Persecution was the name of the game if you were anything else.
The FF's were very against having that kind of Theocracy set up again in the U.S.
So in the 1st Amendment they said "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." to prevent the future Government of the U.S. from establishing "The Church of America".
Now if the President went on tv tomorrow and said that "By executive order I'm establishing that the Baptist Faith is from this day forward THE religion of the U.S. and all other faiths are hereby not recognized." THEN there would be a clear and accurate violation of the establishment clause.
This other crap...saying a prayer before a football game...having a nativity scene on a military base..."In God We Trust" on money is NOT a violation.
All of these cases that Small Peter cited...are actually in violation of the 1st Amendment as it's written.
Everything changed towards the militant Atheists favor in IRRC 1969 when an Activist Supreme Court Ruled in favor of Madeline Murray O'Haire when she said that a prayer before the start of school was a violation.
That opened the pandora's box for the Liberals to throw everything under the sun...from flag burning to pole dancing under the protection of the 1st Amendment...when none of it is actually covered.
If any of these Libtard assclowns like Nova or Small Peter would ever have the balls to go to a Muslim country...THEN they'd see in practice what they falsely claim is happening here.
FWIW...Small Peter's argument isn't working over at CC either.
For those that post at both places check out the anti-religious screeds of one "Sam Dodd".
He's saying the exact same things.
Church, as defined by the founders, was a specific institution, literally an "establishment of religion". It meant that you could not favor one church over another. That meant that there could be no single, approved Church of the USA on the model of the Church of England, with membership in the church as a prerequisite for voting, holding office or owning property. It didn't mean that any mention of religious faith had to be excised from the public world. There was an underlying assumption in all of our founding documents that there was a God, but that worship was up to the individual and his church, not the government. The government would not dictate doctrine, and the church would not be a part of the apparatus of the state. That is what Jefferson meant.
Secularism didn't come into its own until the French Revolution, which deliberately sought to subdue the church through every means possible. The French policy of laïcité, which was instituted during the Jacobin period, was one of the most violent repressions of Christians ever seen outside of the Muslim world. Over 30,000 clergy were exiled, with hundreds killed, all church property was confiscated, even the Christian calendar was banned and replaced with the Revolutionary Calendar, which began with the date of the start of the revolution. Over 40,000 churches were confiscated or destroyed, and the icons were confiscated. Public symbols of worship, like crosses and bells, were destroyed. They even instituted a civic "Cult of Reason" to replace the church. The height of the persecution occured when the rnment required all clergy to swear an oath of loyalty to the Civil Constitution of the Clergy. Those that refused became "non-jurors" or "refractory priests", and the law permitted them to be killed on sight. Eventually, this led to the War in the Vendée. It even caused external wars, forcing Pope Pius VI to join the First Coalition and triggering Napoleon Bonaparte's Italian campaign. The policies of secularization in France plunged the entire continent into war.
Ody...did you see where this group called The Association of Athiests and Free Thinkers is pressuring incoming members of Congress and the President to not take the oath of office on the Bible next month?
ACLU May Sue L.A. County Over Seal
Published May 27, 2004
The American Civil Liberties Union (search) plans to sue Los Angeles County if it does not remove a cross from its official seal.
County officials say the cross represents the Spanish missions (search), which are part of California's history.
They add that it would be expensive to redesign the county seal, which was designed in 1957 and appears on most official county property: walls, documents, water bottles, uniforms, cars and trucks.
On Friday, the ACLU gave the county two weeks to eliminate the seal.
"What is the message that it sends?" said Ramona Ripson of the ACLU. "What that message is to everyone in California is one of Christianity, and we are a state of diverse people."
Last month, the threat of litigation by the ACLU forced the city of Redlands, about 50 miles east of Los Angeles, to redesign its 40-year-old logo, which also included a cross.
"Here you have this radical left-wing organization whose own symbol should be the hammer and sickle," said Mike Antonovich (search), one of five Los Angeles County supervisors. "They are using pressure tactics trying to rewrite history."
Some local officials argue that the cross simply reflects history. The ACLU says that shouldn't matter because some members of the public find it offensive.
The county has asked its lawyers for a legal opinion on whether to fight the ACLU.
The county capitulated and removed the seal.