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FlaGator
11-19-2008, 09:40 AM
I guess this comes as no big surprise, but it is not to see it validated.

majority of the people in America believes TV and movie executives do not share the religious and moral values of most people in the country, according to a recently released survey.

Released during the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)ís 2008 Annual Meeting in Los Angeles, the national poll of 1,000 American adults found that 59 percent of Americans agree that "the people who run the TV networks and the major movie studios do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans."

Furthermore, the poll found that 61 percent of Americans continue to believe that religious values in this country are "under attack."

"The belief that religion is under attack underlies the drive to incorporate more religion into American public life,Ē commented ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman in the reportís announcement last Friday.



Read the rest here (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081119/2-in-3-believe-values-of-most-americans-not-shared-by-hollywood.htm)

linda22003
11-19-2008, 09:45 AM
"Other questions asked by the survey included whether "dangerous ideas should be banned from public school libraries" .......Thirty-eight percent of respondents agree with the [former] statement and 59 percent disagree.

Whew, at least there's still some acceptance of free speech. :o

Gingersnap
11-19-2008, 10:34 AM
"Other questions asked by the survey included whether "dangerous ideas should be banned from public school libraries" .......Thirty-eight percent of respondents agree with the [former] statement and 59 percent disagree.

Whew, at least there's still some acceptance of free speech. :o

Kind of. Try being a kid in school and wearing a t-shirt promoting heterosexual monogamy, pro-life views, or sports involving firearms. There's your free speech right there. Oh, wait! Free speech now looks like an inside out t-shirt! :p

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 10:36 AM
"Other questions asked by the survey included whether "dangerous ideas should be banned from public school libraries" .......Thirty-eight percent of respondents agree with the [former] statement and 59 percent disagree.

Whew, at least there's still some acceptance of free speech. :o

I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as free speech. There is simply unregulated speech and regulated speech. The fact that some speech is regulated means that there is no real free speech. It's like a half a truth. Half a truth is a whole lie.

megimoo
11-19-2008, 11:23 AM
Kind of. Try being a kid in school and wearing a t-shirt promoting heterosexual monogamy, pro-life views, or sports involving firearms. There's your free speech right there. Oh, wait! Free speech now looks like an inside out t-shirt! :p
Christians are denied free speech every day in this formally great country.In schools,at work,in public at gatherings and now even in their churches.

You must be sensitive to the feelings of a critter that is having its sex 'readjusted ' to match its feelings of inadequacy and sexual confusion .Its rights are much more important than yours and the right to what ever lieux d'aisances they may require. The forces of 'progress ' and their 'fellow travelers' have put an end to Our free speech in the name of 'fairness and inclusion.

It doesn't matter if these deviates are are at the low edge of humanity with their abhorant tastes in sex with animals ,human and actual.The 'big tent 'of the former Democratic party has been usurped in the name of 'Fairness' and 'understanding' and anything goes if they bring cash and riots into play for Homosexual equality and deviates 'rights' !

wilbur
11-19-2008, 11:35 AM
Many more people today seem to be vocal with dissenting opinions towards religious beliefs... but this doesnt mean religion is under attack... as in persecution.

It just means that increasingly, religious views are subject to the same sort of criticisms that every other idea is subject to (or should be). In other words... the immunity from criticism that religion has enjoyed for so long is (hopefully) over.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:38 AM
Kind of. Try being a kid in school and wearing a t-shirt promoting heterosexual monogamy, pro-life views, or sports involving firearms. There's your free speech right there. Oh, wait! Free speech now looks like an inside out t-shirt! :poh yea. Free speech in public Schools. Wow. http://www.pioneerlocal.com/oakpark/news/1285975,el-mccaingirl-111908-s1.article

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:40 AM
Many more people today seem to be vocal with dissenting opinions towards religious beliefs... but this doesnt mean religion is under attack... as in persecution.

It just means that increasingly, religious views are subject to the same sort of criticisms that every other idea is subject to (or should be). In other words... the immunity from criticism that religion has enjoyed for so long is (hopefully) over.oh bullshit. When people are being told that they cannot wear a cross at work - that's persecution.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 11:45 AM
oh bullshit. When people are being told that they cannot wear a cross at work - that's persecution.

Are you referring to some specific situation here?

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 11:52 AM
Are you referring to some specific situation here?a court case here in pa a few years back where a teachers aid was released from her job for wearing a cross.

wilbur
11-19-2008, 12:01 PM
a court case here in pa a few years back where a teachers aid was released from her job for wearing a cross.

Well, that one case certainly proves that the nationwide institutionalized and systematic persecution of Christianity is real!:rolleyes:

What was the outcome of the case, by the way? In most similar cases I have heard about the employee has been reinstated and the courts affirmed their rights to wear crosses or other religious symbols. Muslim women in headscarves don't always have such a positive outcome though.

FlaGator
11-19-2008, 12:03 PM
Many more people today seem to be vocal with dissenting opinions towards religious beliefs... but this doesnt mean religion is under attack... as in persecution.

It just means that increasingly, religious views are subject to the same sort of criticisms that every other idea is subject to (or should be). In other words... the immunity from criticism that religion has enjoyed for so long is (hopefully) over.


Not generally being a slippery slope person I must deviate from that. Vocal dissention is the beginning and it will embolden others to do more than vocalize their opposition. Isn't that the premise the liberals use for regulating hate speech? That it will lead others to do more than just talk.

Religious views being criticized is one thing but what we're seeing here is not constructive criticism. It is threatening speech. Look at the video from SF. One protester tells the Christians he's going to follow them all the way home. If that is not an implied threat then I don't know what is.

PoliCon
11-19-2008, 12:04 PM
One protester tells the Christians he's going to follow them all the way home. If that is not an implied threat then I don't know what is.But that's okay. He's a leftist. They're tolerant. :rolleyes:

enslaved1
11-19-2008, 12:52 PM
I guess this comes as no big surprise, but it is not to see it validated.


Read the rest here (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081119/2-in-3-believe-values-of-most-americans-not-shared-by-hollywood.htm)

What always annoys me about the whole "Hollywood is pushing different values" is that it would not be a big deal if parents were doing their jobs and raising their kids instead of letting Hollywood do it. Al Bundy and Homer Simpson weren't that big a deal until they were the only examples of fatherhood kids were seeing in their homes on a regular basis. Shows dealing with sexual issues of high schoolers weren't such a big deal until it was the only place kids were being told what is right and wrong about sexuality. If parents were stepping up and doing their jobs, Hollywood values becomes a non-issue and they could get back to their job of entertaining us.

Speedy
11-19-2008, 01:22 PM
Here's what gets me about Hollywood. You have actors like George Clooney who are oh so "progressive" with their wailing and screeching about the treatment of the rest of the world and how unfair and all of this other shit. Yet what are the roles that people like him best in? His biggest successes at the box office have been when he plays macho, undyingly American characters who have pretty conservative values. Lt. Col. Devoe, the slightly corrupt, but two fisted, flag waving, "follow me" Special Ops officer in The Peacemaker. Captain Archie Gates in Three Kings leading a band National Guardsmen on a hunt for stolen Kuwaiti gold during the Persian Gulf War.

Jaime Foxx is one of the biggest liberals in Hollywood, yet what has he been a hit playing as an actor? His last role in a hit was as FBI Special Agent Ron Fleury leading an elite team of FBI operatives kicking Islamist ass in Saudi Arabia in The Kingdom. Ironically another anti-American meme spouting actor was in this one also. Chris Cooper, playing a devout Christian of all things.

The characters that have become part of Americana like Rocky, Dirty Harry Callaghan, Batman, Rambo, Superman are all the epitome of conservative and American values while often the actors playing them are not.

linda22003
11-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Kind of. Try being a kid in school and wearing a t-shirt promoting heterosexual monogamy, pro-life views, or sports involving firearms.

When I was in school we had to dress better than that, and t-shirts with any sayings on them at all were out of the question. Maybe we should return to more a more civilized appearance in schools, to solve that problem.

linda22003
11-19-2008, 01:38 PM
Christians are denied free speech every day in this formally great country.

Does it matter if it's formal instead of informal? :confused:

linda22003
11-19-2008, 01:39 PM
Its rights are much more important than yours and the right to what ever lieux d'aisances they may require.

Whatever what? What are you trying to say? I can't even guess at this one.

Speedy
11-19-2008, 01:39 PM
When I was in school we had to dress better than that, and t-shirts with any sayings on them at all were out of the question. Maybe we should return to more a more civilized appearance in schools, to solve that problem.

My t-shirts usually said Triumph, Norton or Harley Davidson on them.

CueSi
11-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Here's what gets me about Hollywood. You have actors like George Clooney who are oh so "progressive" with their wailing and screeching about the treatment of the rest of the world and how unfair and all of this other shit. Yet what are the roles that people like him best in? His biggest successes at the box office have been when he plays macho, undyingly American characters who have pretty conservative values. Lt. Col. Devoe, the slightly corrupt, but two fisted, flag waving, "follow me" Special Ops officer in The Peacemaker. Captain Archie Gates in Three Kings leading a band National Guardsmen on a hunt for stolen Kuwaiti gold during the Persian Gulf War.

Jaime Foxx is one of the biggest liberals in Hollywood, yet what has he been a hit playing as an actor? His last role in a hit was as FBI Special Agent Ron Fleury leading an elite team of FBI operatives kicking Islamist ass in Saudi Arabia in The Kingdom. Ironically another anti-American meme spouting actor was in this one also. Chris Cooper, playing a devout Christian of all things.

The characters that have become part of Americana like Rocky, Dirty Harry Callaghan, Batman, Rambo, Superman are all the epitome of conservative and American values while often the actors playing them are not.

Dude, it's called acting. Jimmy Stewart's gone, and he's never coming back.

At least you can appreciate The Mighty Jon Voight in Transformers playing a REAL SecDef... :p

~QC

Speedy
11-19-2008, 01:52 PM
Dude, it's called acting. Jimmy Stewart's gone, and he's never coming back.

At least you can appreciate The Mighty Jon Voight in Transformers playing a REAL SecDef... :p

~QC


Never meant to imply it was anything else. It is acting. Colin Farrell did a great job of it playing FBI Special Agent Danny Wetwer in Minority Report. The Wetwer character was a very pious Christian who prayed twice on screen. Once before engaging in fisticuffs with the movie's hero protaganist and once before he was executed by the movie villain. I felt that Farrell did a very good job of pulling that role off.

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 02:08 PM
Never meant to imply it was anything else. It is acting. Colin Farrell did a great job of it playing FBI Special Agent Danny Wetwer in Minority Report. The Wetwer character was a very pious Christian who prayed twice on screen. Once before engaging in fisticuffs with the movie's hero protaganist and once before he was executed by the movie villain. I felt that Farrell did a very good job of pulling that role off.

Very good point and something I hardly noticed being a fan of the film. Nice observation.

noonwitch
11-19-2008, 04:02 PM
I don't go see a lot of movies at the theater, I have HBO and a dvd player and generally wait to watch them on one or the other.

What I've noticed is that there aren't many happy movies out there. Most are dark, violent and many are stupid. I haven't seen The Dark Knight yet, and know that it is coming onto video in December. I've read good reviews, but I have heard its really intensely violent and very dark in tone. I'm kind of hesitant to see it, or I would have gone to the theater.

I watched Elizabeth: The Golden Age on HBO recently and found that to be good. I really liked Hairspray, and so did my nieces.

Molon Labe
11-19-2008, 04:50 PM
I don't go see a lot of movies at the theater, I have HBO and a dvd player and generally wait to watch them on one or the other.

What I've noticed is that there aren't many happy movies out there. Most are dark, violent and many are stupid. I haven't seen The Dark Knight yet, and know that it is coming onto video in December. I've read good reviews, but I have heard its really intensely violent and very dark in tone. I'm kind of hesitant to see it, or I would have gone to the theater.

I watched Elizabeth: The Golden Age on HBO recently and found that to be good. I really liked Hairspray, and so did my nieces.

whats essentially different in the Batman movies of late is that the violence much more resembles violence portrayed on screen prior to the film MPAA ratings. Yes their is stabbing, and bullets and fighting....but you see little blood, if any and most of the really violent scenes are portrayed with peoples backs to you or out of the camera shot.
At least that's my take.

Constitutionally Speaking
11-19-2008, 07:36 PM
Are you referring to some specific situation here?

You really aren't paying attention are you?

The Theater worker in California just got fired/resigned under pressure for espousing his pro prop 8 views.

The Christians who were assaulted in the Castro district,

Christianity is under a full out assault and YOUR freedoms as well as mine are at risk if the anti-Christians succeed.