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    " thermobaric weapons: Aluminum Dust fuel/air missiles !"

    British forces in Afghanistan have used one of the world’s most deadly and controversial missiles to fight the Taliban.

    Apache attack helicopters have fired the thermobaric weapons against fighters in buildings and caves, to create a pressure wave which sucks the air out of victims, shreds their internal organs and crushes their bodies.

    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has admitted to the use of the weapons, condemned by human rights groups as “brutal”, on several occasions, including against a cave complex.

    The use of the Hellfire AGM-114N weapons has been deemed so successful they will now be fired from RAF Reaper unmanned drones controlled by “pilots” at Creech air force base in Nevada, an MoD spokesman added.

    Thermobaric weapons, or vacuum bombs, were first combat-tested by the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s and their use by Russia against civilians in Chechnya in the 1990s was condemned worldwide.

    The secret decision to buy the Hellfire AGM-114N missiles was made earlier this year following problems attacking Taliban fortified positions.

    British Apache pilots complained that standard Hellfire antitank missiles were going straight through buildings and out of the other side. Even when they did explode, there were limited casualties among the Taliban inside, particularly when a building contained a number of rooms.

    American Apache pilots overcame the problem in Iraq with the thermobaric Hellfire.

    The weapons are so controversial that MoD weapons and legal experts spent 18 months debating whether British troops could use them without breaking international law.

    Eventually, they decided to get round the ethical problems by redefining the weapons.

    “We no longer accept the term thermobaric [for the AGM-114N] as there is no internationally agreed definition,” said an MoD spokesman. “We call it an enhanced blast weapon.”

    The redefinition has allowed British forces to use the weapons legally, but is undermined by the publicity of their manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, which markets them as thermobaric.

    When the American military bought them in 2005, President George W Bush said: “There are going to be some awfully surprised terrorists when the thermobaric Hellfire comes knocking.”

    Despite the Bush rhetoric, it is unlikely anyone targeted by the missile would know much about it. The laser-guided missile has a warhead packed with fluorinated aluminium powder surrounding a small charge.

    When it hits the target, the charge disperses the aluminium powder throughout the target building. The cloud then ignites, causing a massive secondary blast that tears throughout any enclosed space.


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    Kewl!

    The things sound pretty efficient.
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    It's not the vacuum that does the damage, it's the overpressure.

    In an enclosed space these warheads create over 100 psi overpressure.

    To put in context, remember the nuclear bomb films where buildings are flying apart. That was about 12 psi overpressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubs View Post
    It's not the vacuum that does the damage, it's the overpressure.

    In an enclosed space these warheads create over 100 psi overpressure.

    To put in context, remember the nuclear bomb films where buildings are flying apart. That was about 12 psi overpressure.
    When the aluminum dust first ignites it sucks out the air from any enclosed spaces to the blast and after the blast the expanding shock waves does the damage !Something like sucking the air out of a sealed container to make it fill faster !
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    Thermobaric weapons

    In confined spaces, transition to full detonation is not required for enhanced blast, if the solid fuel is ignited early in the dispersion process. A series of reflective shock waves generated by the detonation mixes the hot detonation gasses with metal particles and compresses the metal particles at the same time. These actions provide the chemical kinetic support to maintain a hot environment, causing more metal to ignite and burn. This late time metal combustion process produces a significant pressure rise over a longer time duration (10–50 msec). This is a phase generally referred to as after burning or late-time impulse which can occur outside of where the detonation occurred, resulting in more widespread damage.[2] This is known as an aerobic reaction and draws in all of the unburnt fuel and atmospheric air, and creates a vacuum in the detonation environment.

    Slow motion of a fuel-air explosion

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9xCgNdZPKk
    Air dropped liquid fuel/air bomb !
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGVT4OTm31E&NR=1

    But the BLU-118/B 2,000-pound bunker-busting bombshell takes the fuel-air bomb to the next level.

    First, the warhead is encased in a 2,000-pound bunker-busting bombshell. Rather than exploding over a widespread area above ground, the BLU-118/B penetrates deep into the ground, through concrete barriers, and then ignites everything inside. "The bomb can be delivered by an F-15 or a B-52 or even a B-2. It's a free-falling smart bomb, guided by a laser either from another plane or from the ground and either dropped on top of a cave or in its mouth, depending on the surrounding territory--ideally you want to drop it at the mouth of the cave."

    THE DAISY CUTTER BOMB
    Largest Conventional Bomb in Existence...(there is nothing conventional about this one !)

    (She is making this into an Anti Personel device its not .It was designed to clear a helecopter landing pad in the thick jungle not to kill enemy troops !)

    It is big and destructive. To be exact, the Daisy Cutter bomb weighs in at 15,000 pounds and destroys anything in a 600-yard radius. First used during the Vietnam War, these huge bombs have since been employed in the Gulf War and most recently in Afghanistan. Although the “Daisy Cutter” bomb is not a nuclear weapon, its use in battle has caused controversy because of its terrifying and utterly destructive nature.

    AWESOME SIZE AND TERRIFYING POWER
    The BLU-82B or “Daisy Cutter” is the largest conventional bomb in existence and is 17 feet long and 5 feet in diameter, about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle but much heavier. It contains 12,600 pounds of GX slurry (ammonium nitrate, aluminum powder, and polystyrene), and is so bulky that it cannot even be launched in a conventional method. To put that in context, the ammonium nitrate in just one Daisy Cutter bomb is about six times the amount used in the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. Although the blast from this bomb is extremely lethal, it still has less than a thousandth the destructive power of the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima.

    Because of the cumbersome size of the Daisy Cutter and its deadly results, it must be uniquely deployed and detonated. It is launched on a delivery trolley and forced out the back of a C-130 cargo plane. The plane itself must be at least 6,000 feet off the ground to avoid the bomb’s massive shock wave. Once clear of the plane, the Daisy Cutter releases its own parachute. Attached to one end of the bomb is a three-foot long conical probe. When this probe touches the ground the bomb is detonated. Because the bomb is detonated before the majority of it hits the ground basically no crater results. However, the bomb still inflicts heavy damage, generating pressures in excess of 1,000 pounds per square inch near the point of impact, and the shock waves can be felt miles away.
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    Don't care if it's caused by the sweat off a brama's balls: non-issue. It kills - that's all that's important.
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    Don't care if it's caused by the sweat off a brama's balls: non-issue. It kills - that's all that's important.
    That is the idea in most war situations I am aware of.BTW is brama a personal friend ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has admitted to the use of the weapons, condemned by human rights groups as “brutal”, on several occasions, including against a cave complex.
    The weapon is effective at killing enemies, of course "human rights" groups are going to oppose its use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    The weapon is effective at killing enemies, of course "human rights" groups are going to oppose its use.

    That's where bragging about it crosses the line into mistake.
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    That's where bragging about it crosses the line into mistake.
    If it saves American or Brit lives use it .The 'bragging' takes the form of a healthy curiosity on how it works not a gloating over dead enemies !
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