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patriot45
11-17-2008, 09:55 AM
Radical Homosexuals Trample a Cross, Harass a Granny, Crash a Church, and Threaten Joe the Plumber’s Life

Doug Giles (http://townhall.com/columnists/DougGiles/2008/11/15/radical_homosexuals_trample_a_cross,_harass_a_gran ny,_crash_a_church,_and_threaten_joe_the_plumber%e 2%80%99s_life)




Can you imagine what would happen if a gang of angry male Christian activists started shouting down and shoving around some nice old lesbian during a religious rally right after ripping her rainbow pride flag from her hands and waffle stomping it?

How much television coverage do you think that spat of stupidity would spawn? What kind of outrage do you think the gays would gin up over such an inexcusable and pathetic act?

I’ll tell you what would happen: We would see an irate Elton John hold a special Candle in the Wind concert on the old lesbian’s behalf, Lance Bass would host a telethon, Ellen would weep, Brad and Angelina would adopt another baby and Rosie would shave the right side of her head again and again until justice was served and those chunks of corn were convicted and sent to prison.

You and I both know we’d never hear the end of it, and you know what? We shouldn’t because that kind stupid, out-of-whack bullying is bull.

What about this scenario?

Say some dyed-in-the-wool, belligerent backwoods snake handlers sporting crosses, vicious anti-gay fliers and blarin’ Dueling Banjos on a boom box infiltrated a gay soiree, disrupted the event, disbursed their literature into the crowd, performed some hetero sex acts and then threatened those in attendance? Do you think the gay bloggers would blog it and the MSM report on it and both sectors call for the rednecks’ necks?

Fo’ shizzle my nizzle they would.

Indulge me one more scenario: Would it be cool if a conservative Christian talk show host called for the death of some gay dude named Joe who simply campaigned for a month for president elect Barack Obama? Would that be cool? You and I both know the answer to that question would be “H” to the no—it would not be cool. That guy would be Imus’ed so fast his head would spin. His days of talk radio would be over.

The above three supposed scenes would be publically condemned, the perps would be captured, convicted and imprisoned, their names would become proverbs for our populace, and the nation would be put on notice that if Christians take their disagreements with homosexuality to belligerent, disruptive and life-threatening levels that their butts will be imprisoned.

It seems as of late, however, that gays can do the above junk to Christians and get a pass from certain cops and the mainstream media.


continued (http://townhall.com/columnists/DougGiles/2008/11/15/radical_homosexuals_trample_a_cross,_harass_a_gran ny,_crash_a_church,_and_threaten_joe_the_plumber%e 2%80%99s_life?page=2)

FlaGator
11-17-2008, 11:52 AM
I wonder why the homosexual crowd isn't breaking in to Mosques and interfering with prayers. After all the Muslims would not only deny a homosexual the right to get married but the right to live as well. I guess having a reputation that involves removing someone’s head from the rest of the body buys that group a bit of leeway. I'd rather interfere with a religion of passivity than a religion of decapitation.

noonwitch
11-17-2008, 12:12 PM
I wonder why the homosexual crowd isn't breaking in to Mosques and interfering with prayers. After all the Muslims would not only deny a homosexual the right to get married but the right to live as well. I guess having a reputation that involves removing someone’s head from the rest of the body buys that group a bit of leeway. I'd rather interfere with a religion of passivity than a religion of decapitation.


You have a good point about Islam's treatment of homosexuals, but I doubt that many Islamic organizations were politically or financially involved in Prop. 8. Not because they disagree with it, but more because they spend their money on other things.

I actually support gay marriage rights, but I question the logic of the radical protestors. Do they really think that any of this is helping their cause? Picketing churches and picking on little old ladies? Those tactics are not going to win anyone over to their cause.

I suspect these protestors figure that they're never going to get what they want, so they might as well be obnoxious to everyone for the rest of their lives.

wilbur
11-17-2008, 12:37 PM
I wonder why the homosexual crowd isn't breaking in to Mosques and interfering with prayers. After all the Muslims would not only deny a homosexual the right to get married but the right to live as well. I guess having a reputation that involves removing someone’s head from the rest of the body buys that group a bit of leeway. I'd rather interfere with a religion of passivity than a religion of decapitation.

US Demographics:
- 78% Christian
- 0.6% Muslim

Just sayin... I think that's your answer.

Molon Labe
11-17-2008, 12:46 PM
US Demographics:
- 78% Christian
- 0.6% Muslim

Just sayin... I think that's your answer.


If the numbers were reversed.....still the same reaction?

wilbur
11-17-2008, 12:55 PM
If the numbers were reversed.....still the same reaction?

I doubt it.... If Muslims were major group responsible then I would think they would protest them. All the animosity towards Christians, isnt simply because people decided not to like Christians one day for no reason... it's because they are a HUGE political force... often in support of boneheaded actions and decisions for boneheaded reasons.

Organized action from the LDS church was the primary culprit in shooting down gay marriage... both by spending millions to increase voter turn out and by even getting the measures on the ballot in the first place. If Mulsims had done the same, I'm sure there would be plenty of backlash pointed in their direction. They simply arent a meaningful political force in this country.

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 08:42 AM
I doubt it.... If Muslims were major group responsible then I would think they would protest them. All the animosity towards Christians, isnt simply because people decided not to like Christians one day for no reason... it's because they are a HUGE political force... often in support of boneheaded actions and decisions for boneheaded reasons.

Organized action from the LDS church was the primary culprit in shooting down gay marriage... both by spending millions to increase voter turn out and by even getting the measures on the ballot in the first place. If Mulsims had done the same, I'm sure there would be plenty of backlash pointed in their direction. They simply arent a meaningful political force in this country.

And I don't disagree that some of the dominionists are out of control. It's just that there is no dissent in Muslim dominated countries for theological law.
I guess for me it's that Christians today don't tend to cut your head off and put it in a bowling bag if you don't like their stance on marriage or pornography.

FlaGator
11-18-2008, 10:00 AM
I doubt it.... If Muslims were major group responsible then I would think they would protest them. All the animosity towards Christians, isnt simply because people decided not to like Christians one day for no reason... it's because they are a HUGE political force... often in support of boneheaded actions and decisions for boneheaded reasons.

Organized action from the LDS church was the primary culprit in shooting down gay marriage... both by spending millions to increase voter turn out and by even getting the measures on the ballot in the first place. If Mulsims had done the same, I'm sure there would be plenty of backlash pointed in their direction. They simply arent a meaningful political force in this country.


Please elaborate on what boneheaded actions and what boneheaded reaons for the actions. Wouldn't bone headed actions include establishing a special status for a selected or providing greater legal protection under the law for a group or group(s) of individuals.

Could it be that some action seem boneheaded because you don't agree with them?

FlaGator
11-18-2008, 10:09 AM
And I don't disagree that some of the dominionists are out of control. It's just that there is no dissent in Muslim dominated countries for theological law.
I guess for me it's that Christians today don't tend to cut your head off and put it in a bowling bag if you don't like their stance on marriage or pornography.

Wilbur doesn't believe that churches should organize and participate in society outside of the doors of their sanctuaries. He believes that Christians should just sit quietly and let things happen around them and never, ever express an opinion on something that might have its basis in Christian morality. We may be citizens of the United States but Wilbur is of the opinion that once we affiliate with a Christian church we give up all rights in participating in society or expressing how we see society should be. Gays can do this under the rule of Wilbur. See they have a right to express their opinions and can vote their opinions to change the nature of the fabric of society. See, Wilbur doesn't have hypocritical views; he just wants us to accept uber justice for those he feels deserves it.

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 10:21 AM
I wonder why the homosexual crowd isn't breaking in to Mosques and interfering with prayers. After all the Muslims would not only deny a homosexual the right to get married but the right to live as well. I guess having a reputation that involves removing someone’s head from the rest of the body buys that group a bit of leeway. I'd rather interfere with a religion of passivity than a religion of decapitation.
It always cracks me up when I see gays coming out in support of palestine and other groups that would KILL THEM for being homosexuals on site - and against Israel where they are embraced - not just tolerated - embraced. MORONS.

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 10:23 AM
And I don't disagree that some of the dominionists are out of control. It's just that there is no dissent in Muslim dominated countries for theological law.
I guess for me it's that Christians today don't tend to cut your head off and put it in a bowling bag if you don't like their stance on marriage or pornography.
there is no such thing as a dominionist. It's an artificial construct of the left to castigate Conservative Christians who actually live their faith. BTW - you sound an awful lot like cold warrior of late . . . .

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 04:36 PM
Wilbur doesn't believe that churches should organize and participate in society outside of the doors of their sanctuaries. He believes that Christians should just sit quietly and let things happen around them and never, ever express an opinion on something that might have its basis in Christian morality. We may be citizens of the United States but Wilbur is of the opinion that once we affiliate with a Christian church we give up all rights in participating in society or expressing how we see society should be. Gays can do this under the rule of Wilbur. See they have a right to express their opinions and can vote their opinions to change the nature of the fabric of society. See, Wilbur doesn't have hypocritical views; he just wants us to accept uber justice for those he feels deserves it.

That's probably the best way I've heard it put about some Christian Bashers. Not saying Wilbur is...but it's just impossible to have people believe that we aren't supposed to be an society devoid of religion in the public sector.



there is no such thing as a dominionist. It's an artificial construct of the left to castigate Conservative Christians who actually live their faith. BTW - you sound an awful lot like cold warrior of late . . . .

I doubt that. Unfortunately I have first hand experience. I'm related to inlaws who very much fit the Dominionist label. I'm a Christian too...but as to agreeing with what they invision the U.S. becoming, we part ways.

You'll have to explain your last point bit better....I'm a little tone deaf when it comes to people using ad hominems as a substitute for an intelligent argument. It usually speaks to lack of ideas.
Besides...I'll take it as a compliment. At least CW made a coherent effective argument.....even if everyone disagreed with him. When you have an actual point or an original thought, then I might listen.

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 04:41 PM
I doubt that. Unfortunately I have first hand experience. I'm related to inlaws who very much fit the Dominionist label. even so - it's an artificial label created by the left to castigate those Christians who actually live and practice they faith they profess.


I'm a Christian too...but as to agreeing with what they invision the U.S. becoming, we part ways.So that makes them dominionists?


You'll have to explain your last point bit better....I'm a little tone deaf when it comes to people using ad hominems as a substitute for an intelligent argument. It usually speaks to lack of ideas.
Besides...I'll take it as a compliment. At least CW made a coherent effective argument.....even if everyone disagreed with him. When you have an actual point or an original thought, then I might listen.Well I'm glad to see that CW is still here among us. Are you gonna start braying now too?

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 04:46 PM
even so - it's an artificial label created by the left to castigate those Christians who actually live and practice they faith they profess.
So that makes them dominionists?
Well I'm glad to see that CW is still here among us. Are you gonna start braying now too?

Created by whom specifically please?
Sorry...I can't relate. I'm not into conspiracy theories of the left or right.

And yes...it makes them dominionists.

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 04:49 PM
Created by whom specifically please?
Sorry...I can't relate. I'm not into conspiracy theories of the left or right.

And yes...it makes them dominionists.what exactly are the doctrines of dominionism? Can you show me a dominionist site? I mean one made by dominionists? How about a single prodominionst publication? I mean if there are dominionists out there - there must be people advocating Dominionism right? It's a BS construct of the left for people who live their faith.

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 04:56 PM
what exactly are the doctrines of dominionism? Can you show me a dominionist site? I mean one made by dominionists? How about a single prodominionst publication? I mean if there are dominionists out there - there must be people advocating Dominionism right? It's a BS construct of the left for people who live their faith.

Look....I'll make it real simple. It's a title or a label. No one calls themselves that..but that's exactly what it amounts to.
As a Christian I've done my research and I understand the difference between practicing faith and those who wish to do otherwise. I practice my faith just fine without having you made a criminal because you will not kneel before my God or you wish to live with a woman out of wedlock.
Those things are God's to handle....not mine.

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 05:00 PM
Look....I'll make it real simple. It's a title or a label. No one calls themselves that..but that's exactly what it amounts to. What it amounts to is people on the left placing a label on conservative Christians with the intent of demonizing them and creating fear. OH NOES! The CHRISTIANS ARE COMING TO FORCE US ALL TO CONVERT!!!111!!!111!111111!!!1111

As a Christian I've done my research and I understand the difference between practicing faith and those who wish to do otherwise. I practice my faith just fine without having you made a criminal because you will not kneel before my God or you wish to live with a woman out of wedlock.
Those things are God's to handle....not mine.Don't confuse advocacy for morality with a theological doctrine. So they're fundies. Big deal.

wilbur
11-18-2008, 05:05 PM
what exactly are the doctrines of dominionism? Can you show me a dominionist site? I mean one made by dominionists? How about a single prodominionst publication? I mean if there are dominionists out there - there must be people advocating Dominionism right? It's a BS construct of the left for people who live their faith.

See some dominionists in action by watching the Jesus Camp documentary. Check out 10 minutes in when the lady praises the way the indoctrinate kids into Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan :mad:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929535037535102662&ei=STsjSdG5CJKYrQKBlLygDQ&q=jesus+camp

PoliCon
11-18-2008, 05:08 PM
The kids leaving those Madrasa's know their faith inside and out. Give credit where credit is due.

wilbur
11-18-2008, 06:19 PM
Wilbur doesn't believe that churches should organize and participate in society outside of the doors of their sanctuaries. He believes that Christians should just sit quietly and let things happen around them and never, ever express an opinion on something that might have its basis in Christian morality.


No... but it shouldn't be treated virtuous when a group of people advocates government enforcement of a particular belief.. and the foundational justification for the action is little more than some alleged holy book that they believe is gods word or something else equally divorced from practical reality.

This type of thing is so evident in the gay marriage issue... sure there are a few very flimsy justifications that were conjured up after the fact, to make the it seem like there is some sort of practical objective reason for banning it, but nothing with any sort of teeth.



We may be citizens of the United States but Wilbur is of the opinion that once we affiliate with a Christian church we give up all rights in participating in society or expressing how we see society should be. Gays can do this under the rule of Wilbur. See they have a right to express their opinions and can vote their opinions to change the nature of the fabric of society. See, Wilbur doesn't have hypocritical views; he just wants us to accept uber justice for those he feels deserves it.

You don't operate on faith when designing an airplane... society shouldnt operate on faith when drafting public policy. It's simply common sense, that in a pluralistic society, the one common ground between all people is objective, rational thought and methodologies and thats what needs to be employed when we all have to make decisions together. If you want to build a faith powered airplane, you can do that on your own, without forcing the rest of us to take part. Just as if you want to stop gay marriage, you can preach about its 'evils' and your reasons for thinking so, without limiting it by law.

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 06:32 PM
What it amounts to is people on the left placing a label on conservative Christians with the intent of demonizing them and creating fear. OH NOES! The CHRISTIANS ARE COMING TO FORCE US ALL TO CONVERT!!!111!!!111!111111!!!1111 Don't confuse advocacy for morality with a theological doctrine. So they're fundies. Big deal.

I never said that it was a big deal. Simply pointing out that I recognize the difference. You read what you wanted to into what I was saying. I don't fear a Dominionist....as a matter of fact I think I spoke quite clearly earlier about the difference between extremist Muslims and Christians. You were too busy with the name calling to probably notice that I see.

Molon Labe
11-18-2008, 06:36 PM
You don't operate on faith when designing an airplane... society shouldnt operate on faith when drafting public policy. It's simply common sense, that in a pluralistic society, the one common ground between all people is objective, rational thought and methodologies and thats what needs to be employed when we all have to make decisions together. If you want to build a faith powered airplane, you can do that on your own, without forcing the rest of us to take part. Just as if you want to stop gay marriage, you can preach about its 'evils' and your reasons for thinking so, without limiting it by law.

Read Thomas Woods book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to History" for a second opinion on this. He documents quite well how "religious" society was when this nation was founded and exactly what was meant by the First amendment. The left twists this for their own good.
For example...Mass. was essentially ruled by religious doctrines.....It was a state issue.

I hate that term....Common Sense. It really means nothing and just tends to be a way of ending the argument by saying, essentially, "you're stupid"

Constitutionally Speaking
11-19-2008, 01:55 AM
See some dominionists in action by watching the Jesus Camp documentary. Check out 10 minutes in when the lady praises the way the indoctrinate kids into Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan :mad:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929535037535102662&ei=STsjSdG5CJKYrQKBlLygDQ&q=jesus+camp


The vaunted "documentary" Fahrenheit 911 was a pretty fair depiction of Bush also!!!!


:rolleyes::rolleyes:

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 06:44 AM
See some dominionists in action by watching the Jesus Camp documentary. Check out 10 minutes in when the lady praises the way the indoctrinate kids into Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan :mad:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3929535037535102662&ei=STsjSdG5CJKYrQKBlLygDQ&q=jesus+camp

The only people who accepted this a representative of Christians is the people who wanted ammo against Christians. You have be come a dupe for someone else's propaganda.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 10:00 AM
The only people who accepted this a representative of Christians is the people who wanted ammo against Christians. You have be come a dupe for someone else's propaganda.

We were specifically talking about dominionists. I dont think all Christians are like the people who run the camp. There's plenty of footage in the movie of other Christians who are appalled and argue with the lady who runs the camp over her tactics and doctrine.

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 10:17 AM
We were specifically talking about dominionists. I dont think all Christians are like the people who run the camp. There's plenty of footage in the movie of other Christians who are appalled and argue with the lady who runs the camp over her tactics and doctrine.

Sorry if I misconstrued you intentions. It just really gets my goat when I here people use that documentary as an example of typical born-again Christian behavior. It's like watching the Flintstones and assuming that is typified behavior of Neanderthals. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 10:24 AM
Sorry if I misconstrued you intentions. It just really gets my goat when I here people use that documentary as an example of typical born-again Christian behavior. It's like watching the Flintstones and assuming that is typified behavior of Neanderthals. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

No worries.... I'm not THAT bad... sheesh;)

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Sorry if I misconstrued you intentions. It just really gets my goat when I here people use that documentary as an example of typical born-again Christian behavior. It's like watching the Flintstones and assuming that is typified behavior of Neanderthals. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding.

Yeah...I saw it when it was first released. It is not representative of the whole. It tries to portray everyone as blind faith and stupidity and then focuses on another pastor who took a fall.

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 10:53 AM
Yeah...I saw it when it was first released. It is not representative of the whole. It tries to portray everyone as blind faith and stupidity and then focuses on another pastor who took a fall.

It got popular because it plays up to people's stereotypes of rural born again Christians. I believe this was a case where the directory had a prefined view of Christians and then looked around until he found something that fit the bill and then filmed it.

Odysseus
11-19-2008, 11:37 AM
You have a good point about Islam's treatment of homosexuals, but I doubt that many Islamic organizations were politically or financially involved in Prop. 8. Not because they disagree with it, but more because they spend their money on other things.
The Islamic organizations spend their money on the gradual enactment of Shari'a law. This Prop 8 stuff is simply more grist for their mill regarding the immorality of man-made laws vs. the perfection of Shari'a.

US Demographics:
- 78% Christian
- 0.6% Muslim
Just sayin... I think that's your answer.
And, the Christians won't come after them with swords, demand their deaths or stab them in the streets for the insult.
Just sayin'.

We were specifically talking about dominionists. I dont think all Christians are like the people who run the camp. There's plenty of footage in the movie of other Christians who are appalled and argue with the lady who runs the camp over her tactics and doctrine.
If you don't think that they are typical, why run the footage? And why is a minor offshoot of Christianity singled out as an excuse for conduct by activists against a far more mainstream denomination? By that logic, we would be justified in treating all Moslems in the US as if they were terrorists and deport or detain them, or quarantining gays over the dangerous sexual practices of the few.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:42 AM
If you don't think that they are typical, why run the footage? And why is a minor offshoot of Christianity singled out as an excuse for conduct by activists against a far more mainstream denomination? By that logic, we would be justified in treating all Moslems in the US as if they were terrorists and deport or detain them, or quarantining gays over the dangerous sexual practices of the few.because it's acceptable to demonize Christians.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 11:48 AM
The Islamic organizations spend their money on the gradual enactment of Shari'a law. This Prop 8 stuff is simply more grist for their mill regarding the immorality of man-made laws vs. the perfection of Shari'a.

And, the Christians won't come after them with swords, demand their deaths or stab them in the streets for the insult.
Just sayin'.

If you don't think that they are typical, why run the footage? And why is a minor offshoot of Christianity singled out as an excuse for conduct by activists against a far more mainstream denomination? By that logic, we would be justified in treating all Moslems in the US as if they were terrorists and deport or detain them, or quarantining gays over the dangerous sexual practices of the few.

Read the thread to see what the video was in response too.. it was towards Policon claiming that dominionists were mythical and non-existant... and the documentary is about dominionist christians and their indoctrination brainwashing camp.

And honestly people.... wtf is up with this logic? Homosexuals are somehow hypocritical because they are protesting the group that had the largest impact upon the measure they opposed? They simply arent protesting Muslims, because of the perceived threat of violence... instead of the fact that they had little or no impact on the measure at all?

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:55 AM
Read the thread to see what the video was in response too.. it was towards Policon claiming that dominionists were mythical and non-existant... and the documentary is about dominionist christians and their indoctrination brainwashing camp.Like I said - show me a pro-dominionist website. Show me a dominionst publication. Dominionist is a fake label created by the left to be applied to Christians in order to demonize them. The only information out there on Dominionists comes from the left and anti-christian groups.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:58 AM
The problem is not with protests - but with attacks, vandalism, public disturbance - interrupting services and the like. It's just like the way the left refuses to let conservatives speak and when ever possible attack and assault them.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 12:03 PM
The problem is not with protests - but with attacks, vandalism, public disturbance - interrupting services and the like. It's just like the way the left refuses to let conservatives speak and when ever possible attack and assault them.

I agree all that stuff is uncalled for. But people are walking around acting like te mere act of protesting a specifc Christian church is uncalled for.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 12:05 PM
I agree all that stuff is uncalled for. But people are walking around acting like te mere act of protesting a specifc Christian church is uncalled for.and who is doing that?

wilbur
11-19-2008, 12:08 PM
and who is doing that?

Perhaps a segmant of the homosexual population that is about as representative of the whole as your dominionist jesus camp friends are of christianity.

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Like I said - show me a pro-dominionist website. Show me a dominionst publication. Dominionist is a fake label created by the left to be applied to Christians in order to demonize them. The only information out there on Dominionists comes from the left and anti-christian groups.

http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sexy-smileys-944.gif

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 12:18 PM
I agree all that stuff is uncalled for. But people are walking around acting like te mere act of protesting a specifc Christian church is uncalled for.

Protesting is just fine but what we're seeing videos of is not protesting? When the Christian woman had the cross ripped from her hand and thrown on the ground and stomped was that protesting? Threatening Christians will physical harm because they were in the "wrong" part of town praying, that is protesting? What I see happening is not protesting. It is a collective temper tantrum thrown by a bunch of adults who are behaving like spoiled children pissed that they aren't getting their way.

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 12:27 PM
Protesting is just fine but what we're seeing videos of is not protesting? When the Christian woman had the cross ripped from her hand and thrown on the ground and stomped was that protesting? Threatening Christians will physical harm because they were in the "wrong" part of town praying, that is protesting? What I see happening is not protesting. It is a collective temper tantrum thrown by a bunch of adults who are behaving like spoiled children pissed that they aren't getting their way.

There are also no Christians threatening the lives or calling for hatred of a particular group.
Yes....The media focused on the Westboro Baptist nuts...but they adhere little to the New Testament principles of Christianity and are not representative of the whole... I doubt seriously that I could call them Christian...more cult like.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 12:33 PM
Perhaps a segmant of the homosexual population that is about as representative of the whole as your dominionist jesus camp friends are of christianity.you have yet to prove that the camp is dominionist. Hell you have yet to prove that dominionism even exists.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 12:34 PM
http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-sexy-smileys-944.gifa very erudite argument you are presenting there. :rolleyes:

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 12:37 PM
a very erudite argument you are presenting there. :rolleyes:


I gave you an answer earlier. Take a lesson from Wilbur and FG on how to argue the topic. I'm entirely convinced they are open to each others argument. You believe what you wish to believe.

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 12:40 PM
There are also no Christians threatening the lives or calling for hatred of a particular group.
Yes....The media focused on the Westboro Baptist nuts...but they adhere little to the New Testament principles of Christianity and are not representative of the whole... I doubt seriously that I could call them Christian...more cult like.

I try not to pass judgment on someone else's Christian spirituality but you know... some people make it really hard. ;)

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 12:41 PM
I gave you an answer earlier. Take a lesson from Wilbur and FG on how to argue the topic. I'm entirely convinced they are open to each others argument. You believe what you wish to believe.
lol so because I'm not so open minded that my brain has fallen out - you can make obscene gestures at me? lol I'm more than willing to consider the existence of dominionists when you can show me just one pro-dominionist site. Just one.

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 12:43 PM
I gave you an answer earlier. Take a lesson from Wilbur and FG on how to argue the topic. I'm entirely convinced they are open to each others argument. You believe what you wish to believe.

Wilbur and I are probably masochists at heart because we actually enjoy debating these issues.

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 12:53 PM
lol so because I'm not so open minded that my brain has fallen out - you can make obscene gestures at me? lol I'm more than willing to consider the existence of dominionists when you can show me just one pro-dominionist site. Just one.

Don't worry....I doubt one would ever mistake you for being "open minded". You want it both ways: Demanding answers but refusing to answer questions posed to you. The response warranted the tired question.


God does not grant religious neutrality to the State. The State must kiss the Son or perish by the way. Christianity is the true politics. The Church must start living out this truth with every breath that she takes. Only when she does will the world be delivered from the tyranny and idolatry of the politics of man." - Stephen Perks, "Christianity as a Political Faith" in Christianity & Society, Vol. XIV, No. 2.

This is rom the Kuyper foundation

I'm all for Christianity in practice of this society: for example it's perfectly OK to have the ten commandments posted in a public building or for people to display a manger scene or sing explicitily religious carols at Christmas in a public building...or a prayer at a College graduation.
But...that statement is not representative of the role of the Chrisitan or the Church in public affairs...nor is it scriptural, in my opinion. I have yet to find reference to this in the New Testament. If I'm mistaken then I'm sure someone with more knowledge on the subject will enlighten me.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 01:17 PM
Wilbur and I are probably masochists at heart because we actually enjoy debating these issues.I'm more than willing to debate something - if it can be proven to exist. Trouble is - no one can demonstrate that it exists. I might as well debate the moon being made of green cheese.

Odysseus
11-19-2008, 01:26 PM
I agree all that stuff is uncalled for. But people are walking around acting like te mere act of protesting a specifc Christian church is uncalled for.
Violent invasion of someone else's place of worship, disruption of the service and assaulting the congregation are not protests, they are the tactics of the SturmArbeitalung.

Perhaps a segmant of the homosexual population that is about as representative of the whole as your dominionist jesus camp friends are of christianity.
Right, Bash Back, ACT UP, Queer Nation, Dykes on Bikes aren't representative of the political face of gay activism. :rolleyes: This attack on a protestant church is new, only in that the gay activists have picked a new denomination to attack, but this is exactly the way that they've disrupted Catholic services in NYC for years. The St Patrick's Day Parade in NYC is constantly under attack by gay activists, who constantly try to enter St. Patrick's Cathedral and disrupt the mass. How many times to gay activists have to attack churches before it's considered "representative?"

Odysseus
11-19-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm more than willing to debate something - if it can be proven to exist. Trouble is - no one can demonstrate that it exists. I might as well debate the moon being made of green cheese.

My sources say that it's stilton, with a touch of brie. :D

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 03:05 PM
My sources say that it's stilton, with a touch of brie. :D

Swiss... you can tell by all the craters.;)

Odysseus
11-19-2008, 03:09 PM
Swiss... you can tell by all the craters.;)

Swiss usually isn't green, although it has been up there for a while... ;)

Odysseus
11-19-2008, 06:58 PM
Michelle Malkin documents the madness (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MzU5MTc2MDU2ZmVjMWNiNTZhZjc0NDBlZjE3MWM5ZTI=)


Before Election Day, national media handwringers forged a wildly popular narrative: The right was, in the words of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, gripped by “insane rage.” Outbreaks of incivility (some real, but mostly imagined) were proof positive of the extremist takeover of the Republican party. The cluck-cluckers and tut-tutters shook with fear.

But when the GOP took a beating on Nov. 4, no mass protests ensued; no nationwide boycotts erupted. Conservatives took their lumps and began the peaceful post-defeat process of self-flagellation, self-analysis and self-autopsy.

In fact, in the wake of campaign 2008 there’s only one angry mob gripped by “insane rage”: left-wing same-sex marriage activists incensed at their defeat in California. Voters there approved Proposition 8, a traditional marriage initiative, by 52 percent to 48 percent.

Instead of introspection and self-criticism, however, the sore losers who opposed Prop. 8 responded with threats, fists and blacklists.

That’s right. Activists have published on the Internet an “Anti-Gay Blacklist” of Prop. 8 donors. If the tables were turned and Prop. 8 proponents created such an enemies list, everyone in Hollywood would be screaming “McCarthyism” faster than you could count to eight.

A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted business, intimidated patrons and brought employees to tears. Out of fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Cafe pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

Scott Eckern, the beleaguered artistic director of California Musical Theatre in Sacramento, was forced to resign over his $1,000 donation to the Prop. 8 campaign. Rich Raddon, director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, is next on the chopping block after the anti-Prop. 8 mob discovered that he had also contributed to the “Yes on 8” campaign. Calls have been pouring in for his firing.

Over the last two weeks, anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—-ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.”

Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religion-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX.” Another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

In Carlsbad, Calif., a man was charged with punching his elderly neighbors over their pro-Prop. 8 signs. In Palm Springs, Calif., a videographer filmed unhinged anti-Prop. 8 marchers who yanked a large cross from the hands of 69-year-old Phyllis Burgess and stomped on it.

In San Francisco, Christians evangelizing in the Castro District needed police protection after the same-sex marriage mob got physical and hounded them off the streets. Enthusiastically shooting themselves in the foot, anti-Prop. 8 boycotters are now going after the left-wing Sundance Film Festival because it does business in Mormon-friendly Utah.

Also targeted: Cinemark Theaters across the country. The company’s CEO, Alan Stock, donated just under $10,000 to the traditional marriage measure. Never mind that Cinemark theaters are hosting the new biopic about gay icon Harvey Milk. They must pay for the sins of the company head who dared to exercise his political free speech.

Corporate honchos, church leaders, and small donors alike are in the same-sex marriage mob’s crosshairs, all unfairly demonized as hate-filled bigots by bona fide hate-filled bigots who have abandoned decency in pursuit of “equal rights.” One wonders where Barack Obama — himself an opponent of Proposition 8 — is as this insane rage rages on. Soul-Fixer, Nation-Healer, where art thou?

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