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Teetop
06-18-2008, 04:54 PM
Link (http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml )

Was Obama's "Certificate of Birth" manufactured?
Posted by Polarik on Friday, June 20, 2008 12:00:00 AM
The Daily Kos blog has posted a JPG that allegedly is Barack Obama's "Certificate of Birth." From a detailed analysis of the image and the text, it looks like it was created by a graphics program, and is not a true copy of an original, certified document.

I've been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them. Printer output is quite different from the text created by a graphics program, and even if a document looks "official," it may not be.

The "Certificate of Birth," which I will call "COB," is posted on the Kos website as a color JPG. The reason for making it a color JPG, IMHO, is to induce the viewer to believe that this is a genuine copy of an original document -- something that a black & white, or even greyscale, reproduction would not convey as well.

Basically, anyone could have produced this document on his or her own computer, and I'll tell you why.

As represented by the JPG, the "original" COB seems to be a sheet of paper measuring 8.09" x 7.90" with a green "Rattan" pattern embedded in, or printed on, the paper and a "Bamboo mat" pattern for its border:

(snip)

:confused:

Who knows?

biccat
06-18-2008, 08:33 PM
Some pretty convincing arguments that the author makes.

Is there no one born in 1961 in Hawaii that can settle this matter once and for all? Post a copy of the original, call Hawaii and get a new birth certificate. Problem solved.

megimoo
06-18-2008, 08:44 PM
Some pretty convincing arguments that the author makes.

Is there no one born in 1961 in Hawaii that can settle this matter once and for all? Post a copy of the original, call Hawaii and get a new birth certificate. Problem solved.By this time they have covered their trail like Clinton's missing passport pages and Kerry's Dishonorable/Undesirable Military Discharge cover up !

RogerC
06-18-2008, 11:18 PM
By this time they have covered their trail like Clinton's missing passport pages and Kerry's Dishonorable/Undesirable Military Discharge cover up !

Still, I have to believe that there is somebody who was born in Hawaii in the same year who has an official, un-doctored birth certificate we could all look at, to compare with Obama's. I don't know anybody personally who was born in Hawaii. Anybody out there who can help?

Elspeth
06-19-2008, 02:09 AM
I wouldn't put anything past this bunch, but you can be sure that Schwarzeneggar is just waiting in the wings. :)

linda22003
06-19-2008, 07:48 AM
This might be a good time to remember what Mike Huckabee said yesterday. :rolleyes:

Teetop
06-19-2008, 10:46 AM
A REAL certification of live birth. (http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=169)

Different border and it's stamped.

Goldwater
06-19-2008, 11:14 AM
Giuliani still ran for office with his knighthood didn't he? As has been shown, no one takes the constitution seriously anymore with one of the only exceptions being when people want to keep their guns.

linda22003
06-19-2008, 11:40 AM
Do people really believe Obama was born in Kenya or somewhere that disqualifies him from running?

Gingersnap
06-19-2008, 02:43 PM
Oh, please!!!!!!!

There a million reasons not to vote this guy but his citizenship status isn't one of them. If you request a certified copy of any birth or death certificate in Colorado, you get a nifty modern document generated by a software program. It's the same everywhere.

:rolleyes:

linda22003
06-19-2008, 02:46 PM
Another voice of reason. Too bad there are so few of us. Really, why all the paranoid crap, when the issues alone are enough to be against him?

Gingersnap
06-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Another voice of reason. Too bad there are so few of us. Really, why all the paranoid crap, when the issues alone are enough to be against him?

People love a conspiracy, I guess.

linda22003
06-19-2008, 03:06 PM
They always do, but it's particularly virulent this year and it saddens me to come to the conclusion that it is primarily racially based. It shouldn't surprise me, but it does disappoint me.

biccat
06-19-2008, 03:42 PM
Oh, please!!!!!!!

There a million reasons not to vote this guy but his citizenship status isn't one of them.
The issue is whether he is Constitutionally qualified to run for office. Should we just abandon the requirement for a "natural born?" May as well get rid of that pesky "citizen" part too, so we can open voting up to foreign nationals. :rolleyes:

linda22003
06-19-2008, 04:06 PM
The issue is whether he is Constitutionally qualified to run for office.

I have to believe this was vetted in the beginning, if for no other reason than if there were any doubt, the Clintons would have wasted no time in raising the issue.

biccat
06-19-2008, 04:11 PM
I have to believe this was vetted in the beginning, if for no other reason than if there were any doubt, the Clintons would have wasted no time in raising the issue.
Or maybe this is the story that Hillary was waiting to surface, and delayed her concession. The Clintons don't work directly, they work through agents. Or maybe she didn't want to raise this issue.

There's no raised stamp on the document, there's no signature, both pretty compelling evidence against the authenticity of it.

The fact that Kos was the first (and only) person to get this information from the Obama campaign is also fairly stinky.

linda22003
06-19-2008, 04:14 PM
Well, just post your suspicions on ConspiracyTheory@BlackHelicopters.com and see who runs with it. :p

Gingersnap
06-19-2008, 05:26 PM
The issue is whether he is Constitutionally qualified to run for office. Should we just abandon the requirement for a "natural born?" May as well get rid of that pesky "citizen" part too, so we can open voting up to foreign nationals. :rolleyes:

What makes you believe he isn't? Do you think he was born Nepal and smuggled into Hawaii in his mom's suitcase? I just don't know what makes you or anyone suspect he's a foreign national.:confused:

biccat
06-19-2008, 05:44 PM
What makes you believe he isn't? Do you think he was born Nepal and smuggled into Hawaii in his mom's suitcase? I just don't know what makes you or anyone suspect he's a foreign national.:confused:
The fact that his father was Kenyan and his mother spent quite a bit of time there. Especially relevant is that his certificate of live birth was dated four days after his birthday. You would expect the hospital would have taken care of that immediately. Besides, how is this a difficult burden to settle? McCain has already had to answer questions about his birth, so why not Obama? McCain's is no more questionable than Obama's, yet the Dems made a big stink about McCain.

I think it's funny that linda dismisses this as a conspiracy theory, but the idea that the Clintons are all-powerful is an accepted fact. :rolleyes:

Goldwater
06-19-2008, 07:41 PM
Apparently, conspiracy theories are ok when they're about Obama.

linda22003
06-20-2008, 07:44 AM
I think it's funny that linda dismisses this as a conspiracy theory, but the idea that the Clintons are all-powerful is an accepted fact. :rolleyes:

Nah, I think the Clinton conspiracy theories are equally funny, and my own birth certificate is dated a few days after my birth. It's also written in very neat Palmer method handwriting, in fountain pen.

Gingersnap
06-20-2008, 10:11 AM
The fact that his father was Kenyan and his mother spent quite a bit of time there. Especially relevant is that his certificate of live birth was dated four days after his birthday. You would expect the hospital would have taken care of that immediately. Besides, how is this a difficult burden to settle? McCain has already had to answer questions about his birth, so why not Obama? McCain's is no more questionable than Obama's, yet the Dems made a big stink about McCain.

I think it's funny that linda dismisses this as a conspiracy theory, but the idea that the Clintons are all-powerful is an accepted fact. :rolleyes:

It's not relevant that the certificate was issued several days later - they all are. The hospital has to fill out all the paperwork and send it to whatever passes for Vital Records in that state.

Nobody in Hawaii is disputing Obama's birth there. The state certainly isn't. The guy is young enough that someone involved with the family would remember if there was anything funny going on. Besides, you just know that the Clintons would have already run this rumor to ground.

LogansPapa
06-20-2008, 10:46 AM
Wow - another manufactured issue - amounting to nothing. What a surprise.:rolleyes:

linda22003
06-20-2008, 10:52 AM
The problem with these pseudo issues is that they are distractions and they waste time. It sends the message, "We can't beat him on the issues, so we have to hope for rumors".

LogansPapa
06-20-2008, 11:27 AM
Like middle names and such - screams weakness. Focus on the entitlement programs: How much they’ll cost and who gets stuck with the bill!:cool:

AmPat
06-20-2008, 11:28 AM
They always do, but it's particularly virulent this year and it saddens me to come to the conclusion that it is primarily racially based. It shouldn't surprise me, but it does disappoint me.

What makes you come to that conclusion. Is it no longer permissible to be against the candidate on issues. When he happens to be Black does he get a pass that others don't? Why can't he be attacked like other candidates? To bring up race every time he is challenged makes you look like a race baiter.

George Bush was, is, and will continue to be "virulently" attacked by the Left, must be because of his color.

CLibertarian
06-20-2008, 11:28 AM
What makes you believe he isn't? Do you think he was born Nepal and smuggled into Hawaii in his mom's suitcase? I just don't know what makes you or anyone suspect he's a foreign national.:confused:

If his Hawaii Birth Certificate is dated after the day in 1959 when Hawaii became a state, then there is no doubt that Obama is a natural born US Citizen. Unless there was some special rule in place, any date after Hawaii became a US Territory should also suffice.

linda22003
06-20-2008, 02:35 PM
What makes you come to that conclusion. Is it no longer permissible to be against the candidate on issues. When he happens to be Black does he get a pass that others don't? Why can't he be attacked like other candidates? To bring up race every time he is challenged makes you look like a race baiter.

George Bush was, is, and will continue to be "virulently" attacked by the Left, must be because of his color.


I think it should be on the issues. I'm sad to see people departing from that "("Hey, maybe he really is from Kenya...." ) and the "Magic Negro" crap.

biccat
06-20-2008, 03:12 PM
I think it should be on the issues. I'm sad to see people departing from that "("Hey, maybe he really is from Kenya...." )
You're right, I apologize to Obama for suggesting that he forged (or reposted a forgery) his birth certificate without any authenticating marks.

Honestly, who cares about the Constitution these days anyway.

linda22003
06-20-2008, 03:44 PM
Enjoy your beliefs, even if no one shares them. :p

LogansPapa
06-20-2008, 04:01 PM
Does the phrase: "Bigger fish to fry" ring a bell. :rolleyes:

AmPat
06-20-2008, 09:24 PM
I think it should be on the issues. I'm sad to see people departing from that "("Hey, maybe he really is from Kenya...." ) and the "Magic Negro" crap.

I agree. I also believe that a candidate running for the highest office in the land, (and apparently with no qualifications) should be able to weather this storm. GWB sure takes an unfair amount of crap from the left.

He strikes me as a good, albiet, incompetent, candidate. If this country elects this ULTRA LIBERAL, we will not soon and may never recover from his SOCIALIST makeover of the USA.

CLibertarian
06-20-2008, 09:26 PM
I agree. I also believe that a candidate running for the highest office in the land, (and apparently with no qualifications) should be able to weather this storm. GWB sure takes an unfair amount of crap from the left.

He strikes me as a good, albiet, incompetent, candidate. If this country elects this ULTRA LIBERAL, we will not soon and may never recover from his SOCIALIST makeover of the USA.

I agree 1,000%.

Goldwater
06-21-2008, 09:33 AM
Honestly, who cares about the Constitution these days anyway.

Yup, by the way, the drug war isn't in it either, but hey, we only care about the pointless parts right? :p

biccat
06-21-2008, 10:24 AM
Yup, by the way, the drug war isn't in it either, but hey, we only care about the pointless parts right? :p
Really? I would disagree. It is a valid (if broad) exercise of the Commerce Clause.

Teetop
06-21-2008, 10:52 AM
Does the phrase: "Bigger fish to fry" ring a bell. :rolleyes:


Maybe so, maybe not. I think if this is shown to be a fake, SnObama is shown to be the liar I know he is.

LogansPapa
06-21-2008, 12:22 PM
This screams "McCain has a black daughter". Pathetic. Just compete fairly, with honor - on the issues, or just STFU.:rolleyes:

Teetop
06-21-2008, 12:31 PM
This screams "McCain has a black daughter". Pathetic. Just compete fairly, with honor - on the issues, or just STFU.:rolleyes:


SnObama caught in lie on very first campaign ad. (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/bummer-obama-caught-in-major-lie-in.html)


Is that "fair and with honor"?

:D

Speedy
06-21-2008, 02:45 PM
Here is a REAL copy of a Hawaii Birth Certificate:

http://www.valeehill.net/genealogy/documents/doc_decosta_pat_birth.jpg

And here is some commentary on it from Free Republic:


1. Ms. Decosta’s certification displays fold marks, which you might expect to see on a document sent through the mail.


2. The certificate number on Obama’s document is blacked out; Ms. Decosta’s is not.


AND


3. An embossed seal is visible on Ms. Decosta’s certification; there is no embossed seal on Obama’s. (You can see the embossed seal very clearly on the larger image at FR here.)


The Vital Records office in Hawaii has confirmed the following with respect to requests for certified copies of birth certificates:


1. Certifications of live birth are always mailed from the VR office, and never transmitted electronically.


2. Certificate numbers are never blacked out.


AND


3. Certifications will always have an embossed seal.

Seems like the jig is up! Obama feels that he can brush aside anything "because he said so." He is going to learn that not everyone is going to swoon and kiss his ass.

crockspot
06-21-2008, 03:33 PM
I was born the same year but in California. I requested a birth certificate for my passport a few years back, and what the sent me looks more or less like a color photocopy of the original, with an embossed "official" seal added.

Speedy
06-21-2008, 03:56 PM
I was born the same year but in California. I requested a birth certificate for my passport a few years back, and what the sent me looks more or less like a color photocopy of the original, with an embossed "official" seal added.


I requested a copy of my birth cetificate and marriage certificate when I enlisted. I was given small wallet sized copies of both. I asked the clerk if those were going to work and she said that what mattered were the embossed seal, certificate numbers and signatures. Any one of those things missing voided it. She said I could take in a piece of wood with all of the pertinent info on it and if it had the seal, certificate number and signatures, it would be accepted.

Speedy
06-21-2008, 05:37 PM
Something else just came across the blogosphere. Hawaii has never used "African" to denote race. Only Black.

“This isn’t the birth certificate that I knew.”

Teetop
06-21-2008, 08:36 PM
Something else just came across the blogosphere. Hawaii has never used "African" to denote race. Only Black.

“This isn’t the birth certificate that I knew.”


Another lie from the "Messiah"?

Perish the thought!

:rolleyes:

Empty suit and a liar...

LogansPapa
06-21-2008, 08:45 PM
From Monty Python: BURN HIM!

CLibertarian
06-22-2008, 12:02 AM
From Monty Python: BURN HIM!

As opposed to poking him with soft cushions.:D

Lanie
06-22-2008, 09:22 PM
I have to believe this was vetted in the beginning, if for no other reason than if there were any doubt, the Clintons would have wasted no time in raising the issue.

Absolutely.

But I can't help but think that Clinton was reading that thinking "Why didn't I think of that". :D

megimoo
06-22-2008, 09:31 PM
From Monty Python: BURN HIM!After the 'Witch Test' ,witches always float !

LogansPapa
06-22-2008, 09:32 PM
After the 'Witch Test' ,witches always float !

BURN HER ANYWAY!!!

Teetop
06-25-2008, 02:09 PM
I wonder why his cert. of birth, does not carry a embossed official seal from the state of Hawaii?

Linky Dinky. (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm)

......

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.

..........


Things that make ya go, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

LogansPapa
06-25-2008, 03:14 PM
Things that make you go ZZZzzz.........:rolleyes:

Teetop
06-26-2008, 10:18 AM
Things that make you go ZZZzzz.........:rolleyes:

No embossed seal, it's not valid. End of story.

SnObama is lying, and/or hiding something.

LogansPapa
06-26-2008, 10:48 AM
No embossed seal, it's not valid. End of story.

SnObama is lying, and/or hiding something.

Mine’s not embossed. Non-Issue. So What? How about debating a real issue, like how we’re going to cover his $2,500 a person per year Universal Health Care for 50 million Americans? His birth certificate or his picture on the cover of ‘Rolling Stone’ are stupid wastes of resource and that energy could be used to get our Jurassic Park Candidate elected.

Teetop
06-26-2008, 11:18 AM
Mine’s not embossed. Non-Issue. So What? How about debating a real issue, like how we’re going to cover his $2,500 a person per year Universal Health Care for 50 million Americans? His birth certificate or his picture on the cover of ‘Rolling Stone’ are stupid wastes of resource and that energy could be used to get our Jurassic Park Candidate elected.

Because factcheck.org has already determined his UHC coverage is bogus, A LIE!

LogansPapa
06-26-2008, 11:36 AM
Because factcheck.org has already determined his UHC coverage is bogus, A LIE!

And McBush is using that supposed fact in his ads?:confused:

Eyelids
06-26-2008, 12:56 PM
Please focus more on the birth certificate non-issue. Not only does it make you look like a wacko conspiracy theorist but also keeps your focus off of Obama's real weaknesses (expeirience).

megimoo
06-26-2008, 12:57 PM
Mine’s not embossed. Non-Issue. So What? How about debating a real issue, like how we’re going to cover his $2,500 a person per year Universal Health Care for 50 million Americans? His birth certificate or his picture on the cover of ‘Rolling Stone’ are stupid wastes of resource and that energy could be used to get our Jurassic Park Candidate elected.Back then the stone was hard to work !

megimoo
06-26-2008, 01:07 PM
Because factcheck.org has already determined his UHC coverage is bogus, A LIE!They don't want to talk about it ,It's not in the 'big book of liberal talking points' .

megimoo
06-26-2008, 01:45 PM
No embossed seal, it's not valid. End of story.

SnObama is lying, and/or hiding something.
snip
An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama's alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document." snip
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm

megimoo
06-26-2008, 01:55 PM
Obama's Mother: Fascinating and Revealing!!

"She sounds as though she has the same disease as Hillary,Radicalism !"

Stanley Ann Dunham Obana Soetoro (November 29, 1942 - November 7, 1995), known as Ann Dunham and/or Stanley Ann Dunham, was an American anthropologist, left-wing social activist, and the mother of Senator Barack Obama.

She was born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas . Her father was a furniture salesman and her mother worked for a bank. After Seattle, her family moved to Mercer Island, Washington, Ann attended Mercer Island High School and graduated in 1960.

Her family moved to Hawaii and Ann attended the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where she studied anthropology. When Ann Dunham arrived in Hawaii, she was a full-fledged radical leftist and practitioner of critical theory. She also began to engage in miscegenation (inter-racial relationships) as part of her attack on society. Susan Blake, one of her friends, has stated she never dated 'the crew-cut white boys'. She had a world view, even as a young girl. It was embracing the different, rather than that ethnocentric thing of shunning the different. That was where her mind took her. In Hawaii she met Barack Obama, Sr. from Kenya in her Russian language class. Barack Obama, Jr. was born August 4, 1961, but was called 'Barry.'

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8776

LogansPapa
06-26-2008, 02:01 PM
Back then the stone was hard to work !

Ah what do you know pussy - you won’t even nut up to tell Sonnabend your shitty spelling put a crazy bug in his ass.:cool:

megimoo
06-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Ah what do you know pussy - you won’t even nut up to tell Sonnabend your shitty spelling put a crazy bug in his ass.:cool:Looks to me you screwed up with that nasty mind of yours.Best mind your P's and Q's for awhile old horse or blam and good by. Back to the DUmp for you !Best be afraid of Sonna, he will haunt your scraggly old ass everywhere !

LogansPapa
06-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Looks to me you screwed up with that nasty mind of yours.Best mind your P's and Q's for awhile old horse or blam and good by. Back to the DUmp for you !Best be afraid of Sonna, he will haunt your scraggly old ass everywhere !

Until he admits his error - that’s just a bunch of flatulence. And you could have done the right thing and defused it - but if that's all you are, then so be it.:cool:

Eyelids
06-26-2008, 05:01 PM
Has it occurred to anyone else that megimoo ! is kind of retarded? His odd interpretation of the English language notwithstanding, I never can really understand what he's saying. If you split up his individual statements I can usually interpret them but as a whole when you put them together none of them make any goddamn sense.

The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens.

Teetop
06-26-2008, 05:11 PM
Has it occurred to anyone else that megimoo ! is kind of retarded? His odd interpretation of the English language notwithstanding, I never can really understand what he's saying. If you split up his individual statements I can usually interpret them but as a whole when you put them together none of them make any goddamn sense.

The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens.

http://joatmoaf.typepad.com/i_love_jet_noise/images/the_new_democratic_party_symbol.jpg

Someone call the wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbulance!

Zafod
06-26-2008, 05:19 PM
I am a troll.

Thats the first correct thing you have said.

Eyelids
06-26-2008, 05:44 PM
I didnt say that though.

Zathras
06-26-2008, 06:37 PM
I didnt say that though.

Yeah, you did...in every post. You're just too stupid to realise it.

lacarnut
06-26-2008, 06:43 PM
Yeah, you did...in every post. You're just too stupid to realise it.

Eyelids closed has not posted in several days; I thought he might have fallen off a shit wagon and the buzzards ate him.

Zafod
06-26-2008, 07:28 PM
Eyelids closed has not posted in several days; I thought he might have fallen off a shit wagon and the buzzards ate him.

Thats what you get for being hopeful

Molon Labe
06-26-2008, 08:02 PM
The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens.

Getting rid of RINO's and Liberal bloodsuckers?.......Sounds principled to me.

It worked for the founders. :D

Zathras
06-26-2008, 11:53 PM
Getting rid of RINO's and Liberal bloodsuckers?.......Sounds principled to me.

It worked for the founders. :D

The gutless wonder Eyelids is worried because he falls under the Liberal bloodsucker moniker.

linda22003
06-27-2008, 01:43 PM
Here's what the National Review has to say:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTIzMDE2OTJiOTkwNmE3MTQwOWZiODYyZTBiMzdhMmI=

Teetop
07-01-2008, 12:49 PM
Freedom of Information Act Request for Barack Obama's Birth Certificate (http://mitchell-langbert.blogspot.com/2008/06/freedom-of-information-act-request-for.html)

We shall see...

LogansPapa
07-01-2008, 01:25 PM
Oh good - after three days the gas bag was starting to go down. Thanks.:p

Eyelids
07-01-2008, 01:55 PM
I'll take "how to look desperate" for $500, Alex.

LogansPapa
07-01-2008, 02:26 PM
I'll take "how to look desperate" for $500, Alex.

BUUUUAAAAHHHHAHAAHA!:D (full marks);)

biccat
07-01-2008, 03:34 PM
I'll take "how to look desperate" for $500, Alex.

The answer is:
This poster pretended to be a black college professor in Chicago on the internet, and continued the farce after it was revealed he lived in rural Illinois.

Eyelids
07-01-2008, 06:56 PM
You answer questions with a question on Jeopardy...

And we've gone over your point many times already.

Zathras
07-01-2008, 07:44 PM
You answer questions with a question on Jeopardy...

And we've gone over your point many times already.

Heh, not too smart are you liar. On Jeopardy when you say "I'll take xxx for $", Alex Traebeck gives you the answer just like Bicat did. The contestant answers in the form of a question...in this case it would be "Who is the gutless, lying coward known as Eyelids".

Shannon
07-01-2008, 08:02 PM
Arguing over the format of Jeopardy. I love this place.:p

megimoo
07-01-2008, 08:09 PM
Giuliani still ran for office with his knighthood didn't he? As has been shown, no one takes the constitution seriously anymore with one of the only exceptions being when people want to keep their guns.Knighthood only counts in England !The title stops at the US coast !

megimoo
07-01-2008, 08:36 PM
Has it occurred to anyone else that megimoo ! is kind of retarded? His odd interpretation of the English language notwithstanding, I never can really understand what he's saying. If you split up his individual statements I can usually interpret them but as a whole when you put them together none of them make any goddamn sense.

The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens.
All of youse liberals suffer from dyslexia.
And here is a great example .

"The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens."

And you don't like my sigline

"It is time we get the pitchforks and torches and start ending the careers of Liberal and RINO lifetime politicians. "

The actual line is an reference to running a scoundrel out of town on a rail tarred and feathered !
The pitchfork is used to prod the critter the torch is to light the way.

And you have the audacity to call another a 'retard'.You a soon to be college graduate ?Ask for help and a refund from your Alma Mater !

Zathras
07-02-2008, 01:13 AM
All of youse liberals suffer from dyslexia.
And here is a great example .

"The last straw for me though is his new signature, which states that all who disagree with him should be burned alive by angry citizens."

And you don't like my sigline

"It is time we get the pitchforks and torches and start ending the careers of Liberal and RINO lifetime politicians. "

The actual line is an reference to running a scoundrel out of town on a rail tarred and feathered !
The pitchfork is used to prod the critter the torch is to light the way.

And you have the audacity to call another a 'retard'.You a soon to be college graduate ?Ask for help and a refund from your Alma Mater !

Plus the gutless wonder has no right to complain about your signature with the idiotic YouTube video he has linked in his.

LogansPapa
07-02-2008, 12:12 PM
http://www.noodad.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/whisk.jpg

Faster-faster! Keep "the issue" alive!:p :rolleyes:

jeskibuff
07-02-2008, 06:29 PM
How about debating a real issue, like how we’re going to cover his $2,500 a person per year Universal Health Care for 50 million Americans? His birth certificate or his picture on the cover of ‘Rolling Stone’ are stupid wastes of resource and that energy could be used to get our Jurassic Park Candidate elected.Well, PapaLugie, it's simply not a waste of energy to reveal a candidate to be the liar that he is. The bogus birth certificate may be trivial to you, but it's just one more piece of evidence that indicates Obama isn't to be trusted, nor are the liberals who are so eager to push the lie on the rest of America so they can get their clown elected.

All the little details add up. Perhaps John Kerry could have gotten away with the "Christmas in Cambodia" lie if it hadn't been for the many other fibs that exposed him as a total fraud.

Why are you so eager to sweep it under the rug?? :D

LogansPapa
07-03-2008, 06:29 PM
Why are you so eager to sweep it under the rug?? :D

Not a matter of sweeping anything under the rug - what it is a matter of is understanding that Obama will, without a single doubt, put the United States of America in to its 2nd Depression, if elected.

Not his middle name, not his grand-mother’s sex life, not even his birth certificate will matter when he becomes president and taxes us out of existence.

That’s an issue Republicans can and have not addressed: The LBJ Wet-Dream give-away programs, like bailing out folks that should have never been asked and/or expected to make a house payment. Should have never been able to even sign their names to a loan document and now we’re going to have to, under Obama’s give away administration, make those payments for those ‘poor people’ and their families. These are folks that should be back in the projects and doing something realistic with the small amount of money they do make - like getting a community college education. By themselves - with zero assistance.

Not everyone can be a winner and this shit started with every little kid in school getting a trophy every year just for showing up. Plain and Stupid Bullshit.

Hope that answers your question.

Teetop
07-05-2008, 10:53 AM
Via Gatewaypundit. (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/blogger-admits-obamas-birth-certificate.html)

Obama Website Implicated In Misleading Public With Bogus Document

Woah!
Isreal Insider reported:


Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously forged and fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama's birth certificate.

So, what is the Obama Campaign hiding?
And, why are they promoting these forged documents?
(This post was updated.)

UPDATE: Pamela reports that there are new questions raised on Obama's citizenship when he was born.
Hat Tip Larwyn

posted by Gateway Pundit at 7/04/2008 10:38:00 AM Trackback

:eek:

Those evil zionist are taking down the messiah!

Teetop
07-05-2008, 11:07 AM
Via Texasdarlin blog. (http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/update-daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certificates/)



Update: Daily Kos, an Obama Activist, and Forged Birth Certificates
July 3, 2008 · 46 Comments
NOTE from TexasDarlin (update 7/4/08): In pursuit of the truth, I wrote to opendna asking for clarification of his/her involvement in the birth certificate mystery, providing an opportunity for opendna to address
JimJ’s assertions. Opendna declined to give a substantive response. (see rest of TD’s NOTE at end).


....
Conclusions

So what can we conclude from the foregoing information? I think, quite a lot:

1. The anomaly found on each certification proves that those found on Smears and Kos have the same origin as opendna’s blank and “Aphorgerie” certifications;

2. The resolution of the image found on Fight the Smears is much too low for it to be scrubbed and used as the forged blank template/certification of live birth found on Jay Mckinnon opendna’s photobucket website;

3. The images posted on Daily Kos are of inferior quality to those found on Jay McKinnon/opendna’s photobucket website;

4. It is virtually impossible to create a higher quality image from a lower quality one;

5. It is likewise extremely difficult to scrub text and lettering from a digital image without leaving plenty of evidence behind;

6. It is, thus, extremely unlikely that the Certifications of Live Birth found on Jay McKinnon/opendna’s photobucket website were copied and altered using the documents found on Daily Kos and Fight the Smears;

7. In an extraordinarily suspicious act, Jay Mckinnon/opendna endeavored to conceal the source image information found in his blank certification’s data files;

8. Daily Kos removed a sub-thread from the original Birth Certificate posting that had references to forgery and had an image of opendna’s “Haye IB Aphorgerie” image. They left standing opendna’s blank certification, a template that anyone may copy. Both image files were posted by opendna only a few hours after Daily Kos posted the Birth Certificate story.

9. Jay Mckinnon, who appears on numerous progressive blogs under the screen name “opendna” describes himself as a former federal officer and trained document expert for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). He also is a Daily Kos Diary host, a Democratic Party activist, and an Obama supporter (see my previous post);

10. Given the above evidence, the most obvious and logical conclusion is that the Birth Certifications found on Daily Kos and Fight the Smears were derived from the Blank Certification of Live Birth found on Jay Mckinnon/Opendna’s photobucket website.

11. Given the importance of the discovery of what appears to be the forged birth certificate of a presumptive presidential candidate, the appropriate authorities should be called upon to investigate Jay Mckinnon, and those involved at Daily Kos, and at the Obama Campaign. Given the abundance of documentation concerning the possibly fraudulent nature of the digital version of his birth verification, the Obama Presidential Campaign should be called upon immediately to produce the paper version of his Hawaii Certification of Live Birth, if in fact, any such document actually exists.

Teetop
07-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Via Israeli Insider. (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm)

....

A FORGER'S SECRET CONFESSION ON THE DAILY KOS

The significance of opendna's forged birth certificate template can be discerned by looking more closely at the Daily Kos blog entry in which the purported Obama birth certificate first appears.

Indeed, the document image was initially posted with a resolution of 1024 x 1000. Only later, after it was discovered that the document stamp and official signature were lacking from the document image, Kos replaced the image with the much higher resolution in which it is claimed that, after a series of complex image manipulation steps using special imaging software, a faint image of something the website claims is the missing seal appears. (Even if there is a seal, it's not clear it's a seal from an Obama birth certificate, and there is no visible registrar signature, which is also required for a certified document.) But it is impossible to make out with the naked eye, and the manipulation is illegible and useless for verification purposes.

A possible answer for some of these anomalies is provided in banter between opendna and other commenters in the discussion thread of the blog post.

At 12:41pm, a prior request for a "font expert" is answered by opendna: "How about a certified DHS [Department of Homeland Security] document expert?" And by 1:35pm opendna comes up with a suggestion: "Why don't you just print one up for him? Here's a blank template.

And sure enough, there in the comments stream, he provides the "almost blank" Hawaii birth certificate image that appears on his Photobucket account, with just the information for the island and hour of birth.

....

megimoo
07-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Hey Obami, man of undocumented place of birth. You can settle this very quickly. Just authorize the officials in Hawaii to send official copies of your birth certificate to Jim Robinson and other conservative sites. Then, they can post the real authorized copies for everyone to see. We will take up a collection to pay for the authorized copy and Fed Ex overnight delivery to Jim Robinson/Free Republic so you will not have to worry about the cost.

Reality break: We probably have as much chance of seeing a real copy of Obami's birth certificate as seeing John Kerry’s full military record. Kerry refused to release his military records, and Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas, the Islamofacist Manchurian Candidate will probably not show his BC. We will be labeled as racists for daring to question his birth place. The lying spinning MSM will continue to cover for Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas.

CLibertarian
07-05-2008, 12:50 PM
Even my wife can produce such paperwork at the drop of a hat. THis includes her actual birth certificate (in Persian) and the official English translation (raised stamp). Now, if my wife of foreign origin can produce such documentation, why can't Obama?

Elspeth
08-05-2008, 02:14 PM
Seems that the birth certificate released by the Obama campaign might be that of his sister, Maya:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/


*Breaking* Sister Maya’s Name Uncovered on Alleged Obama Birth Certificate [Update]
August 5, 2008 · 106 Comments

Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

His sister.

The document presented by Obama as the “truth about his birth certificate” can be seen on his official campaign web page, “FightTheSmears,” here. In an exclusive TexasDarlin report on Sunday, Techdude revealed that he had discovered the true identity of the person on the original COLB, but that he was not ready to disclose that person’s name.

He gave readers step-by-step instructions for conducting the analysis at home. In a follow-up post, I published a comment by Techdude in which he explained why he was waiting to name the person, and he challenged readers to solve the mystery first, offering a free trip to Las Vegas for the first person who posted the correct answer.

Several hours later, KG, a reader on the TexasDarlin blog, posted her/his discovery in the Comments section of this post, and detailed the technical process she/he followed to get there....



More at the link.

Tech Dude's link:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/original-text-uncovered-on-birth-certificateexclusive-report/
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/techdude-obama-colb-is-a-forgery/

Edited to add: Techdude's credentials:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/breaking-sister-mayas-birth-certificate-used-to-forge-obamas/

Techdude’s Credentials: 20 years experience in the computer field; performing computer forensic investigations since 1993. Board certified as a forensic computer examiner and for the previous six years also licensed as a private investigator. A certificated legal investigator, served close to 6 years under the direction of a practicing attorney. Testified in numerous trials at the state level…written (winning) briefs and motions that have been presented for state’s Court of Appeals and state’s Supreme Court.

U.S. Department of Justice clearance for access to sensitive but unclassified information and has personally handled the investigation of over 7,000 cases. Previously received training from the Department of the Treasury, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA as well as countless forensics seminars and specialized training events over the years. Five years ago, opened his own computer forensic science lab and often accepts cases pro bono. Active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, the American College of Forensic Examiners, Computer Forensics Volunteer Project, a Member of Federal Bureau of Investigation’s InfraGard program, International Information Systems Forensics Association, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, and others.