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megimoo
11-30-2008, 12:50 PM
Next 48 hours are very important—Pakistan warns India not to over-react, terror attacks may trigger Indian response .


ISLAMABAD: India has threatened of dire consequences to Pakistan after Mumbai terror attacks and the coming 48 hours are very important, military sources said on Saturday.

According to the ARY report the war can not benefit any side but if India imposed war Pakistan will go to the last limit for its defence, the sources said.

In case of war no weakness will be shown at the western border, the sources added.
On the other hand President Asif Ali Zardari warned India Saturday against any ‘over-reaction’ after the militant attacks in Mumbai and vowed the ‘strictest’ action if Pakistani involvement was proved.
“Whoever is responsible for the brutal and crude act against the Indian people and India are looking for reaction,” Zardari said in an interview with Indian CNN-IBN television.

“We have to rise above them and make sure ourselves, yourself and world community guard against over-reaction,” he said according to an interview transcript issued by the Press Trust of India. The Indian government has blamed “elements in Pakistan” for the attack by Islamist militants against multiple targets in Mumbai that left nearly 200 people dead.

Zardari promised that he would take immediate and strong measures if proof was provided of Pakistani involvement. “Let me assure you that if any evidence points to any individual or any group in this part of the world, I shall take the strictest of action in the light of this evidence and in front of the world,” he said.

Zardari argued that reducing the Mumbai attacks to an India-Pakistan problem was counter-productive. “This is a world threat and all the more reason we have to stand up against this threat together,” he said. Meanwhile US officials fear that should the firm evidence emerge that the Mumbai terror attacks were planned and directed from within Pakistan, it would certainly escalate tension between the neighbouring countries and could also provoke an Indian military response, even strikes against militants, a media report said on Saturday. Quoting the officials in Washington, The New York Times said there was no evidence that Pakistani government had any role in the attacks.


http://regionaltimes.com/30nov2008/frontpagenews/next48.htm

megimoo
11-30-2008, 01:11 PM
Mumbai terror attacks: India fury at Pakistan as bloody siege is crushed

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Tensions between India and Pakistan escalated last night after it was claimed that the only terrorist to have survived three days of deadly battles in Mumbai was from Pakistans Lashkar-e-Taiba and that his nine fellow Islamist militants were either from that country or had been trained there.

The claims about responsibility for the attack, in which almost 200 people were killed, came from leaked police accounts that gave details of the interrogation of Azam Amir Kasab, 21, said to have been the man pictured at Mumbai's main train station carrying an assault rifle and grenades.

According to the reports, which could not be independently verified, Kasab said that the operation was the responsibility of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a jihadist group based in Pakistan, and its aim was to 'kill as many as possible' in what was intended to be India's 9/11.

The claims were made as Indian special forces ended the violent sieges around Mumbai with the killing of the final three terrorists holding out in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel - where British survivors had walked through rooms strewn with bodies and 'blood and guts' as they were led to safety.

The allegations about Pakistan emerged as India was confronted with the full horror of the past few days. Reporters were allowed into the wrecked and scorched remains of the Taj Mahal and Trident-Oberoi hotels, where scores of victims had been murdered.

Public anger in India has been mounting following allegations linking Pakistan to the attacks. They include:

• Kasab's claim that militants were trained in two camps run by Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan.

• Allegations that phones found on a trawler suspected of ferrying the gunmen to Mumbai had been used to contact Pakistan.

• The claim by India's minister of state for home affairs, Sri Prakash Jaiswal, that 'the investigation carried out so far has revealed the hand of Pakistan-based groups in the Mumbai attack'.

In response to the claim that the attackers were either Pakistanis or had been trained there, a senior Pakistani official said troops would be sent to the border if tensions continued to rise.

However, despite initial claims, it became increasingly certain that there was no involvement of British-based fundamentalists. Police forces across the UK denied they were investigating named individuals and Gordon Brown said there was no evidence linking any of the terrorist to the UK.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/30/mumbai-terror-attacks-india3

megimoo
11-30-2008, 01:14 PM
Red Alert: Possible Geopolitical Consequences of the Mumbai Attacks (Open Access)


"What a time for America to have an amateur POTUS making decisions !"

If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray.

Analysis

Militant Attacks In Mumbai and Their Consequences

At this point the situation on the ground in Mumbai remains unclear following the militant attacks of Nov. 26. But in order to understand the geopolitical significance of what is going on, it is necessary to begin looking beyond this event at what will follow. Though the situation is still in motion, the likely consequences of the attack are less murky.

We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack.

Given this, the Indian government has two choices.

First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public.

On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action.

This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were.

That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002.

If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge.

The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public.

This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan.

If that happens, Pakistan will find itself in a nutcracker. On the one side, the Indians will be threatening action — deliberately vague but menacing — along with the Americans.

This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage (or worse) in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day.

There is a precedent for this.

In December 2001 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in New Delhi by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan.

A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. The crisis helped redefine the Pakistani position on Islamist radicals in Pakistan.

In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately.

The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan.
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http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20081126_red_alert

Full-Auto
11-30-2008, 01:41 PM
They've fought wars over far less.

Now that they're both nuclear, I hope cooler heads prevail.

FlaGator
11-30-2008, 02:21 PM
They've fought wars over far less.

Now that they're both nuclear, I hope cooler heads prevail.

Sounds like Pakistan may be trying to do the wise thing. Perhaps India should bide its time and see if Pakistan's heart is really into making things right.

megimoo
11-30-2008, 03:00 PM
Mumbai attacks: 'It's war' declares Indian press

The world's media reflect on the terrorist attacks in Mumbai "It's war," declares the editorial in the Times of India.

http://in.reuters.com/news/pictures/cslideshow?sj=2008112995736.js&sn=Multiple attacks in Mumbai&sl=114

"The scale, intensity and level of orchestration of terror attacks in Mumbai put one thing beyond doubt: India is effectively at war and it has deadly enemies in its midst." Its coverage draws parallels with the September 11 attacks and says the attacks are in part a consequence of the war on terror.

But it urges Indians not to blame Muslims. "Terrorists have no religion. Political bickering on this issue is divisive; what India needs now is unity."

A New York Times correspondent is sending on-the-spot updates from his BlackBerry. The story is being updated by hundreds of Twitter feeds by users including mumbaifeed, primaveron and CharlieKalech.

"Twitter comes of age," declares the Guardian.

The attacks are extensively covered all over the world as confusion surrounds the details of the various sieges and the number of people killed, injured and still held hostage.

The Jerusalem Post reports of the "terrible wait" for news of Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his Israeli colleagues in the Jewish centre.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that two Australians are among the dead.

All of the British newspapers carry stories of the killing of the British hostage Andreas Liveras. He was shot after telling the BBC that "everybody is just living on their nerves", reports the Sun.

The Guardian carries a gripping account of a night of terror by Andrew Bettina, a hostage who was rescued from the Taj Mahal hotel. "How do you make a text message mean something when you're shaking so much you can't press the buttons?" he writes.

Who were the terrorists?

Indian diplomatic sources pointed the finger at Pakistan, but says home-grown militants are the prime suspects.

"While the attack was highly organised, it was not necessarily that advanced in terms of technology, with automatic weapons and grenades. It had more the look of a small-scale guerrilla war than a typical al-Qaeda attack."

What will happen to diplomatic relations between India and Pakistan?

The Financial Times leads with the Indian prime minister, Manmohan Singh, pointing the finger at Pakistan.

Pakistan denies involvement .

The Economist says: "If Indian suspicions again point to a Pakistani involvement, the slow thawing of relations between the two hostile neighbours will revert to the deep freeze."

Pakistan's Dawn newspaper urges India not to rush to judgment. "Although one can understand the anger and concern which is widely felt, one would still advise the exercise of constraint in this hour of crisis."

Based on an extract from the Wrap, guardian.co.uk's digest of the day's news
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2008/nov/28/mumbai-terror-attacks-pakistan

megimoo
11-30-2008, 03:27 PM
Doctors shocked at hostages's torture(Israelis were killed on the first day) rediff.com (134)

The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: "Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again," he said.

Corroborating the doctors' claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. "During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis," an IB source said.

It is also said that the Israeli hostages were killed on the first day as keeping them hostage for too long would have focused too much international attention. "They also might have feared the chances of Israeli security agencies taking over the operations at the Nariman House," he reasoned.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/link/112736_Doctors_shocked_at_hostagess_torture(Israel is_were_killed_on_the_first_day)

Comments:

My families prayers and thoughts go out to all the victims and the survivors of this horrific act. Words can't bring back the lives lost as there is nothing that can. I can only hope and pray for the tortured souls to find some peace in the rest of humanity and their faiths, secure in the knowledge that man kind is not all a bunch of sick animals.

It's plain to be seen that the brainwashing that goes to creating terrorists still gos on. Every effort must be put into finding those who breed such a sickness and put them down immediately. It matters not whose religion they claim nor what they claim to justify such horror. The time to let go of barriers and boundaries, if only for this one purpose, is now. All out effort must be made to find these mad people and destroy them. There simply is no excuse for this to ever happen again.

John Campbell, Bakersfield, CA., U.S.A., 30/11/2008 02:49
While the world chastizes George Bush for instituting supposedly "draconian" security measures, there has NOT been a successful attack in the US since our wake-up call on 9-11. Softer targets (especially those with nuclear-armed neighbors) may be well served by this tragic event, and follow some examples set. Israel was first and foremost in having to protect itself in what critics like to call "draconian" fashion. The US followed suit. Spain's reaction was that of capitulation. Perhaps now it's India's turn to see the light. Who's next?

Stephen Strachan, York, PA USA, 30/11/2008 02:46
Whoever these men were, wherever they were from, whatever group sponsored them...they were and are evil, their plan and their cause are vile, a profane, debauched, twisted perversion.

For our friends in India, I wish you all peace. You will recover from this wound. Eventually, you will find justice and the wicked among us will be made to pay for their crimes.

Justice must be taken to any remaining terrorists -- anywhere they might be.