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megimoo
11-09-2008, 02:34 PM
A brawl erupted between rival monks at one of Christianity's holiest sites, and Israeli police detained two clergymen for questioning.

Christian monks brawl at holy site JERUSALEM — Israeli police rushed into one of Christianity's holiest churches Sunday and arrested two clergyman after an argument between monks erupted into a brawl next to the site of Jesus' tomb.

The clash between Armenian and Greek Orthodox monks broke out in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, revered as the site of Jesus' crucifixion, burial and resurrection.

The brawling began during a procession of Armenian clergymen commemorating the fourth-century discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.

The Greeks objected to the march without one of their monks present, fearing that otherwise, the procession would subvert their own claim to the Edicule — the ancient structure built on what is believed to be the tomb of Jesus — and give the Armenians a claim to the site.

The Armenians refused, and when they tried to march the Greek Orthodox monks blocked their way, sparking the brawl.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said police were forced to intervene after fighting was reported. They arrested two monks, one from each side, he said.

A bearded Armenian monk in a red-and-pink robe and a black-clad Greek Orthodox monk with a bloody gash on his forehead were both taken away in handcuffs after scuffling with dozens of riot police.

Six Christian sects divide control of the ancient church. They regularly fight over turf and influence, and Israeli police are occasionally forced to intervene.

"We were keeping resistance so that the procession could not pass through ... and establish a right that they don't have," said a young Greek Orthodox monk with a cut next to his left eye.

The monk, who gave his name as Serafim, said he sustained the wound when an Armenian punched him from behind and broke his glasses.

Father Pakrat of the Armenian Patriarchate said the Greek demand was "against the status quo arrangement and against the internal arrangement of the Holy Sepulcher." He said the Greeks attacked first.

Archbishop Aristarchos, the chief secretary of the Greek Orthodox patriarchate, denied his monks initiated the violence.

After the brawl, the church was crowded with Israeli riot police holding assault rifles, standing beside Golgotha, where Jesus is believed to have been crucified, and the long smooth stone marking the place where tradition holds his body was laid out.

The feud is only one of a bewildering array of rivalries among churchmen in the Holy Sepulcher.

The Israeli government has long wanted to build a fire exit in the church, which regularly fills with thousands of pilgrims and has only one main door, but the sects cannot agree where the exit will be built.

A ladder placed on a ledge over the entrance sometime in the 19th century has remained there ever since because of a dispute over who has the authority to take it down.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6103129.html

Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 03:45 PM
Jesus wept.

The thought of these monks on a rampage is hilarious though.

zBoots
11-09-2008, 03:54 PM
This thread is meaningless without a Utube video of the brawl.

Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 04:00 PM
This thread is meaningless without a Utube video of the brawl.

True.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYB8UFe3m6g

And for God's sake, I hope this is the video and not some other brawl at a holy site. :D

zBoots
11-09-2008, 04:04 PM
Dang that sucked.

Are you sure you didnt google up a No on Prop 8 rally?

Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 04:04 PM
Holy Crap, they fought for ten minutes...:eek:

Another news story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKAT6qThgc

Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 04:05 PM
Dang that sucked.

Are you sure you didnt google up a No on Prop 8 rally?

Positive. No anti-mormon signs. :D

hampshirebrit
11-09-2008, 04:09 PM
And for God's sake, I hope this is the video and not some other brawl at a holy site. :D

It's definitely the right place ... I was there in 05. No brawl then, but I did come away wondering why they call it the Holy Land. Jerusalem is probably one of the most tense places I've ever visited.

LogansPapa
11-09-2008, 07:24 PM
I nearly wept with laughter. Yep - these guys are about Jesus alright.:p:p:p

Celtic Rose
11-09-2008, 07:29 PM
Lord Jesus, have mercy on us all :(

FlaGator
11-10-2008, 09:04 AM
I guess a prayer off just wouldn't have been as entertaining. There is something sad yet amusing about peace loving monks duking it out. I guess they are simply proving Christ's words

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35

megimoo
11-10-2008, 11:00 AM
I guess a prayer off just wouldn't have been as entertaining. There is something sad yet amusing about peace loving monks duking it out. I guess they are simply proving Christ's words

Matthew 10:35These are all petty arguments about jurisdiction and not so much about ritual .A ladder placed on a ledge over the entrance sometime in the 19Th century has remained there ever since because of a dispute over who has the authority to take it down.

Much of the dispute is over prestige .Armenia was the first 'Christian'Country and a Greek, St Stephen, was the first 'Christian Martyr !Armenians are very proud to be the first Christian nation in the world and the Greeks over the first Catholic Deacon St Stephen .

LogansPapa
11-10-2008, 11:29 AM
Humans being human - what a beautiful sight. Almost as good as the Taiwanese government, but that’s just because they throw chairs too. ;)