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megimoo
11-08-2008, 09:38 PM
At least 20 die in accident on Russian nuclear sub

"More than 20 people were killed on a nuclear submarine in the Pacific Ocean during routine testing as a result of the (unsanctioned/Faulty release of gas) functioning of the fire extinguishing systems,"some of them from a shipbuilding company, he added.The state-owned RIA news agency quoted a highly placed official in the Pacific Fleet as saying the accident happened in the bow of the submarine.

"Sounds like a brand new ballistic nuclear sub had a release of heavy fire extinguishing gas in the bow section during a shakeDown cruise and over 20 of the crew suffocated !"

Inside Russian nuclear sub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CNR6LS0YRo

The Russian navy announced recently that it will introduce a new long-range ballistic nuclear missile on submarines next year. The Bulava-M has been developed for a fleet of new strategic nuclear submarines. Another 21 were injured when the extinguishing system failed ( to work) during sea trials,

- At least 20 people have died and 21 been injured in an accident on board a Russian nuclear-powered submarine in the Pacific Ocean, a Russian naval spokesman said on Sunday.

Radiation levels on board were normal, he said.
The latest incident comes as Moscow is ramping up defence spending and projecting its sea power into the world’s major oceans, even though its equipment is badly maintained.

The submarine, whose name and class have not been revealed, has been ordered to suspend sea trials and return to port in the far eastern Primorye territory, Captain Dygalo said.

Russia's navy has suffered a string of fatal accidents, including the loss of the Kursk nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea in August 2000. All 118 sailors aboard died.

"More than 20 people were killed on a nuclear submarine in the Pacific Ocean during routine testing as a result of the unsanctioned functioning of the fire extinguishing systems," the navy spokesman, Igor Dygalo, said by telephone.

Dygalo did not give the name of the submarine or specify where it was located. There were 208 people on board at the time of Saturday's accident, some of them from a shipbuilding company, he added.

"The reactor section (of the submarine) is working properly," the spokesman said. "The radiation levels on the ship are normal."

A Russian destroyer, the Admiral Tributs, was providing assistance and taking some of the injured crew from the submarine to port, Dygalo said.

He did not say where the ships were but the Tributs is normally based at Vladivostok, Russia's main Far Eastern naval port, according to Russian media.

President Dmitry Medvedev has been informed about the accident, Russian news agencies reported.

In August 2005, seven Russian sailors were freed with help from a British rescue crew after three days trapped inside an AS-28 mini-submarine 600 feet down in the Pacific with dwindling air supplies

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4A738V20081109?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

OwlMBA
11-08-2008, 09:48 PM
Wow. That Russia is a real military threat to the West. :rolleyes:

YupItsMe
11-08-2008, 10:04 PM
Wow. That Russia is a real military threat to the West. :rolleyes:

It really only takes one operable ICBM to make a really bad day for millions of Americans, dork. I'm sure out of their thousands they could get one to fly straight

megimoo
11-08-2008, 11:09 PM
It really only takes one operable ICBM to make a really bad day for millions of Americans, dork. I'm sure out of their thousands they could get one to fly straight
It will be interesting just how effective this new Russian Boomber is at launching ICBM'S underwater .All of their early missile subs required surface launches and used liquid fueled missiles.This one has a new solid fuel missile and booster system.These systems must be MIRVed by now and at the first launch they are dead meat.Our Milstar satellite system would spot the flash and automatically track the exact launch point and plot an intercept for the ABM systems and also nail the subs exact location for a counter strike................A D5 ICBM will ruin your whole day !

M21
11-09-2008, 02:23 AM
Rest in Peace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GejZj4h2c

megimoo
11-09-2008, 08:30 AM
Russia: 20 suffocate in nuclear sub accident

One of Russia's Shchuka (Pike) class (NATO reporting name: Akula) nuclear submarines, believed to be … MOSCOW – A new Russian submarine's fire safety system malfunctioned as the nuclear-powered vessel took a test run in the Sea of Japan, suffocating 20 people and sending 21 others to the hospital, officials said Sunday.Lev Fyodorov, a top Russian chemical expert, said Freon pushed oxygen out, causing those inside to die of suffocation.

Russian news agencies quoted officials at the Amur Shipbuilding Factory as saying the submarine was built there and is called the Nerpa.

Construction of the Nerpa, an Akula II class attack submarine, started in 1991 but was suspended for years because of a shortage of funding, they said. Testing on the submarine began last month and it submerged for the first time last week.

It was Russia's worst naval accident since torpedo explosions sank another nuclear-powered submarine, the Kursk, in the Barents Sea in 2000, killing all 118 seamen aboard.

The victims suffocated Saturday after the submarine's fire-extinguishing system accidentally turned on and released Freon gas, said Sergei Markin, an official with Russia's top investigative agency. He said forensic tests found Freon in the victims' lungs.

The submarine itself was not damaged and traveled back to its base on Russia's Pacific coast under its own power Sunday, Russian navy spokesman Capt. Igor Dygalo said.

The nuclear reactor that powers the sub was operating normally and radiation levels in the sub were also normal, Dygalo said. He said the accident affected two sections of the submarine closest to the bow.

Seventeen civilians and three seamen died in the accident and 21 others were hospitalized after being evacuated to a destroyer that brought them to shore, Markin said in a statement, revising earlier casualty figures.

Lev Fyodorov, a top Russian chemical expert, said Freon pushed oxygen out, causing those inside to die of suffocation. He also said the scarce official information was making it difficult to understand exactly what happened on the submarine.

It wasn't immediately clear why personnel affected failed to activate the individual breathing kits they were supposed to have, he said.

Markin's agency has launched a probe into the accident, which he said will focus on what activated the firefighting system and possible violations of operating rules.

The submarine returned to Bolshoi Kamen, a military shipyard and a navy base near Vladivostok. Russian television stations broadcast the footage of the submarine sailing toward the harbor.

Dygalo said the submarine had 208 people aboard, including 81 servicemen, and was to be commissioned by the navy later this year.

Russian news agencies quoted officials at the Amur Shipbuilding Factory as saying the submarine was built there and is called the Nerpa.

Construction of the Nerpa, an Akula II class attack submarine, started in 1991 but was suspended for years because of a shortage of funding, they said. Testing on the submarine began last month and it submerged for the first time last week.

First Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Kolmakov and navy chief Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky were heading for the Pacific Coast in the wake of the accident, Dygalo said.

Saturday's accident came as the Kremlin is seeking to restore Russia's naval reach, part of a drive to show off the nuclear-armed country's clout amid strained ties with the West. A naval squadron is heading to Venezuela for joint exercises this month in a show of force near U.S. waters.

Despite a major boost in military spending during Vladimir Putin's eight years as president, Russia's military is still hampered by decrepit infrastructure, aging weapons and problems with corruption and incompetence.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_re_eu/eu_russia_submarine

megimoo
11-09-2008, 08:32 AM
Sunday, November 9, 2008
Freon Gas Kills Worker ................This stuff is dangerous on a submarine !

A Freon gas leak aboard a submarine at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard here killed one worker Monday and injured at least seven people, officials said. The leak was aboard the Jack, which was here for overhauling. Patrick McCabe of Dover, N.H., 24 years old, was pronounced dead at Portsmouth Hospital after he inhaled Freon gas, the authorities said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE0DF1E39F935A35757C0A9659482 60

SarasotaRepub
11-09-2008, 09:08 AM
Wow. That Russia is a real military threat to the West. :rolleyes:

That's an oversimplification Beebs, new sub on shakedown, I wouldn't write-off the commies ability just because of this.

Now if they install screen windows...

megimoo
11-09-2008, 09:39 AM
That's an oversimplification Beebs, new sub on shakedown, I wouldn't write-off the commies ability just because of this.

Now if they install screen windows...
This sub was a new Akula class Boomber that they had partially built before they went broke.It Is a proven design and an workable sub.Not anywhere near as good as our Ballistic subs but fair.

If they are able to fit their new solid fuel Missiles to them they should be able to launch under water but counting on past Russian screw ups I wouldn't bet on it .Most of their sub fleet is rusting away in out of the way shipyards so they have perhaps twenty diesel Hunter/Killer and ten Boomers with liquid fueled missiles in the sub Fleet as of now.We have fourteen Boombers and four

Russia has removed most of the nuclear fuel from the older bombers hulks and has it stored at naval base at Vladivostok in a big and dangerous Nuclear dump !

Russia has to worry about China's Subs right at their back doors more than the worry about ours.We are ,for now,so far advanced to both Russia and China in underseas warefare in the short term but we to keep an eye on both of them especially China !If any country comes after us in a 'sneak attack' it will be China !

megimoo
11-09-2008, 10:37 AM
Google Earth Captures China's New Ballistic-Missile Sub

Google Inc. is offering a rare public glimpse of China's new ballistic-missile submarine, according to a researcher at the Federation of American Scientists.

"The new submarine was photographed by the commercial Quickbird satellite in late 2006 and the image is freely available on the Google Earth Web site," wrote Hans Kristensen on the Strategic Security Blog.
http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/07/new_chinese_ballistic_missile.php

If you want to see more unusual images captured by Google Earth check out PC World's image gallery on strange sights in Google Earth.

Kristensen identified the submarine, pictured alongside a naval pier, as a Jin-class vessel, one of five that China is expected to build.

Comparing the Google Earth image with a picture of China's existing Xia-class submarine, Kristensen was able to discern some of the features of the new submarine.

"The Jin-class appears to be approximately 35 feet (10 meters) longer than the Xia-class [submarine], primarily due to an extended mid-section of approximately 115 feet (35 meters) that houses the missile launch tubes and part of the reactor compartment," Kristensen wrote.

But the picture was not clear enough to resolve a debate over whether the Jin-class submarine has tubes for 12 or 16 nuclear-tipped missiles.

Discovery of the submarine image is likely to cause consternation within China's military, which generally keeps as low a profile as possible. If so, it wouldn't be the first time that Google Earth has caused worry inside China's government. In 2006, government officials reportedly expressed concerns over Google Earth imagery of the Zhongnanhai leadership compound in Beijing, an area normally off limits to prying public eyes.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/134259/google_earth_captures_chinas_new_ballisticmissile_ sub.html

Comments:Google Earth These Locations for more !

G: Found some other subs at lat: 36° 6′14.78″N, long: 120°34′43.61″E. I don’t think they are related. Does anyone have coordinates for the JIN-class?

Reply: The coordinates for the Jin-class are in the caption to the top image on this blog. The others subs you mention are at Jianggezhuang Submarine Base. I describe the facility in my blog as the location of the dry dock with the Xia-class. Note also that Jianggezhuang has a large underground facility, which I described in another blog last February.

For other chinese submarine sites, check these locations:

* Lushun Naval Base (38°47′50.78″N, 121°14′38.72″E)
* Bohai (Huludao) Shipyard (40°43′5.04″N, 120°59′45.69″E)
* Qingdao Naval Shipyard (36° 4′25.36″N, 120°18′21.47″E)
* Qingdao Naval Base (36° 5′44.19″N, 120°18′47.24″E)
* Zhenhai Naval Base (29°53′53.12″N, 121°57′55.87″E)
* Xizhou Naval Base (29°32′8.64″N, 121°46′13.22″E)

The naval base on the southern tip of Hainan Peninsula ( 18°12′30.06″N, 109°40′48.62″E) does not show submarines yet, but has interesting features including a large sea-entrance into an underground facility. A Han-class SSN has been photographed at the base in the past. HK

Zathras
11-09-2008, 01:25 PM
The Akula-II is an attack sub, not a boomer.

http://docfoualier.free.fr/Publishing/akulaII.jpg

megimoo
11-09-2008, 03:08 PM
The Akula-II is an attack sub, not a boomer.

http://docfoualier.free.fr/Publishing/akulaII.jpg

You are correct .I just found that out .


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The Akula-II class of nuclear subs, a late Soviet-era design, are able to dive deeper, more than 600 meters, run more silently than previous attack subs, and move at speeds up to 33 knots while fully submerged.

The Nerpa will not be equipped with the Akula class sub's standard complement of long-range cruise missiles, due to international strictures on proliferation of missile technology, says Pavel Felgenhauer, military expert with the independent Novaya Gazeta newspaper in Moscow. But Indian media have reported that the Indian Navy may install indigenous nuclear-capable missiles, and use its operational experience with the Nerpa to help develop Indian-built nuclear-powered subs.

The Nerpa's patchwork history may have contributed to Saturday's disaster. "They are using bits of Soviet equipment and hardware, brushing off the rust and putting in new stuff," says Mr. Felgenhauer. "That's just not a good way to develop operational equipment."

Moreover, Russia's military establishment has a crushing shortage of qualified experts. "That submarine was being constructed over a period of 15 years, and was the only one being built at the Amur shipyard during that time," says Alexander Goltz, a military expert with the online newspaper Yezhednevnaya Gazeta. "How many of the original specialists and skilled workers would have stayed on during that period? Very few. Everything conspired to make that ship very vulnerable."

Captain Dyagalo said that 208 people were aboard the Nerpa at the time, including 81 servicemen plus naval technicians and workers from the Komsomolsk-na-Amur shipyard. Fourteen civilians were among the dead, he said.

Initial reports indicated that the accident resulted from a malfunction of the Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) system, which is used to quickly suffocate a major fire with a stream of a freon mixture.

The foam is only supposed to be released when a submarine compartment is engulfed in flames.

Any contact with it will kill an unprotected person instantly.

"[The Nerpa incident] is a completely abnormal kind of accident, not the sort of thing that's ever supposed to happen aboard a submarine," says Mr. Goltz.


"But they do always seem to happen especially at the most inopportune time !"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1110/p04s01-woeu.html