http://www.conservativeunderground.c...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Odysseus http://www.conservativeunderground.c...post-right.png
You are assuming that all persons, looking at the same situation, would come to the same conclusions based on the same logical thought process. This is one of the fallacies of those who assume that logic must dictate values and conduct. One can logically decide that a baby has no immediate value, and can therefore be disposed of. Logic, unhinged from any values, breeds more than its share of atrocities.
You employed no logic that would apply to the right to life.Now, when you raised the issue of needing a kidney, I answered your questions. The fact is that there are those who believe that you have no right to your kidney if someone else needs it to live. They can argue their positions with logic, but unless the basic premises are shared, in this case, that there is a right to your own body, then that argument will eventually devolve into a conflict of values which cannot be overcome by logic. It's just their preferences vs. yours.
Suppose I need a kidney and you are a perfect match. Does my right to life mean I have a right to one of your kidneys or does your right to control your body usurp my right to life?
And exactly why is it you see logic unhinged from an values...do you honestly think logic cannot lead us to common values and respect?
Honestly...what the hell scares you Libs so much about a kid uttering the word God in front of a bunch of other school kids?
Are you afraid the whole place will suddenly stand up and collectively reject the amoral indoctrination the teachers are shoving down their throats?
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson