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megimoo
11-12-2008, 08:28 PM
The man attempted to steal consecrated communion hosts from the priest while he was standing in line to receive the Eucharist .

One who throws away the consecrated species or, for a sacrilegious purpose, takes them away or keeps them, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication

JENSEN BEACH, Fla. (Catholic Online) – A 33 yr old man from Connecticut named John Samuel Ricci is now in Police custody. His bond was set at $2,000 and he will stay in the Martin County Jail until he appears in Court on Dec. 11, 2008.

He attempted to steal consecrated communion hosts from the priest while he was standing in line to receive the Eucharist on Saturday, November 8, 2008 at St. Martin de Porres Catholic Church in Jensen Beach, Florida.

Reports from the Martin County Sherriff’s Office indicate that he was cornered by six or seven parishioners who detained him until Police arrived at the Church. The priest and a parishioner were injured in the scuffle which ensued.

Ricci has been charged with battery, theft and disruption of a Church service. He was the last one in the line to receive the Eucharist at the Saturday Morning Mass. All of the other communicants had returned to the pews.

Carl Marszewski, 66, is a parishioner who was at the Holy Mass. He told a local reporter "Everyone else was on their way back to the pews to kneel and pray. I was approaching my pew across the church from where he was when it happened. I ran over there to stop him from running out with the communion."

Reports indicate that Ricci then cursed at Marszewski and 83-year-old Fr. James Malgano. next he pushed them down. "It took six people to hold him down," Marszewski said. He suffered a heart attack in his valiant effort to protect the consecrated Eucharist.

As to why the man from Connecticut would attempt to stel the Body of Christ, the brave parishioner gave further insights, "He was seen on a camera we have here stealing something else from the altar two days earlier," he said. "There are so many reasons why he could have done this, especially with the issues of all of these different cults and covens that actually want to desecrate the offering to their god — the god of darkness."

Another member of the parish who was present indicated that when Ricci put the first consecrated host in his pocket, he was politely asked to put it into his mouth. He not only refused but actually threw the Body of the Lord on the floor. He then allegedly ranted about being a member of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church strongly condemns this desecration of the Body of the Lord as a sacrilege: “2120. Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God. Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us.”
snip http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=30514http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=30514

FlaGator
11-13-2008, 08:04 AM
The man attempted to steal consecrated communion hosts from the priest while he was standing in line to receive the Eucharist .

One who throws away the consecrated species or, for a sacrilegious purpose, takes them away or keeps them, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication

JENSEN BEACH, Fla. (Catholic Online) – A 33 yr old man from Connecticut named John Samuel Ricci is now in Police custody. His bond was set at $2,000 and he will stay in the Martin County Jail until he appears in Court on Dec. 11, 2008.

He attempted to steal consecrated communion hosts from the priest while he was standing in line to receive the Eucharist on Saturday, November 8, 2008 at St. Martin de Porres Catholic Church in Jensen Beach, Florida.

Reports from the Martin County Sherriff’s Office indicate that he was cornered by six or seven parishioners who detained him until Police arrived at the Church. The priest and a parishioner were injured in the scuffle which ensued.

Ricci has been charged with battery, theft and disruption of a Church service. He was the last one in the line to receive the Eucharist at the Saturday Morning Mass. All of the other communicants had returned to the pews.

Carl Marszewski, 66, is a parishioner who was at the Holy Mass. He told a local reporter "Everyone else was on their way back to the pews to kneel and pray. I was approaching my pew across the church from where he was when it happened. I ran over there to stop him from running out with the communion."

Reports indicate that Ricci then cursed at Marszewski and 83-year-old Fr. James Malgano. next he pushed them down. "It took six people to hold him down," Marszewski said. He suffered a heart attack in his valiant effort to protect the consecrated Eucharist.

As to why the man from Connecticut would attempt to stel the Body of Christ, the brave parishioner gave further insights, "He was seen on a camera we have here stealing something else from the altar two days earlier," he said. "There are so many reasons why he could have done this, especially with the issues of all of these different cults and covens that actually want to desecrate the offering to their god — the god of darkness."

Another member of the parish who was present indicated that when Ricci put the first consecrated host in his pocket, he was politely asked to put it into his mouth. He not only refused but actually threw the Body of the Lord on the floor. He then allegedly ranted about being a member of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church strongly condemns this desecration of the Body of the Lord as a sacrilege: “2120. Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God. Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us.”
snip http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=30514http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=30514


The guy sounds mentally unstable.

PoliCon
11-13-2008, 08:09 AM
The guy sounds mentally unstable.He did say he was a member of the ACLU . . . .

noonwitch
11-13-2008, 08:22 AM
It's in Florida.

jinxmchue
11-13-2008, 11:08 AM
Anyone seen PZ Myers around lately? Oh, we have. Okay. Just wondering.

wilbur
11-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Anyone seen PZ Myers around lately? Oh, we have. Okay. Just wondering.

Actually, this is what he had to say on the matter:



Don't do this. Don't steal crackers.



During mass at around 9 AM, Ricci accepted a wafer on the Communion line, but "walked away without taking the communion into his mouth." After refusing a priest's requests to "accept" the wafer,


If he'd just stopped there, all would be well, but then he did this:



Ricci "turned to the priest and grabbed a handful of the wafers from the plate and attempted to leave" St. Martin de Porres Church, according to the report.


Sorry, but that is unacceptable. Blasphemy is something you can feel free to do on your own, but not when you're disrupting other people's rituals, no matter how silly they are.


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/no_youre_doing_it_wrong.php

FlaGator
11-13-2008, 11:55 AM
Actually, this is what he had to say on the matter:



http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/no_youre_doing_it_wrong.php

One should also not disrepect the Host by referring it as a cracker.

jinxmchue
11-13-2008, 01:29 PM
Actually, this is what he had to say on the matter:



http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/11/no_youre_doing_it_wrong.php

Pontius Pilate washed his hands, too.

noonwitch
11-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, that probably no one here could answer. Do satanists really think that they can get power by defiling consecrated communion wafers? If, as catholics believe, the spirit of God is contained in the sacrament, how can anyone defile it?

I guess I should ask that on the DU board. It just seems to me that satanists have no real imagination, if they think that they are obtaining power basically by perverting catholic/christian rituals and symbols.

At least my delinquents in the 90s who were satanists tried to raise the dead! They were never successful, but they had imagination. Unfortunately, they used to try to raise the dead at the ruins of the old Eloise asylum, and occasionally one would fall and seriously injure him or herself.

Gingersnap
11-13-2008, 01:45 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, that probably no one here could answer. Do satanists really think that they can get power by defiling consecrated communion wafers? If, as catholics believe, the spirit of God is contained in the sacrament, how can anyone defile it?

I guess I should ask that on the DU board. It just seems to me that satanists have no real imagination, if they think that they are obtaining power basically by perverting catholic/christian rituals and symbols.

At least my delinquents in the 90s who were satanists tried to raise the dead! They were never successful, but they had imagination. Unfortunately, they used to try to raise the dead at the ruins of the old Eloise asylum, and occasionally one would fall and seriously injure him or herself.

There are more or less three flavors of Satanists: old school, LaVey school (with variations), and album Satanists.

There are hardly any old school Satanists because their activities require the participation of a defrocked Roman Catholic priest. They do (did) believe in the efficacy of the Host and really did believe that "torturing" the Real Presence had certain important religious implications.

LaVey Satanists (and the many variations) are just hedonists. They get an extra jolt of suburban sexual excitement by dressing up like nuns or playing around with RC devotional objects but the aim there is the shock-value. Album Satanists bang each other a lot and get drunk in cemeteries. From time to time they blow their own heads off.

This guy sounds like a non-Satanist nutcase who was hoping to shock and outrage the church members for the purpose getting his 15 minutes of fame.

M21
11-13-2008, 01:49 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, that probably no one here could answer. Do satanists really think that they can get power by defiling consecrated communion wafers? If, as catholics believe, the spirit of God is contained in the sacrament, how can anyone defile it?

I guess I should ask that on the DU board. It just seems to me that satanists have no real imagination, if they think that they are obtaining power basically by perverting catholic/christian rituals and symbols.

At least my delinquents in the 90s who were satanists tried to raise the dead! They were never successful, but they had imagination. Unfortunately, they used to try to raise the dead at the ruins of the old Eloise asylum, and occasionally one would fall and seriously injure him or herself.

Perhaps their father whom they serve kicks them up the hierarchy of the demon scale. :confused: Certainly if there are degrees of rewards in Heaven there are also degrees of punishment in hell.

Sounds as if he is mentally ill.

FlaGator
11-13-2008, 04:07 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, that probably no one here could answer. Do satanists really think that they can get power by defiling consecrated communion wafers? If, as catholics believe, the spirit of God is contained in the sacrament, how can anyone defile it?

I guess I should ask that on the DU board. It just seems to me that satanists have no real imagination, if they think that they are obtaining power basically by perverting catholic/christian rituals and symbols.

At least my delinquents in the 90s who were satanists tried to raise the dead! They were never successful, but they had imagination. Unfortunately, they used to try to raise the dead at the ruins of the old Eloise asylum, and occasionally one would fall and seriously injure him or herself.

That would really depend on how a person views the host and when and if it is infused with the essence of Christ. One of the biggest on going debates in Christianity is the bread and wine of Communion and what exactly transpires during Communion. There are as many different views as there are denominations. What it means to a satanist... who knows. Since Christians can't agree on the nature and sanctity of the Host I don't suspect satanists really know either.

Milly
11-13-2008, 04:54 PM
If he'd taken his posse along, like the gays at the church in Lansing MI, he might have gotten off scot free.

Silly sod.

wilbur
11-13-2008, 05:14 PM
Another thing I'm curious about, that probably no one here could answer. Do satanists really think that they can get power by defiling consecrated communion wafers? If, as catholics believe, the spirit of God is contained in the sacrament, how can anyone defile it?

I guess I should ask that on the DU board. It just seems to me that satanists have no real imagination, if they think that they are obtaining power basically by perverting catholic/christian rituals and symbols.

At least my delinquents in the 90s who were satanists tried to raise the dead! They were never successful, but they had imagination. Unfortunately, they used to try to raise the dead at the ruins of the old Eloise asylum, and occasionally one would fall and seriously injure him or herself.

Somehow I think the article was being a tad sensationalist..... nothing like satan worship, and *gasp*... ACLU Membership to stir up some ominous fear...