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Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 11:19 PM
Welcome to Conservative Underground.

Glad you're here.

We are about Truth, Freedom, and the American Way.

Say it straight. Disagree. Talk. Discuss. Hell, even fight.

But One Thing you need to do.......

Cowboy Up......

http://www.cowboyhatinfo.org/images/cowboy_hat_ronald_reagan.jpg


If you can't do that. You can't do much. Here or anywhere else.

Bubba Dawg
11-09-2008, 11:56 PM
I'm glad to have new folk here.

We've just gone through a hard election. We've been through a hard fight. We've got a hard fight before us.

That's okay. Such is the nature of our political system.

We don't mind a fight. We need to look forward. We need to have a strategy to win, but we also need to have a view to our bedrock principles by which we live.

For me, a personification of the things I believe in is the American cowboy. A cowboy does the right thing. A cowboy believes in justice. A cowboy is willing to make a stand.

When I think of cowboys and America, I think of Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan believed in America. He was courageous and willing to make a stand.

There is a term for when a cowboy gets his gear ready to go to work. It is said that he will Cowboy Up.

IMHO, as conservatives, we need to get up, stand up, and...yes...Cowboy Up.

http://www.cowboyhatinfo.org/images/cowboy_hat_ronald_reagan.jpg


When someone tries to sell you something that is patently un-American. Don't accept it. Just reply in the immortal words of the American Cowboy.....Nope.

patriot45
11-09-2008, 11:59 PM
Don't forget to give the resident Libs some love too! They keep us on the straight and narrow!:rolleyes:

Bubba Dawg
11-10-2008, 12:06 AM
Don't forget to give the resident Libs some love too! They keep us on the straight and narrow!:rolleyes:

Hey, I appreciate our Libs who are out in the open. One thing about this place is you can speak freely here.

Honest debate is the key.

I have a notion that there are one or two newbies who aren't so open about their motives. It is to them that I say Cowboy Up.

Beefeater
11-10-2008, 01:47 AM
We've just gone through a hard election. We've been through a hard fight. We've got a hard fight before us. ?

That was no fight, that was a lay down and F-me. If anybody didn't see this coming the night McCain announced on the Leno show they are either blind or stupid or both. The socialists could have run Kookchinich and won this one.

Mccain was the worst possible candidate running the most inept campaign in history, how could you expect any different result? Big Mac was the second coming of Bob Dole, without the warm personality
Sure, cowboy up, but how many times did the loser from Az invoke the principles of Reagan? Not once that I can recall, it was like the greatest President of my lifetime didn't even exist.

And Palin? More of an empty suit than Barry! Better looking maybe, but not ready.

Barry stands a good chance of being the second coming of Jimmy Carter, one and done, but the GOP better get it's act together.

OwlMBA
11-10-2008, 02:07 AM
Aren't you a no0b too? Check my Join Date, b****

:D

Aaron Burr
11-10-2008, 02:12 AM
I'm with Beefy. Except I'm all for cleaning house at the G.O.P. If I could do it with a bunch of bikers swinging chains all the better.

OwlMBA
11-10-2008, 02:15 AM
I'm with Beefy. Except I'm all for cleaning house at the G.O.P. If I could do it with a bunch of bikers swinging chains all the better.

100% Agree

It is time to flush the GOP, top to bottom. Bring in Newt and bring us back to REAL Conservative values. Low taxes, strong military, no government pork spending...... The only thing they need to watch out for is the Moral issues. While I am a strong Christian, anti-abortion, anti stem cell research, etc..... If the GOP started focusing on those issues they will continue to lose. Focus on Fiscal Conservativism and leave morality up to the states and the people and we can win again.

quirites
11-10-2008, 02:16 AM
Sure and begorrah we've proved - as in banana republics, the balkans, and the Euros - that anyone can be a US president.

That is if you forget Carter and Clinton.

In a fair dinkum tsunami of Hollywood gush we just made an utter nobody fearless leader of the free world.

And all the other nobody fearless leaders are going to fall all over each other to be the first to punk him.

Watch.

Aaron Burr
11-10-2008, 02:49 AM
Hey Bubba, what's with the paranoia and Dawgstapo like tactics? Here's my card. http://evilconservatives.org/forums/portal.php

Since we're going to be having our own little pogrom in the G.O.P. we need to compile an enemies list of Party worms that need to be buried back in the mud from whence they squirmed up. We can start with McCain.

Sure, bring Newt back from the dead. Make him an adviser or Party whip, I just don't want him running things. He's got baggage.

We also need more Bill Buckleys and David Mamets. We need to dominate the arena of ideas.

Ree
11-10-2008, 11:02 AM
100% Agree

It is time to flush the GOP, top to bottom. Bring in Newt and bring us back to REAL Conservative values. Low taxes, strong military, no government pork spending...... The only thing they need to watch out for is the Moral issues. While I am a strong Christian, anti-abortion, anti stem cell research, etc..... If the GOP started focusing on those issues they will continue to lose. Focus on Fiscal Conservativism and leave morality up to the states and the people and we can win again.
That will be the only way the GOP will ever win....

Bubba Dawg
11-10-2008, 01:28 PM
Hey, paranoia comes naturally to me. :D

Several responses. Excellent.

That said, we were in a fight. It was a real fight. We lost the national race. But there have been some really difficult Congressional races, hard fought, one of which is going on in my state of Georgia. Saxby Chamblis is in a runoff with Martin for the US Senate.

So we are still in a fight.

I am glad for all newcomers. They stimulate things. Get things going. I like that.

But a few slither in with ulterior motives. It has happened before. It will, no doubt, happen again.

I stand for some bedrock principles. We can differ on issue and that's fine, but there are some things that are foundational. I know I am in good company on this board in that respect.

Here's the rub....

This Board is a microcosm of the larger discussion going on within Conservatism in general, and the Republican Party specifically. (A word here to New Members and anyone else; there are many many people here who vote Republican yet who consider themselves to be members of other groups or parties. There are also conservatives here who may not vote Republican. )

The Republican Party is "Rebuilding the Brand" according to one tag line I saw on a news show. First I hate the notion of the Party being a Brand, but let's just go with that.

What will that entail? When you re-build the Brand you change it. What will those changes be?

I believe in change when change is called for, we changed in the sixties, and in the seventies, and in the nineties, and we will change now, but I also believe that there can be a tendency to make changes merely to get votes and win elections. I want to get votes and win elections, but I do not want us to sacrifice principle on the altar of expediency.

That is a part of an ongoing discussion and really wasn't the focus of my OP.

We have some excellent new posters. I won't name any because I might leave some out, but I am impressed. We also have some who have dropped in and appear to have an agenda for either recruiting for another party or group, or just in suppressing the vote of Republicans or or those who vote with Republicans. I take issue with these posters.

Basically, as just a regular member of this Board, I am making a declaration of principle. Also, as just a regular member of this Board, I am saying that If you are a newcomer with some other political agenda that you speak up about it and don't try to sound Republican while you're talking something else.

I chose the metaphor of a Cowboy from a great retort by one of our regulars to an insult offered by new poster who was, IMHO, trying to sell some variety of Miracle Wheat.

Having said all that, which is more than I usually say, we have many challenges ahead of us, and we have to be prepared.

We have a fight coming up.

Cowboy Up is my own clumsy way of evoking the character I think is needed to face the challenge before us. Hard Work. Courage. Character. A willingness to take a stand.

And when I think of the character of the Cowboy and politics, I can't help but think of Ronald Reagan. Call me sentimental. I'm guilty.

The metaphor isn't the thing. It's the principles on which you stand that are important.

So welcome to all the new posters. I'm glad you're here. Talk. Debate. Argue. Fuss. Enjoy the humor and the spirit of the place. CU isn't a monolith. Lots of viewpoints here. All views, as far as I am concerned, are welcome. Not all views, however, will necessarily be supported.

But Be Yourselves. Stand for what you stand for. We'll talk. Enjoy this place. It's a blast.

But as for me, I'm gonna Cowboy Up.

quirites
11-10-2008, 01:50 PM
You waited til now to Cowboy up?

Got my AR15 years ago - oops - that will surely grate on someone's principles....

I hate the idea of popping a cap on someone but my principles say sell your cloak and buy a sword.

The Left hasn't given up on their orders from Moscow; it is still their goal to institute a police state, which will trigger the great peoples' uprising yada yada wuh wuh.......

You will never get a consensus on principles.

but God bless ya for trying.

Cowboy
11-10-2008, 02:19 PM
Hey, paranoia comes naturally to me. :D

Several responses. Excellent.

That said, we were in a fight. It was a real fight. We lost the national race. But there have been some really difficult Congressional races, hard fought, one of which is going on in my state of Georgia. Saxby Chamblis is in a runoff with Martin for the US Senate.

So we are still in a fight.

I am glad for all newcomers. They stimulate things. Get things going. I like that.

But a few slither in with ulterior motives. It has happened before. It will, no doubt, happen again.

I stand for some bedrock principles. We can differ on issue and that's fine, but there are some things that are foundational. I know I am in good company on this board in that respect.

Here's the rub....

This Board is a microcosm of the larger discussion going on within Conservatism in general, and the Republican Party specifically. (A word here to New Members and anyone else; there are many many people here who vote Republican yet who consider themselves to be members of other groups or parties. There are also conservatives here who may not vote Republican. )

The Republican Party is "Rebuilding the Brand" according to one tag line I saw on a news show. First I hate the notion of the Party being a Brand, but let's just go with that.

What will that entail? When you re-build the Brand you change it. What will those changes be?

I believe in change when change is called for, we changed in the sixties, and in the seventies, and in the nineties, and we will change now, but I also believe that there can be a tendency to make changes merely to get votes and win elections. I want to get votes and win elections, but I do not want us to sacrifice principle on the altar of expediency.

That is a part of an ongoing discussion and really wasn't the focus of my OP.

We have some excellent new posters. I won't name any because I might leave some out, but I am impressed. We also have some who have dropped in and appear to have an agenda for either recruiting for another party or group, or just in suppressing the vote of Republicans or or those who vote with Republicans. I take issue with these posters.

Basically, as just a regular member of this Board, I am making a declaration of principle. Also, as just a regular member of this Board, I am saying that If you are a newcomer with some other political agenda that you speak up about it and don't try to sound Republican while you're talking something else.

I chose the metaphor of a Cowboy from a great retort by one of our regulars to an insult offered by new poster who was, IMHO, trying to sell some variety of Miracle Wheat.

Having said all that, which is more than I usually say, we have many challenges ahead of us, and we have to be prepared.

We have a fight coming up.

Cowboy Up is my own clumsy way of evoking the character I think is needed to face the challenge before us. Hard Work. Courage. Character. A willingness to take a stand.

And when I think of the character of the Cowboy and politics, I can't help but think of Ronald Reagan. Call me sentimental. I'm guilty.

The metaphor isn't the thing. It's the principles on which you stand that are important.

So welcome to all the new posters. I'm glad you're here. Talk. Debate. Argue. Fuss. Enjoy the humor and the spirit of the place. CU isn't a monolith. Lots of viewpoints here. All views, as far as I am concerned, are welcome. Not all views, however, will necessarily be supported.

But Be Yourselves. Stand for what you stand for. We'll talk. Enjoy this place. It's a blast.

But as for me, I'm gonna Cowboy Up.

The cowboy's here!!!!

bluemeenie
11-10-2008, 02:48 PM
It is time to flush the GOP, top to bottom. Bring in Newt and bring us back to REAL Conservative values. Low taxes, strong military, no government pork spending...... The only thing they need to watch out for is the Moral issues. While I am a strong Christian, anti-abortion, anti stem cell research, etc..... If the GOP started focusing on those issues they will continue to lose. Focus on Fiscal Conservatism and leave morality up to the states and the people and we can win again.



and I 100% agree with this also...The GOP has been taken over by the Moral right about as much as the Dem's have now completely succumbed to the immorals' on their side..(that is blurring the lines between anything that has to do with personal decisions and what should be taken care of at the State Level).


Look at everything that has failed when the people were left to decide what they wanted or did not want. Whether it be same sex marriage, certain abortion issues, and other items.

Most states rejected them, but a few the people passed them.


Now that the Dem's have the power they are trying to Nationalize all those state initiatives that failed on the popular vote and force it down our throats at a National level.


It's time to stop letting the far right govern from their emotions at the National level and focus of strictly National Conservative issues. Let the moral issues get solved at the state level.

If we do that, and can prove it to the body populi then we will be back in power in no short time.

bluemeenie
11-10-2008, 02:52 PM
and I really wish my user info has been saved from the previous boards.... :(


I look like one of your newbies now..

PoliKat
11-10-2008, 03:01 PM
Hey, paranoia comes naturally to me. :D

Several responses. Excellent.

That said, we were in a fight. It was a real fight. We lost the national race. But there have been some really difficult Congressional races, hard fought, one of which is going on in my state of Georgia. Saxby Chamblis is in a runoff with Martin for the US Senate.

So we are still in a fight.

I am glad for all newcomers. They stimulate things. Get things going. I like that.

But a few slither in with ulterior motives. It has happened before. It will, no doubt, happen again.

I stand for some bedrock principles. We can differ on issue and that's fine, but there are some things that are foundational. I know I am in good company on this board in that respect.

Here's the rub....

This Board is a microcosm of the larger discussion going on within Conservatism in general, and the Republican Party specifically. (A word here to New Members and anyone else; there are many many people here who vote Republican yet who consider themselves to be members of other groups or parties. There are also conservatives here who may not vote Republican. )

The Republican Party is "Rebuilding the Brand" according to one tag line I saw on a news show. First I hate the notion of the Party being a Brand, but let's just go with that.

What will that entail? When you re-build the Brand you change it. What will those changes be?

I believe in change when change is called for, we changed in the sixties, and in the seventies, and in the nineties, and we will change now, but I also believe that there can be a tendency to make changes merely to get votes and win elections. I want to get votes and win elections, but I do not want us to sacrifice principle on the altar of expediency.

That is a part of an ongoing discussion and really wasn't the focus of my OP.

We have some excellent new posters. I won't name any because I might leave some out, but I am impressed. We also have some who have dropped in and appear to have an agenda for either recruiting for another party or group, or just in suppressing the vote of Republicans or or those who vote with Republicans. I take issue with these posters.

Basically, as just a regular member of this Board, I am making a declaration of principle. Also, as just a regular member of this Board, I am saying that If you are a newcomer with some other political agenda that you speak up about it and don't try to sound Republican while you're talking something else.

I chose the metaphor of a Cowboy from a great retort by one of our regulars to an insult offered by new poster who was, IMHO, trying to sell some variety of Miracle Wheat.

Having said all that, which is more than I usually say, we have many challenges ahead of us, and we have to be prepared.

We have a fight coming up.

Cowboy Up is my own clumsy way of evoking the character I think is needed to face the challenge before us. Hard Work. Courage. Character. A willingness to take a stand.

And when I think of the character of the Cowboy and politics, I can't help but think of Ronald Reagan. Call me sentimental. I'm guilty.

The metaphor isn't the thing. It's the principles on which you stand that are important.

So welcome to all the new posters. I'm glad you're here. Talk. Debate. Argue. Fuss. Enjoy the humor and the spirit of the place. CU isn't a monolith. Lots of viewpoints here. All views, as far as I am concerned, are welcome. Not all views, however, will necessarily be supported.

But Be Yourselves. Stand for what you stand for. We'll talk. Enjoy this place. It's a blast.

But as for me, I'm gonna Cowboy Up.
Frankly, I like cowboys. I'm a cowgirl and even my kids know it. Not one to sit for long, if at all. However, it does take me time to regurgitate a secondary viewpoint, because I am not as quick as some in my comebacks. I used to just shoot back wtih retort; now I plan my responses so as to not appear too stupid anyway. My education did me good, but it was accomplished under serious life pressures, so some of what I learned has been dropped for a bit.

Although I like an excellent argument, it bothers me most the use of vulgarity in making a point. It is difficult to engage in meaningful debate with sinister hostility as opposed to righteous indignation and a true desire to influence in the hopes of gaining one's loyalty to a particular position. If I think that somebody is insulting me in order to disagree with me, then I will simply not respond. Hopefully, that is not seen as a cowardly act, but what's the point in a response to somebody that is attempting simply to annilhate another? I see none.

Like you, I know where I stand, but arguing takes me a bit more time than some. Additionally, this mama is not yet young, but not really old either, so my heart strings go from relating to younger people to engaging the less hectic side of life and laying back some times. Perhaps this is a type of tolerance, but immorality, stabs upon my character, pokes at my familial status or any other status for that matter I WILL NOT tolerate. I will not put a person down simply for being liberal, gay, bi, male, female, or the like. If I put something down, it will be the insistence of those speaking in a degrading manner toward another simply because they need to feel better about who they are or where THEY stand. I will not entertain childishness if I can help it, because I have been guilty of participating and it sucks!

I was raised on a farm, the last of a dead breed. I know what hard work is. Milking cows twice a day, slopping the hogs, gathering eggs, herding sheep, caring for baby calves, birthing calves and sheep, covering prairie dog holes, chopping thistle from the pastures, chopping wood, clearing creeks, gardening and canning and ALL that goes with it. Rescuing racoons, getting bitten by ground squirrels, ice skating on a frozen pond, getting hit with clods of dirt as the boys threw them at each other during fights.

We had an outhouse, yes, and outhouse, until I was 14. We built our own water supply system and dug our own wells. We laid irrigation pipe for the cornfields. We mowed hay, baled it, harvested wheat and milo fields, built silos, and used wood-burning stoves in the house. We saved many a newborn calf and pig by bringing them into the house out of the weather when finding them during a blizzard.

One thing I am not and that is a wuss.

So there. Is that a good enough stand at this point? God only knows that this woman does not want to appear to be here for ulterior motives.
I do not support the following:

Abortion unless the life of the mother is at stake, proven to be at stake, and then it is the decision of the mother/father together, if there is both, and the mother of course if not. I've had friends who have been there, done that, and I lost two babies of my own in my 20's. Dont' get me started, I'll rip you a new one in statistics and evidence on this.

Embryonic stem cell research: I did a research paper on this a few years ago and it is phenomenal what has been done that the media will not tell you regarding normal, adult stem cells and the healing of diseases/conditions as a result.

Taking my tax dollars inappropriately.

Big government.

State/government control on correction for my children.

Government control over educational choices for my children.

Euthanasia.

Suicide.

Genocide.

And the list could get longer as I go, I'm sure. However, I am here to be supportive and be supported in the goal of re-doing not only the Republican party, but definitely to assist in any manner possible the gathering of Conservatives from all sides to work a lot harder than we have in the past to not just be heard, but to speak loud enough to make a difference, thereby creating the REAL change that is needed to protect our nation, our citizens, and the future for our children and grandchildren!!

'nuff said (for now anyway).

Does that do it Bubba?

Ree
11-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Damn....does everybod have to write a book....

My lysdexia is givin me fits....:eek:

M21
11-10-2008, 06:06 PM
Damn....does everybod have to write a book....

My lysdexia is givin me fits....:eek:

Probably your finger too. How's that working out for you?

PoliKat
11-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Damn....does everybod have to write a book....

My lysdexia is givin me fits....:eek:
yM eard, ouy on'td aveh ot eadr ti fi ouy on'td eelf eikl ti.

Ree
11-10-2008, 07:48 PM
yM eard, ouy on'td aveh ot eadr ti fi ouy on'td eelf eikl ti.
Don't be an ass it's very unbecomin for a n00b....


BTW...dyslexia isn't backwards.,..,

cat714
11-10-2008, 07:49 PM
100% Agree

It is time to flush the GOP, top to bottom. Bring in Newt and bring us back to REAL Conservative values. Low taxes, strong military, no government pork spending...... The only thing they need to watch out for is the Moral issues. While I am a strong Christian, anti-abortion, anti stem cell research, etc..... If the GOP started focusing on those issues they will continue to lose. Focus on Fiscal Conservativism and leave morality up to the states and the people and we can win again.

I agree with you 100% Owl. A group of my conservative friends and I were talking about this very thing.
Running on a moral platform in this day and age, is no longer the "meat and potatoes" of what people care about. I would love to see Newt back on the scene to lead the party.

Ree
11-10-2008, 07:52 PM
I agree with you 100% Owl. A group of my conservative friends and I were talking about this very thing.
Running on a moral platform in this day and age, is no longer the "meat and potatoes" of what people care about. I would love to see Newt back on the scene to lead the party.
Hear hear....Who really gives a flyin F what peeps do in their own home? I want the Gov to stop takin so much of my money and spendin it on stupid shit..

BadCat
11-10-2008, 09:30 PM
Damn, when I saw OwlMBA, I thought it said "Owlbama".

Shannon
11-10-2008, 09:45 PM
Don't be an ass it's very unbecomin for a n00b....


BTW...dyslexia isn't backwards.,..,


She's cool.

atwhay about igpay atinlay?:p

Ree
11-10-2008, 10:25 PM
She's cool.

atwhay about igpay atinlay?:p

Ya really don't want to know how I read that....I come up with some doosies...:eek:

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 11:36 AM
The cowboy's here!!!!

Good on ya Noble Mon.

Glad you're here.

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 11:47 AM
You waited til now to Cowboy up?

Got my AR15 years ago - oops - that will surely grate on someone's principles....

I hate the idea of popping a cap on someone but my principles say sell your cloak and buy a sword.

The Left hasn't given up on their orders from Moscow; it is still their goal to institute a police state, which will trigger the great peoples' uprising yada yada wuh wuh.......

You will never get a consensus on principles.

but God bless ya for trying.


Hey, I've always been slow about things. I didn't find out about girls until I was twenty. A girl told me. :D

I don't think we will ever get a full concensus on principles. But I do think that we can get enough overlaping principles that we have enough common ground to succeed as a movement.

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 11:49 AM
and I really wish my user info has been saved from the previous boards.... :(


I look like one of your newbies now..

True. You've been here longer than I have, If I'm not mistaken.

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Frankly, I like cowboys. I'm a cowgirl and even my kids know it. Not one to sit for long, if at all. However, it does take me time to regurgitate a secondary viewpoint, because I am not as quick as some in my comebacks. I used to just shoot back wtih retort; now I plan my responses so as to not appear too stupid anyway. My education did me good, but it was accomplished under serious life pressures, so some of what I learned has been dropped for a bit.

Although I like an excellent argument, it bothers me most the use of vulgarity in making a point. It is difficult to engage in meaningful debate with sinister hostility as opposed to righteous indignation and a true desire to influence in the hopes of gaining one's loyalty to a particular position. If I think that somebody is insulting me in order to disagree with me, then I will simply not respond. Hopefully, that is not seen as a cowardly act, but what's the point in a response to somebody that is attempting simply to annilhate another? I see none.

Like you, I know where I stand, but arguing takes me a bit more time than some. Additionally, this mama is not yet young, but not really old either, so my heart strings go from relating to younger people to engaging the less hectic side of life and laying back some times. Perhaps this is a type of tolerance, but immorality, stabs upon my character, pokes at my familial status or any other status for that matter I WILL NOT tolerate. I will not put a person down simply for being liberal, gay, bi, male, female, or the like. If I put something down, it will be the insistence of those speaking in a degrading manner toward another simply because they need to feel better about who they are or where THEY stand. I will not entertain childishness if I can help it, because I have been guilty of participating and it sucks!

I was raised on a farm, the last of a dead breed. I know what hard work is. Milking cows twice a day, slopping the hogs, gathering eggs, herding sheep, caring for baby calves, birthing calves and sheep, covering prairie dog holes, chopping thistle from the pastures, chopping wood, clearing creeks, gardening and canning and ALL that goes with it. Rescuing racoons, getting bitten by ground squirrels, ice skating on a frozen pond, getting hit with clods of dirt as the boys threw them at each other during fights.

We had an outhouse, yes, and outhouse, until I was 14. We built our own water supply system and dug our own wells. We laid irrigation pipe for the cornfields. We mowed hay, baled it, harvested wheat and milo fields, built silos, and used wood-burning stoves in the house. We saved many a newborn calf and pig by bringing them into the house out of the weather when finding them during a blizzard.

One thing I am not and that is a wuss.

So there. Is that a good enough stand at this point? God only knows that this woman does not want to appear to be here for ulterior motives.
I do not support the following:

Abortion unless the life of the mother is at stake, proven to be at stake, and then it is the decision of the mother/father together, if there is both, and the mother of course if not. I've had friends who have been there, done that, and I lost two babies of my own in my 20's. Dont' get me started, I'll rip you a new one in statistics and evidence on this.

Embryonic stem cell research: I did a research paper on this a few years ago and it is phenomenal what has been done that the media will not tell you regarding normal, adult stem cells and the healing of diseases/conditions as a result.

Taking my tax dollars inappropriately.

Big government.

State/government control on correction for my children.

Government control over educational choices for my children.

Euthanasia.

Suicide.

Genocide.

And the list could get longer as I go, I'm sure. However, I am here to be supportive and be supported in the goal of re-doing not only the Republican party, but definitely to assist in any manner possible the gathering of Conservatives from all sides to work a lot harder than we have in the past to not just be heard, but to speak loud enough to make a difference, thereby creating the REAL change that is needed to protect our nation, our citizens, and the future for our children and grandchildren!!

'nuff said (for now anyway).

Does that do it Bubba?


IMHO, you are a star. Glad you're here.

And nobody has to prove anything to me. I'm just one poster here. I'm not a mod or any official. Just a guy.

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 12:23 PM
To everyone, new and old.

Thanks if you read or responded to this thread. I was a little emotional when I posted it. Sorry about that.

I'm an ordinary poster here. I have no right to question your motives but I can and do ask questions, same as you could ask of me. Same as anyone else.

This is a good place. We argue, fuss, fight, laugh and talk pretty much the same as any other board. But to me this place is unique. The people here make it so.

Thing is, we talk about things that matter. I learn a lot from people who post here. I am more conservative now than when I arrived here. I attribute a portion of the change in me to what I have experienced here.

To be honest, I really didn't Cowboy Up, to use my own term, until I after I arrived. It is all a part of a process. We live and learn.

I am optimistic for Conservative Underground. I'm glad for all the new faces, the new-but-not-new faces, and for all the old timers.

I am also optimistic about the conservative movement. It must reinvent intself from time to time to face the
challenges of the future. It must also never lose sight of the principles on which it stands. I think it will won't.

Someone said that, as conservatives, we would never be able to arrive at a set of principles to agree on. I agree that it will be difficult, but I also believe that we can and will agree on a set over overlaping principles which will give us sufficient common ground to go forward as a movement and take the country back.


To me, this is absolutely necesary.

So, as for me, welcome to CU, enjoy your time here. Post.

This place is cool, IMHO.

quirites
11-11-2008, 12:49 PM
Some time back (not here) I expressed an opinion that Bush was leading us to disaster - I was answered with a massed bayonet charge from the resident Republicans.

We'll be lucky if we manage to keep a federal republic much less preserve our pet projects.

Don't have time to argue about principles.

We have become like the French, arguing about liberte equalite fraternitie while Panzers tear across the countryside.

Believe me - it is way past time to Cowboy Up.

PoliKat
11-11-2008, 01:00 PM
She's cool.

atwhay about igpay atinlay?:p
Thank you, Shannon. Just so you and others know, I wasn't trying to be anything but a bit humorous. There was nothing critical or judgmental intended whatsoever in my backwards post. Abolutely nothing.:(

Goldwater
11-11-2008, 01:27 PM
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PoliKat
11-11-2008, 02:35 PM
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Don't be an ass it's very unbecomin for a n00b....


BTW...dyslexia isn't backwards.,..,
My sincerest apologies. It seems that I have offended you. Was not my intent whatsoever. Please forgive me.:(

Odysseus
11-11-2008, 02:45 PM
Some time back (not here) I expressed an opinion that Bush was leading us to disaster - I was answered with a massed bayonet charge from the resident Republicans.
We'll be lucky if we manage to keep a federal republic much less preserve our pet projects.
Don't have time to argue about principles.
We have become like the French, arguing about liberte equalite fraternitie while Panzers tear across the countryside.
Believe me - it is way past time to Cowboy Up.

The only failing that Bush had was that he didn't respond to the perpetual media war against him. That's one thing that the Clintons did right, which was respond to every attack. In their case, the attacks were justified, as they were corrupt, but by fighting back, they gave their side ammunition and wore down their opponents. Look at the difference between the way that Bush reacted to a string of leaks that genuinely compromised national security and the Clintons reacted to the Lewinsky scandal, which was such an obvious abuse of power and demonstration of apallingly poor judgement that even his own party was ready to abandon him (at first). Bush never made the case that the interception of electronic communication from overseas was perfectly legal and had a long established precedent in our breaking of Japanese diplomatic and naval codes prior to WWII and our interception of Soviet radio traffic during WWII and the Cold War, or that it was necessary to maintain our visibility of terrorist operations. As a result, the constantly repeated meme in the media was that the government was wiretapping Americans. Eventually, that became the public perception of the NSA intercepts. By the same token, the Clintons turned an attempt to fix a lawsuit, obstruct justice and subborn perjury into a referendum on sexual morality and an attack on the supposed prurient interests of his opponents. That's masterful propagandizing.

As for not having time for principles, you couldn't be more wrong. If the current Republican congressional delegation cannot find their basic principles, if they cannot oppose the agenda of the Democratic majority with solid, logical and principled reasoning, then they will either become mindless obstructionists or craven compromisers, neither of which serves the nation. The only way to maintain filibusters and build support for opposition to the Democrats is to make the case to the American people that what they are fighting against is wrong, and will do serious damage to the nation. Otherwise, it's just horserace coverage, and that gets old really fast.

BSR
11-11-2008, 03:01 PM
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My sincerest apologies. It seems that I have offended you. Was not my intent whatsoever. Please forgive me.:(



Dont worry about Ree. We had her teeth pulled so when she bit, it wouldn't hurt.

quirites
11-11-2008, 03:09 PM
As for not having time for principles, you couldn't be more wrong.

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correction;

I don't have time for ARGUING about principles.

You have yours, I have mine
here's to you and here's to me
may we always agree
but if we disagree
here's to me

Odysseus
11-11-2008, 03:23 PM
As for not having time for principles, you couldn't be more wrong.

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correction;

I don't have time for ARGUING about principles.

You have yours, I have mine
here's to you and here's to me
may we always agree
but if we disagree
here's to me

Arguing about principles is how we define them, and if we don't define what we stand for, the left will define us. What was the free market solution to the credit crunch? Where were those principles debated and then proposed as an alternative to the bailout that congress passed? Where was the national debate? It didn't happen. Instead, the Democrats got to define the crisis, eliminate any references to their culpability, and present a solution that doubled the defecit while giving them hundreds of billions of dollars to throw at their pals in the financial sector.

You win a debate by arguing your positions, and in order to do that, you have to know and understand them. That's why McCain swamped Obama on national security issues, but didn't gain any traction on the economy.

Ree
11-11-2008, 05:23 PM
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My sincerest apologies. It seems that I have offended you. Was not my intent whatsoever. Please forgive me.:(
Grain of salt? I always bitch about long posts...:p

Ree
11-11-2008, 05:26 PM
Some time back (not here) I expressed an opinion that Bush was leading us to disaster - I was answered with a massed bayonet charge from the resident Republicans.

We'll be lucky if we manage to keep a federal republic much less preserve our pet projects.

Don't have time to argue about principles.

We have become like the French, arguing about liberte equalite fraternitie while Panzers tear across the countryside.

Believe me - it is way past time to Cowboy Up .
Bullshit....All the GOP need to do is run on bein fiscally conservative..leave the morality to the states...

Bubba Dawg
11-11-2008, 08:50 PM
Good comments.

I read where someone said, and pardon me if I mischaracterize it, that we don't have time to argue about principles, meaning, I think, that quick decisive action is necessary and needs to be immediate.

I couldn't agree more with the intent of that statement; that immediate action is necessary now, but I also believe that arguing about principles accomplishes something, it:

clarifies our positions,

defines us as who we are, and just as importantly,

educates those who may need to be taught some of the tenets of conservativism


Talk has its place, but it is action that turns words into deeds. Principles must be put into action or else they are mere dead words on dry parchment. Our principles form the core of what we believe in. Belief also invigorates us to move forward and take action. Beliefs without works are inadequate.


It will be our principles that inform the decisions we make as we move forward toward future elections.

We will know who we are.

And when the strategy to move forward is determined, it is my belief that we will have enough common ground in the conservative movement to reassert our principles in our society and in our government.


I learn everyday by reading columns at CU. There are many smart talented people already at CU, and I also sense very good things in the comments of many of the new folk just now arriving.

I expect to read your words and to learn from you all.


I'll repeat, CU is a good place. Post here. Argue and debate. Go into the lounge and chat to get to know people. Heck, we've even go a food thread and a music thread or two.

Be Yourself.

Let us get to know you. :)

I don't know of any litmus test here, not truly, but a Cowboy Hat does look might fine. :D

quirites
11-12-2008, 05:50 AM
Bullshit....All the GOP need to do is run on bein fiscally conservative..leave the morality to the states...

OH is that all?
Foolish me - what was I worried about?

I voted for a republican governor - only to see him turn into a democrat bootlicker as soon as he got in office. Lying scumbag.
Try to talk to the punk and he fobs you off on an admin assistant who tells you to get lost.
This time you didn't get funds from those like me and The Boy President buried you.

See you in four years when you have recovered the congress and whitehouse - and the democrats are through humping you.

That short and to the point enough for you?

Ree
11-12-2008, 01:02 PM
OH is that all?
Foolish me - what was I worried about?

I voted for a republican governor - only to see him turn into a democrat bootlicker as soon as he got in office. Lying scumbag.
Try to talk to the punk and he fobs you off on an admin assistant who tells you to get lost.
This time you didn't get funds from those like me and The Boy President buried you.

See you in four years when you have recovered the congress and whitehouse - and the democrats are through humping you.

That short and to the point enough for you?
I don't know what your major malfunction is, and I really don't give a flyin fuck.....So do what ya want...