For that matter, have they noticed that huge ball of fire in the sky?
Originally Posted by marv
Oh, you will. :biggrin-new:
Originally Posted by Novaheart
Right, because consensus in science means nothing. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by Novaheart
What matters is how the consensus is arrived at.
Originally Posted by Rockntractor
We have a theory on what is causing the planet to warm so rapidly and lots of evidence to support that theory. Let me know when your side publishes the theory that increasing CO2 has no effect on climate and then we can sit around and wait for when it gains widespread support in the scientific community... which will be never.
Originally Posted by Odysseus
You had better get with your handlers, the climate change people are getting ready to shift into reverse, they are now spouting that C02 is causing the planet to cool, your religion/scam is evolving. Praise be to Al Gore! Amen
Originally Posted by The Night Owl
Earth is Cooling…No It’s Warming
In 1967 Hansen went to work for NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, in New York City, where he continued his research on planetary problems. Around 1970, some scientists suspected Earth was entering a period of global cooling. Decades prior, the brilliant Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovitch had explained how our world warms and cools on roughly 100,000-year cycles due to its slowly changing position relative to the Sun. Milankovitch’s theory suggested Earth should be just beginning to head into its next ice age cycle. The surface temperature data gathered by Mitchell seemed to agree; the record showed that Earth experienced a period of cooling (by about 0.3°C) from 1940 through 1970. Of course, Mitchell was only collecting data over a fraction of the Northern Hemisphere—from 20 to 90 degrees North latitude. Still, the result drew public attention and a number of speculative articles about Earth’s coming ice age appeared in newspapers and magazines.
Al Gore (praise be his name)will see new vision of earth cooling soon, cool crisp dollar bills soon flowing his way, blessed be the name of Al Gore.
NASA Says Climate Shifting
to Cooler Temperatures
(This is a major admission by NASA)
By Phil Brennan
1 May 08 – “The allegedly warming earth is in for about 30 years of cooling according to NASA, one of the leading global warming theory advocates.
“NASA has confirmed that a developing natural climate pattern will likely result in much colder temperatures, according to Marc Shepherd, writing in the April 30 American Thinker. He adds that NASA was also quick to point out that such natural phenomena should not confuse the issue of manmade greenhouse gas induced global warming which apparently will be going on behind the scenes while our teeth are chattering from a decade and a half long cold spell.
"A cool-water anomaly known as La Niña occupied the tropical Pacific Ocean throughout 2007 and early 2008. In April 2008, scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory announced that while the La Niña was weakening, the Pacific decadal Oscillation – a larger-scale, Slower-cycling ocean pattern – had shifted to its cool phase."
“Notes Shepherd "This shift in the PDO, which could last for 20 or 30 years, can have significant implications for global climate."
“Warns meteorologist Anthony Watts: "Look out California agriculture. The wine industry, fruits and nut growers will be hit with a shorter growing season and more threats of frost, among other things."
“Watts warns that California's agriculture, which experienced "unprecedented growth" during the past warm phase, may now be in serious trouble as things cool down:
“Notes Shepherd "Recently lower global temps, likely caused by the late start of Solar Cycle 24, already have some greenhouse gassers nervous - particularly amid speculation of a possible impending 'little ice age.'
"But surely," he says, "a 30 year protracted naturally-explainable cooling period concurrent with rising atmospheric CO2 levels would forever cool the public's receptiveness to global warming alarmism. No problem – our ever panicking friends at NASA have that angle covered, too."
“Says NASA: "Natural, large-scale climate patterns like the PDO and El Niño-La Niña are superimposed on global warming caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases and landscape changes like deforestation. According to Josh Willis, JPL oceanographer and climate scientist, ‘These natural climate phenomena can sometimes hide global warming caused by human activities. Or they can have the opposite effect of accentuating it.'"
“In other words, CO2 is secretly warming the planet. Or not.”
Considering how strongly NASA’s James Hansen has been pushing
global warming,, this is a major admission. I wonder how long it will
take for NASA to admit that we could even possibly, maybe,
conceivably, be headed into an ice age
See entire article by Phillip Brennan:
Good grief. The Branch Algorians are restless again. Someone needs to burn down their compound again.
They need to all cut off their balls off and hitch a ride with the may 31'st asteroid and head to the planet Optimum where it is room temperature all year round.
Originally Posted by Adam Wood
There is no such thing as a "consensus" in science (speaking as one who knows).........theories and postulations abound, but just because a "group" supports a theory doesn't make it correct, particularly when there is millions in grant money around from the leftist totalitarians who attempt to utilize AGW hysteria to control large portions of the worlds economy.........grant money keeps the AGW myth alive, and occasionally along will come another "study" that is full of gloom and doom.
Originally Posted by The Night Owl
AGW is all about politics (not science), and control over huge portions of the world's resources......including establishing "carbon taxes". Has anyone noticed that all of the AGW supporters come from the left politically (including governments and the UN)? Has anyone EVER heard of a conservative government supporting this concept? I wonder why??? Could it possibly be about "control" and "wealth redistribution" on a global scale.......(one has to read between the lines for the base motives).
Fortunately over the past five years or so enough of this crap has been debunked, proven wrong, and outright fraud committed, that the public no longer really gives a shit...........the alarmists have cried "wolf" far too many times for anyone to care..........except for you.......
Since this is TNO's "religion", perhaps this thread should be moved to the religion forum, as it has no place in a scientific discussion.
Take your "hocky stick", and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, we're not buying it any longer........