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Cosmored
12-13-2008, 04:14 PM
Americans get an upside-down version of why we intervene in other countries. This American general was close enough to what was happening to be able to see through the lies we were being told.

http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
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I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
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Here are some more articles and videos that go into more detail. I've lived abroad for 19 years and in most places outside of the US political discussions are based on this kind of info. I've lived in Mexico City and Madrid and in those two places there's nothing more amusing than a group of Americans discussing politics.

This one was written by a politically-informed Christian.
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000133.htm

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1995/95-05-17-Guatemala.gif
http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/guatemal.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2002/0413angola.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/127.html
http://www.namebase.org/scott.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/WTI062405V.shtml
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htm
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zepezauer_Mark/Iran_Boomerang.html
http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13622.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&pl=true
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11635.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7333556703536657423
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4827358238697503
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453261789658676035&q=oil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8171.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAqG51uwzMI&mode=related&search=
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htm
http://www.jonhs.net/911/911_american_empire.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20061222&articleId=4245
http://www.ichblog.eu/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&id=375
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYZVNVqBgU&mode=related&search=
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17988.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13768.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Tn_oqOdQ4
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159

For more, enter the words "Death squads", or "Torture" in this search engine.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html

Zathras
12-13-2008, 04:18 PM
Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.

Cosmored
12-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.
What you're supposed to do in a debate is explain why you think the info is wrong.

Here's some stuff you should read about the mainstream American press.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ruling_Elites/BilderbergClub.html

You've been basing your opinions on misinformation all of your life. I know it's hard to admit you've been misled.
http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htm

Don't feel bad. I fell for it too. I believed the official version of everything until I moved to California in the seventies. I started hanging out at universities and talking to foreign students. They all set me straight.

An American who believes the official version of everything and has never been in a situation in which he or she is able to learn the truth isn't dumb; the press does a good job of distorting reality. Just read the truth and verify it by talking to some foreigners and change your opinions. You're not dumb because you've never been in a situation in which you had access to objective information.

Zeus
12-13-2008, 04:48 PM
Using hardcore socialists & Anti-Americans to prove how evil the US is is rather pathetic. then to further embarrass yourself you site sources such as truthout.com which is anything but truth.

jeskibuff
12-13-2008, 05:18 PM
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What you're supposed to do in a debate is explain why you think the info is wrong.Not when you assault everyone with 1,001 links in one post. I don't have the time to waste to address all that crap. And crap it is, quite evidently.

You've been basing your opinions on misinformation all of your life. I know it's hard to admit you've been misled.It's not hard at all for me to admit I'm wrong, but the obvious victim of misinformation is you. Have a little honest look at what you believe and you'll find that YOU'VE been suckered BIG TIME!

Don't feel bad. I fell for it too.Correction: you're STILL falling for it. You might want to check your backside for a "kick me" sign.

I believed the official version of everything until I moved to California in the seventies. I started hanging out at universities and talking to foreign students. They all set me straight.Newsflash: the best place to go for misinformation is a California university. Dood, you're not helping your case with these revelations.

An American who believes the official version of everything and has never been in a situation in which he or she is able to learn the truth isn't dumb; the press does a good job of distorting reality.Here's where we can agree. Now, can we agree that the media just suckered the nation into voting for the most underqualified poseur in history? Did you ever see such a distortion of reality with the Palin attacks and the Obama worship? But oh...you still voted for Obama, didn't you?
SUCKER!

Just read the truth and verify it by talking to some foreigners and change your opinions.You wouldn't know truth if it bit you in the...well, ANYWHERE! What would foreigners have to contribute to the mix? Fidel endorsed Obama. Hamas endorsed Obama. Thousands of foreigners told us to vote for Obama. It seems like we would have done much better if we didn't listen to these foreigners. They obviously don't have OUR best interests at heart!

You're not dumb because you've never been in a situation in which you had access to objective information.You're dumb because you've got access to all sorts of information, yet you apparently cling to the idiocy spouted by numbskulls like Noam Chomsky. Sorry, you've totally blown your street cred here.

But...welcome to CU! At least you're free to express your opinions here, unlike most EVERY liberal site around. Tell me...who's afraid of the truth?? Certainly not us conservatives!

ralph wiggum
12-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Dude, you're posting this in the wrong forum. I'm sure the mods here would appreciate it if you posted this "information" in the Stupid Liberal Tricks forum initially as that's where all of your conspiridiocy theory bullshit is going to end up anyway.

Exactly, and off it goes to Stupid Liberal Tricks.

In fact, any threads that use "Truthout" & "Noam Chomsky" as supporting links will be bound to end up in that forum.

Welcome to CU, Spaniard, errr...Cosmored.

Cosmored
12-13-2008, 05:26 PM
Using hardcore socialists & Americans to prove how evil the US is is rather pathetic.
You're being a little vague here. Do you think the US government is evil, or not? Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?


then to further embarrass yourself you site sources such as truthout.com which is anything but truth.
I just checked the link I posted. I hadn't looked at it for more than a year. The article is off-line now.

I haven't read much else from truthout.com. I just found that article that talked about the history of the US and Iraq and it was consistent with what I hear from people who have travelled to that area.

jeskibuff
12-13-2008, 05:32 PM
You're being a little vague here. Do you think the US government is evil, or not? Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?It's about to get REAL evil. Coming to a theatre near you January 20th. For a sneak preview, just read about that other Chicago darling, Blogojevich.


I just checked the link I posted. I hadn't looked at it for more than a year. The article is off-line now.Doesn't matter. The information on all of your links was probably already stale the day it was first posted.


I haven't read much else from truthout.com. I just found that article that talked about the history of the US and Iraq and it was consistent with what I hear from people who have travelled to that area.Don't believe everything you read (or hear), especially if it comes from California university students.

Sonnabend
12-13-2008, 06:19 PM
Hi Cosmored.

I'm a foreigner.

You're a looney.

Thatisall.

Bleda
12-13-2008, 06:37 PM
Let me guess, Cosmored is a Liberal Atheist who happens to support Obama?

Zathras
12-13-2008, 07:23 PM
What you're supposed to do in a debate is explain why you think the info is wrong.

Two words, DUmbass, proves all of the info you post belongs in the crapper...Noam Chomsky. Anyone who uses him to backup any theory they have to postulate is worth less than the fecal matter my dog leaves in the backyard.

Sonnabend
12-13-2008, 08:24 PM
You're being a little vague here

You'd know.


Do you think the US government is evil, or not?

No.You, however, are certificably insane


Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?

No, and neither do you.

SarasotaRepub
12-13-2008, 10:17 PM
Welcome to CU, Spaniard, errr...Cosmored.


LOL!!! He must be off at a Bull Fight.:D

ralph wiggum
12-13-2008, 10:30 PM
LOL!!! He must be off at a Bull Fight.:D

You're one of the few people who would get the joke. :D

djones520
12-14-2008, 12:10 AM
I want to thank you.

Because for the last 7 years I've been wearing a uniform for an Imperialistic Government who doesn't at all represent what I thought it did. I guess when I was deployed to Kygryzstan, the school we rebuilt there was just for propaganda purposes. Or all of the times that we send medical missions to South America to give people basic medical and dental care that they'd never recieve otherwise is just a big lie that we spread to earn the love and trust of the little people before we move in to take over their country. All the airlifts we do into Africa with life sustaining food and medical supplies is just more propoganda. And never mind the hospital ships that we have doing their things in South East Asia.

You've opened my eyes. For my whole adult life I thought that we where just doing this out of the kindness of our hearts, because it was the right thing to do. But no, you've shown me that it is all a lie that we are perpetrating to advance our Imperialistic design apon the world. I'm now going to go home and burn my uniforms and never take up these evil intentions ever again!

















































And just incase your as dumb as the OP is, that was all sarcasm.

Cosmored
12-14-2008, 06:34 AM
Let me guess, Cosmored is a Liberal Atheist who happens to support Obama?

No. I support Ralph Nader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyfSN7B4lYI
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ralph+nader&search_type=&aq=f

Obama has the same bosses that Bush had.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ruling_Elites/BilderbergClub.html
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bilderberg&search_type=&aq=f

You people seem to be basing all your opinions on what the press says and what you've learned in school. The press is owned and its purpose is not to keep us informed. Its purpose is to keep us brainwashed.
http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=Chomsky+media&search_type=& aq=f
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0


Because for the last 7 years I've been wearing a uniform for an Imperialistic Government who doesn't at all represent what I thought it did. I guess when I was deployed to Kygryzstan, the school we rebuilt there was just for propaganda purposes. Or all of the times that we send medical missions to South America to give people basic medical and dental care that they'd never recieve otherwise is just a big lie that we spread to earn the love and trust of the little people before we move in to take over their country. All the airlifts we do into Africa with life sustaining food and medical supplies is just more propoganda. And never mind the hospital ships that we have doing their things in South East Asia.

You've opened my eyes. For my whole adult life I thought that we where just doing this out of the kindness of our hearts, because it was the right thing to do. But no, you've shown me that it is all a lie that we are perpetrating to advance our Imperialistic design apon the world. I'm now going to go home and burn my uniforms and never take up these evil intentions ever again!

It's possible that the US does a few token things to help for propaganda purposes. What they may give is nothing compared to what they steal. What they may give will get lots of press coverage and what they steal gets zero press coverage.

Here's some stuff that will enlighten you.

http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
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Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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http://video.google.es/videosearch?q=economic+hitman&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

There are two types of people who say that the US supports freedom and democracy in the world. Well-intintioned people who believe everything the American press says and government disinfo agents who don't believe what they say themselves.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222

djones520
12-14-2008, 07:11 AM
No. I support Ralph Nader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyfSN7B4lYI
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ralph+nader&search_type=&aq=f

Obama has the same bosses that Bush had.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ruling_Elites/BilderbergClub.html
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bilderberg&search_type=&aq=f

You people seem to be basing all your opinions on what the press says and what you've learned in school. The press is owned and its purpose is not to keep us informed. Its purpose is to keep us brainwashed.
http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=Chomsky+media&search_type=& aq=f
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0


It's possible that the US does a few token things to help for propaganda purposes. What they may give is nothing compared to what they steal. What they may give will get lots of press coverage and what they steal gets zero press coverage.

Here's some stuff that will enlighten you.

http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
(excerpt)
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Of the various notions about imperialism circulating today in the United States, the dominant view is that it does not exist. Imperialism is not recognized as a legitimate concept, certainly not in regard to the United States. One may speak of "Soviet imperialism" or "nineteenth-century British imperialism" but not of U.S. imperialism. A graduate student in political science at most universities in this country would not be granted the opportunity to research U.S. imperialism, on the grounds that such an undertaking would not be scholarly. While many people throughout the world charge the United States with being an imperialist power, in this country persons who talk of U.S. imperialism are usually judged to be mouthing ideological blather.
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http://video.google.es/videosearch?q=economic+hitman&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

There are two types of people who say that the US supports freedom and democracy in the world. Well-intintioned people who believe everything the American press says and government disinfo agents who don't believe what they say themselves.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222


Jesus... I've seen pinched off shits smarter then you...

KCornett
12-14-2008, 08:13 AM
Jesus... I've seen pinched off shits smarter then you...Oh OH Oh, Do I have permission to use that line? There so many individuals that are perfect for that line.

djones520
12-14-2008, 08:20 AM
Oh OH Oh, Do I have permission to use that line? There so many individuals that are perfect for that line.

Help yourself. Just give credit where credit is due. :p

AmPat
12-15-2008, 02:26 AM
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QUOTE=Cosmored;91584]You're being a little vague here. Do you think the US government is evil, or not?
Not. Our Gov't is not a single entity that assumes a personality trait. Our gov't is the people. What those people do may be evil or good, but the gov't they serve is simply the mechanism they use toward that end.


Do you think those articles I posted say reflects reality?
No.

I haven't read much else from truthout.comHere is a huge problem, your source. I just found that article that talked about the history of the US and Iraq and it was consistent with what I hear from people who have travelled to that area.[/QUOTE]
Have you talked to all your like-minded simpletons or have you talked to actual rational people?
Assaulting us with hundreds of links to horrendous yet unrelated events does not support your case.

Also, why don't you do some HONEST research? You start with a conclusion and then go find all the supporting evidence from sewers like Truth out (which got its name from out of truth).

Start with an honest and neutral premise. I suggest "Is the United States Imperialistic?" Then go to legitimate and rational websites/articles/books to research the premise. Analyze the evidence you uncover, then form your conclusion.
While you're at it ask yourself this:

1. What is the definition of Imperialism? and
2. Does the United States fit this description?

You sound like the typical irrational liberal knucklehead with every post. You won't get banned for it, but you sure will be ridiculed.

Cosmored
12-17-2008, 12:43 PM
Then go to legitimate and rational websites/articles/books to research the premise.
Please post one of those websites and we can talk about whether it's rational.

Here are two websites that I recommend.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/

What the articles in those websites say is consistent with what you'll hear if you live abroad.

I'd like to hear your opinins of what this American General said. Here is an article and an on-line book of his.

http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html

I'd also like to hear what you think of what this ex-marine says.

http://www.counterpunch.org/white07132004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/white10282003.html
http://www.objector.org/insider.html

PoliCon
12-17-2008, 01:16 PM
This guy posts left wing sources almost as much as CW did.

Molon Labe
12-17-2008, 01:25 PM
You might not want to plaster information overload into one thread to make your point. It turns people off.

Problem is...it's not just Libs that think that our current F.P ventures into a quasi imperialism. Paleos have often called into question the Military industrial complex. Buhanan's been saying things like this for years...(hardly a lefty)

You're reference to Maj. General Butler is one that many here are probably not familiar with. Butler had it more right than many.

Molon Labe
12-17-2008, 01:27 PM
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Not. Our Gov't is not a single entity that assumes a personality trait. Our gov't is the people. What those people do may be evil or good, but the gov't they serve is simply the mechanism they use toward that end.


I'm going to have to disagree with you on that....The Federal Government and "America" are not the same thing. Sorry.....too many people are duped into believing that. Our founders sure as hell didn't.

Zathras
12-17-2008, 08:26 PM
I'd also like to hear what you think of what this ex-marine says.

http://www.counterpunch.org/white07132004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/white10282003.html
http://www.objector.org/insider.html

Sounds like someone who couldn't handle being a Marine and is trying to sell some books to morons such as yourself.

jeskibuff
12-17-2008, 08:35 PM
Please post one of those websites and we can talk about whether it's rational.Translation: "The only rational websites are the ones that I provide links to"

Moon
12-17-2008, 08:51 PM
Well, I for one am all for American Imerialism. I'm on the short list for Governor of Trinidad AND Tobago!

SarasotaRepub
12-17-2008, 09:35 PM
Well, I for one am all for American Imerialism. I'm on the short list for Governor of Trinidad AND Tobago!


And I get the Bahamas. :p:D

PoliCon
12-17-2008, 11:49 PM
Well, I for one am all for American Imerialism. I'm on the short list for Governor of Trinidad AND Tobago!The world would be a much better place if it were true - AND Iraq would not be an independent country - it would be the 51st state.

Ree
12-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Can we just take this one out and let me use him for target practice?

Sonnabend
12-18-2008, 05:13 AM
And I get the Bahamas. :p:D

No, you get Kansas.

I get the Bahamas:D:D

asdf2231
12-18-2008, 04:22 PM
SNIP

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/mainegreen/Fuck_your_theory.jpg

Moon
12-18-2008, 06:32 PM
And I get the Bahamas. :p:D

You can have Andros Island. It's the biggest island in the Bahamas!!

:D

SarasotaRepub
12-18-2008, 06:53 PM
You can have Andros Island. It's the biggest island in the Bahamas!!

:D


Sorry, ALL the islands in the chain. :D I like the Atlantis on Paradise Island.

Moon
12-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Sorry, ALL the islands in the chain. :D I like the Atlantis on Paradise Island.

LMAO!

If you looked up Andros Island you would discover that it is indeed the largest island, but also one of the least populated. Most of the island is very porousl, and is therefore uninhabitable. There is a small runway there that was a popular destination of drug runners in the late 80s, the last time I was there.

Consider it my gift to you, O Mighty Sith Admin!!

:D

SarasotaRepub
12-18-2008, 09:18 PM
LMAO!

If you looked up Andros Island you would discover that it is indeed the largest island, but also one of the least populated. Most of the island is very porousl, and is therefore uninhabitable. There is a small runway there that was a popular destination of drug runners in the late 80s, the last time I was there.

Consider it my gift to you, O Mighty Sith Admin!!

:D

Andros is a good island! They bring fresh water from it to New Providence by barge.
:cool: I will control the Bahamian fresh water supply...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

AmPat
12-18-2008, 10:24 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that....The Federal Government and "America" are not the same thing. Sorry.....too many people are duped into believing that. Our founders sure as hell didn't.

And I'll continue the disagreement circle.:p Who makes up the gov't? People. American people. If the people weren't involved in the govt', there would be no gov't.
Maybe I don't understand what you're saying.

jeskibuff
12-18-2008, 11:21 PM
And I'll continue the disagreement circle.:p Uh oh, AmPat...you're being obamacized and you don't even realize it.

Here's his latest "brilliant" quote at 1:45 into this video:

...to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyu-jr1TB4w

http://www.morethanultimate.com/emoticons/cat%20huh.jpg

Something tells me we'll have plenty of opportunities to pay back the libs with all the stupid things they had to say about GWB and Rumsfeld's quotes. :D

AmPat
12-19-2008, 03:23 AM
Uh oh, AmPat...you're being obamacized and you don't even realize it.

Something tells me we'll have plenty of opportunities to pay back the libs with all the stupid things they had to say about GWB and Rumsfeld's quotes. :D
:eek::eek:It's official, I will now submit my resignation and join the Obamiots.;)

Doc Savage
12-19-2008, 08:58 AM
No, you get Kansas.

I get the Bahamas:D:D


I want Kansas, I would not have to move.

PoliCon
12-19-2008, 11:42 PM
I want Kansas, I would not have to move. I want some liberal strong hold and I want to be KING of it. :cool: IMAGINE the fun that could be had . . . . . I could start my own inquisition!!