that is truly sad.

:cool:

"Only" 57,325,487 people voted Republican. "Only" 57,325,487!! :rolleyes:

JB
11-08-2008, 02:42 PM
The time of the Republican has passed.The country still leans right. Conservatives outnumber libs with the moderates always in play.
If not - then what's just happened is a public mandate of utter disgust for the administration of the last eight years. And if so, for the sake of John McCain, that is truly sad.You're a regular Captain Obvious. Did you have your television and radio turned off the last several months? Obama couldn't go three seconds with mentioning McCain=Bush. (And somehow bringing up Barry's associations was racist or some shit.) He took advantage of a currently unpopular president during a tough economic period. The incumbent will always suffer as a result of that. See: Carter, Jimmy for more details.

Is this your first experience with politics? :rolleyes:

MrsSmith
11-08-2008, 04:06 PM
The country still leans right. Conservatives outnumber libs with the moderates always in play.You're a regular Captain Obvious. Did you have your television and radio turned off the last several months? Obama couldn't go three seconds with mentioning McCain=Bush. (And somehow bringing up Barry's associations was racist or some shit.) He took advantage of a currently unpopular president during a tough economic period. The incumbent will always suffer as a result of that. See: Carter, Jimmy for more details.

Is this your first experience with politics? :rolleyes:

He's a closet lib...he could have been watching politics for 50 years and still know nothing.:cool:

LogansPapa
11-08-2008, 04:12 PM
"Only" 57,325,487 people voted Republican. "Only" 57,325,487!! :rolleyes:

Based on your group's obvious perfection and therefore closeness to the heavens - it should have been well over 70,000,000. Being so close to the Lord and having a direct radio channel to the Father, one would have thought you'd have been able to parlay the Palin one into a vision of Mary herself - but you backed a buffoon and the average American voter saw through it. I simply believe that your folks didn't turn out per their registration. That's why you failed in the money column. That's why your candidate appeared as old, stiff and a simple continuation of "W." That is why you lost. That is now history.

patriot45
11-08-2008, 05:07 PM
Based on your group's obvious perfection and therefore closeness to the heavens - it should have been well over 70,000,000. Being so close to the Lord and having a direct radio channel to the Father, one would have thought you'd have been able to parlay the Palin one into a vision of Mary herself - but you backed a buffoon and the average American voter saw through it. I simply believe that your folks didn't turn out per their registration. That's why you failed in the money column. That's why your candidate appeared as old, stiff and a simple continuation of "W." That is why you lost. That is now history.

WOW! your well thought out dribble convinced me! I am going to go right out and vote for Obama last week!

MrsSmith
11-08-2008, 05:14 PM
Based on your group's obvious perfection and therefore closeness to the heavens - it should have been well over 70,000,000. Being so close to the Lord and having a direct radio channel to the Father, one would have thought you'd have been able to parlay the Palin one into a vision of Mary herself - but you backed a buffoon and the average American voter saw through it. I simply believe that your folks didn't turn out per their registration. That's why you failed in the money column. That's why your candidate appeared as old, stiff and a simple continuation of "W." That is why you lost. That is now history.

The average American voter? :D:p:D The few swing votes that gave the election to Obama were mostly voting for skin color...as evidenced by the passage of almost every conservative bill and failure of all the "green" ones. While voting based on skin color may be average for people like you, it is not average for the American people as a whole.

As far as God goes, I believe we've mentioned free will. He is very good at allowing us to use it. He'll fix everything at some point after the country has had enough and turns back to Him, just as the Chiildren of Israel experienced repeatedly in recorded history.

Sonnabend
11-08-2008, 06:23 PM
Yes they will (http://www.nbra.info/)

:D:D:D

MrsSmith
11-08-2008, 07:49 PM
Yes they will (http://www.nbra.info/)

:D:D:D
Powerful site! :eek:

Odysseus
11-08-2008, 07:51 PM
So, now that Obama has been elected President of the United States, will 'The Party of the White Race' (the Republican Party) ever have the numbers to win the White House again?;)
Well, first off, let's define "people of color" shall we? For example, as a "honky-American," I'm various shades of pink. That's a color, isn't it? Oh, wait, you mean people who define themselves by their skin color! People who think that how they look determines what they ought to think! No, we won't get many of those. We'll get some blacks, Latinos and Asians, but people who think for themselves and don't want or expect government handouts will always be a minority within a minority.

That's no answer. That's like saying "everything always works out for the best." Sometimes it doesn't. Your party is a smoking pile of rubble - admit it or not.
That's what they said in '92. In '94, we took the congress. People forget what it's like to live under Democrats. Four years of Jimmy Carter gave us twelve years of Republican presidents, and two years of Clinton and a Democratic congress gave us the '94 Gingrich revolt. Nothing lasts forever, except government entitlements, and eventually, that well runs dry, too. Just look up Romulus Augustus.

lacarnut
11-08-2008, 08:07 PM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

Question for You: Why was Clinton called the first black President? Answer he was a Democrat.
Question #2 Between Jr Bush & Clinton, who had more blacks in top cabinet post? Answer, Bush
Another observation for you. Jessie Jackson was named by Bush on the Civil Rights Commission. He attended one meeting and then blasted Bush.

Conclusion: Democratic politicians have over 80% of black voters in the bag when running for office. That is not going to change anytime soon. Even if they have been a former KKK member like Byrd, no problem.

Celtic Rose
11-08-2008, 08:40 PM
That's no answer. That's like saying "everything always works out for the best." Sometimes it doesn't. Your party is a smoking pile of rubble - admit it or not.

I believe that the final vote ended up being 47% to 53%, with a very unpopular president, and as the country is heading into, if not already in, a recession. Even with all of that, the Democrats got just a little over half the vote. Lets see those numbers after four years of higher taxes :cool:

Also, a good number of African Americans, Arabs, and Hispanics are socially conservative. The more that the far left pushes their agenda, such as their disdain for religion, their support of homosexuality, etc., the more that they will be rejected.

YupItsMe
11-08-2008, 10:13 PM
Based on your group's obvious perfection and therefore closeness to the heavens - it should have been well over 70,000,000. Being so close to the Lord and having a direct radio channel to the Father, one would have thought you'd have been able to parlay the Palin one into a vision of Mary herself - but you backed a buffoon and the average American voter saw through it. I simply believe that your folks didn't turn out per their registration. That's why you failed in the money column. That's why your candidate appeared as old, stiff and a simple continuation of "W." That is why you lost. That is now history.

Wow, one little victory and you turned into the most obnoxious asshole on this board. No small feat. I always knew you were up to the job though.

MrsSmith
11-08-2008, 10:32 PM
Wow, one little victory and you turned into the most obnoxious asshole on this board. No small feat. I always knew you were up to the job though.

It does appear that he is the only one left at this moment. :eek:

OwlMBA
11-08-2008, 10:37 PM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

Only if they promise them the welfare checks, handouts, and free mortgages like the Democrats.

Odysseus
11-09-2008, 12:43 AM
Wow, one little victory and you turned into the most obnoxious asshole on this board. No small feat. I always knew you were up to the job though.

Who was the most obnoxious @$$hole before him? :D

LogansPapa
11-09-2008, 01:04 AM
Well at least I woke you dillweebs up.

Do none of you great political minds see that the Latino vote, virtually guaranteed to vote against the black candidate, according to omnipotent brains like Limbaugh and all of the other conservative sucker fish that trail along behind him, went to Obama?

Except in Miami - it just didn't happenfor the ditto heads, and much like Rove's face when he was told Ohio has just fell into Obama's column (an absolute television visual classic BTW), El Rushbo simply told us on Wednesday morning he "knew this was going to happen."

You folks got caught flat-footed and got you asses handed to you, despite your writhing prayers of anguish to the contrary. This was history folks - and you simply weren't part of it. You just sat on your ample cabooses and watched it happen.

10 to 1 on the money in the last month proved exactly that.;)

AmPat
11-09-2008, 01:43 AM
Well at least I woke you dillweebs up.

Do none of you great political minds see that the Latino vote, virtually guaranteed to vote against the black candidate, according to omnipotent brains like Limbaugh and all of the other conservative sucker fish that trail along behind him, went to Obama?

Except in Miami - it just didn't happenfor the ditto heads, and much like Rove's face when he was told Ohio has just fell into Obama's column (an absolute television visual classic BTW), El Rushbo simply told us on Wednesday morning he "knew this was going to happen."

You folks got caught flat-footed and got you asses handed to you, despite your writhing prayers of anguish to the contrary. This was history folks - and you simply weren't part of it. You just sat on your ample cabooses and watched it happen.

10 to 1 on the money in the last month proved exactly that.;)

Do you not have any problem with Obama's (DIMocRAT) purchase of the most important office in the world? You are correct that History was made. It is made every time another second ticks off the clock. You are incorrect that we sat on the sideline.

If you voted Republican or anything other than the Messiah, you are not complicit in turning this country into a Socialist country. If you did vote for The One, you are directly responsible for the crap to follow. Like Carter, you and the other mindless drones will not admit to voting for this arrogant Demigod when history repeats itself again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.and again.

LogansPapa
11-09-2008, 01:53 AM
Do you not have any problem with Obama's (DIMocRAT) purchase of the most important office in the world?


I voted for John McCain. As I'd committed to do. I fulfilled that promise. It's no more complicated than that.

The Republican candidate wasn't financially support by the exact people that could have most easily done so.

The Democrats telegraphed exactly what they were going to do - appearance by appearance, commercial by commercial, fund raiser by fund raiser. Your part simply didn't have the ganas - the desire - the need.

Obama's party did and if he runs again in 2012 I shall make a contribution to his party and vote for him accordingly. I am a Liberal and I am Independent. Not closet anything - never said otherwise - never tried to hide anything, and anyone that says I have is simply a lying asshole - church goer or not.

AmPat
11-09-2008, 02:03 AM
I voted for John McCain. As I'd committed to do. I fulfilled that promise. It's no more complicated than that.

The Republican candidate wasn't financially support by the exact people that could have most easily done so.

The Democrats telegraphed exactly what they were going to do - appearance by appearance, commercial by commercial, fund raiser by fund raiser. Your part simply didn't have the ganas - the desire - the need.

Obama's party did and if he runs again in 2012 I shall make a contribution to his party and vote for him accordingly. I am a Liberal and I am Independent. Not closet anything - never said otherwise - never tried to hide anything, and anyone that says I have is simply a lying asshole - church goer or not.

I'll take that as a no. I have a huge problem with buying elections. Especially the biggest one going. We got Obama good or bad so history will tell. I don't buy the crap he shovels. He will have very little trouble moving this country over the edge toward a full blown Marxist nation. The entire world should be alarmed because if I'm right, the handouts will soon dry up.

Imagine the hand wringing of all the leftists once John Galt stops producing.:cool:

Odysseus
11-09-2008, 09:00 AM
I am a Liberal and I am Independent.
There is no such thing as an independent liberal. You may not be registered with a party, but you're still a lemming.

I'll take that as a no. I have a huge problem with buying elections. Especially the biggest one going. We got Obama good or bad so history will tell. I don't buy the crap he shovels. He will have very little trouble moving this country over the edge toward a full blown Marxist nation. The entire world should be alarmed because if I'm right, the handouts will soon dry up.

Imagine the hand wringing of all the leftists once John Galt stops producing.:cool:
I have no problem with people spending massive amounts of money on elections. What I do have a problem with is McCain tying his own hands while the Democrats brazenly violated the campaign finance laws that they kept claiming we had to impose to clean up the process.

BadCat
11-09-2008, 09:09 AM
I voted for John McCain. As I'd committed to do. I fulfilled that promise. It's no more complicated than that.

The Republican candidate wasn't financially support by the exact people that could have most easily done so.

The Democrats telegraphed exactly what they were going to do - appearance by appearance, commercial by commercial, fund raiser by fund raiser. Your part simply didn't have the ganas - the desire - the need.

Obama's party did and if he runs again in 2012 I shall make a contribution to his party and vote for him accordingly. I am a Liberal and I am Independent. Not closet anything - never said otherwise - never tried to hide anything, and anyone that says I have is simply a lying asshole - church goer or not.

WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!

You fucking LIE about EVERYTHING. Who you are, what you do for a living...you're a fucking TROLL.
Go back to DU, DarwinsFriend, you can hang out with TomInTib and spin some tales the DUmmies will just love.

Goldwater
11-09-2008, 10:38 AM
Only if they promise them the welfare checks, handouts, and free mortgages like the Democrats.

Goodbye, conservatism. We hardly knew yee.

MrsSmith
11-09-2008, 12:51 PM
I voted for John McCain. As I'd committed to do. I fulfilled that promise. It's no more complicated than that.

The Republican candidate wasn't financially support by the exact people that could have most easily done so.

The Democrats telegraphed exactly what they were going to do - appearance by appearance, commercial by commercial, fund raiser by fund raiser. Your part simply didn't have the ganas - the desire - the need.

Obama's party did and if he runs again in 2012 I shall make a contribution to his party and vote for him accordingly. I am a Liberal and I am Independent. Not closet anything - never said otherwise - never tried to hide anything, and anyone that says I have is simply a lying asshole - church goer or not.

:D:D What channel did you watch to come away from the election with such a distorted view of reality? You're not even trying to think anymore. :rolleyes:

Bill
11-09-2008, 01:48 PM
If thug wannabe rapper 50 Cent was a Republican and running against a white Democrat, they (blacks) would vote Republican. Its pretty obvious blacks vote on racial lines alot more than whites. I mean Obama Bin Laden got something like 93% of the black vote. :confused:

AmPat
11-09-2008, 10:39 PM
There is no such thing as an independent liberal. You may not be registered with a party, but you're still a lemming.

I have no problem with people spending massive amounts of money on elections. What I do have a problem with is McCain tying his own hands while the Democrats brazenly violated the campaign finance laws that they kept claiming we had to impose to clean up the process.

Here is the problem. There is no way that these RATs will ever be held accountable. They will never accept an even playing field. Outwardly they will be like true Marxist-Totalitarians; the ends justify the means. Obama himself leads the way on blatant lies and hypocrisy. Look no further that his lie regarding accepting public funds. I accept the freedom to raise funds, but there must be rules and accountability. I don't accept hidden funds from China or elsewhere (See George Soros) as legitimate funds in (appointing) buying our next President.

McCain was an ideological idiot to expect ANY DIMocRAT to stick to his word. McCain plays by antiquated rules of chivalry and gentleman-like behavior that the Left finds quaint and is arrogantly above.

patriot45
11-09-2008, 10:44 PM
Here is the problem. There is no way that these RATs will ever be held accountable. They will never accept an even playing field. Outwardly they will be like true Marxist-Totalitarians; the ends justify the means. Obama himself leads the way on blatant lies and hypocrisy. Look no further that his lie regarding accepting public funds. I accept the freedom to raise funds, but there must be rules and accountability. I don't accept hidden funds from China or elsewhere (See George Soros) as legitimate funds in (appointing) buying our next President.

McCain was an ideological idiot to expect ANY DIMocRAT to stick to his word. McCain plays by antiquated rules of chivalry and gentleman-like behavior that the Left finds quaint and is arrogantly above.

No way you can out slime what the dems do. They lie right to our face and we don't believe it. But they are always serious with thier moonbat ways. When will we learn!:confused:

M21
11-09-2008, 10:46 PM
Nice guys finish LAST. I saw the loss coming, but I thought just maybe in spite of himself it he might pull it off .

You're right though they will never be held accountable.

PoliKat
11-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Wow, one little victory and you turned into the most obnoxious asshole on this board. No small feat. I always knew you were up to the job though.
No doubt. Geez.

ginad3248
11-10-2008, 12:11 AM
Let's ask them on Jan. 21st when they wake up and run outside and money isn't raining down on them from heaven above. When they look back and see that their roach-infested ghetto hasn't magically transformed into a replica of Jeremiah Wright's new digs. When they run down to the liquor store for a 40 ounce and find out they still have to pay. When they check the mail and there's no National HealthCare card.

your funny...

cat714
11-10-2008, 12:21 AM
Right now I am watching a documentary about Jim Jones...reminds me so much of Obama. They are talking about socialism, people being economically equal, hope, change...all the BS Obama put out there.

Constitutionally Speaking
11-10-2008, 11:12 AM
The time of the Republican has passed.

If not - then what's just happened is a public mandate of utter disgust for the administration of the last eight years. And if so, for the sake of John McCain, that is truly sad.

:cool:


That IS what happened. The Democrats successfully tied McCain to a very unpopular Bush administration.

LogansPapa
11-10-2008, 11:23 AM
The Democrats successfully tied McCain to a very unpopular Bush administration.

Actually - the Democrats simply reiterated a fact. In their guts - every American voter knew it to be true. This upcoming administration will be little more than the taking out of a mountain of trash.

noonwitch
11-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Only if they promise them the welfare checks, handouts, and free mortgages like the Democrats.


No, the GOP has to offer something better. Before LBJ, black americans did vote more for republicans. LBJ's reasons for supporting civil rights were manipulative and political-he wanted to deliver black voters to his party, and he succeeded. He was a racist himself.

Welfare is a trap. Anyone who has been on it for any length of time knows that. It keeps you from being able to afford to get out of poverty-it keeps you from starving to death, but doesn't give recipients much incentive to improve their lives.

Education is the key to equality. Schools in black communities suck. States should crack down on the districts, by watching the money they give out and ensuring it is spent as it is supposed to be spent. If the GOP were to find a way to reinvent public education in a way that directly benefitted all american students, even those in poor and minority communities, they could make some serious inroads. But the GOP would have to do so without mixing religion into the improvements-don't make it into an program to teach fairy tales as fact in science class and force public school children to pray to Jesus every morning.

Another way to make inroads with black voters would be to look at environmentalism from a different standpoint. The city I work in, Detroit, is about 80% black in population. Between the lead problems (not just from paint, but from old smelts and other sources having to do with manufacturing) and other chemicals that affect the areas where poor minorities live, there are other issues to look at here.

Lead poisoning is a good example of an environmental threat that substantially affects those who are exposed to it. It lowers IQs, and it has an impact on the scores and abilities of the kids in school districts where many of the children have been exposed to it.

There are parts of Detroit where there are noticable high rates of certain conditions in children-the area off E. Jefferson by the Chrysler plant at one point in the early 90s had a large number of children with cerebral palsy. People who live downwind from the garbage incinerator have a tendency to get asthma.

Most health conditions affect black people more seriously than white people-diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. My family is one with diabetics who live to be 80 something and never lose toes or fingers or go blind from it. My best friend's mother started going blind in her 50s and has lost a couple of toes in her 60s. Her mom doesn't do things to make it worse, either-she eats healthy food, is not overweight, doesn't smoke or drink, and so on. I've noticed that my black coworkers who are diabetics also have far more complications from it than the average white diabetic.

Also, crime. It is very difficult to address the crime numbers in black communities without sounding racist, but it needs to be done. Black people are the victims of most of these crimes, not just the perps. There are far more victims than perps. A lot of people in Detroit are tired of hiding in their houses, and are looking for some leadership in this area, too.

All of these issues are things that will not be resolved by blaming the victims. Also, blaming Kwame or Coleman will also get you no where-there are lots of things both men were and are responsible for, but the environmental issues predate either of their administrations-the incinerator is Coleman's fault, though, as it was his project. The problems need to be resolved, shifting the blame doesn't change anything.

If the GOP could reinvent itself as the party of practical solutions for the issues that are most affecting minority americans (and poor americans in general), they could make strides with minority voters.


Every community has different issues, I just know the issues in the Detroit area. If the local republican party chapters were to take on some of these

AmPat
11-10-2008, 07:28 PM
Actually - the Democrats simply reiterated a fact. In their guts - every American voter knew it to be true. This upcoming administration will be little more than the taking out of a mountain of trash.

Care to specify? The trash of tax roll backs? The trash of no attacks on US interests? Maybe the trash of welfare rolls? The trash blowing across our unprotected borders? Let's get down to details. What is it that you are calling trash? There is plenty to choose from so don't use the "I hate Bush" cop out. That is much too general, get specific.

Molon Labe
11-10-2008, 09:06 PM
If they ever pull their collective heads from their ass...yes.

Bravo!
My sentiments exactly

Constitutionally Speaking
11-11-2008, 08:56 AM
No, the GOP has to offer something better. Before LBJ, black americans did vote more for republicans. LBJ's reasons for supporting civil rights were manipulative and political-he wanted to deliver black voters to his party, and he succeeded. He was a racist himself.

Welfare is a trap. Anyone who has been on it for any length of time knows that. It keeps you from being able to afford to get out of poverty-it keeps you from starving to death, but doesn't give recipients much incentive to improve their lives.

The GOP KNOWS this and has tried to educate people on this but the press and the "poverty pimps" in the Democrat party and the "community activists" and "black leaders" drown out any real attempt at dialog with charges of racism and by stoking the fires of hate and envy.


Education is the key to equality. Schools in black communities suck. States should crack down on the districts, by watching the money they give out and ensuring it is spent as it is supposed to be spent. If the GOP were to find a way to reinvent public education in a way that directly benefitted all american students, even those in poor and minority communities, they could make some serious inroads. But the GOP would have to do so without mixing religion into the improvements-don't make it into an program to teach fairy tales as fact in science class and force public school children to pray to Jesus every morning.

Again, by manipulation of the people, the press and the aformentioned groups (especially the unions) have prevented school choice initiatives from becoming widespread. They also demonized President Bush for No Child Left Behind - AND claimed he didn't fund education - despite the MASSIVE increases in education funding under his administration. The TRUTH just doesn't stand a chance when the "independent" press simply refuses to cover it.




Also, crime. It is very difficult to address the crime numbers in black communities without sounding racist, but it needs to be done. Black people are the victims of most of these crimes, not just the perps. There are far more victims than perps. A lot of people in Detroit are tired of hiding in their houses, and are looking for some leadership in this area, too.


Yet every time anyone mentions the real cure or tries to implement them, the same groups mentioned above scream bloody murder and racism. Look at what happened in New York under Rudy. He was very successful, in reducing crime, yet is demonized by many of the groups that benefited the most.


All of these issues are things that will not be resolved by blaming the victims. Also, blaming Kwame or Coleman will also get you no where-there are lots of things both men were and are responsible for, but the environmental issues predate either of their administrations-the incinerator is Coleman's fault, though, as it was his project. The problems need to be resolved, shifting the blame doesn't change anything.

No one is blaming the victims - except for the fact they keep voting for politicians who are a major part of the problem. The pollution may predate Coleman Young but he was responsible for driving business out of the city and he was responsible for GOBS of corruption.


If the GOP could reinvent itself as the party of practical solutions for the issues that are most affecting minority americans (and poor americans in general), they could make strides with minority voters.

They have practical solutions, but the general populace gets sidetracked by hysterical accusations of - he once sold a teddy bear made in China - or he is a religious zealot charges. The unions do their smears and the press refuses to report the truth and thus the cycle continues. How is this REAL change supposed to get started when the liberal groups shout it down and the press only tells people one side of the equation?? THis is not to argue that the GOP does not need to get it's act together - because it certainly does, but they DO have some of the solutions to these problems but are thwarted at every step by the activist groups and media sabotage/disinterest.


Every community has different issues, I just know the issues in the Detroit area. If the local republican party chapters were to take on some of these

They have solutions to quite a few of these issues (not all), but they never get implemented because the liberals demonize them when they try.

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 10:16 AM
That is much too general, get specific.

P1: GITMO.

zBoots
11-11-2008, 10:29 AM
P1: GITMO.

LOL,
You've got to be kidding me.

That is your major issue? The treatment of terrorists?

No one in any sane state of mind voted based on that issue. That is strictly a far left issue. No one else gives a rats ass about Gitmo.

I've heard people talk about gas prices, mortgage crises, hell, a closing starbucks.

I've NEVER heard anyone in a real life face to face conversation whine about Gitmo.

No one cares.

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 10:48 AM
No one cares.

People from foreign countries - investors from foreign countries - people with real financial cloutin our economic wellbeing, think differently.

GITMO has out-lived its purpose. Try the inmates - prosecute the inmates - hold them in legal federal prisons - or let the mother-fuckers go.

This issue was initially justified. Now it’s simply an international embarrassment.

zBoots
11-11-2008, 10:54 AM
People from foreign countries - investors from foreign countries - people with real financial cloutin our economic wellbeing, think differently.

GITMO has out-lived its purpose. Try the inmates - prosecute the inmates - hold them in legal federal prisons - or let the mother-fuckers go.

This issue was initially justified. Now it’s simply an international embarrassment.

Youre not actually posting that you think Gitmo weighs on our financial markets and institutions?

Where did you get that information from? RoseColoredGlasses.com?

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 11:13 AM
Youre not actually posting that you think Gitmo weighs on our financial markets and institutions?

Re-read my first paragraph for a clue. People from overseas view our wars and presence in the Middle East and elsewhere as nothing but one waged against Islam.

patriot45
11-11-2008, 11:31 AM
P1: GITMO.

You lefties are whacky whacky! From Neal;


Under an Obama plan, hundreds of imprisoned terrorism suspects could face criminal trials in the US. Others would be released. And some of the cases which carry highly classified information may end up going to a new court, designed by Obama advisors, which would be equipped to handle sensitive national security cases. You heard it, a new court system.

Here we see Obama running into some realities that he couldn't admit to during the campaign. If you bring these Islamic goons into this country they are immediately vested with full Constitutional rights. This means that if you put them on trial for their barbarism they get full rights of discovery .. the right to look into the government case, investigate and cross-examine the witnesses against them, file discovery motions and the rest of it. Our security operations will be greatly jeopardized and hampered by this nonsense ... but Obama has an irresponsible campaign pledge to fulfill. Let's see if he suddenly gets smart on this one

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 11:38 AM
You lefties are whacky whacky!

Ask yourself, even after $11,000,000,000 in direct foreign aid, Pakistan still isn’t towing the line. They see our invasions as a war against Islam.

zBoots
11-11-2008, 11:39 AM
Re-read my first paragraph for a clue. People from overseas view our wars and presence in the Middle East and elsewhere as nothing but one waged against Islam.

Actually, you are completely off base of the point you were really making. Allow me to assist you in getting back on track.

The discussion had taken a turn, you laid down the bait about American Voters wanting the "Trash taken out".

In their guts - every American voter knew it to be true. This upcoming administration will be little more than the taking out of a mountain of trash.

You were then asked for specifics, because of your propensity to over generalize.

You replied

P1: GITMO.

Thats P1. You didnt say P3,559. You said P1.

OK, now that you are back on track with the conversation, I ask again, do you have anything to support that the AMERICAN electorate voted focussed on Gitmo?

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 11:40 AM
You lefties are whacky whacky! From Neal;

Hey!!! Carefull!!!!! I've got a pending copyright on that term, although I may have to share part of the royalties with MrsSmith. :D

zBoots
11-11-2008, 11:43 AM
Bottom line:
No mortgage crisis, No Financial Crunch
No obama.

No one gives a flying rats ass about your liberal BS other than your base, who would never vote GOP anyway.

Obama could not have beaten the worst Republican Candidate since the 40's without that. As it was, only a few million measley votes. Even we couldnt stand McCain, and he almost pulled it off.

You have a tenuous grasp on power. So "get ruled" by your messiah with caution.

Also, all these minorities who registered and voted for the first time,

They wont even vote for Obama again, once they realize he is not their "negga" in the white house and he is not going to be giving them any thing. They got their hands out. WHen their hands get crapped on, you dont get those voters again.

patriot45
11-11-2008, 12:05 PM
Hey!!! Carefull!!!!! I've got a pending copyright on that term, although I may have to share part of the royalties with MrsSmith. :D

Sorry!:D Couldn't resist at least I think I made a point.
Next time you'll get credit!

jinxmchue
11-11-2008, 12:24 PM
Short and sweet: Will people of color ever vote for the Republican Party again? :confused:

You racist fuck. Get the fuck off the internet now. Criminy! Do you ever think before you post? No, obviously not or you wouldn't post such stupid ass crap. Do you think one of us conservatives could get away with asking such a question? Of course fucking not! Go fuck yourself. FUCK!

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 12:38 PM
You racist fuck. Get the fuck off the internet now. Criminy! Do you ever think before you post? No, obviously not or you wouldn't post such stupid ass crap. Do you think one of us conservatives could get away with asking such a question? Of course fucking not! Go fuck yourself. FUCK!

Priceless. :p

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 12:43 PM
You racist fuck. Get the fuck off the internet now. Criminy! Do you ever think before you post? No, obviously not or you wouldn't post such stupid ass crap. Do you think one of us conservatives could get away with asking such a question? Of course fucking not! Go fuck yourself. FUCK!

A well-reasoned and thoughtful response, Jinx -- one certainly worthy of you and several others around here. However, you're incorrect in that many conservatives are asking that very question very publicly. It's a perfectly valid question, as, ignoring this election for the moment, R's are typically getting 10% or less of the black vote.

The broader question is where will the R's get the votes in the future. The demographics of this election show black and hispanic support trending towards the D's. The younger vote is solidly in the D camp. Where are the votes going to come from to elect R's? You can only turn out so much of the "base," a base that as the country becomes more urban is rapidly shrinking.

Look at the states that went R in this election. All were in the traditional South and the sparsely populated western states. VA went D for the first time since 64. There are no longer any R members of the House from the New England states. The trend in all urban centers is solidly D.

Where are the votes going to come from?

M21
11-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Obama could not have beaten the worst Republican Candidate since the 40's without that. As it was, only a few million measley votes. Even we couldnt stand McCain, and he almost pulled it off.

QFT - I salute you!

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Go fuck yourself. FUCK!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:cK4yiXuswjH6uM:http://www.snowsoft.co.nz/graphic/photos/kv_goat01.jpg

(look what I got!)

BadCat
11-11-2008, 12:47 PM
Blacks have never voted Republican, they never will. We have won without them, we will win without them again.

patriot45
11-11-2008, 12:48 PM
A well-reasoned and thoughtful response, Jinx -- one certainly worthy of you and several others around here. However, you're incorrect in that many conservatives are asking that very question very publicly. It's a perfectly valid question, as, ignoring this election for the moment, R's are typically getting 10% or less of the black vote.

The broader question is where will the R's get the votes in the future. The demographics of this election show black and hispanic support trending towards the D's. The younger vote is solidly in the D camp. Where are the votes going to come from to elect R's? You can only turn out so much of the "base," a base that as the country becomes more urban is rapidly shrinking.

Look at the states that went R in this election. All were in the traditional South and the sparsely populated western states. VA went D for the first time since 64. There are no longer any R members of the House from the New England states. The trend in all urban centers is solidly D.

Where are the votes going to come from?

I know, I know, pick me!!!

We will hire ACORN!!! :D

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 12:51 PM
I know, I know, pick me!!!

We will hire ACORN!!! :D

Best idea so far!!! :D

zBoots
11-11-2008, 12:51 PM
A well-reasoned and thoughtful response, Jinx -- one certainly worthy of you and several others around here. However, you're incorrect in that many conservatives are asking that very question very publicly. It's a perfectly valid question, as, ignoring this election for the moment, R's are typically getting 10% or less of the black vote.

The broader question is where will the R's get the votes in the future. The demographics of this election show black and hispanic support trending towards the D's. The younger vote is solidly in the D camp. Where are the votes going to come from to elect R's? You can only turn out so much of the "base," a base that as the country becomes more urban is rapidly shrinking.

Look at the states that went R in this election. All were in the traditional South and the sparsely populated western states. VA went D for the first time since 64. There are no longer any R members of the House from the New England states. The trend in all urban centers is solidly D.

Where are the votes going to come from?

I think it is quite probable that ObamaX is simply a novelty. I think/hope 1 and done.. but at MOST, he goes after 2.

There is a ebb and flow of politics. It is natural Despite LoganPapa's naive-new-to-politics type assertions, the sky is not falling for the Republican Party.

The democRats have a lot of hype to live up to. They literally invented a messiah. Also, it cannot be denied that at this point, much of the public lost faith in the GOP. So we helped the messiah. If the Rats fail to live up to the hype they invented, they are done. We dont need to reinvent ourselves to cater to minorities. They already have much of the same beliefs, as evidenced by their votes on gay marriage. They do not support the progressive platform. We need to go back to our GOP roots.

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Blacks have never voted Republican, they never will. We have won without them, we will win without them again.

How? Get the hispanic vote? What was the census report projection -- 2040? when whites will be the minority.

BadCat
11-11-2008, 12:55 PM
How? Get the hispanic vote? What was the census report projection -- 2040? when whites will be the minority.

What would you have us do to get their votes?
Give everybody everything for free? Because that is what they want.

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 01:00 PM
There is a ebb and flow of politics. It is natural Despite LoganPapa's naive-new-to-politics type assertions, the sky is not falling for the Republican Party.

History is cyclonic. George W. Bush will be remembered as is Herbert Clark Hoover. Put that in your naiveté.:cool:

zBoots
11-11-2008, 01:04 PM
How? Get the hispanic vote? What was the census report projection -- 2040? when whites will be the minority.

The same way we have won in the past, and the same way O won this time - the swing voter.

The bobblehead novelty of Obama will not last. The partisan democrat will always vote D, and they are not relevant.

The entire premise is off base and anyone who thinks the GOP is done simply has never picked up a book and read anything about politics.

Obama has some big time problems ahead of him, a political landscape filled with land mines, very real enemies, a tanking economy, a war, a world filled with people bent on destroying the USA, 8% of the popluation looking at him with their hands out, no money to give them, and 2 years worth of hype to live up to.

You guys should be asking, how on earth could the rats possibly succeed in the future? Obama may well set race relations, his own party, and this entire country back decades.

zBoots
11-11-2008, 01:06 PM
History is cyclonic. George W. Bush will be remembered as is Herbert Clark Hoover. Put that in your naiveté.:cool:

Maybe or he could get a Truman treatment. That remains to be seen. If Obama allows another 911, then what gets said about Bush policies, that all but completely stopped terrorism on our soil?

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 01:08 PM
If Obama allows another 911, then what gets said about Bush policies, that all but completely stopped terrorism on our soil?

"Allows?" Did GWB allow 9/11 to happen? You're not one of those, are you?;)

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 01:12 PM
The same way we have won in the past, and the same way O won this time - the swing voter.

The bobblehead novelty of Obama will not last. The partisan democrat will always vote D, and they are not relevant.

The entire premise is off base and anyone who thinks the GOP is done simply has never picked up a book and read anything about politics.

Obama has some big time problems ahead of him, a political landscape filled with land mines, very real enemies, a tanking economy, a war, a world filled with people bent on destroying the USA, 8% of the popluation looking at him with their hands out, no money to give them, and 2 years worth of hype to live up to.

You guys should be asking, how on earth could the rats possibly succeed in the future? Obama may well set race relations, his own party, and this entire country back decades.

I agree with you that the GOP is "not finished" and that reading that anyone reading that out of this election is wrong. However, the serious question still remains, "where will the votes come from?" I also agree that the swing vote, those people who call themselves "moderates" or "independents" are the key, but that group of people is reviled by many here and by the Palin-wing of the party. Do you really think any true moderate is going to vote for a Palin ticket (or a ticket espousing Palin's views)?

zBoots
11-11-2008, 01:12 PM
"Allows?" Did GWB allow 9/11 to happen? You're not one of those, are you?;)

Well, we'll have to see, based on the facts, if he allows it. We'll see what changes he makes to our national security and our war on terror and weigh the evidence, if it happens.

zBoots
11-11-2008, 01:15 PM
I agree with you that the GOP is "not finished" and that reading that anyone reading that out of this election is wrong. However, the serious question still remains, "where will the votes come from?" I also agree that the swing vote, those people who call themselves "moderates" or "independents" are the key, but that group of people is reviled by many here and by the Palin-wing of the party. Do you really think any true moderate is going to vote for a Palin ticket (or a ticket espousing Palin's views)?

Of course they would. IMO, the vast majority of moderates are fiscally and socially more right leaning on most issues.

Cold Warrior
11-11-2008, 01:21 PM
Of course they would. IMO, the vast majority of moderates are fiscally and socially more right leaning on most issues.

Fiscally, yes; socially, no. Look at how voters rate the importance of social issues, including abortion, gay marriage, abstinence education -- virtually no interest. Remember, most women today of child-bearing age have never lived in a country wherein abortion is illegal. Anti-gay marriage won the day last week, primarily on the backs of hispanics, blacks, and Mormons, so that may be an area wherein the social conservatives can capitalize. But, on the whole, most people just want government out of their personal lives and don't really give a FF what others do in the bedroom.

And, after the Bush administration's fiscal achievements, who's going to trust the R's to be fiscally conservative anymore.

RobJohnson
11-11-2008, 01:22 PM
The time of the Republican has passed.



You are right, not one single Republican was elected last Tuesday. :rolleyes:

zBoots
11-11-2008, 01:23 PM
Fiscally, yes; socially, no. Look at how voters rate the importance of social issues, including abortion, gay marriage, abstinence education -- virtually no interest.


exactly.



Remember, most women today of child-bearing age have never lived in a country wherein abortion is illegal. Anti-gay marriage won the day last week, primarily on the backs of hispanics, blacks, and Mormons, so that may be an area wherein the social conservatives can capitalize. But, on the whole, most people just want government out of their personal lives and don't really give a FF what others do in the bedroom.

And, after the Bush administration's fiscal achievements, who's going to trust the R's to be fiscally conservative anymore.

Well, luckily for us, our competition are democrats.

LogansPapa
11-11-2008, 01:23 PM
And, after the Bush administration's fiscal achievements, who's going to trust the R's to be fiscally conservative anymore.

:eek::eek::eek: um..........like wow.;)

RobJohnson
11-11-2008, 01:52 PM
Blacks have never voted Republican, they never will. We have won without them, we will win without them again.


Obama had help from some other folks also.....


“It would be no exaggeration to say that we Arabs and Muslims were the main unseen voters who decided the outcome of these elections,” wrote Abdelbari Atwan in Wednesday’s issue of the London-based pan-Arab daily newspaper Al Quds Al Arabi.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/world/middleeast/08jihadi.html?_r=2&ref=politics&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

AmPat
11-11-2008, 10:25 PM
P1: GITMO.
It's a PRISON. It is not a DIMocRAT talking point. They eat better than ever. They live cleaner than ever. We took their freedom because they were involved in killing our people. They are in a PRISON. The prison is in CUBA. Why would moving them to another PRISON in a different location be any different? You are getting enough sleep aren't you?:cool:

jinxmchue
11-12-2008, 12:07 PM
A local person of color that happens to be a radio host said that "the Republican Convention looked like a big glass of buttermilk with a few raisins in it" and that may be a fairly accurate interpretation of your party's reality.

That's because you're a bunch of racist asshats.

"The Obama White House will look like a big pile of shit with a few marshmallows stuck in it."

Or how about...

"The Obama White House will look like a packed chimpanzee cage with a few albino chimps in it."