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biccat
06-17-2008, 08:46 AM
US soldier refuses to report for active duty in Iraq (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3354127&mesg_id=3354127)


sabra (1000+ posts)
Original message
US soldier refuses to report for active duty in Iraq Updated at 2:52 AM

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Source: AFP

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A month after US army reservist Matthis Chiroux publicly refused to deploy to Iraq, the former sergeant on Sunday set himself up for possible prosecution by failing to report for active duty with his unit in South Carolina.

"Tonight at midnight, I may face further action from the army for refusing to reactivate to participate in the Iraq occupation," Chiroux told reporters in Washington.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080615/ts_alt_afp/usiraqmilitaryprotest_080615214802
Start the troop lovin'!

pokercat999
Response to Reply #3
27. He is lawfully responding to unlawful orders. Those who go

are war criminals fighting an unlawful war. IMHO.


kineneb (1000+ posts)
Response to Reply #16
57. but one has a much better survival chance in jail

then in Iraq...being stuck in the same position, I would probably go to jail.

Soldiers committing atrocities in Iraq...

Journalgrrl (464 posts)
Response to Original message
13. Dude...reservist means he was expecting a few weekends and some college money...

Not war and illegal occupation and God knows what other atrocities that are going on over there.

I would LOVE to see this on a large scale - to help drive the point home
AND put impeachment back on the table
followed by international indictment...

though if there are no soldiers, don't they just hire more mercenaries?
damn.

bean fidhlier is a particularly interesting specimen...

bean fidhleir (1000+ posts)
33. "armies fight wars"

When did that happen? It used to be that armies existed to PREVENT war: "si vis pacem, para bellum". When did it change, and why?


Dogtown (515 posts)
Response to Reply #31
54. *Our* army is NOT supposed to be

used for wars of conquest. It has been done, of course, but history condemns those who use our army illegally.

This *IS* the 21st century, *Dude*. Our days of pretending to be civilized whilst committing genocide are supposed to be over. Would you bring that back?

If so, perhaps you should enlist and join in the spoils of conquest.

Rule of law applies, and your heroes are criminals.


truthisfreedom (1000+ posts)
Response to Original message
19. The first thing Obama does when he gets in office should be to work toward reinstating the draft.

We need to rebuild our military, and the way its been handled by bush, nobody wants to be in it.

The hate is strong today.

megimoo
06-17-2008, 08:57 AM
US soldier refuses to report for active duty in Iraq (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3354127&mesg_id=3354127)


Start the troop lovin'!




Soldiers committing atrocities in Iraq...


bean fidhlier is a particularly interesting specimen...






The hate is strong today.The hate is strong but the 'hive mind' is weak !

FlaGator
06-17-2008, 09:06 AM
Could this be a case of "Hey! I signed up to go hang out one weekend a month and get paid for it and now I've got to go to some place where people are shooting at me? No way. This is not fair! I just wanted the money and the uniform. I didn't sign up with the intention of earning them!"

Sonnabend
06-17-2008, 09:08 AM
pokercat999
Response to Reply #3
27. He is lawfully responding to unlawful orders. Those who go

are war criminals fighting an unlawful war. IMHO.

The UCMJ says otherwise.


used for wars of conquest. It has been done, of course, but history condemns those who use our army illegally.

He has been given a LEGAL order to deploy. He has been given a LEGAL order to mobilise.

Failing to do so is disobedience of a direct order.

Doc Savage
06-17-2008, 11:35 AM
Tell us moonbats, how many of you have refused to pay taxes to pay for the "Illegal War"? You react with glee when some soldier stands up before he or she gets sent to prison and a BCD to boot, but you pussies do not file a law suite to stop the "illegal war". I mean if it is so cut and dry that you all know this it has to be a slam dunk in court.

Any of you "supporters" of this guy going to step up and pay his bills when he is not hireable because of his BCD? Thought not.

And to Truthisfreedom, you want a draft? you got the balls to go if your number is called, or are you a transgendered citizen that would not qualify? Just what I want in my unit. 25 troops that drop thier rifles and take off when the going gets tough.

Bill inGA
06-17-2008, 01:36 PM
I am going to borrow and paraphrase from the Wall Street Journal today. At the end a question.

http://online.wsj.com/article/best_of_the_web_today.html

To those DUmmies that are hoping that $kinner doesn't catch you reading this fair website, both CU and WSJ, suck on this:

"The following is a passage from a report by the U.S. State Department's Office of International Women's Issues (http://www.state.gov/g/wi/rls/18877.htm). It was released in March 2003, just before the U.S. and its allies liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein's regime:"


The Iraqi Government uses rape and sexual assault of women to achieve the following goals: to extract information and forced confessions from detained family members; to intimidate Iraqi oppositionists by sending videotapes showing the rape of female family members; and to blackmail Iraqi men into future cooperation with the regime. Some Iraqi authorities even carry personnel cards identifying their official "activity" as the "violation of women's honor."

All you DUmmies who believe this to be an illegal war and we never should have gone into Iraq to engage a dictator with ties to AQ, are you really saying you are in favor of a "pro-rape foreign policy"?

Junebug68
06-17-2008, 03:05 PM
Anyone else feel the urge to give these DUmp monkeys a good strong bitch slap? :mad:

Teetop
06-17-2008, 03:23 PM
Anyone else feel the urge to give these DUmp monkeys a good strong bitch slap? :mad:

Nahhhhhhh. I love watching them throw a tantrum over anything. :D

Molon Labe
06-17-2008, 04:31 PM
Tell us moonbats, how many of you have refused to pay taxes to pay for the "Illegal War"? You react with glee when some soldier stands up before he or she gets sent to prison and a BCD to boot, but you pussies do not file a law suite to stop the "illegal war". I mean if it is so cut and dry that you all know this it has to be a slam dunk in court.

Any of you "supporters" of this guy going to step up and pay his bills when he is not hireable because of his BCD? Thought not.

And to Truthisfreedom, you want a draft? you got the balls to go if your number is called, or are you a transgendered citizen that would not qualify? Just what I want in my unit. 25 troops that drop thier rifles and take off when the going gets tough.

You know that's an excellent point..probably one of the best I've heard. I've heard alot of arguments about soldiers being war criminals because they refuse to serve in Iraq, but if Congress and the President are responsible for this deboggle...so are all the people who pay taxes to support this rogue administration.

The only problem I see is that paying taxes is compulsory and it's not like you can withold paying them yourself.

Dan D. Doty
06-17-2008, 11:46 PM
The hate is strong but the 'hive mind' is weak !

Good one :D

Penguins Fan
06-18-2008, 07:36 PM
The DUmp is filled with a bunch of 1960s wannabees. How miserable life must be when it's all about left wing political ideology.

They ought to live in one of the nations that is run by a like mind - Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea come to mind. Lenin is dead and gone but his useful idiots live on.

FL-Nole
06-20-2008, 03:58 PM
LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-18-08 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #85
92. The UN Charter is a ratified treaty.

bUsh's illegal invasion of Iraq violated the UN Charter. Fact.

Violation of the UN Charter is a violation of the US Constitution. Also fact.

Both the above facts have been pronounced against the bUsh regime. Even the American chief prosecutor at the Nuremburg Tribunals has denounced bUsh's illegal invasion as illegal and a "supreme crime".

George W. bUsh's invasion of Iraq is, was, always will be, ILLEGAL.

A fact even members of the bUsh regime have admitted.

The only question is whether Americans and/or the world will hold the bUsh regime accountable.

And when will some Americans accept and get over the fact that George W. bUsh's illegal invasion of Iraq is in fact illegal.
HEY HEY BUSH AND BLAIR, HOW MANY KIDS WILL YOU KILL OVER THERE!
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wmbrew0206 (382 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jun-18-08 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. Well, if that is the case why hasn't MoveOn or another anti-war organization

Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 07:17 PM by wmbrew0206
hired a lawyer and challenge the legality of the Iraq War in Federal court? If it is an open an shut case like you claim then any Federal judge would see the illegality of the war and rule against the Bush Administration orders to the military. That would effectively end the war.

Do you really think that if this war was illegal it wouldn't have been challenged in the US Courts during the five years it has been going on?

As of right now, not one US Court has ruled this war illegal. So right now the US judicial system says I'm right and this war is legal. If you can find a Federal Court ruling that says the war is illegal that hasn't been overturned, please feel free to correct me.

So you jump up and down and scream all day long that "This is an illegal war!" but until a US court rules the war illegal, you are completely wrong.

At this point your pretty much saying "I don't have any Federal Court opinions to cite or legal precedents to refer to but Damn it, this war is illegal because I want it to be and I can quote a bunch of people who agree with me! We're right and we don't need no stinking courts!"

Out of curiosity, do you think that the Gulf War was legal?


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Looks like LynntheDim got smacked around pretty hard on this one.

biccat
06-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Violation of the UN Charter is a violation of the US Constitution. Also fact.
Not a fact. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Treaties have no power to override the US Constitution. While this has not been explicitly determined by a court (as far as I know, no treaties have attempted to violate the US Constitution), it is fairly well established fact.


Even the American chief prosecutor at the Nuremburg Tribunals has denounced bUsh's illegal invasion as illegal and a "supreme crime".
I find it hard to believe that Robert Jackson (http://www.roberthjackson.org/) has denounced President Bush's "illegal invasion" as "a supreme crime." While I would be willing to entertain any evidence contrary to this view, I would contend that Justice Jackson's death in 1954 is especially relevant and determinative of the issue.